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Traders say trams will halve car spaces on Leith Walk



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Published Date: 06 October 2008
TRADERS today said that Leith Walk will lose half its parking spaces to make way for the trams – more than double the official estimate.
The local authority said just 22 per cent of the street's 162 existing parking spaces would be lost in tram design proposals published last month.

But angry traders have calculated that just over half the spaces will be lost.

They say the council figure is misleading because it includes controlled parking bays being created in the side streets off Leith Walk.

While officials admitted problems with their initial figures, senior councillors today insisted the changes would only mean a loss of 12 spaces overall.

Grant Kavanagh, of Arkay Imaging on Leith Walk, who made his own calculations of the parking spaces, said: "I just think it is not fair to include the side streets because it is not a like-for-like comparison.

"This should have been made clear – why should it be up to people like me to work it out."

Although the parking spaces on side streets off Leith Walk are already in place, TIE officials have argued that because they carry no time restrictions they are not very useful to people looking to stop and shop.

When the trams are in place, one-hour maximum stay restrictions are likely to be applied to the side street spaces in order to encourage a greater turnover of cars.

Leith Walk has seen some of the worst disruption caused by tram works over the last 18 months.

Utilities works on sections of the busy street have recently been extended until December and construction for the tram tracks is also underway.

Alan Rudland, vice-chairman of the Leith Walk and Constitution Street Traders Association, said: "Now we are getting a like-for-like comparison we have a more meaningful idea of what is going to happen and you can see that the big squeeze is happening at the bottom of the Walk. It just seems to be that the designers have gone through the design process without physically going to the street and getting a feel for how it works."

City officials confirmed they had included the side streets in their calculations – but also admitted that their initial figures were wrong.

The council's revised calculations show that overall parking spaces on Leith Walk itself will fall by 48 per cent, but if you include side streets then the drop is only seven per cent.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, told the Evening News today: "The parking situation on and around Leith Walk, once trams are up and running, has been looked at in great detail.

"The proposed solution means a net loss of only seven per cent of parking, or 12 spaces.

"The council has been able to manage this small decrease by bringing controls into side streets which were previously unregulated.

"This will increase parking opportunities for visitors and shoppers in and around Leith Walk.

"While increasing the number of parking spaces is unlikely, through the current consultation process there is the flexibility to alter the hours of regulation and we will look at this if it's desired."


The full article contains 534 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 06 October 2008 11:14 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

mystic,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 11:58:20
Lies lies lies, thats all we hear from the council and TIE.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
2

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06/10/2008 12:08:27
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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 12:09:43

Ever seen the film "Derailed" starring Vincent Cassel and Jennifer Aniston, with cameos from The Rza and Xzibit?

It's fairly monotonous b-movie, not unlike "The Disaster Of Leith Walk"

The trams won't bring business to the area: too few stops.

TIE should tie a rope around its neck, attach it to a light fitting and stand on a chair. I'll gladly kick the chair away.
4

Jenny MacArthur,

06/10/2008 12:10:34
Great news. The fewer cars, the better for pedestrians. Why does the EN always want to take the side of the antisocial polluting fat-slob car brigade?
5

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06/10/2008 12:12:49
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controls,

06/10/2008 12:16:58
2# you have forgot to put a L at the end your name.
7

Skip McClendon,

06/10/2008 12:19:03
Ahhh, Jenny's back now that the Council/TIE press office has re-opened after the long weekend break.
8

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06/10/2008 12:24:12
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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 12:24:31

#4 It's against the spirit and tradition of EEN comments to use them for PR purposes, baby.

I reckon:

a) you own a car and drive it
b) you go in aeroplanes
c) you don't recycle you baked bean tinz

paaarp

Fank u an goodnite Jenny baby
10

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 12:27:38

#5 I agree with you to an extent, for instance someone who lives at Elm Row taking a walk to asian Occasion or Harburn Hobbies.

