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Published Date: 27 June 2009
WAR veterans in Edinburgh are furious after they say they were snubbed by the organisers of today's Armed Forces Day celebrations in the Capital.
Members of The Royal Naval Association, the Royal Marines Association and the Parachute Regimental Association based in the city said they were not invited to the parade, and only discovered it was taking place by chance.

They said around 500 members across the three associations would have been keen to proudly

march in today's parade – which will bring thousands of Scottish soldiers and veterans together – but due to the short notice, only a handful from each group will take part.

And of the 150 members across the three branches of the Royal Naval Association – in Edinburgh, West Lothian and Rosyth – only ten people will take part in today's parade.

Davie Ritchie, 71, a member of the Parachute Regimental Association, said: "We have put a lot of service into the regiment but when it comes to the Armed Forces Day parade, we weren't made aware of it. We feel left out in the cold."

The event, which was organised by the city council with a £10,000 grant from the Ministry of Defence, will see more than 2,000 soldiers and veterans gathering on Edinburgh Castle Esplanade to take part in a parade.

Similar celebrations are taking place in cities across the UK.

Kenneth Kerr, a senior officer of the Royal Naval Association, said the Edinburgh branch was not made aware of any of the events.

He said: "If it had been properly advertised, then for a day like that every organisation would have done its damndest to get every member on parade. I would say about 500 from the three associations would have been on parade."

Several associations gathered a petition of around 300 veterans' signatures last year, asking for the council to keep a register of organisations' details. But Mr Kerr said this had been "ignored".

He added: "The Royal Naval Association is thinking 'is it worthwhile going or not?'. We have fought for our country but we are just thinking that nobody really cares, so why show up? The veterans are thinking that the council has no time for them and that they just wave you aside."

Secretary of the Edinburgh branch of the Royal Marines Commando Association, Jackie Moyers, 60, said from more than 30 members, only five will attend the parade.

He added: "We have got World War Two veterans in the Edinburgh branch and we have received no invitation whatsoever to come along to this. A lot of our members are going to Spean Bridge near Fort William for another parade on the same day, but if we had known about this event a lot of the older veterans would have liked to come.

"I feel let down and hurt that our branch has been left out."

A spokeswoman for the MoD said military and veterans' associations were contacted by the MoD's Armed Forces Day team several months ago to inform them of the event, and they were asked to register their interest on the Armed Forces Day website.

She added: "If that message hasn't gone down to the regional branches of organisations, then that's the responsibility of the headquarters of the organisations. There has clearly been some problem with communication within the organisation."

A council spokeswoman said: "The council extended an invitation to its partnership bodies, asking them to disseminate the information to their various membership networks."

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  • Last Updated: 27 June 2009 10:15 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: British armed forces
 
1

Old Town,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 11:57:55
I find it unusual that These groups did not know when Armed Forces Day was or even check the Armed Forces Web Site which give a link to Events Edinburgh Web Site and all details of what is taken place in Edinburgh.

True to say that there was no mention on the City of Edinburgh Web Site as normal, nor in the Edinburgh Evening News but they manage to promote the LGBT march which is on the same day.

Someone needs to get a serious grip of what this council is doing to promote this event.
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 27/06/2009 11:57:56
All our armed forces do a great job but,to snub these vets is a kick in the teeth,be ashamed of what you have done to these brave men.
3

Mik Wilso,

27/06/2009 11:59:39
Of course none of the councillors have the b@lls to fight for their country - too busy lining their own pockets.

It says something when the Council took the money and never asked what the associations in their districts were.

Pocket-lining troughers one and all councillors.
4

Alice in Embraland,

27/06/2009 12:04:44
#3 - Good point. Does anyone know of a current politician who has served in a real conflict? New Labour have been keen enough to start wars, but have any of them ever put their own lives at risk for their country?
5

Mallory,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:07:23
Some of us do remember and appreciate your efforts and sacrifices.
6

Old Town,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:08:10
The event, which was organized by the city council with a £10,000 grant from the Ministry of Defence, will see more than 2,000 soldiers and veterans gathering on Edinburgh Castle Esplanade to take part in a parade.

Wonder what they are doing with the money? I know there will be a tea Party!! After the march I think most of us will enjoy a few pints in some pup.
7

Old Town,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:09:52
#4 only know of one but that was back in 1976 when he was my platoon commander but I don't think that should count
8

Old Town,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:11:43
A council spokeswoman said: "The council extended an invitation to its partnership bodies, asking them to disseminate the information to their various membership networks."

