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Double trouble on city's streets



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Published Date: 07 March 2008
IT is a practice which is irritating, selfish, and could even cost a life.
Yet while the city's parking enforcers are quick to pounce on motorists who have over-stayed by minutes or inadvertently strayed on to a yellow line, they are powerless to combat the hardcore band of double- parkers.

Fire crews across the city have been forced to make detours or carry equipment past double-parked cars, adding precious minutes to emergency response times.

Elsewhere, there's a growing problem with carelessly parked vehicles causing congestion, and which forces cyclists out into the middle of the road.

Today, city council chiefs released a list of 20 streets which are among the worst for careless parking as they launched a "Kerb Your Enthusiasm" campaign in a bid to educate motorists about the dangers.

They are also lobbying the Scottish Government for a change in the laws to allow the city's parking attendants to dish out £60 fines to offenders.

Currently, the police have to deal with vehicles which are causing an obstruction, but as officers often have other policing priorities, many go unchecked.

The campaign, which will see thousands of leaflets given to residents and drivers, today won the backing of all of the emergency services, who warned the practice was putting lives at risk. Jim Fraser, a group manager with Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue Service, said lessons still had not been learned from an incident in May 2005, when 18 residents were trapped in a burning building in Waverley Park, near Meadowbank.

Emergency vehicles were delayed on their way to fight the fire when they had to squeeze their vehicles between rows of double-parked cars.

He explained: "That was a really serious fire and the delay meant substantial damage was caused to the building.

"Fortunately there was nobody seriously injured as a result, but people need to realise they are potentially putting lives in danger when they double park.

"It is definitely getting worse across the city and this is increasingly frustrating for firefighters. We have the option of bouncing the cars out of the way but this is both time and labour-intensive."

Peter Connor, head of the Lothian region of the Scottish Ambulance Service, added: "The implications of double parking can be catastrophic if it delays an ambulance en route to a life-threatening call. This is a very important campaign, and hopefully, people will take heed of its message and act accordingly."

According to parking chiefs, Leith, Abbeyhill, Merchiston, Comely Bank and Dalry are among the worst areas for double parking. Double parking or parking on pavements are not specific offences, but police and parking wardens can have unattended vehicles towed away. Drivers must then pay £150 to get their vehicle back.

The driver may also be reported for an obstruction or dangerous parking offence, and the penalties for these offences are a £30 fine and a £60 fine with three penalty points respectively.

Parking attendants can issue tickets to double-parked vehicles if they are parked next to yellow lines, but drivers often successfully appeal against these fines.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "Double parking and parking on pavements is irresponsible and I hope that drivers will learn that from this campaign.

"It can put people's lives at risk as well as costing money when damaged pavements have to be repaired because vehicles have been parked on them."

Parking on pavements can also put people's lives at risk by forcing wheelchair users and prams into the road to get past vehicles.

Faye Gatenby, of Capability Scotland, said: "It is often difficult for people who use wheelchairs.

"Obstacles such as drivers double parking and parking in front of dropped pavements can turn what should be a straightforward trip into a hazardous expedition.

"As a society, it is our responsibility to make sure our towns and cities are accessible.

"If we don't, disabled people will be discouraged from using them either for work or leisure and businesses and service providers will lose out on potential customers and employees."

She added: "We hope this campaign will make people think about the impact their actions could have on other people in the city and will encourage everyone to be more considerate when they are parking their cars."

In London, police have passed responsibility for dealing with double parking to councils.

It is understood that informal talks have been taking place between the city council and Holyrood over the last two years, but the Government today revealed it was still waiting for a formal approach on the matter.

However, a spokesman said they would welcome the "decriminalisation" of double parking, as it would allow the police to concentrate on front line duties.

COURTESY COSTS NOTHING
BEING considerate when parking is just one of many things to remember to be a courteous driver. Organisations across the world have their own views on points of road etiquette, but some advice is echoed across the board.

• Pay extra attention to children and motorbikes.

• Don't tailgate other vehicles.

• Avoid excessive use of the horn, loud music and unnecessary revving of the engine.

• Resist the urge to make gestures at other road users.

Neil Greig, Scottish Policy Manager for the Institute of Advanced Motorists, said: "Respect is a big thing. Drivers should treat other drivers how they would like to be treated."