I was more referring to the fact that someone on a tram from like Broomhouse or that. They'll stay on de tram til it gets to Ocean Terminal, cos they'll have paid their £3.60 fare and stuff, ken?
11

controls,

06/10/2008 12:31:29
8# fool you a really letting yourself down with such language- go and stand in the corner and face the wall idiot...
12

Bob 2,

...in a TIE jam 06/10/2008 12:32:36
4 Jenny MacArthur,06/10/2008 12:10:34
Great news. The fewer cars, the better for pedestrians. Why does the EN always want to take the side of the antisocial polluting fat-slob car brigade?

back from Holiday..you've missed a few IMPORTANT EN stories

Bad News.... The Pavements on Leith Walk & Princes Street are being REDUCED in Width.

Result ....Pedestrians will be closer to the CAR/BUS lanes on Leith Walk, which means more POLLUTION

and I don't commute by car
13

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06/10/2008 12:34:31
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06/10/2008 12:39:05
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Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 06/10/2008 12:40:12
If the shops in Leith Walk are losing trade, thats cos they are rubbish.
I remember it in the 1970s, much nicer and cleaner.

Very few of the shops now take any pride in their appearance, and leave filthy bins stuffed with rubbish lying about, have flaking paintwork and no decent window displays etc. Hardly going to encourage shoppers. Oh but no, its all the big bad trams fault.

I only go their now to buy toys from Hadburn Hobbies, great wee shop. Hope they get some tram models in soon !!!
16

Linmal,

Livingston 06/10/2008 12:45:16
#15 - I agree. When I was growing up my friend and I used to spend Saturday afternoons either going down Leith Walk from Pilrig and back again or in the opposite direction up to the Playhouse. There were numerous shops and cafes then which we would go and look at. Now I wouldn't want to as, as you say, the shops, apart from maybe Harburn Hobbies, aren't nearly so nice.
17

Linmal,

Livingston 06/10/2008 12:46:05
#15 - Have you seen the vintage no 10 bus they have in their window? Check it out and its only about £7. Brought back some memories!
18

Incandescent,

06/10/2008 12:49:04
#4 Gorgie_Jenny MacTony, we established last week that this you're one and the same, now why don't you take heed of #4's advice and give us all some peace from your childish rants.
19

Incandescent,

06/10/2008 12:49:27
#4 Gorgie_Jenny MacTony, we established last week that you're one and the same, now why don't you take heed of #4's advice and give us all some peace from your childish rants.
20

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 06/10/2008 12:57:56
19 - what do you expect in Hobo country ??
21

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 13:10:20

Comparing Leith Walk to Gorgie Road is like comparing Star Wars to Button Moon.
22

Reality Cheque,

06/10/2008 13:10:54
What happened to the council's plan to turn Leith Walk into one of Europe's top shopping streets? Do they expect the trams to do that? As Mario says, it's not exactly crammed with top brands right now.
23

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 06/10/2008 13:11:48
As the emporers new tram continues to bash on through traffic choas, misleading information (basicly the lies the cooncil and TIE have told)I wonder when this once great city will actually come to its senses. How long can TIE and the cooncil get away with it. Edinburgh is sleep walking into a tram line. When Edinburgh wakes up they will find fewer parking spaces, buses routes changed or axed, bus ticket prices increased to help pay for the tram, roads blocked off, road/street junctions changed to suit the tram and a massive council bill to help fill the black hole that is in the fairy tale business plan of TIE. And what will the cooncilors say at the end of the fairy tale of TIE saga. We didnt anticipate, its no oor fault.
24

scotsol,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 13:13:00
If we were living in Babylon while the Hanging Gardens were being built all this lot would do is moan about traffic disruption and the loss of donkey parking spaces.
25

Howard Moon,

06/10/2008 13:18:09
Good to see the EEN returns to normal service regarding tram stories once again - make out as if it's only a handful of Leith Walk traders who are concerned about what's going on and the long term implications for the scheme. Why don't they try a bit of proactive investigative journalism (ie on the plans for Picardy Place), rather than just react to whatever minority interest group quote lands on your desk first thing in the morning?

Anyway, it's a story about Leith Walk. And the local councillors said precisely... nothing.
26

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 13:18:40
Would any other company than TIE have been allowed to take the action that has been taken in Edinburgh ?
The only things that TIE is good at are spending money and issuing statements.
27

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06/10/2008 13:19:49
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Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 13:20:12
To all the anti-car moaners, I have just one question: how would you buy a large item and get it back to your home?

