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Published Date: 25 February 2009
THE lack of car parking space is a common complaint for drivers travelling into the city centre.
If a new council study is to be believed, though, motorists merely have to look a bit harder.

New figures show that car parks with up to 1000 spaces are on average two-thirds empty, despite the pressure being put on on-street parking by the city's tram works.

Click here to download the parking map

Six car parks – all within a 15-minute walk of Princes Street and with a combined total of more than 3000 spaces – are included in the study.

One, at Greenside Row, is just a few minutes walk from the city centre shops and costs £2.80 for two hours, less than the nearby on-street parking.

Despite this, the council said the NCP-run facility is only working at about 33 per cent capacity, leaving around 700 spaces unoccupied on a daily basis.

Michael Dixon, spokesman for the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) for Edinburgh, said more work had to be done to promote the underused car parks.

He said: "These figures suggest there's an under-utilisation of available parking and we really need to look at the way the city centre area is marketed so that what parking is available is used and people are not forced to use on-street parking.

"The challenge is for Edinburgh to make itself open for business during the tram construction and the message needs to be put out more clearly that there's good quality parking near the shops."

Council chiefs are currently considering plans for an underground car park below Charlotte Square.

In addition to this, a new owner has also recently been found for a huge city centre car park which has been sitting empty for five years.

The 600-space facility on Morrison Street, which used robots to park and retrieve vehicles, has been gathering dust since its operator went into receivership in 2003.

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said the low occupancy rates of some city centre car parks was the result of improved public transport and concerns over congestion.

He said: "One of the reasons is that the park and ride schemes have been very successful and more people are using train services to get into the city.

"But there is also an anxiety about the tram works and difficulties, perceived or otherwise, in navigating around the city centre because of congestion."

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport convener, claimed there was "ample" parking in the city centre.

He said: "There are over 10,000 spaces, on-street and off, within easy walking distance of the shops and other popular attractions.

"Details of all off-street car parking, and availability of spaces, are publicised widely via variable messaging signs on the approaches to the city centre."


The full article contains 489 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

allknowing,

25/02/2009 12:10:43
"all within a 15-minute walk of "

When i go shopping, i dont want a 15min walk passed roadworks, tram works, beggers and riff-raff. I want to park at the shops, get out of car, and commence shopping.

This is why we moan. If i want to go for a walk, i will take the dog to the beach, otherwise provide parkign where its needed, not 15mins away.

As such, i will stick to shopping centres and out of town complexes.
2

Jamiem,

25/02/2009 12:15:02
But presumably part of the problem is that a lot of people aren't willing to pay £2.80 for two hours parking, even "good quality parking", which is why they choose to shop outside town where parking is free or try to find a free on-street space. I don't think lack of car parking space is the problem as much as the cost of that space. In the centre of Glasgow at Buchanan Galleries, you can park all day on Sunday for £2.
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 25/02/2009 12:17:47
There is no point in building more car park when the existing ones are almost empty,use the ones available and then walk.
4

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 12:18:02
Try parking near the Eye Pavilion.
Are the contractors paying the council for the parking spaces out of use for months at the lower end of Chalmers Street ?
5

TankEngine,

Uphall 25/02/2009 12:20:09
That might be the case thay two-thirds are empty. Who is going to take the chance and drive anywhere near the City Centre to park a car!
6

jackhobbs,

glasgow 25/02/2009 12:21:53
Exactly #2 Who in these 'hard times' wants to spend £2.80 for two hours parking, 15 minutes walking distance for the shops leaving a mere 90 minutes at most for shopping !
Same thing in Glasgow with most people now shopping at either Braehead/Silverburn/Glasgow Fort - cost of parking £0.00 and all the time in the world to shop. Triples all round !!
7

Hmm ...,

25/02/2009 12:28:48
... I think that the "pressure ... on on-street parking" is that there are many fewer spaces since, for instance the buses were re-routed along George Street, the Car Club was allocated a few spaces on it, mid-street parking was restricted by turning spaces at each junction and by the restricted access to and exit from George Street itself.

And this in what was the highest earning street in the UK outside central London!

Next thing we know, the City Council will be moaning about falling parking revenue! And increasing the fee to boost income.

Strange thing about Greenside Row is that, although it is just across Leith Street from the John Lewis car park, I never think of it as "handy"! It must just be that it is an awkward street to cross - in Glasgow, I think of a car park opposite the one I usually use as very convenient and an asset.

Perhaps we just don't like coming into Edinburgh now and see it as hassle. So go elsewhere - like Glasgow!