Edinburgh City Council website


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  • Last Updated: 07 March 2008 11:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Transport policy , Transport
 
1

James (1),

07/03/2008 12:09:17
Money making tip for the council- Get a 24 hour 7 day a week tow truck to go round the city lifting any vehicles that are double parked.
2

mrmoneypenny,

07/03/2008 12:14:09
'but as officers often have other policing priorities, many go unchecked. '

As they are supposed to do it, just say 'policing priorities' and you dont have to do it.

The police do less and less these days.
3

The Judge,

07/03/2008 12:24:16
Currently, the police have to deal with vehicles which are causing an obstruction, but as officers often have other policing priorities, many go unchecked.

How many times have you seen police cars driving passed double parked cars or worse cars parked on the pavement?

4

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 12:36:53
Parking so as to obstruct the road is dangerous and stupid.

However, people wouldn't do it if there was adequate parking in the city.
5

James (1),

07/03/2008 12:39:12
Don't shoot the messenger but for the police to call out a tow truck to lift one car could mean that police officer has to WAIT by the car for up to one hour because that is how long it could take to get the vehicle lifted.
Priorities!
6

rabmataz,

07/03/2008 12:40:56
#4 - parking space is finite, cars numbers are infinite. the solution is to get rid of the cars.
7

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 07/03/2008 12:46:33
#5, #6 - some sense, thank goodness.
8

JT,

07/03/2008 12:47:55
Where I live in Gorgie its a nightmare and I dont even have a car, however the cars just either double park or park on the pavements. There is a wider pavement at the bottom of our road and the most cars I have seen is 4 parked completely blocking the whole of the pavement. Also last year when my partner took ill with chest pains someone had the barefaced cheek of beeping their horn at the emergency response car and then blocking the way of the ambulance. It was only by luck that it wasnt critical but at the time we didnt know that. I just hope that something never happens to the selfish pratts who do this.
9

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

07/03/2008 12:48:17
"Car numbers are infinite"? I don't think so. I think what you mean is that there are a lot more people than cars.

The cost of parking in Edinburgh needs to be doubled, or even trebled, while the cost of public transport needs to come down significantly and made more comfortable. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
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07/03/2008 12:51:05
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07/03/2008 12:51:41
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07/03/2008 13:04:25
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betty you can call me al,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:07:59
Inconsiderate parking is not just restricted to those double parkers.

There are those who continually flout the parking regulations in the CPZs and are able to do so due to the regularity of the wardens rounds.

There are those who have a drive (at the expense of an on road parking space) AND continue to park without a permit on the road - effectively taking two spaces for the price of none.

Clamp them...clamp them all!

14

UPR,

outside edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:08:46
#11 - why live so far from your work (or work so far from your home?) Presumably no-one forces you to do this?
15

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:24:33
#10: Rather than towing away the mis-parked cars, simply attach a large helium balloon and float them off to the upper atmosphere. Simple and speedy, although perhaps problematic for passing aeroplanes.
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07/03/2008 13:32:34
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betty you can call me al,

07/03/2008 13:38:37
#14 it's not always easy to find a job close to home.
I live in the city centre and am currently fortunate enough to work here too. This was not always so. If you can walk to work then great.

Would you prefer #11 to stop work and live on benefits?
18

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:40:32
This is yet another example of how selfish the car driver is in Edinburgh, and how lazy the Edinburgh police are. There is a simple way to solve this. Allow emergency service vehicles and buses to force their way pass these illegally parked vehicles. Any damage caused by this action is at the expense of the car driver who caused the problem. Force the police to enforce the law. Arrest any offender, subject to a very long jail sentence, and a life long driving ban. Confiscate the vehicle. Unfortunately until the lazy, idle police force enforce the law, we will have folk dying due to ambulances and fire engines unable to gain access. If this is the case - relatives of victims should be able to sue the chief constable for his failing to carry out his duties.
19

Diana,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:41:08
#14 - What fantasy world are you living in? People take the jobs that are available or are offered them. Would you rather he were on benefits to avoid driving the 30 miles to work?
20

Salvatori,

07/03/2008 13:51:43
12 - or maybe they're just people who can't get parked in the area they live - perhaps not helped by the fact the council give out way more parking permits to car owners than actually exist, and that non-permit holding car owners taking up permit-holders spaces at night - which of course they are currently entitled to do.
21