Okay, you can ask for it to be delivered and then take a day off work to wait for it, but a car is the most convenient way.

The thing about cars is they give you mobility (duh!) and if you can't park outside the shops on Leith Walk then you drive to somewhere you can park and the Leith Walk shops lose your business. It's that simple.
29

IanfaeClerrie,

Swansea 06/10/2008 13:21:03
I like LW but I don't understand why anyone would drive there to shop.

LW stpeed being a major arterial road many years ago as the traffic grew. As a result of this and malls, it ceased to be a major shopping center.

I would have thought that trams would bring an increase in trade from people travelling down LW, if they get a 'day/week ticket' for tourists then I could see them getting off to explore Pilrig Motors and City Fruits.

Seriously though, I see it as a real plus.

30

bumf,

06/10/2008 13:23:08
>30. You must be A Friend of Fernando Poo.
31

THE BPRENTICE,

06/10/2008 13:25:44
#8 Kung Foo - its a FACT that businesses in Leith Walk are struggling badly from the tram works - I know of a pub that has been inspected by the HMRC because they were still paying their vat bill (a non-smelly pub). The vatman wanted to know how the publican was "managing it".

Please engage brain before offering your wisdom.

#19) re Rickys ... where else can you get served by someone wearing jesus sandals?
32

Incandescent,

06/10/2008 13:26:38
#30 What you think is of absolutely no significance whatsoever to me.
33

Bob 2,

06/10/2008 13:34:33
31 Sue Baru,06/10/2008 13:20:12
To all the anti-car moaners, I have just one question: how would you buy a large item and get it back to your home?

Depends on the size of your car, do you drive one of those big 4x4s..

and you point is

So how do you get a 3 piece suite or double bed home from IKEA or DFS ?, Do you saw them in half


Your feet give you mobility, and walking helps you stay fit, instead of driving 20yds down the street


and your point is?

34

betty you can call me al,

06/10/2008 13:35:01
#4 Jenny MacArthur
Seriously, you are a prized muppet. If you cannot see what the trams are doing to this town you must be blind.

I own a car which I hardly drive except to visits relatives who live further afield but I prefer to (and do) walk whenever I can - which incidently is most days and almost all journeys apart from those already mentioned. WALKING IN EDINBURGH IS ALSO A PITA BECAUSE OF TRAM WORKS.

Wake up woman, the trams are a shambolic waste of public coffers. The country is in a mess and this is still justifiable expenditure.

PS Jenny: I recycle bottles, cardboard and paper. Oh and I use energy saving bulbs too but the trams are still a p**h idea.
35

Journalistic licence,

06/10/2008 13:41:34
Great - it's already bad enough getting into these spaces with a big car, it'll be near impossible when they've been halved in size.
36

Journalistic licence,

06/10/2008 13:44:39
#15 I agree
37

Journalistic licence,

06/10/2008 13:45:01
#16 You are so wrong
38

Digruntled Leither,

Leith Walk 06/10/2008 13:45:04
Never mind the traders losing valuable parking spaces what about the residents, we're losing them too.
39

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 13:50:42
37 - You have chosen a couple of extreme examples, although I probably could get a sofa on my roof rack.

My point is about choice. There are a lot of things you could buy where a car is the easiest way to get them home. Try strugging onto a bus/tram with fragile glassware or some flatpack furniture.

I do not expect to be able to drive my car 200 yards to shop and park where i please. I walk when i can because once I've found a parking space in this city, I only move the car when I need to.
40

Amenemhat,

06/10/2008 13:58:51
#44 we are not getting a tram system it's a line, one line and one line only no matter what the blue sky thinking on this one.

change is good but but not always needed
41

Statsman,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 14:02:35
I hate this tram project.
42

hassan i sabbah,

leith 06/10/2008 14:03:09
Anybody seen the big red birthday banner on Leith walk/Balfour st?
"Happy birthday "HOLE" You are one today!"
Absolute brilliance, and worth a million whiny comments on the EEN forum!
Enjoy yer moanin,Maggots!
43

