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Tram workers attacked with bricks as tempers boil over



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
TRAM workers today told how they had been attacked with bricks and even suffered abuse from pensioners as they dig up Edinburgh's roads.
Workers on Leith Walk spoke out about regular clashes with residents and traders over the roadworks.

As well as a steady stream of verbal abuse, workers say they have also had to contend with bricks being thrown at them from tenement windows.

Trams firm TIE said today it was unaware of the incidents but said it would investigate the reports.

One worker, approached by the Evening News, said: "We've had bricks and stones thrown from tenement flats above the tram route.

"We've also had a lot of hassle with the traders saying we've ruined their livelihood.

"I've had gangs come up to me and threaten to tear my head off, and they've even threatened to follow me home to find out where my family lives.

"One pensioner came up to us recently and said she was glad we were leaving for the Christmas period, and told us to 'eff off' and not come back."

As well as putting up with constant abuse, he said many of the workers, employed by contractor Carillion, were also facing difficulties finding work while the tram works stop for the festive season. He added: "Eighty per cent of the guys on site are from Edinburgh or the Lothians.

"A lot of our boys are subcontractors, and many of them are self-employed so when there's no work on, they don't get paid."

Another worker in a different part of the city said morale among the teams had hit rock bottom.

He said: "There is not one person that wants to be here now.

"I have had people shouting at me in the street, but we are only doing our job.

"People even threw bricks at some of the guys working on Leith Walk. TIE have just washed their hands of it and told them to give the details to the police."

A police spokesman said there was no record of complaints from tram workers, while TIE also insisted there had been no mention of any incidents in the reports from Carillion.

No-one from Carillion was available to comment.

Leith Walk Traders Association chairman Gordon Burgess said that if workers were being attacked, it was disgraceful.

"We've had our differences with TIE, and had a go at some of the workers for the road closures but at the end of the day these guys are only doing their job.

"If the ill feeling on the street has escalated to violence it must certainly be condemned."

Stewart Blaik, chairman of Leith Central Community Council, said the tram workers had been generally co-operative with residents' requests and added: "Anyone with a complaint about the tram works should take it to TIE, not take it out on the guys on the street."


The full article contains 487 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 November 2008 10:04 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Jambo Number 1,

18/11/2008 11:59:46
Thats what folk are like on that side of town.
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18/11/2008 12:11:24
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:14:24
Despicable behaviour, but no doubt provoked by the contant stream of anti-tram stories in this paper - every action has a consequence. I do hope the tram workers don't sue your paper for stirring up trouble. No-one should have to put up with that sort of treatment while working. Hope the police are dealing with this firmly. It would be nice to see some articles supporting the project for a change such as 'billion pound investment in city's future transport system' instead of the usual drip feed of bad news.These workers are doing a difficult enough job without this!
5

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:16:32
I can just imagine some old dearie popping over to the Co-op for a pint of milk, a can of cat food, oh and a couple of house bricks please. She then humps her load up 3 flights of well-worn stairs, makes a nice cup of tea, feeds the cat, opens her window, pulls the lace curtains back, and lobs her bricks at the workmen below screaming at the top of her lungs, "GIRFUY".

Aye right.

I'm sure if this had happened we'd have heard a lot more about it than this.
6

subrosa,

18/11/2008 12:19:56
Good to see Edinburgh's pensioners still have enough spirit. We need more of the same complaining (without the bad language perhaps) then these works may advance a lot faster.

Nothing like a tongue lashing from yer granny is there.
7

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:19:59
#4 Are you a TIE mouthpiece with the announcement of another cost overrun?

When did this £500m project reach a billion?
8

James (1),

18/11/2008 12:22:05
#1 you're right, they can be so animal like that they are almost heart supporters in the making.
Sorry I apologise, no one should be called a heart supporter.
(Mr editor, Mr editor please take this off, that is an outrageous slight on heart supporters)
9

Skip McClendon,

18/11/2008 12:23:37
If this is such a wide-scale problem, why have their been no official complaints to either TIE or the Police?

Don't get me wrong, if anyone is chucking stuff at Tram Workers, then they are idiots who deserve to be arrested.