Well done delegation that did not work
9

little hitlers,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 12:18:09
This is so typical of Edinburgh Council the scottish gov ought to look in to how citizens in Edinburgh are treated by them .They treat us with contempt sitting in their high offices taking a big wage for doing nothing.They should account for all monies spent and refund the rest to the mod but that wont happen will it.they look after themselves alright.
10

Wassup,

27/06/2009 13:02:50
I am a veteran and I have been looking at the council's website and reading the Evening News to see if there is anything on in the city for today. This is the first sight.

Politicians, other than some conservatives, are known to not like servicemen at all.
11

Wassup,

27/06/2009 13:04:23
Gorgie Tony - don't be such a prat. Veterans Marches come much higher up the pole than Gay Pride. Fact. If you don't like it move to Fire Island.
12

Pugilistic pragmatist,

Reality City 27/06/2009 13:15:51
What complete and utter tosh.
This event is not I repeat not organised by The Coonsil
It is an MOD day facilitated by the Coonsil.Do people really believe the Coonsil would handle the invitations to an Armed forces Parade.
ffs What are these Journalists up to?
13

Wingman,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 13:57:25
14# If there is ever a prize for the most annoying, argumentitive commentor on this site i say give the award to Gorgie-Tony, he manages to P*** off just about everybody. He mentioned it because it was mentioned and this was not , End off . But no doubt somewhere deep inside you can read homophobe into it and get back on your soap box to spout the nonsense for which you are famed . Now i say Tomato and you say , on you go the house is empty, fill yer boots...
14

Mik Wilso,

27/06/2009 14:04:50
#12 don't bother answering G_T. He is a 100% TW@t. Of course if he had the ball to volunteer for his country instead of being a slave to the labour party he would know that all men who serve put their comrades before themselves.

Let' hope that one of those cars he hates gets him on Gorgie Road one day and he has to spout his rubbish through one of those terminals in RIE costing is coward's ariss a fortune.
15

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27/06/2009 14:17:42
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gordon aka smoker and proud,

27/06/2009 14:19:47
so*
I*
coppers*
alcohol*
am so mad i am typing bad! keyboard nearly broken!
17

Stuart_,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 14:20:58
It's poor journalism to say "nobody cares". It's clear these organisations' head offices don't care about their own members. Can't blame the man in the street for the council for this one.

If I'm organising an event (that just so happens to be in Edinburgh), I handle the invites. Not the council.
18

Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 14:49:28
Am I the only one on this site who would like to seal Tony and gordon into a tram and let them scratch each other's eyes out? The tram could be buried in a big hole as a time capsule for future generations to marvel at the bigotry and stupidity of Edinburghers in the early 21st century.
19

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 15:11:15
#20
by your own words

Am I the only one on this site who would like to seal Tony and gordon into a tram and let them scratch each other's eyes out? The tram could be buried in a big hole as a time capsule for future generations to marvel at the bigotry and stupidity of Edinburghers in the early 21st century

just incase you didnt read it
that is so rich and fruitful to all sensible numpties chocolate tube bandits...but to the "real" people of edinburgh/scotland/great britain, we OWE these people a debt that we can never repay but you use the words bigotry and by your own wording prove that you prefer violence in the streets and inane comments to satisfy your own end.
please get a life, get into realalism and just for 1 minute let your lonely brain cell settle and think! woofters or veterans, whats the real deal here?
20

Statsman,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 15:27:54
"Several associations gathered a petition of around 300 veterans' signatures last year, asking for the council to keep a register of organisations' details. But Mr Kerr said this had been "ignored"."

You don't seriously believe the council are there to serve the public? I mean, come on!
21

Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 15:44:21
22
You obviously cannot see what a bigot you are, but it is as clear as day to everyone else. You are hysterically obsessed with describing the private behaviour of consenting adults that is legal and none of your business. If you think it is your business, then you should remove yourself to some totalitarian state that persecutes individuals in accordance with your ignorant prejudices.

Personally, I find such acts distasteful, but as I am free to choose not to perform them, it is a non issue. Some people are gay - get over it!

P.S. I am a veteran and my son is in the Army. What have you done for your country that did not involve sitting on your backside and complaining?
22

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 15:49:54
24155471
thats my army number!
i am not describing the "private" lives am i?
they are openly mincing about the streets, in public, children are walking in the streets,veterans are walking about, normal people are wanting to go about their daily business, what the hell is bigotted about that? what people do behind closed doors is their business, but i for one do not want pervertion shoved in my face, nor do i want my grandchildren to see it, oh and btw, what was your rank on discharge? and what kind of discharge?
23

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27/06/2009 16:07:10
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Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 16:13:47
25
The gay folk are having a march in (to us) fancy dress. It's as harmless as a Christmas pantomime. There will not be any lewd acts on display. If it's not your thing, go join the Veterans at their parade instead.