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 06/10/2008 14:03:10
The whole blame for the fiasco that is in Edinburgh at the moment is our cooncilors and town planners. These people are the numpties who over the years have gradually ground Edinburgh to a halt the final piece in the jigsaw is the great tram fiasco. You can elect cooncilors as many times as you want but the planners and the beurocrats stay the same. They continue on the same course knowing full well that cooncilors will be kicked out of office but the planners job is safe. they dont care if a business goes under they will still have there job at the cooncil. They dont care if there is no proper integrated transport system in Edinburgh they still have a job with a good pension working with the cooncil. politicians and cooncilors if they have the guts and can drag themselves from the gravy train they are on may fall on there swords and admit the tram is a fiasco. However your wee back room planner will turn up at his cooncil job with his cooncil pension growing biger no matter what choas is going on around him.
44

Amenemhat,

06/10/2008 14:03:57
I know they were planned, but there was also a plan to build 3 lines they cant even get 1b together yet.
45

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 06/10/2008 14:06:13
#44

"Not one line, but several criss crossing the city."

How deluded are you there is one line from Ocean Terminal to Gogar burn. Have you been drinking the herbal tea again ?.
46

ikonoclast,

06/10/2008 14:14:25
50, your points are well made. If only we could force the council's bureaucrats and planners to pull public rickshaws for a year as pennance when the tram project is shut down, because all pennies in the public purse are required to keep our banks solvent.

We may not like banks, but we do need them. The same can be said about cars, but never about trams.
47

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 14:16:02
There is absolutely no point in trying to compare the new and old tram systems. The new tram is more like a train running on the streets. We have used the trams in Manchester and found to our cost that they use train type signalling where only one tram is allowed to enter a section at a time. We sat at a red light for half an hour a few yards short of a platform as there was some problem with a tram somewher in the section ahead of us. Although there was no sign of the tram and the platform was empty our tram could not pass the red light and of course could not open the doors as we were not at a platform.
Is the same kind of incident likely to happen in Edinburgh ?
48

Hmm ...,

06/10/2008 14:16:58
... (44) is REALLY droll! The continental cities that kept trams did so because they weren't taking up road space - our answer was to build suburban railways. These are what should be reintroduced.

Driving out of Glasgow on M8 this morning, I marvelled on the sheer number of cars that were making progress into the city. Edinburgh couldn't accommodate anything like that number. But then Glasgow was able to build the M8 largely on redevelopment of redndant industrial land and its attached slum housing.

There's a lot to be said for cities being built around their transport infrastructure.

IN Edinburgh we are trying to shoehorn trams into an already busy city. It doesn't work but that didn't stop Edinburgh's loony hard-left Labour administration deciding to do it. As the Trots say, you have to estroy society before you can rebuild it as a workers' paradise. But what do they know - they can't even use their name. They have to find mild sounding aliases!
49

An Enemy of the People,

06/10/2008 14:22:20
52
you can have a fight with me if you want one.
I'm always up for pi$$ing people off.

P.S. I think the trams are a great idea because they really annoy sensible folk and the pro-tram lobby are such a complete bunch of to$$ers.
50

Hmm ...,

06/10/2008 14:25:29
... Auld Twa (55) - absolutely. They have been promising the "biggest most advanced trams" and recently we were told that they now want to run train/trams down to Galashiels and eventually over the new "road" bridge to Fife - offroad until they reach Edinburgh, then they will join the street lines with the other trams. So the track must be railway gauge and we will actually have trains running along Princes Street, Shandwick Place and down North Bridge. No wonder they want to close city centre streets to other traffic! Or is it that they really want to close the streets and the trams are their choice of how to achieve that on a big scale? It would certainly explain their mad determination to introduce trams.

And some poor misguided fools may actually support them!
51

JML,

06/10/2008 14:27:41
You can all argue till the cows come home about cars, walking, etc. But it won't make a pin of difference because by the time the trams are in, people will be going elsewhere to shop. Princes Street is already dying a death. There are very few decent shops on Leith Walk and they'll be gone in a year as well.