But is this really a widescale problem? Somehow, I doubt it. Although, now that I think about it....maybe the stark absence of visible tram workers at most sites is because they are all hiding in their little hits away from the hoardes of brick-toting grannies running amok through Edinburgh's streets.
10

Skip McClendon,

18/11/2008 12:24:29
#9 D'oh....I meant little "huts"...
11

Hector the Red,

18/11/2008 12:25:30
What I would like to see is the nice chaps from TIE to be put in good old fashioned stocks outside St Giles and anyone that wanted could throw rotten tomatoes at them for £1 for four. This would be a great release for the frustrated public, also it would give a good gauge at the general publics attitude towards the trams and good public relations for TIE. Also the proceeds could go towards compensating those affeted by the works.......evetbody's happy. Darn, I'll even have a shot myself!
12

Johnny Yen,

Gorebridge 18/11/2008 12:25:41
"There is not one person that wants to be here now"

I think there is only councillors and politicans that want you there at all. This is a stupidly expensive project that hardly anyone will use that only exists to enhance the supposed prestige of the city.
13

MaroonToon,

18/11/2008 12:32:39
#5# That made me laugh, quality!!
14

sydglen,

leith 18/11/2008 12:36:22
4: So people who get annoyed are not actually bothered about the mess, the noise, the moving bus stops,the empty holes, the trees being uprooted, the shops shutting down, or anything else connected to this folly. No,they are all riled up by reading the evening news forums. Aye Right.......numpty.
15

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 12:36:53
"even suffered abuse from pensioners"

"Even"? That's all pensioners do is abuse people, isn't it? That, and remind everyone how old they are.
16

JGM20,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:41:56
Having read blogs like this previously, it seems that the use of abusive comments is tolerated to an extent. However, the expression "sub-human scum", even if said tongue in cheek, is surely not acceptable. The concept of the "sub-human" was a fundamental aspect of Nazi racist ideology and has rightly been condemned ever since. Anyone who is in the habit of using such an expression should take a serious hard look at themselves. I question whether such sentiments should be tolerated by the moderators.
17

Scotish Exile,

18/11/2008 12:47:53
and hairy ar5ed builders are supposed to be feart of some wee OAP telling them to eff off, pull the other one
18

Goges,

18/11/2008 12:48:00
#9
Couldn't agree more.
And since when did big, burly construction workers become so overly sensitive. Has anyone walked up and down Leith Walk recently and listened to the language adopted by these people.
They are working on a project which is in the public eye and under intense scrutiny and one in which there remains an awful lot of apathy. Get used to a wee bit criticism and get a grip.
19

Pond Hall,

18/11/2008 12:49:15
of course all the tramworkers are polite and

Maybe the have given as they have received !

but throwing bricks is beyond believe.
20

KTCB41,

18/11/2008 12:49:55
What if find so sad about this is that in a democracy people who have a concern about the provision of public services should be able to express that by engagement with their representative Councillor.

In the case of the trams our elected representatives seem to have lit the touch paper and retired to a safe distance.

It is not for those people who are only following orders to be at the brunt of it. Rather, I want every councillor who voted in our name to be engaging with their communities and explaining why the loss of income and inconvenience is a good thing and a price worth paying.

Or is that level of public accountability too much to ask of a democratic process that is spending more that £500 million pounds in our name.

Please note, I don't commnet on my view of the utility ovf the eventual existance of a tram line and trams, only on the process of getting their and the costs involved.
21

Pond Hall,

18/11/2008 12:51:31
Has anyone walked up and down Leith Walk recently and listened to the language adopted by these people.

yes you can hear them, "O My goodness I've dropped a shovel on my toe".

more like the F alphabet, were all words start with F.
no need to learn the a-z as their dictionary only contains words begining with F.
22

Look on the Bright side,

18/11/2008 12:53:43
If they want to be contractors and can't get work over the Festive period the only people they can blame are themselves, they chose to be contractors so get on with it. Also has no one told them about the recession, that could be why there's no jobs. Mind you Debenhams were looking for Xmas staff for their warehouse, that'd fit in nicely and they could continue to earn lots of dosh without having to complain about no work. Or maybe they've got their heads too far down the holes they've been digging and are oblivious to the current world conditions?
23

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 12:55:10
#16, quality mate, almost fell for it, just SLIGHTLY too self-righteous.
24

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 13:01:42
Its tradition in the building industry that they shut down over the festive period. The fact that workies will be out of work over this period is not new.
I'm sure also that if any workie had had bricks thrown at them then they would have informed police so that they could mount a compensation claim.
25

Pond Hall,

18/11/2008 13:04:01
the shut down over christmas

is so that the Tourists are not inconvienced by all the tramworks.