Who is shoving anything in your face? By making such hysterical remarks, you're leaving some of us to conclude that "the lady doth protest too much".

Live and let live. You'll live longer yourself if you calm down and stop being a frothy mouthed indignant ranter, even if you do smoke.

Sgt., retd. (exemplary conduct)
25

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:21:39
bulls**t 29, as well you know!
if you were a sgt then your comments would be different! however my rank on discharge was captain, 2 degrees, kneller hall, (exemplary conduct and 7 medals)
easliy checked !
its shoving it my face because if i have to be in a street where they are and they are kissing, holding hands etc i find that offensive! i will smoke, through choice, if people want to be smoke free than i do not have a problem with that, make smoking illegal! simple. but...before you say make it illegal work this equation out, the government take in about £30 a year in unjust tax from tobacco products, what will they tax to cover that deficit?
26

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:22:58
hehehehehehehehe just read my last post......£30?????
hmmmmmmmmm should have read £30m
27

gordon aka smoker and proud,

27/06/2009 16:24:05
what a gay day eh! :-P
28

Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 16:29:19
Tony, it's rare that we are on the same side in an argument!

If you could make your points as honestly as you have here and cut down on the drivel content (e.g. double decker trams) that often fills your posts, you could find that others respect you a little more and don't make the sort of derogatory remarks as I did earlier (and on the tram thread).
29

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:31:08
#33
ermmmmm forgive me for being silly here, but is man and woman, mum and dad, gran and grandad holding hands and kissing not the norm? would you like to see your dad or your son with a member of the same sex doing that in public? i know i know, homophobic.
30

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:32:38
lol lol lol i notice someone reported my post @ #17!!!! uniforms and illegal!
point proven by default!
31

Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 16:42:11
30
HA HA HA HA - GOT YOU! LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!

If you were a captain, gordon, you would have a 6 digit service number, not an 8 digit one like 24155471, as you claim in post 25!!!

And if you had even one degree, never mind two, your use of language, spelling and punctuation would be a whole lot better. No officer I served with ever wrote English so badly.

You are a horrid little piece of envious bigoted low life slime unworthy of further debate. Go away and smoke yourself to death, you cretin!
32

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:43:45
#36
go for it tony, point 1 i am entitled to my opions and what i said in post 17 was absolute truth
point 2 i am expressing a democratic opinion what the verterans fought for
point 3 if you are gay and open then i dont have a problem with that unless you flaunt it in front of my family, ie,grandkids! then homophobic would not be the termonology that would be used!
go get a life, get on your upper deck tram and have fun!
33

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:46:44
#39 i gave my number, i joined in feb 1969, i got 2 degrees in music (yes a bandsman!) at kneller hall and twits like you called me sir, now stop dreaming and get another brain cell to keep the lonely one you got company!
34

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 16:56:42
okays i painted walls this morning and the paint is nearly dry, watching it dry was better than watch certain posts in here, i sit in anticipation waitng for the police, mincing or otherwise coming to my door in response to tony's report, andy murray is coming on so thats me till monday! have fun be happy be normal and dont meet tony incase he kisses you! hehehehehehehe
35

Mik Wilso,

27/06/2009 17:16:55
Actually #39 - you can join as an OR and get an 8 digit number. Then when you are commissioned, you get a 6 digit number.

It is perfectly legal to use your OR number together with your most senior rank and also use your officer's number, again, with most senior rank.

36

Eoo,

27/06/2009 17:17:38
lolwut?! captain gordon? what unit, big boy? the first scumbag bigoteers? no wonder you hate the pride march, there not in step!

*hugs and kisses* xx
37

Mik Wilso,

27/06/2009 17:18:28
In fact when some officers join special forces this is exactly what they do until they are RTU'd and revert to being a rodney.
38

Mik Wilso,

27/06/2009 17:21:21
"If this is the way the British Army encourage their recruits to be homophobic, then we should shun the lot of them. They deserve no respect at all"

Disgusting. If you had any self respect at all, you would ban yourself - you really are a tw@t.
39

Matthew,

27/06/2009 17:36:55
#46, #48 - I don't know whether you are right or not, but #39 is correct about Gordon's lack of grammar. If he is/was an officer, his comments are hardly a credit to Britain's armed forces.