By 2012, Leith Walk will be a ghost town and you can walk/drive/cycle/cartwheel up the middle of the road if you want because there'll be nothing there.

The trams are killing the town. That money would have been put to better use by cleaning up Leith Walk, entice some decent shops down there and make it more prosperous. It's bad now, but just you wait for another 2 or 3 years.
52

Hmm ...,

06/10/2008 14:28:48
... Mario (57) gets a tram every day, so must live in Manchester. Just how does his opinion matter in the Edinburgh tram debate?

Particularly when he says that some Manchester people smell funny but we won't have that problem here. You can't have been on an Edinburgh bus recently, then, Mario!
53

eric,

lothian 06/10/2008 15:09:43
Glasgow has 3rd oldest Subway in world,and to be expanded.which makes it very unique,well done them.also Glasgows streets were built around old tram system and streets and roads are wide,WE have shot ourselves in foot. most folks just dont want this in Edinburgh .
54

Concerned of Leith,

06/10/2008 15:16:05
What the Traders Association was doing was highlighting the fact that the council planners were stealing space from the residents on the side streets and giving it to the traders and telling them to be grateful (and not to tell the residents).

The residents need to take note and go and make their complaints about the loss of their parking to TIE and the Council.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/Transport/Public_transport/Trams/CEC_traffic_regulation__tro__design_update_exhibition
55

Decent,

06/10/2008 15:42:34
Mario - the aquarium has shut down - because of the trams.

But I'm glad I read this lot I nearly choked on my coffee between you and Mr Foo again.
56

Rap,

06/10/2008 15:55:34
Croyden has a very nice tram Mario.
57

Rap,

06/10/2008 16:01:49
Indeed. Everyone forgot about the hell of the construction and the passenger surveys were always very good and positive.
58

Austin Bowels,

International Man of Dysentery 06/10/2008 16:17:15
#56
I had a dose of The Trots once. Wasn't good for my business either.
59

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 06/10/2008 16:47:43
I am sick and tired hearing about the traders of Leith!

Pity they don't use their energy into thinking about how to get buyers to shop in their shops.

Suggest perhaps they are small minded and will ever remain so expecting others to provide the clients etc etc.

There are so many other parts to Edinburgh than Leith.

Personally I wouldn't like to shop in any of their shops as they sound such grumps and moans and just wonder if they make any effort with their shops at all!

Look at yourselves you Leith Shopkeepers instead of blaming others and making the least thing an excuse.
60

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 16:54:50
#12 Bob2. You say " antisocial polluting fat-slob car brigade". I live in middle of town, commute to manage businesses with a boot full of business related material, laptops, golf clubs etc. I can use all on same day. I drive to hundreds of destinations in all directions from Edinburgh.

So you can work out I NEED the flexibility of my car. I am similar to at least 50% of neihbours in this regard. I am neither fat, nor a slob, nor anti-social by nature and the trams will add to the pollution given the additional traffic jams so not feeling guilty on that final comment of yours.

The few over zealous tram supporters just won't look at reality. The last post #71 (at this time) seems not to accept halfing parking will reduce trade - of course it will.

This project should be stopped now, pay the financial penalties, sack the councilors responsible and save Edinburgh.
61

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 17:03:21

Manchester would be ok if it wasn't in England.

I seen that Braveheart film and it made me hate the English for what they done to us poor Australians at the battle of Falkirk in 1403
62

The Lone Haranguer,

06/10/2008 17:07:59
#72. Bob2 does not require such a thoughtful, constructive and detailed rebuttal.

As he can barely re-tie his own shoelaces when out on the street without blaming car drivers for reducing his mobilty, you will find that a large dollop of derision will work just as well and also make you feel better.
63

Joe Smith.,

06/10/2008 17:28:49

#12 and #4 - are you two, like, getting jiggy wit' each other?

Or are yous the same PR agent trying to do a bit of duophony?

I've got news for the pair of yous - cars will never die out. Never.