26

FC Barcelona,

18/11/2008 13:04:59
ahh leith, the capital's answer to glasgow
27

scotsol,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:08:19
I intend to throw bricks at pensioners from the window of the first tram.
28

Random,

18/11/2008 13:13:22
Not many of us want this tram system as its a complete waste of money, but to take it out on the workers like this is out of order, at the end of the day if they are just doing a job that they have been paid to do just like the rest off us
29

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/11/2008 13:13:23
Agree with the comments on "sub-human scum". Many of you won't know this, but research undertaken at the University of Mississippi suggests there are varying strata:

ultra-supra-human scum: people with a heavy film of impurities or vegetation on the surface of their skin;

supra-human scum: people with a light to moderate film of impurities or vegetation on the surface of their skin;

human scum: e.g., Simon Cowell;

sub-human scum: people who say they always speak their mind and think this is something to be proud of.

30

Hmm?,

18/11/2008 13:14:26
>>24 "I'm sure also that if any workie had had bricks thrown at them then they would have informed police so that they could mount a compensation claim."

What sort of compensation claim would that be then?
31

"Hoots" Fandango,

Hamilton 18/11/2008 13:18:45
Tram rage - what next?
32

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:19:44
I'll never condone these kinds of actions---after all, these blokes are construction workers, merely doing their jobs.

However, is this not indicative of the high-running feelings against the trams? I'd say so.

If the level and type of abuse to these workers is anything like has been reported then someone needs to call an urgent meeting and re-assess the viability of this project. Even judging by these pages, there is an overwhealming majority against the trams. Are the powers that be REALLY deaf, blind and stupid? Or is it going to take a worker to be killed and/or a riot started before they see sense?

Start thinking NOW you morons! Scrap this scheme IMMEDIATELY.
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18/11/2008 13:21:29
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18/11/2008 13:22:39
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Look on the Bright side,

18/11/2008 13:23:49
Where are the pensioners getting the bricks from, is it the Scottish Water sewage recyling plant at Seafield? If it is, the bricks shouldn't be too heavy or hard and is probably how the pensioners had the strength to throw them.
36

Bill MacD,

18/11/2008 13:24:17
Just shows how off their nuts the anti-tram fanatics are.
37

Billy Effluvia,

18/11/2008 13:24:29
36. When you gotta go, you gotta go. What's the person supposed to do, soil themselves?
38

Cod,

18/11/2008 13:24:42
#36 - You are taking the pIss. She was about 50. Stone.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:26:35
#20:

"What if find so sad about this is that in a democracy people who have a concern about the provision of public services should be able to express that by engagement with their representative Councillor."

Who (or whose "office") will then effectively tell them to f--- off. In a democracy this scheme would never have got beyond the "wouldn't it be a nice idea if..." stage.

We do not live in a democracy. We live in a politically correct dictatorship. In fact, I am not in favour of democracy in the first place because then you get idiots voted into power because the unthinking majority "have always voted for them" and are too blind to realise what damage they are doing.

Let's go for meritocracy. That would be a far better solution.
40

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:27:00
Sello you forgot the High Octaned scum category.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:28:20
#20:

"What if find so sad about this is that in a democracy people who have a concern about the provision of public services should be able to express that by engagement with their representative Councillor."

Who (or whose "office") will then effectively tell them to f--- off. In a democracy this scheme would never have got beyond the "wouldn't it be a nice idea if..." stage.

We do not live in a democracy. We live in a politically correct dictatorship. In fact, I am not in favour of democracy in the first place because then you get idiots voted into power because the unthinking majority "have always voted for them" and are too blind to realise what damage they are doing.

