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Published Date: 06 November 2009
FIREFIGHTERS came under attack from a group of youths last night as crews across the Lothians dealt with more than 450 calls – a rise on last year.
The crew was responding to reports of a malicious fire set on open ground at Laurel Bank Place in Mayfield, Dalkeith, at around 10:20pm.

On arrival they were abused by a group of youths who lobbed stones at them and shouted insults.

Following guidelines issued by Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue Service to provide as much protection as possible for its crews, the firefighters withdrew and called the police.

No firefighters were injured but the attack caused damage to the windscreen of one fire engine. Another vehicle's bodywork was damaged.

While firefighters were kept busy on another hectic night, control staff reported that, despite fears of more attacks, this had been the only crew targeted.

Crews dealt with around 100 more calls this year than last, having responded to around 350 on 5 November 2008.

Group Manager Tom McGrath said: "The attack on a fire crew is totally unacceptable and it is just fortunate that no one has been hurt.

"People need to understand that we are trying to provide a public service."


'People don't seem to realise how dangerous their actions are, and the cost to the fire service in dealing with them'

EVENING News reporter Gareth Edwards joined crews from Sighthill as the city's firefighters tackled their most challenging night of the year.

IN EDINBURGH, Sighthill is generally one of the busiest fire stations, and the full-time crew of 11 have been joined by three retained crews from the Borders to help cover the massive influx of calls.

By 7pm, with celebrations well under way, the calls are flooding in.

After a few minutes at the station, we hear the droning alarm ringing out.

One of the retained crews is ready in seconds, and we follow them out to Redhall Drive where there have been reports of an unsupervised bonfire.

On the way, the radio continually crackles with new calls coming in.

Another Sighthill team is dealing with rubbish alight, there is an unsupervised bonfire at Polkemmet Primary, and even a malicious false alarm at Broxburn Academy wasting time and manpower.

On an average night, the local fire and rescue crews would expect up to 100 calls. On Bonfire Night, it can be more than 800.

When we arrive at Redhall Drive, a large pile of rubbish, including a shopping trolley, has been set alight.

A group of people are there, and there is some suggestion fireworks may have been thrown on to the blaze.

The firefighters use water buckets to put out the fire, causing the flames to flare up.

As the crew heads back to the station they get another call, to a fire at Harvesters Way in Wester Hailes.

There, they find a group of very young children next to a large bonfire which has been set behind a wall on a public footpath. Firefighters are all too aware of the possibility of being attacked, and the crew admits this is exactly the sort of situation which could become very ugly, very quickly.

After speaking to the children, they agree not to put the bonfire out as long as the eldest stay to supervise it.

By 8.45pm, calls are almost non-stop.

Jim Connell, watch manager with a retained crew from Lauder who are helping to cover the calls in the city, says: "We will spend a lot of tonight just going around and putting out bonfires."

A call then comes in to a fire in Saughton Mains Park. By now, the makeshift bonfires are abandoned, but the crew discover that someone has thrown a gas cannister on to the fire, creating a highly dangerous situation.

After dousing the flames, they put a hose on to the cannister to cool it down, before bringing out thermal imaging equipment to check it is safe to move.

Group manager Tom McGrath says: "It is this kind of incident that is really concerning, as a lot of people don't seem to realise how dangerous these actions are, and the cost to the fire service in dealing with them."

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1

Davy,

very ugly 06/11/2009 12:01:02
Thugs stone fire fighters. No fire fighters were injured eh?
2

Pond Hall,

06/11/2009 12:11:25
simple.....turn the hoses on the little darlings

give them a dose of their own medicine
3

Bling Crosby,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 12:13:12
#2

if you did that then they'd soon go running to the police!

you have to question the mentality of some people. It makes you sad to be a human being.