They'll outlast the trams, that's for defo.
64

Flies roond shïte,

06/10/2008 17:56:03
Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z...
Mmmm trams. Long, turd-shaped and crapping all over the city.
They don't smell bad yet, but give the neds and jakeys time.
I'll be back for that.
65

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 18:32:03

#76 -

you makey a mistakey - TURDS ARE NATURAL WASTE, trams are unnatural waste
66

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 06/10/2008 19:02:52

Gorgie Road is a retial dead zone, all that's left on Gorgie Road of any worth is:

the Westfield chippy;
SpecSavers (shoood of went tae specsavoooyhs);
Saino's

and that's it - 3 shops, or 2 if you're not a speccy four-eyed Stevie Wonder.

Leith Walk, on de udder hon, has loads of stuff like:

Borlands TV & Derts
Wee Motorcycle Emporium
Harburn Hobbies
Elvis Shakespeare
Tesco's
Asian occasion
Scotmid
Kureishi's
Akdeniz
Greggs The Bakers

It's Scotland's best street - places like Pollokshaws Road, Great Western Road and Suchiehall Street are rubbish compared to Leith walk. But not for long, the trams will see to that

The Disaster Of Leith Walk is going to turn it into Gorgie East.
67

Bruce Lee,

06/10/2008 19:07:50
lets face it Leith is a toilet, junkie central, only the Polis are good doon there.
68

Jason L. McKenzie,

Moredun 06/10/2008 20:02:29
no. 4, Jenny...

The self-conscious fashion in which your rants are constructed (with short sentences which you erroneously believe to be pithy and multiple pejoratives piling up in advance of any car-related noun) leads me to the conclusion that you think yourself to be a good writer.

You really aren't.

You are either a frustrated (i.e. insufficiently talented) journalist working in a PR department, as many here have hypothesised, or a fantastically irritating teenager. Please do continue to post, however, so that I may attempt to narrow down these possibilities.
69

The Lone Haranguer,

06/10/2008 20:18:02
#80. Or an angry Liebour-voting busybody with a dead-end council job, who is envious of the things that others' hard work have brought them and wants to chew on the sourest of sour grapes.

Cheer up Jenny, oor Dear Leader Son-of-Stalin Broon wants to turn this country into North Korea and he will need nosey, interfering wee scunners to denounce their neighbours and join his secret police.
70

The real dracula,

06/10/2008 23:40:41
Jenny I have a few theories about your rant against drivers.
1 You like to be antagonistic
2 You have failed your driving test too many time to mention.
3 You cant afford a car
4 You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

I own a car and drive , I'm not lazy I walk my dogs 4 times a day and I'm not fat.

I will continue to use my car as and when I see fit without a trace of guilt.

If I were to use a bus to get to my work I would have to leave the house at 5:30 for a journey of over an hour and leave work at19:30 for another hour plus journey. In the car it takes me 20 mins.

Now tell me if you would use the bus in that case ,,,,,I think not.
71

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 01:07:35
Great to hear car parking space will be seriously reduced. Who will need such space when the trams and buses will provide a fantastic service? No doubt the die hard car users will still insist on using their vehicles and continue to illegally park, causing problems for the elderly, disabled, and those with walking difficulties. Car drivers who cause such misery should be banned from driving for life, and have their vehicle confiscated - that will teach them a proper lesson.
72

calum,

07/10/2008 06:19:04
#83 - You forgot the thrashings ....... and the beatings ......and the leatherings ....... and being dragged over the shards of glass from their smashed windscreens ......oh, and, of course, the mustard gas that you're so fond of. Geeee.
73

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 07/10/2008 21:31:41
TIE are bunch of LIARS. The councillors are incompetent they should ALL resign for this monstruous fiasco!!! including the SNP.
74

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 07/10/2008 21:33:36
TIE are worse than Tony Blair with his WDM (Weapons of Mass Deception)
75

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 07/10/2008 21:35:22
TIE are worse than Tony Blair with his WMD (Weapons of Mass Deception). Nothing but LIES
76

Lally Mc,

Leith 20/10/2008 16:12:48
This means drivers will be using more petrol through driving round in circles looking for parking spaces. Mind you we can all start doing do what is already causing obstructions in some of the streets - double parking at nights and parking on the wide pavements, especially at the end of Lorne Street and it should be okay as you never see anyone getting parking tickets for this.

 

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