Let's go for meritocracy. That would be a far better solution.
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Scoop in the City,

18/11/2008 13:32:02
Nothing like the EEN to stir up an anti-tram wheeze. PS:If you live outside the city (Victor Meldrew of Gorebridge for instance), your view on the trams are null and void - so go away. I realise that you view the streets of Edinburgh as a highway to speed through on your way from your work to your low cost housing - but remember that there are people that live here, who would prefer you not to bring you fumes and congestion here every day.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:33:17
Foo, If you think I compy/pasted that then please post links to the previous occasions in the last 2 years where I have written what you find at #35 verbatim.

What's that? Can't do it? Oh dear! You haven't made a mistake have you! Heaven forbid.

#41:

Yeah, and I love you too...
45

roadstohell,

18/11/2008 13:36:27
This Carillon lot seem to have a huge presence in Edinburgh. Their vehicles etc are seen all over the place. They are the contractors for the flood protection scheme @ Cameron toll. I wonder if all these contracts are somehow all connected somehow?
Does anyone know of any other major contracts being granted to Carillon by CEC ?

Not suspicious or anything, of course, just wondering :0)
46

fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:39:33
#20 hits the nail on the head, exactly who is the Councillor, who is supposed to represent the people in the area? What way did he vote on the issue? Like it or not, the workmen do actually have the right to carry out their work without fear of violence or intimidation. And, no, I am not a pro trammie,. I have been firmly against the whole pile of SH17E from day one. This money could have been used to far greater benefit elsewhere.
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Billy Effluvia,

18/11/2008 13:45:35
It's a good thing the protest wasn't against bricklayers, or someone might have thrown a tram.
49

Cod,

Gey 18/11/2008 13:50:51
#47

Don't touch me unless you love me.
50

The Judge,

18/11/2008 13:53:46
A police spokesman said there was no record of complaints from tram workers, while TIE also insisted there had been no mention of any incidents in the reports from Carillion.

So basically a load of bull. Another fable written by Mark McLaughlin.

51

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:53:55
I agree with No. 20. If people are unhappy with any aspect of the tram scheme, they should contact their local councillors and MSP. Using violence towards tram workman is not acceptable.
52

Boswall,

18/11/2008 13:59:54
Inexcusable behaviour.....

.....but I suspect it's symptomatic of the disenfranchisement of those people whose lives/business are being turned upside down and a council that keep everything at arms length paying only the most casual lip service to public protest.
53

fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:01:20
Mario, does your wife have any sunny delight to go with your chips??
54

Old Cartha Boy,

Granton by the Trams 18/11/2008 14:12:43
In the same way that some films are blamed for inciting kids to acts of violence, looks like the OAPs in Leith Walk have been overdosing on old episodes of "Still Game".

Anyone NOT felt like chucking a brick at the lazy to**sers wearing Carillion jackets?
55

fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:14:00
63, I think it was Monty Python who highlighted the gangs of old age pensioners, they also highlighted gangs of keep left bollards.
56

"Hoots" Fandango,

Hamilton 18/11/2008 14:19:11
"I saw a pensioner having a pee at the side of Milton road the other day."

I was bursting OK?
57

World class concrete,

18/11/2008 14:25:39
#4 Paul B: I'm alarmed by your reference to a 'BILLION pound investment in city's future transport system'. Funny, I thought the cost was never going to exceed £545 million. Do you know something about the escalating costs of the trams that hasn't been made public yet?
58

"Hoots" Fandango,

Hamilton 18/11/2008 14:28:58
66

Edinburgh is paying in euros. I pound is now €1.18, so the cost is 15% more than when the contract was signed.
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World class concrete,

18/11/2008 14:41:28
#67: £545 million plus 15% is £626.75 million. So where does PaulB get his "billion" from?

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PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:43:37
You lot are completely paranoid! I have no idea how much the work will cost - probably should have said millions, instead. My main point was that no-one seems to be condemning people assaulting workers who are only trying to earn a living. I want the trams, and will be glad once they are operating.
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:45:55
It's quite hard to see the Tram workers. Most times I pass the sites at Haymarket and / or Leith Walk there are few visible let alone as targets to chuck rocks at. However I would urge all readers to behave in a law-abiding manner towards the Carillion workforce. It is easy to understand how frustration and anger over this issue has arisen following the cowardly council decision to not hold a referendum on whether the city wanted trams..
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Hamish B,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:14:54
Of course it is not acceptable that these workers are getting attacked/verbally abused but you can see why though. They skive off so much and you often see one person working whilst 20 are observing!!!. They get half days on wed,fri,sat and sun and things are taking far too long to do. If anything,we ought to emply people from abroad to do this type of work-at least they will be faster and more efficient at doing it. About time this changed and that people got to work quicker instead of skiving and getting paid too much to do sod all
63

Sarcasm,

18/11/2008 15:17:18
It's a good job the trams aren't planed for Gorgie.