4

Pond Hall,

06/11/2009 12:14:18
no1

No firefighters were injured but the attack caused damage to the windscreen of one fire engine. Another vehicle's bodywork was damaged.

which would mean that the Fire Engine would be Out of Use and unable to be used for other emergency calls, putting peoples lives in danger.
5

Mr Tesco,

06/11/2009 12:17:04
@2.. i totally agree with you. if this can be done why not wire the hose up to the main's power supply & fry the little b.uggers too !!
6

hibbywul,

06/11/2009 12:18:40
#3, it doesnt make me sad, just angry. These firefighters risk there lives to save ours regularly and how do we repay them? We send them to Dalkeith/Sighthill/Granton etc to be abused and stoned by thugs. Something must be done, Plod must get of his lazy a#se and arrest these hooligans. But then again, that wont happen, will create too much paperwork and mean they have to do some proper police work for a change.
7

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 06/11/2009 12:20:34
I wonder how these bits of scum would feel if their lives were in the hands of the firefighters.
8

Trams shams,

06/11/2009 12:24:09
Excellent solution No5
9

malcyh,

06/11/2009 12:31:45
Why do the firefighters not just spray them with dye and then the Police could round them up.
10

Spock,

06/11/2009 12:32:41
When caught, these little sods need to be locked up for a short spell in a lonesome cell.

Their parents should be made to lock them in their rooms every bonfire night forever more after that.
11

Unimpressed one,

06/11/2009 12:33:11
2Following guidelines issued by Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue Service to provide as much protection as possible for its crews, the firefighters withdrew and called the police."

The police arrived saw the schemies had big sticks and were calling them names and so they called in the army. Meanwhile the army had their hands full in Afghanistan...
12

Unimpressed one,

06/11/2009 12:34:25
#10, A short spell in Helmand province might be nicer for them.
13

Paula McGuire,

06/11/2009 12:45:45
I actually seen a bunch of kids throwing fireworks last night. What parent would let their kids get a hold of fireworks? Anyway Well done to the firefighters.
14

Incandescent,

06/11/2009 12:50:55
#9 "Why do the firefighters not just spray them with dye and then the Police could round them up."

Excellent idea, that could only be improved by the addition of Tabasco dispenser to the moth of the hose.
15

caramel wafer,

06/11/2009 12:51:56
#10 the parents probably couldnt care less what the kids are doing #9 good idea!!!
16

AlanGS,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 12:53:05
Bring back the Birch!
17

Brian Ferrari,

06/11/2009 12:53:43
I see the self righteous brothers are out to play again...
18

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06/11/2009 12:54:15
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19

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06/11/2009 12:54:45
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20

animmo,

06/11/2009 13:00:48
Or a simpler solution - ban the sale of fireworks full stop. Have organised events, yes, but selling fireworks is just asking for trouble
21

Foo,

06/11/2009 13:01:50
Disgusting.

The people to blame are the parents of these street rats, the police and the politicians who have created this class of thug.

The police should hang their heads in shame at failing to protect their colleagues in the emergency services.

Let's face it, the children are living proof that these parents are not capable of producing children that will be of benefit to society. They are as much a disease on society as murderers and rapists. They should be chemically castrated; their benefits cut, and forced to work for handouts of bread and low grade rice.

The politicians are to blame because they have created this new class. In the past their was upper, middle and working class. Nowadays there's a new class, the underclass. They don't share the values of the working class; they don't work, they are destructive, criminally active and able to reproduce at an alarming rate because we are stupid enough to pay them to breed. This has to stop. The dole should only be available to people who have worked, or have recently left school or Uni. The long term unemployed should immediately have their benefits cut and left to starve. If they have children not yet having gone through puberty, take them away to state run homes where they can be taught the rules of living in a society.
22

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06/11/2009 13:02:20
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23

Foo,

06/11/2009 13:04:09
20

I wondered how long it would take for someone to call for fireworks to be banned...

"The crew was responding to reports of a malicious fire set on open ground at Laurel Bank Place in Mayfield, Dalkeith, at around 10:20pm."