I blame the City Council's anti-car policies of making obstacles wherever and whenever possible - like diversions for non-existent roadworks!

Perhaps if we scrap the white elephant trams NOW, we will be able to recover Edinburgh's city centre for the residents and shoppers.
8

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 25/02/2009 12:37:47
If they are empty , then I say take them over for the benefit of council workers - they are actually the ones trying to do something for our city .
9

Hibernia,

25/02/2009 12:38:12
Why would anyone want to pay that amount of money to park in the city centre. The selection of shops on Princes Street are poor, the roads getting in and out the centre of Edinburgh are a nightmare so its no wonder added to the price of parking people dont use the carparks when the alternatives such as Ocean Terminal, The Gyle or even going to Livingston are a much better alternative.
10

Ecto,

25/02/2009 12:41:01
Please dont let them build underground car parks this is another folly idea of the tree huggers in the cooncil's transport department. The one planned for Chambers Street delivers about an extra 10 spaces at some rediculous cost (£50 million or something).
11

Ecto,

25/02/2009 12:41:59
#7 absolutley.

12

Jams,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 12:55:41
Hmmm - I am always reaching for my pinch of salt when I read council statistics. For example, does their sample period include Sundays when the majority of these car parks would be nearly empty (especially those hosting car boot sales)?

The travel times to Princes Street are also questionable and would require a rather sprightly rate of progress. 4 minutes from Castle Terrace Car park - when it can take you that long to reach ground level! Or parking at St John's hill when 30 minutes of your 2 hours is spent reaching the east end of princes street.

The whole thing just sounds like a contrived statistical exercise to show how we the public just fail to understand how good we have it. Its not that the town centre is a total mess, its all to do with the way you are looking at it ....... apparently.

13

Wingman,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 12:58:40
'Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said the low occupancy rates of some city centre car parks was the result of improved public transport and concerns over congestion.'

No its nothing to do with the public transport, people are quite simply getting fed up negociating the maze that has become Edinburgh, the anti-car lobby has won and can now rejoice in the quality shopping that has become Central Edinburgh and go from one amusement arcade to the tartan tat shop, followed by a plethora of charity shops and once exhausted can head for a coffee at Harvey larf sorry nicks, me i,ll now stick to one of the many suburban malls, park for free, buy a snack if i want at less than a £10 a sandwich and even stay dry. Princes Street is now deceased as a shopping area, only need to get Slaters to open up in Cameron Toll and its job done.
14

Mr. Borat Sagdiyev,

Kuzcek, Kazakhstan 25/02/2009 13:10:44
As has been stated, the problem is not the availability of parking, it is the extortionate COST of parking.

Of course, any level of logic or care for the city's inhabitants is beyond this ignorant, arrogant, leeching council.

It is all very well Bungling Phil stating that there is "ample" parking, but that's not any good is it, if nobody can afford it.

Let's face it, CEC have killed Edinburgh stone-dead.
15

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 25/02/2009 13:16:09
It doesn’t matter how many parking spaces there are be it in car parks or on-street, some folk will not be happy until such times as they can park at door or in some cases actually in the shop itself. This forget Edinburgh I’m off to Glasgow or Livingston is fine as clearly these places have a far better selection of shops but when you get there and get a space it can still be a 10 minute walk to get to the shop you want.
16

Glenda,

blah 25/02/2009 13:19:58
"click here to download the parking map"

Evening News can't even get that right - the map is barely legible due to poor resolution.
17

Bill MacD,

25/02/2009 13:42:11
The idiotic 'allknowing' (1) wants to just get out of his lazy-git machine and walk into a shop. Well, perhaps living in a city of half a million people, even he of the pea-sized brain could work out that's not actually possible for everyone.

So many of the brain-dead idiots commenting on this site seem incapable of thinking one inch beyond their own self-interests. One expects that of two year olds. But it's sad when adults are so woefully stupid.
18

Dragonlord,

25/02/2009 13:43:24
Why are the council suggesting congestion charging and going ahead with the tram works, BEFORE the park and ride scheme is fully up and running? The park and ride scheme appears to be working well, and there are ussually lots of cars parked in them, so why waste so much money before finding out how this would effect the towns traffic problems?
19

Think Tank,

25/02/2009 13:49:37
I often use the Greenside carpark and it's always relatively empty, even on Saturday afternoon.

Poster 1 however sums up the attitude of the moaning, obese and lazy population of Edinburgh. You can park within minutes of the shops, but this is considered too far a walk for many inbreds.