#45 - you should not condemn a whole group because you disagree with one member of it. That is the same arguement Gordon was using on you and it is equally wrong.
40

blackley,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 17:42:18
My dad took his RAF uniform off the day the Second World war ended. Job done - let's get on with life.

Trouble is for some guys the war was the best time of their lives and they won't let us forget it.
41

ianc87,

Durham/Edinburgh 27/06/2009 17:52:45
Well, I was in those 2000 "woofters" as you have so eloquently put it (clearly without resorting to childish name-calling because you don't have the intelligence to be adult about it) gordon that "minced" down the Royal Mile today and I did it not because I'm a big queen, and I wanted to parade myself in public, but because pride is a protest, a point you appear to have completely missed.

Until recently, I did not have half the rights you did. I could not marry the person I loved for instance, I could not have a child. And there are still things that you can do (and presumably take for granted) that I cannot, like give blood, amongst other things. That is why we march, not because we want to, but because we HAVE to. This is a protest, as much as a celebration of who we are.

Oh, and I'm not abnormal. Straight parents in "normal" families only raise straight "normal" children all the time don't they?
42

Old Town,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 18:43:23
#10 Read the comments correctly the LGBT was promoted the Armed forces was not, should they not get equal space or are the LGBT more important? anyway it was a good parade and a great turnout
43

Extra Strong Mince,

27/06/2009 18:47:28
Thanks Tony. I take your side against that homophobic piece of merde gordon and you thank me with a kick in the teeth. Your post 45 was every bit as uninformed and bigoted as gordon's rantings.

FYI, the Army is no better or worse than any other section of society in this regard.

My first post was right. You and gordon deserve each other.
44

tomias,

Edinburgh 27/06/2009 19:00:08
And all those PCs allowed now inuniform. None of whom ever faught but may now be ex service pensioners on excellent money.
Homosexuals ?
A thought. Policepeoples who are gay then uroar.
Masons? Silence silence the brotherhood-gay and straight- all clocked in silence
HYPOCRITS
45

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 19:11:26
i just could'nt resist coming back! hehehehehehe.
#53 well you have the guts to say exactly what you are but! answer me this please, man with man, adopts a child (biologically cant happen (wonders why?)) child is brought up by 2 men, child thinks that sodomy is natural (its still a criminal offence in this country!) so, lets assume that a certain percentage of the human race is like that, where does the next generation come from, considering that it takes a man and a woman to reproduce!
#54 well at least you as well have the guts to say you are a mincer! and for my address, if you are as you say in gorgie then believe me i am spitting distance away from you, but be warned, if you do come outside my house and kiss etc with fellow degenerates then i will pour water over the lot of you! numpties on heat! yuk!
and too all the perfectionists on the use of eloquent diction and use of the english language, use it to those who understand it! use appropriate language where neccessary as in posts on a site that carries no credibilty! therefor ends todays lesson!
have a gay time tony, hope you meet the "big queen" ianc and have a happy life together!
46

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 19:17:49
ooops before the politically edumacated brigade attack me, 3rd line should say, man with man,adopts a child,then in brackets biologically cant happen, what i meant to say is, man with man cannot reproduce so they have to rely on normal hetrosexuals to produce or go to 3rd world countries to adopt, otherwise they are childless! now theres a thought! woooohooooooooooo oooops homophobia setting in again! damn!

47

ianc87,

27/06/2009 19:37:19
I'm not gonna argue with you gordon, because it's clearly a waste of my time.

I can adopt a child in England - are you suggesting that's 3rd world? It is also legal for my partner and I to choose to have a child with a surrogate. But you missed my point about straight parents raising straight children - gay parents would be just as apt at raising straight children as straight parents - otherwise there would be no gay children because if gay parents could only raise gay children - that should mean straight parents would only raise straight children. That doesn't happen. Therefore it's not an argument about whether the child thinks the act is natural or not - it's about letting them discover their sexuality. There's no evidence to suggest that a child with more gay relatives is more likely to be gay.