...and all the other incidents reported in the paper were fires, not firework incidents. What good would banning fireworks do? It's neds with matches that cause the problems, are you also calling for matches to be banned?
24

Eugene Fraxby,

06/11/2009 13:07:50
Enough of this froth-spewing, everyone. Calm down. Have a jam doughnut and listen to your iPod for awhile. Because nobody is really that interested in your invective.
25

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:12:23
Turn the hoses on them every time. If they complain to the police tell the cops that they ran in front of the hose.
26

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06/11/2009 13:15:19
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27

Davy,

Those without sin 06/11/2009 13:32:17
# 4 Pond Hall
Oh I see they didn’t stone the fire fighters, they stoned the fire engines. I picked up the headline all wrong. Thank you for pointing this out. Yes I agree birch them, skelp there bums, ground them, no pocket money and keep them off the school. That should sort out the youths of our fine nation. The good thing is no fire fighters were injured. The sad thing is the parents are more than likely, ages with our selves.
Those without sin, may cast the first stone.
28

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:39:10
#21 foo
wee bit ott there m8. whislt i agree in priciple with you the actions you are suggesting are a bit draconian. yes its the parents to blame in a big way but! (theres always a but eh?) say you have a 14 yr old at home, they behave well and do well at school, do you REALLY know what they are up to when they go out? the answer has been said many times in this forum, hose them,whether with dye for ident purposes or hose them with high pressure but from a reasonable distance. soaking wet,cold night=they go home!list d schools should be re-instated a detention centres re-opened,short sharp punishment, judges should be made (as in job description) to live and see the real streets, enough of the clap trap thats used in our legal system. plain talking and simple sentences.kids today think they rule, sadly girls are worse! as a police friend told me and i quote " kids are bulletproof" how sad is this society we live in? when i was young we were brought up with respect for elders,speak when spoken to and if you were silly enough to do something wrong!! ouch.slipper over the bum!grounded for a week etc. belt at the school and you didnt dare tell your parents you got the belt cause you would get it again.open doors for elders, stand up on a bus to let elders sit.what happened to these values? since we joined that eu, hmmmm human rights etc and mamby pamby ultra left wing socialworkers who are not worth anything other than do their job wrongly!sorry for ranting on too much but this subject really ruffles my feathers the wrong way.
29

SPL,WORLDCLASS MANAGER,CHAMPIONSLEAGUE,RONALDINHO ,

06/11/2009 13:39:31
*9
Cant spray them with water as the Firefighters would be disciplined by the brigade and possibly charged with assault by the police.
They are instructed to withdraw and nothing else until the police arrive.
The little sh!ts know their rights and how far they can go.
30

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 06/11/2009 13:52:26
#29
yeah thats quite correnct sadly, so isnt it time the law was changed to protect the innocent rather than the perpetrators?
31

jambo1,

Rotherham 06/11/2009 13:52:47
WESTER HAILES, TYPICAL, BUNCH OF BRAINDEAD MUPPETS (some of them) I hope that these dasbards won't need the firefighters service in the future, if you have the brains to read this, you will know who you are, thank christ that none of the firefighters were injured
32

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06/11/2009 14:02:34
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33

Cod,

06/11/2009 14:06:27
Bob Dylan had the best solution. "Everybody must get stoned".
34

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 14:11:52
#21 Foo - I hope that post is a wind up looking for a reaction/banter as opposed to what you really think?

I would also say ban fireworks and matches. Mind you, round my way there has been less of the 'constant fireworks for 2 weeks' malarky like there used to be.
35

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 14:16:01
Everyone seems to agree it's the parents to blame, which it is. But society creates the parents, so surely it's society, and specifically capitlist society, and therefore all of us, who are ultimately to blame.