Bill MacD,

07/03/2008 13:56:31
Lock these selfish gits up.
22

Hibernia,

07/03/2008 13:57:11
#14 are you for real with a comment like that - also notice it has your location outside Edinburgh would you care to tell us where you stay and how far away from your work you live???
23

James (1),

07/03/2008 13:59:53
#18 you've stopped your medication! I can tell! How? Its the way you rant on that is the give away!
24

Hibernia,

07/03/2008 14:04:26
Where I stay at the Gyle area of Edinburgh is becoming a nightmare. It was bad and then the coonsul painted double yellows on the corners etc to make the roads slightly clearer until the clowns from the local offices started parking right opposite each other.

This has meant getting in our out of our own area well without the town centre is becoming a pain in the neck - add that too all the digging up of roads etc for tram works too and its almost unbearable at times.
25

GorgieRepublic,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 14:05:23
The police aren't just busy with other duties the fact is they are too bloody lazy to take action - I regularly see double parked cars and sods who think it is okay to park on the zig-zags of crossings. Police in cars and on foot go past, look at them then wander on - they don't even so much as tell the driver to move let alone book them. Result is these ignorant and inconsiderate scunners think great, the police don't care so I'll just keep doing it. Others see them doing it and getting away with it so brazenly and think the heck with it and do the same. If a police officer watches someone parking on crossings, corners, double parking etc and doesn't even bother to talk to them about it how can we expect to stop it? And what the hell are we paying those officers for?
26

Hibernia,

07/03/2008 14:07:48
#18 I may be wrong but I am sure I read somewhere in the event of an emergency that the likes of the Fire Brigade can force their way past cars by bashing them to attend an emergency however I am not sure about Ambulances........

If the person got their car damaged because of a fire engine doing so then it serves them right for parking irresponsibly.
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07/03/2008 14:33:14
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BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909)wizthere26April1902,

07/03/2008 14:37:10
Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader,...are you shi!ttin me?
29

rabmataz,

07/03/2008 14:54:04
#11 - Foo,

car numbers are technically infinite as production continues unabate. there is no end in sight ergo infinite.
30

ednbru,

07/03/2008 14:54:07
Put one of these "Police Aware" signs on the car, that should do it. Like the one they put on a car at a roundabout at Straiton, the car lay there for about 4 days, until some unsuspecting motorist plowed into the back of it. Never did hear what happened to the occupants.
31

RickL,

07/03/2008 15:06:41
This must rank as one of the pointless things that time and so money has been spent on in recent times.

People already know it is selfish and dangerous to double park or park up on pavements etc so telling them so is absurd. Won't make any difference at all.

When it comes to cars and hence parking, speeding, using mobile phones etc people seem to think they are both above the law and immortal. No-one ever thinks they will cause an accident or be involved in an accident or that their parking will cause an inconvenience.
32

MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 07/03/2008 15:07:37
I'd love to come and live in your world, no. 14.

What a nice place to be!

Plenty of suitable housing that your wage actually pays for and near to work as well?

Sign me up!

33

Buggalugs,

07/03/2008 15:09:27
Instead of police enforcing the regulations, we should have gangs of wee neds who can be driven around in a mini-bus and set loose on all the cars illegally parked. They could scratch, hack and slash till their heart's content then be driven to the next trouble spot. I can guarantee the numpties that double park or illegally park wont be doing that again in a hurry. when the mororist complains to the police they can be told that that's what they get for breaking the law and to add insult to injury, be fined and have access to an insurance claim as it would be deemed their fault that their car ended up this way - after all it was being used to commit a crime.
MMWAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
34

Buggalugs,

07/03/2008 15:10:40
I meant NO access to an insurance claim...
35

Toast,

07/03/2008 15:49:16
The police could go around at quiet times ie.6am and ticket the selfish gits,bit like hard work though I suppose
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07/03/2008 16:04:46
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Embra boy,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 16:08:24
Neither myself nor the Tesco delivery man is prepared to carry my groceries from a convenient parking place half a mile away. Consequently, we double park on the street whilst unloading.