At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you can take your bigotted views, join an appropriate political party such as the BNP, and round as all up just like some little moustachioed man from Austria tried to do in the 30s and 40s who was defeated by the very veterans you're trying to stand up for and when you youself were in the army - don't you think that that's hypocricy much?
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gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 27/06/2009 20:01:59
#60 ian, i appreciate your comments and understand and accept your sexuality providing you dont shove it in my face, and no i do not have a little tash and i accept what you say about 'england', why cant you do that in scotland? or are scots all bigots? or are they normal? you do your thing but all i said at the outset is that considering the original story here but has been turned, probably by me in a lot of ways, no apology, all i am trying to get across is, the veterans march should have been better publilcised and your parade should not have been centre stage, its called majority against minority! democracy. good luck to you and your partner, i am not in any way stigmitising you for your sexuality, thats your democratic right, but as in everything you have to accept everyones views and opinions. i have made mine clear, but not for total homophobic reasons, my objection is that many many people gave their lives for YOU and me to talk the way we do, live as we do and have the life that we take for granted! all i amsaying,although a bit crudely, is that whatever your lifestyle is then thats your business, i do not flaunt or push my lifestyle on anyone, accept when a story like this appears then i will pass comments.natural eh?
we all have opinions on virtually ever subject in the world, when it appears in the press and you have the ability to post responses then you have got to accept other peoples opinions, no matter how harsh, thats called depth of feeling. sometimes posts can be funny and witty, and a lot of the time posts are a wind up.accept it or leave it alone! i would never ever do any harm to anyone who disagrees with me, more than likely they will be younger,fitter and younger than me lol, its banter, sometimes with a serious side though, no offence meant to you personally ian, just the principle of the original story.
49

fanofthedees,

28/06/2009 00:36:38
After attending both the royal reception at Redford Barracks and the march from the castle to the display and superb entertainment put on by our armed forces etc. Some things are now quite evident;
1 We in Scotland can rightly be proud of our regiments.
2 The state of our capitals streets are a disgrace.
3 The condition of the seating for the entertainment was an embarrassment. Military uniforms ruined, suits ruined and expensive outfits destroyed by a blue substance being ground into the material by the simple act of sitting.

Edinburgh City Council is a disgrace, this day (and the city in general) has been marred by the incompetence of the council and I have no confidence in their ability to improve.

E11R and Scotland’s first minister were present in Edinburgh for the armed forces day celebrations and what to Scotland’s media publish? They spend their column inches on some of Scotland shame disrupting a parade in Glasgow. These bigoted scum do not deserve coverage and the media's continued publicity only serves their limited intellect and agenda.
50

Cabbie,

....in the real world 28/06/2009 10:18:46
This event had nothing to do with the council, apart from supporting the event by flying a flag for the Armed Forces Day and is for serving soldiers in the present not the past. There are plenty of days for veterans. If you all read the papers you would have seen the publicity for he event.

Keith Brown, MSP served in the Falklands with the Marines to answer an earlier question.

51

tumshie heid,

28/06/2009 22:03:40
What is it about ex service personnel? They all seem to live in the past.Parades for this, marches for that. With the exception of ww veterans who had no choice in the matter, the rest of them volunteered to sign up.
We have remembrance day already to commemerate the sacrifices made during war.
Another day is not neccessary. Soldiers and other servicemen are paid to do a job and that should be it.
It is their choice to sign up afterall.
As it stands, the renaming of veterans day to armed forces day is nothing but a cynical ploy by the government to deflect criticism from their disastrous foreign policies of late.
52

Foo,

29/06/2009 10:04:27
tumshie heid, my God, is there no end to the upper levels of idiocy and selfish, brain dead views you spout, day in day out.

You can't understand why the rest of us want to honour military personnel for putting their life on the line? Then there must be something wrong with both your brain, and your understanding of society.

"It is their choice to sign up afterall." - Yes, and what would happen if they didn't put themselves forward? You might be happy cleaning drains for a living, but others do feel a sense of duty. There does happen to be a constant military threat against us as a nation, and not just to us, but also our allies. What good would you and your squeezy mop be against them?

Get lost, you little socially inept, selfish moron.

53

Linmal,

Livingston 29/06/2009 11:50:31
It was Armed Forces Day - not for Veterans but for serving members of the Forces. Veterans have their day in November and have had since the 20s.
54

Linmal,

Livingston 29/06/2009 11:54:44
#64 How can you rename something which did not previously exist? There has never been a Veterans Day in this country, you are thinking of the US. We have Rememberance Day in November. This is a whole new idea and as far as I can see is meant to support serving troops. And yes, they are volunteers but that is no reason not to show our appreciation. We need a defence force it is no good saying "sorry, can't shoot you, haven't got a gun" if aggressors come, and having a defence force also deters would be attackers.
55

tumshie heid,

29/06/2009 22:31:13
So Foo, once again when someone disagrees with your view they are treated to abuse. No matter how much abuse you post it won't change my opinion.

 

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