Capitalism is respnosible for firemen getting stoned.
36

Cod,

06/11/2009 14:19:04
EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED
37

Davy,

Mexican drug cartel 06/11/2009 14:32:22
#35 rob hadnum
Right on brother, or should I say comrade. Stalin did the Will of the People that is why he was the biggest winner of World War 2. It’s part of my job with British secret service to say that. It’s hard to believe, but true. As for them being stoned, the information I have here, is a Mexican drug cartel was responsible.
38

caramel wafer,

06/11/2009 14:32:38
The politicians are to blame because they have created this new class. In the past their was upper, middle and working class. Nowadays there's a new class, the underclass. They don't share the values of the working class; they don't work, they are destructive, criminally active and able to reproduce at an alarming rate because we are stupid enough to pay them to breed. This has to stop. The dole should only be available to people who have worked, or have recently left school or Uni. The long term unemployed should immediately have their benefits cut and left to starve. If they have children not yet having gone through puberty, take them away to state run homes where they can be taught the rules of living in a society

well said!!!!
39

Gordon Smiths 364,

Tunisia 06/11/2009 14:35:04
#35

"therefore all of us, who are ultimately to blame"

It wisnae me, I wiz in Tunisia, honest guv.
40

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 14:40:07
37 - If you are with the secret service I am saying no more. You could probably stream into my PC and plant evidence that I'm involved in organised crime. What they can do with computers now is amazing, having just watched a series of '24' it is scary.
41

Davy,

hard drive now wiped, comrade. 06/11/2009 15:12:45
#40 rob hadnum
Everything is cool your PC is now clean, hard drive now wiped, comrade.
Grandparents, the system should now target them. After all they brought the parents up. Community service, for all grandparents. If they don’t co-operate no pension. End result a safe fire service, problem solved.
42

Al Pacino,

06/11/2009 15:20:39
Why does that Foo idiot think the police (who would have been dealing with some other little idiots elsewhere, obviously) should hang their heads in shame. If there's no one free, there's no one free.Coppers don't grow on trees and i reckon it only takes one busy night and they'll all be busy. So what then, a magic wand? Fool.
43

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 06/11/2009 15:22:17
#40 - if he really was in the secret service he wouldn't tell us. Its in the rules.
44

Mr Tesco,

06/11/2009 15:27:27
catch the kids/people that are causing these mindless acts and like in other countries if crime is commited chop off their hands.
I`d like to see them try & light a lighter, strike a match or throw a brick then.
Mind you that would probably just increase the video`s being sent to 'you've been framed' or 'youtube'.

Ive no patience for these yobs of today.

When i were a lad, we did our mischief out of sight!. ahh them were the days!!! the abandoned railway, tarzan's, neighbour`s greenhouses, midnight runs through the gardens.. all harmless fun..
45

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 16:15:16
43 - doh, right enough, he had me fooled too.

44 - wee bit extreme no? Some muslim nations cut off hands as a punishment for stealing, but we have less hardline punishments in this country. Go on, bet you've stolen something at sometime in your life, no matter how small? It's a horrific and greusome thing. Imagine having that done for nicking that packet of fruit pastels when you were 10!

Mayfield, Sighthill, Wester Hailes. It's all disadvantaged areas? How come not Morningside, Corstorphine, The Braids?
46

Davy,

The cause of the problem 06/11/2009 16:38:04
#44 Mr Tesco
An outrages comment to make those kids are our countries future., Midnight runs through the gardens smashing up your neighbour`s greenhouses.. All harmless fun...eh.
The mind can only boggle a wee jail sentence would have done you the world of good. We wonder where we have went wrong. I will not be going back to Tesco’s.
47

The Breakfast Blob,

Elsewhere 06/11/2009 17:13:20
Turn the hoses on them . It'll be the first wash the half of these manky little b''''''''''s will have had in weeks.
48

Foo,

06/11/2009 17:17:39
42 Al Pacino

Perhaps they were busy, perhaps they were eating Greggs. Without hard facts, we've no way of knowing. however I can base my opinion on my past experience. And that is that the police simply do not want to know.

You say Police don't grow on trees. Correct, hence the second part of my statement criticising politicians.

Thus, we have an underclass running amok unchecked.

34 rob hadnum. No offence mate, I think you're a young man with his head screwed on, but you can't have, at your age, experienced the year on year misery brought on by these thugs. Particularly when it's your, not your mum and dads, money and hard graft that's gone into what they so happily destroy. Or your children they terrorise. You get the picture?