Barnados' plant Gorgie T would see the roadworks as a potential mass grave.
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World class concrete,

18/11/2008 15:19:10
#69: your original comment was no.4, posted just a few minutes after the online EEN was published. And yet you had already decided no one was condemning workers being assaulted while doing their job.

If you say that trams will cost a billion, you have to expect people to wonder where you got your figure from - it's not being paranoid, just realistic, especially given the lies over the cost of the Parliament building.
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Boswall,

18/11/2008 15:36:33
PaulB etc

I don't know if you understand that the reason many people dislike the trams idea is that allocates a huge amount of public money to a service that benefits a relatively narrow proportion of the Edinburgh population.

It's a well worn tactic of the pro-tram lobby to paint those who oppose the scheme as anti-green pro-car etc etc where as most people who are opposed to the trams would prefer the £600m to be spent on further upgrading an already decent bus service, benefitting a far larger proportion of the population with significantly less disruption to the population and commerce.
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valleyjim,

18/11/2008 15:40:54
#51 roadstohell. Carrillion used to be Tarmac Construction.
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tomias,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:57:41
This is Edinburgh- imagine the story were this to happen in -eg Paris!
One or two bricks? The odd merde like reposte- merde? merde by the skip load.
vive la Republique,( if only)
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antifa,

18/11/2008 16:06:37
"most people who are opposed to the trams would prefer the £600m to be spent on further upgrading an already decent bus service?"

Do you really think the Scottish government would have provided £500m for Edinburgh buses?

I asked yesterday (when there was yet another tram story) if people intended to come on here and moan all the way up to 2011. I suppose I have my answer.
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ted@scumbus.com,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:15:34
welcome to the jungle boys, edinburgh bus drivers get that day-in day-out, but it rarely makes the edinburgh news
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fresian,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:17:13
79, I do! I also do it to neds, scheemies and cyclists.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:22:52
If anything is to be chucked surely the most appropriate targets are to be found in The City Chambers.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:53:22
It's not good enough that workers have had bricks thrown at them by the public, it's downright unbelievable in fact.

However, the abuse these workers are suffering is all down to the fact that hardly anyone in this city wants or needs this tram line to be built. Not only this, but scores of what were perfectly good businesses have had their takings literally stolen from them by the fools in charge of this disgraceful tram project.

I'm not condoning for one second the abuse the workers have faced.

However, if you look at the disruption to peoples lives that they have contributed to; if you take into account the constant parking of their vans in spaces designated for potential customers of the affected businesses, the day-in, day-out noise, litter, destruction that the tram works have created, then you might start to get an idea of where the violence and abuse that physical creators of this white elephant have suffered..
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Euan,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:55:29
Enough is enough, save this city, save our money, save the workers and SCRAP THE TRAM PROJECT NOW.
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calum,

18/11/2008 17:16:58
Like others, I am totally against the tram project because I believe it has no worthwhile business case, no safety case and there are more pressing transport needs elsewhere in Scotland. However, I uttely condemn those who would abuse or assault people who are merely trying to do their job.
I have a relative who works for a contractor on the project and he says it is the worst maaged and worst supervised project he has ever been on. This results in workers seemingly being hanging around with no direct work to do because plant or supervision is elsewhere. The TIE management has been proved to be a shambles.
But the worst aspect is the fact that councillors and other politicians who were so vociferous in their support for the tram project have said nothing for months. Where are they now?
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Euan,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 17:36:43
#85

The proof is in the response that I've had from almost every person I have talked to in this city in the last 18 months.

They could be customers of the company I work for, taxi drivers, bus drivers, postmen, friends, colleagues...

