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Published Date: 28 June 2008
THE first of 400,000 trees are being planted to form a "green wall" in protest at the fence the US is building along the border between Mexicoand Texas The treeline will eventually stretch for 318 miles.
Coahuila Governor Humberto Moreira Valdes says "our wall is of life, and it competes with shame and hate."


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  • Last Updated: 28 June 2008 1:58 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/06/2008 22:05:23
Back in 1848 when the current borders were established about 5% of all the people who were ethnic Mexican in those days lived in the American side of the border. Today it is about 40%. and 90% of the ones who've come north since 1848 came in the last 35 years. so a very large portion of the Mexican nation has in fact moved north just in recent decades.

The reality is that the Mexican elite in cooperation with the US elite destroyed the Mexican economy during the late 1980's & 1980's thus forcing Mexicans north. first they contracted the money supply dramatically, then they made a trade treaty where heavily subsidized US grain was sold in Mexico without tariffs. The result was they didn't have money in circulation to keep the economy going and 25 million peasants who lived on small plots of land couldn't sell their corn at markets. They flushed their own brown-skinned people north is what they did.

at the same time Americans who go south to live in Mexico are not allowed unless they bring money & a job with them. The Mexicans come north and can seek work freely and buy homes too, the Americans who go south cannot do that. They have laws down in Mexico that prevent Americans from home-ownership even, they have 99-year leases instead. After 99 years the home goes tot he government.

It is the elites of both countries who have conspired against the peoples of both countries.

Today even with all this talk about keeping new Mexican immigrants out, the reality is that the US government is allowing Mexico-based trucking firms with Mexican drivers to take long-haul trucking contracts inside of America. Meaning that Mexican people with a cost-of-living that is 25% of what it is across the border are now able to take American jobs freely, coming north for 2 weeks of driving all over the country and going home for 4 days before doing it all over again. The American drivers are going to be driven down and are already being driven out of business.
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57Nomad,

california 29/06/2008 00:13:36
#1 Wally

Wally said:

"The reality is that the Mexican elite in cooperation with the US elite destroyed the Mexican economy during the late 1980's & 1980's thus forcing Mexicans north."

Wally, the US is a capitalist economy and a growing market is its hallmark. Destroying economies is anathema to capitalists. Capitalists want a vibrant, growing economy driven, and prosperous, well paid workforce. It is much better to have 50,000,000 prosperous customers to the south than cheap stoop labor in the north. It is the quasi-feudal Mexican society that produces the despair that drives them across the border. Give the conspiracy business a rest every once in a while, Wally. The only good thing going for the Mexicans is that they can go from there directly to the US. The US is the salvation of the Mexicans not their enemy. Sheeesh!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 29/06/2008 01:14:26
King Nimrod: you live in a dream-world. its well-documented the Mexican banking system & elite with cooperation from their president Portillo took huge amounts of pesos out of the country and then devalued massively their currency. This caused their money supply to contract dramatically. This caused a greater economic problem for them than our 1930's depression was. Our 1930's depression though was done the same way, first a great expansion of the money supply, then a great contraction. It also was done on purpose - to bring about political & social change. and then in the 1990s when the US government & mexican government agreed to let the subsidized US grain in (40% of it paid for by taxpayers) it was known in advance this would destroy the livlihoods of huge numbers of mexicans living on small farms. The great migration north was orchestrated by elites from both sides of the border.

you're a nut nimrod. history & facts mean nothing to you. tv shows mean everything. you live in a dream-world.

our nation is horribly dumbed down. We have nimrods everywhere.

and I live in Arizona. Let me tell you - the migration of Mexicans north has permanently changed our state. They are part of our fabric now. It is irreversible. For the first time ever in our history part of our country is becoming bi-lingual. The many mexican immigrants (& their children) are now very prominent in our communities.
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Cynicaltalk,

29/06/2008 16:06:12
I hear Cancun's nice this time of year........
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ElGato,

Washington State 29/06/2008 16:09:39
Without challenging philosophical rantings, living costs in Mexico for Mexicans are at least as expensive as in the US; telephones, food, clothing, electricity, etc. Don't forget-- Mexico has an "Added Value Tax" (IVA) of 18%! Yes, Mexicans suffer from centuries of dysfunctional leadership; there are no simple, easy, and politically acceptable measures, a huge dilemma for both sides of the Border. And the US/Mexico issues are not much changed all across the world, Euro Union providing a great example of failed social engineering policies. With Londonistan and Euroarabia now realities and Italy's concerns with Roma.
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Yucatan Living,

Merida, Mexico 29/06/2008 17:35:42
I would like to point out a few things:

-When an American (or other foreigner) owns property in Mexico, a fideicomiso (99-year RENEWABLE lease) is only required within 30 miles of a border or the coastline. Other property can be owned fee simple. We personally own property both ways.

-A foreigner can also create a Mexican corporation (and pay the appropriate taxes) which can own the property (even within the restricted zone).

-Cost of living in Mexico is NOT at least as expensive as in the US. Some things are, some things are not. Gasoline, for instance, is still under $3 a gallon.

-The IVA tax is 15% , not 18%.

-Cancun is nice this time of year, but the best time of year for visiting this area is between November and March, avoiding the excessive heat and/or hurricane season.

-Arizona, New Mexico, parts of California and Texas all used to BE Mexico. Those areas have always been bicultural and bilingual.

-It seems to me that we all suffer from centuries of dysfunctional leadership.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 29/06/2008 21:33:01
thank-you Yucatan for those points.

all I know is that from what people who've been to mexico tell me is that the Americans are treated very differently in mexico than the Mexicans in America. There seems to be a lot of restrictions on Americans working in mexico, but there has been a huge open door to mexicans working here. and in home ownership - there's a double standard as well.

and I'm certain that truck drivers living south of the border have a huge advantage in a much lower cost of living. The US government is sabotaging the long-haul trucking business for Americans. stupid Americans don't want to know. The US government has engaged in many policies to drive wages down purposely for their own people.

and as to whether Arizona, New Mexico, Texas etc used to be a part of Mexico - they were on maps as part of Mexico, that is true. but the country in those days was pretty wild and nobody had firm control over it. There were very few Mexicans actually living there. Only 5% of the Mexicans then lived in what is now the US. and when the Mexican government tried to collect taxes from them, they were met with rebellion in both Texas & California. and those 2 rebellions were successful. I believe there is no evidence the mexican government actually collected taxes from those regions (at least thats what I read). Many nations claimed that land as their own at different times. In 1848 nobody really controlled it.

The native tribes (about 20 in Arizona) were always hostile to mexico. When the US Army put the Apache & Chiricauha onto trains and shipped them to Florida in the late 1880's that is when the US controlled it. I disapprove of treating those people like that, but it is still a fact.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 29/06/2008 21:38:16
you are correct Yucatan that Arizona & some other places in southwest US have always been bi-lingual & bi-cultural. We have many Americans of Mexican descent whose families have been here for generations and spoken spanish as their first language. believe it or not they have an American spanish with some words different from the Mexicans and a different accent. but today we see a huge difference with a massive migration that has occurred.

today we have the general population being not just strongly encouraged, but even forced to learn spanish. There are schools in Arizona funded by the government where American children from english speaking families are forced to speak spanish as the only language used in the school. there are many employers who will not hire people unless they speak both languages.


 

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