I'm not suggesting punishing the poor. I'm suggesting doing what other countries do which is to not pay families to breed unchecked. These people have not the wit or gumption to raise a socially well adjusted individual. Perhaps if they were more worried about their next meal than their next bottle of white lightning they'd work to help themselves.

At 18, you'd have been 6 when the present lot came to power, probably too young to remember the promises they were making. They have destroyed us as a society.
49

The real dracula,

06/11/2009 17:43:08
Spraying them with the hose or dye is an excellent idea , that'd ruin their burberry tops and kappa trainers .
They really should do something otherwise these little scrotes will just carry on.

If it was one of mine Id tan their hide.
50

Mrs Syrah,

06/11/2009 18:23:53
'The attack on a fire crew is totally unacceptable...'

'People don't seem to realise how dangerous their actions are...'

Yes, it's unacceptable but they knew thin was gonna happen on bonfire night. Why weren't they better prepared?
The 'people' who need to understand are wee a---holes who can't even spell Edinburgh let alone understand the consequences of their action.

I like the idea of spraying dye at them but make sure it goes in their eyes.
Anyone for sterilising the nation of chavs while we're at it?
51

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 18:51:44
Why thank you Foo. I reckon you personally like a bit of a wind up but don't necessarily mean some of things you say. But many posters here clearly do.

I'm from a scheme. A single-parent, low income family with many socio-economic issues. I got out. But I've got friends and family who didn't and I can't blame them for their lifestyles.

I've seen first hand that they never had a chance. Trust me, most of you 2.4 children family types have no idea how privileged you are. Don't even start me on the things those of us who you see as chav scum have seen and had to deal with.

So the 'jeremykyleerati' are not pleasant people. On here today though, we've had people wanting to: sterelise them, blind them, cut off their hands. Have a listen to yourselves.

Who is then worse? The chavs or proto-nazi clowns spouting vicious hyperpole on their computers behind a pseudonym?
52

gordon aka smoker and proud,

downtown scumsville 06/11/2009 19:25:54
#51
listen to yourself. no one is saying that there should be "real" hand chopping off, its an acronism,the point that people are trying to put across ( i hasten to add in temper with cause) is that kids today rule the streets, as i said before and i quote from a cop friend "kids are virtually bullet proof" what the hell does that tell you? parents cannot possibly watch every move they make 24/7. thats not pro natzi right wing spouts either, its called common sense and decent morality.i see where foo is coming from and can understand his logic and hurt dare i say, we all (decent parents etc i mean) watch whats happening in our streets and squirm. yes it is time that the politicians did something constructive and its time the streets were safe for normal human beings to walk about in. simple question; do you feel safe walking about say at 10pm? i rest my case.
53

Foo,

06/11/2009 19:30:47
51

Well Rob, I expect it's all about balance. Balance is something that we have not had to date. The decent majority have been pushed and pushed, and if the powers that be do not take care, the majority will shove back.
54

rob hadnum,

06/11/2009 20:03:48
Well, if people don't really mean chopping hands off (etc) why spout it? To me that's just Daily Mail/Middle Englander type right wing garbage.

I suppose if you feel safe at 10pm depends on where you are. Would say I feel perfectly safe in the vast majority of places but not so in some.

Have a good weekend folks.
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RS2,

06/11/2009 20:40:19
yip, its how the kids have been brought up

with total lack of respect

gone are the days when kids were scared of the police.

if they are picked up there parents couldn't give a .......

get them to court, its a pat on the head and behave yourself......and they get free trips to help them with their behaviour


the police, well they are too busy at organised firework displays to catch these loots.


yip as many have said, turn the hoses on them....


rs
56

Duke of Albuera,

uK 06/11/2009 21:44:15
Incinerate the scum.
57

Cassandra,

06/11/2009 23:51:40
#35 rob - I guess that's why Scotland votes labour. Oh, hang on...
58

jock1,

07/11/2009 08:54:48
Throw the scum in the fires...
59

PhillyBorn,

Granton 07/11/2009 11:48:18
Why take insult from kids? Bring the police along, take a few kids back to the station and make the parents pick them up.

 

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