I don't need to prove anything to you 'Foo', I am well capable of finding these facts, yes facts, out for myself.

The fact is that almost NOBODY wants this tram line's construction to continue any longer.
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SwissDave,

Geneva 18/11/2008 17:42:56
Here in Geneva there is a brilliant tram network. In fact, if Edinburgh wants to be seen as a world city, it's about time it got the trappings of one rather than running those noisy messy diesel clag machines that pass for Lothian Buses.

Trams are worth every penny. Any continental European can tell you that (or for that matter someone from Dublin, or Sheffield, or Croydon, or San Francisco...). It's only insular pennypinching Edinburgh residents who object.

What surprises me most about this is that it is pensioners who are allegedly behind many of the comments. They will have the most to gain from comfortable frequent transport with a low floor and a conductor. They'll feel safer and their mobility will be dramatically improved.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 17:44:21
#86

Calum, well said.

Those councillors and politicians you mention are now hiding behind stones and cleverly disengaging themselves from the mess that is Edinburgh's tram project.

It is so obvious that it was the wrong decision to support this shambolic project in the first place, and now those who were in favour are quietly making their excuses and drawing back to deflect the incoming flack..

..only I hope that flack eventually it hits them and hits them hard and that, in time, they are held fully accountable for the mess, carnage and bankruptcy they have inflicted upon this fine city.
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cammy burns,

leith 18/11/2008 17:48:55
it has been on the radio that workers of TIE have fabricated the story, the story has be rubbished by TIE.

TIE should find out who lied and sack them, yet more disgrasful action by carillion staff.

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Euan,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 17:51:11
#88, Swiss Dave

'it's only insular pennypinching Edinburgh residents who object.'

Really quite derogatory statement there about Edinburgh citizens.

It is NOTHING to to with 'pennypinching' locals you muppet, it is about ordinary, sensible local people who were given no choice at all but to accept the building of a ludicrously over-priced and completely unnecessary tram LINE.

A tram LINE that is now forcing hard-working locals out of business all to please the twisted minds of a few councillors and politicians who think that by spending £600 million they can gain a world-class tourist attraction.



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Nakedheed,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 18:02:51
I remember being a part of a council squad installing "speed bumps" in Broomhouse and then being shot at with air guns. Police were called but could do nothing.
You get used to it though.
(And some people think council workers are greedy wanting a better pay award when they should in fact be getting danger money)
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keit011,

18/11/2008 18:27:08
is there going to be a extension to these tramlines or is it leith to gogar will there be one to dalkeith balerno portobello . we had some work in edinburgh but just couldnt get through traffic to make it worth while
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Beergut,

Embra 18/11/2008 18:45:17
##86 - I really wonder why Leith Walk has been a total shambles for the last couple of years with seemingly never-ending holes in the ground causing maximum disruption. Now I know - it's the totally useless management of the whole project. The boarded-up shops up and down the Walk are testament to the damage this ineptitude has caused. And they will probably never return. A vibrant community has been killed off - and for what?
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Crivvens,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:09:35
Why dont we give all pensioners a special Christmass bonus to each chuck a brick down any open tram works hole; by the time Carilion come back they can just tarmac over the filled in holes with minimal cost and abandon this ludicrous waste of money
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:14:20
#4. Sound like in payroll of nutter Jenny. You are trying to persuade an Edinburgh paper not to report on the anti tram feeling in Edinburgh!

You won't find many positives in Edinburgh and let's hope it doesn't reach £1Bn as when SNP approved the project they said Edinburgh ratepayers would have to pay for any overspend.
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Grad 1,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:24:17
"A lot of our boys are subcontractors, and many of them are self-employed so when there's no work on, they don't get paid."

Obviously "no work on" is subtly different from "no work being done". If nothing else it emphasizes there is absoultely no incentive for these guys to do this work efficiently hence the growing number of roadworks all being done at a snails pace(apologies to snails here for the inferred slander. I obviously accept that you guys would move much faster than the poor wee souls risking life and limb, against armies of OAPs armed with shopping trolleys and zimmer-frames, to bring our capital city to a standstill).