20

Hibernia,

25/02/2009 13:50:19
#18 your quite free and easy with your insults of people on here.
21

Pongo,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 13:55:12
The numpties in the previous Labour controlled council spent 20 years harassing motorists in Edinburgh with outragous parking charges and the threat of parking tickets. Who in their right mind would want to spend good money trying to relax in the city centre over a lunch then have to rush round the shops with the prospect of a £30 parking fine for returning to you car 10 minutes late?
Numpties rule - OK!
22

La5t_minit,

25/02/2009 14:04:36
Does Edinburgh still have shops to go to?.

With all the news about traffic jams, tram works and the credit crunch over the last few months, I thought Edinburgh had closed so it could be moved to the outskirts of Livingston.

Freeport leisure village in West Lothian currently has a vast array of empty shops that could be utilised by retailers from Princes Street. They'd get more custom out there too... No trams, traffic problems or parking charges to worry about. you would however have the worry of how many wheels would be left on yoru car when you got back to it.
23

Angus R,

25/02/2009 14:07:20
#22 errr when parking car, check ticket to see what time it runs out and be back at car for that time. It's no that difficult a procedure that you should be 10 mins late!!

i bet your the sort that moans about getting a ticket for parking on double yellow lines cos you only left it for '10 mins' - to heck with all the folk you inconvenience whilst parked there though!!
24

Statsman,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 14:35:37
Parking was about 80p an hour for the private car parks in 1997. Then the council started escalating the on-street parking charges at a ridiculous rate. The private car parks followed suit. They all seem to charge for up to two hours now (instead of one) and make you pay around £3 for it.

They have everyone by the balls because it is too easy to get fined if you park on an on-street council space.

This is what happens when you have a lunatic Beggite fringe controlling transport policy in the city.
25

Pongo,

25/02/2009 14:43:16
No 25. Never have and never will park on double yellow lines. I am simply making the point a little leeway goes a long way. The level of fine is simply out of proportion to the so called 'crime' and some of the parking restrictions are ludicrous. Why, for instance, is there a 4 hour restriction on parking outside the botanics and Inverleith park during the week?
26

blackcat5555,

edinburgh 25/02/2009 15:15:38
Edinburgh council have been anti car for the last
50 years or longer, tram works dont help, For the
cost of Parking a car, I can get a day saver bus ticket
for £3 for the whole day, but if the council dont
want cars in the city centre, then they will drive
away customers for the few shops that exist in princes
st.If you stuck take the train its not cheap but
quicker than the bus. Scrap the tram project.


27

Incandescent,

25/02/2009 16:41:11
#18 Bill MacD

"idiotic, pea- sized brain, lazy-git machine, incapable of thinking, self-interests, wooefully stupid"?

Strong stuff indeed. But I think it's your use of the pejorative "brain-dead idiots" that best reveals your true identity. Jenny.
28

wolfette,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 18:35:15
"all within a 15 minute walk of Princes Street"

I don't want to walk 15 minutes to get somewhere - I want to get on a bus at the end of my street and get off ON Princes Street like I usually do.

29

Goat Boy,

25/02/2009 18:52:01
Too many conflicting messages from the Council!

Bring your cars! We want you to spend your money in the city! Plenty of parking. If you want people to bring their cars in the city, then get rid of the ridiculous bus lanes. They are a failed experiment. They simply create congestion in places where there wasn’t any before.

Then we’re told Don't bring your cars! Controlled parking zones. Park and Rides. Bus lanes. The Tram. Too much pollution. Climate change. Congestion. Lost business etc.

Which one is it?
30

edinburgh_rip_off,

25/02/2009 18:53:28
well said #7 !! i wouldnt shop there ,thank f... i dont live there anymore and a pity i still have to work there(for the nhs and we dont get any parking and on our wages we cant afford paying hence the people of the city are losing nhs staff also !!) but hey the council is so anti car what the hell it will soon be only full of tourists as people avoid the city.
31

Anecdotal,

Edinburgh 25/02/2009 20:36:57
It is the cost of parking in car parks and on the street that are so high that is influencing car driving shoppers or people going to cinemas. I can go to the cinema at Fountain Park and get free parking. Going to the cinema complex opposite John Lewis cost me (last time cinema only) £6+! Guess where I will go to the cinema in future!
32

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/02/2009 22:02:31
drive.in.stores.thats.what.they.want
33

krusty the klown,

25/02/2009 23:35:09
imagine - a 15 minute walk! - just deplorable, think of all the wasted calories wasted
34

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edinburgh 14/04/2009 15:46:29
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