I wouldn't however lock the car and walk away whilst it was double parked.
38

rabmataz,

07/03/2008 16:14:54
Foo, once we start our intergalactic exploration programme, we'll be able to exploit all the resources on every available planet.As the universe is, in theory, infinite; we'll have infinite resources to build infinite cars. Technically.
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07/03/2008 16:23:08
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rabmataz,

07/03/2008 16:25:52
Foo - cool, do we get jet packs?
41

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 16:59:16
#6:

No. The solution is to build multi-storey and underground carparks within the city and encourage people to use them rather than leaving their cars out on the street.

All those of you who are posting anti car statements are really so short-sighted.
42

jdships,

07/03/2008 17:54:12
!4
Your sheer arrogance beggars belief

How do you know "Foo's" circumstaces ?
A wee apology perhaps - no?
43

niddrienutters,

Waiting for someone to do something! 07/03/2008 18:43:24
Too many cars for too little road space! The City Development's dismal and ridiculous track record managing the parking in Edinburgh should have already resulted in the dismissal of the three Traffic Management officers in CD (and we all know who you are boys).



The police are very clear thats its illegal to park on the pavements and yet with out enough road/parkingspace elsewhere could our men from the ministry please tell us what the options are?



Perhaps if everyone in the city paid for a parking space it as you do in the CPZs then it helps eliminate those easy riders coming into the city wanting a free space. The whole city should be one CPZ.



For us poor sods living in areas on the edge of the recently extended CPZs we are now living in the real 'park and ride' car parks fighting with dangerously parked cars and blocked roads everyday.



Astonishingly according to the three stooges in City Development democracy is more important than road safety even when lives are at stake apparently?



To Cllr Wheeler - your fellow Lib Dem cllrs around the city seem like bunnies caught in the headlights on this matter and point blank refuse to engage with residents in any meaningful way. So if you want us to take note of what you say stop the platituinous rhetoric and get on and do something as it seems the officers are in charge not our elected members?

Rather than spend large sums of our own council tax cash on asking if we want betting parking management perhaps they could just get on and do it.....doh!
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07/03/2008 18:44:51
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Number 1,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 19:15:50
#44 At last someone with a sensible perspective on this! I know exactly who you mean in City Development I think they are known as 'Chuckle Brothers' as everytime someone asks them to do thier job they laugh at you. In City Development the patients have taken over the asylum it appears!

How many referendums do we need before the Council will do something about the safety of our streets?


46

Wheeler Dealer,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 19:40:37
On which planet is Cllr Wheeler? Does her seriously think asking people nicely will solve the problem? When has that ever worked before when money lies at the root of the problem!

The streets need proper management which requires enforcement and that costs money so why doesnt Cllr Wheeler start doing his job rather than clocking up the column inches in newspapers?
47

lavvyhead,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 20:08:17
#2 I think you will find that the Police actually do more and more these days, population has exploded in Edinburgh with all the immigrants Police numbers have not, also crime has progressed with the times, more travelling criminals, internet crime, sexual offenders.
#3 So you would be quite happy with the Police saying " sorry we are late sir to deal with your housebreaking, assault, we had to deal with 30 double parked cars" I think not
#18 Gorgie Tony - what a complete pr@ck you obviously have not a clue what goes on except in that empty space called you brain.
Its quite simple really - have you ever seen the town on a Sunday during Christmas when the wardens are not working it is complete gridlock, cars parked anywhere with no consideration for others. When the wardens are on then there is a distinct chance you will get a ticket if parked illegally. Let ECS invest in more tow away trucks and watch how many illegally park
48

blackley,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 22:55:51
Get the unemployed onto tow-trucks and let them loose on the miscreants. Charge the sods £200 a pop to get their cars back.
49

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 07/03/2008 23:02:02
do what they do over here put a boot on the wheel cant move car the city tows car away you pay towing plus fine plus any outstanding parking tickets no insurance no car city makes a fortune
50

Mrs Blackley,

Old People's Home 07/03/2008 23:43:06
#49

How does it feel to be a moron son?

Hey I've got a better idea -

Instead of your recomendation to put unemployed people onto tow trucks - how about putting village idiots like you in it instead.
51

Mrs Blackley,

Old People's Home 07/03/2008 23:52:50
It seems like yesterday, when the special hospital bus had to double park, just to drop me off, because there was no spaces.

At least my son took care of it and threw me in a home, so he could get his hands on my house.

 

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