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Maxibus,

18/11/2008 21:10:56
Well said Swiss Dave you are so right.
They are also moaning about the trams in Mancester but there it's because they can't get enough of them.
They are also in favour of a congestion charge.
Wonder when some people in Edinburgh will look outside of the ring road and move into the 21st Century


http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 18/11/2008 21:16:59
This made the papers - with no official complaint[s] made to the police or TIE? Must be a slow news day at the EN.

Probably some old dear gave them - poor sensitive souls that they are - an earful when catching five of them in classic leaning on shovels mode, watching one, Pole-in-the-hole-worker, dig away.
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tumshie heid,

18/11/2008 21:19:17
Foo any Fool can see that most of Edinburgh is against the trams nonsense that has been inflicted on Edinburgh.
Why not step out of your lentil munching Utopia and ask some people in the street what they think?
As for the brick chucking, the only reason a tram worker would be complaining about that is because they would actually have to do some work in retrieving the brick from one of the giant craters that they have dug.
I had the misfortune of driving in to town this morning and at every crater there were hordes of "kies "(I cant say "workies" because they certainly aren't working) leaning on spades,smoking, chatting etc.
Is it any wonder this city is in such a mess?
This whole project should be shelved and let the sub contractors find another gravy train to ride on in the new year.
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/11/2008 22:05:15
trams.trams,trams,yuo.get.tired,off.it
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roadstohell,

18/11/2008 22:45:33
Must say the "work rate" seems very slow, whatever the merits/demerits of the trams.

Obviously there are few Polish workers among them.
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tumshie heid,

18/11/2008 23:06:00
#103 Hoist the jolly roger. Of course Edinburgh's public transport needs improved,but spending millions on one tram line whilst disrupting large parts of Edinburgh for years is not a sensible approach.
Why not ask a few colleagues/friends and see how public opinion lies regarding this shambles?
Other than a few on here I have yet to hear a pro trams opinion.
Foo you have got to get a grip man. How can you berate others for insulting you whilst showing off your lack of intellect with petty insults to anyone who dissagrees with you?
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/11/2008 23:33:26
IT.HELPS.TO.KEEP.THE.SENIORS.ACTIVE.A.BRICK.A.DAY
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Leila,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 23:57:38
#103: "public transport in Edinburgh has to move away from what it is now and ... trams are the way ahead"

(1) Why does public transport need to change? Buses have suited Edinburgh very well, we have until now had an excellent bus network and some very good frequent services like the 22 and 26, and passenger numbers have been increasing year on year which proves how good the service is. (2) The absence of trams since the 1950s hasn't stopped Edinburgh growing and prospering as a financial centre, a tourist destination and a popular place to live. (3) You assert that trams are the way ahead - but why, and to what? We have been expected to accept without question that there is a problem with public transport in Edinburgh, when that isn't the general perception, and then we're meant to accept a jump of logic to the conclusion that trams are the answer to the "problem". There's an old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Here's the reality: there was no problem with public transport in Edinburgh until the tram work started, but there are problems now, and they'll get worse the longer the tram work continues. At this rate we probably won't even have a Lothian Buses by 2011.
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Old Cartha Boy,

19/11/2008 08:35:50
Interesting that the survey currently being run by CEC on how Council money should be spent does NOT ask whether you support the tram scheme. What a lost opportunity to get that view.
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 19/11/2008 09:53:44
SNP supporters again thats all this lot know is violence look like gangsters and act like them
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Shaken,

19/11/2008 13:01:44
#109

Can you formulate a sentence that meakes sense?

Are you saying that the SNP supporters are the OAPs, Carillion or the workers?

Just fyi the Edinurgh seat is Labour run and this debacle was of their making..

Again if you can clarify what you are trying to say.

I see the Labour education system served you well.
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King Brood,

19/11/2008 13:30:14
I for one would not feel so annoyed by the tram works situation if, when I passed the areas of work, I could see people actually working hard to deliver the trams. What I see, however, are workmen standing around in groups with mobile phones in hand and little work being done. Surely, also, some of the work could be carried out around the clock under floodlights at night so as the whole thing could be achieved in a shorter period of time.
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The Busman,

Edinburgh 19/11/2008 22:48:14
Does anyone here seriously think it will be finished by 2011?

What guesses are out there as to what Part 1A of the project will, in fact, end up costing?

 

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