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The latest weapon in booze fight . . queues



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Published Date: 14 May 2008
SHOPPERS face standing in separate supermarket queues to buy alcohol under the latest crackdown on Scotland's drinking culture.
The proposal is being considered by ministers as part of a long-term strategy on alcohol misuse, due to be published shortly.

Individual checkouts in stores for buying alcohol already exist in Ireland, and are designed to reduce the spontaneous purchase of drink – in the same way that cigarettes are sold separately.

Edinburgh's outgoing drugs and alcohol tsar, Tom Wood, has told city councillors that he expects to see ideas like this in a new national strategy, and government sources today confirmed that it was one option being considered.

In a wide-ranging speech, Mr Wood – a former Lothian and Borders deputy chief constable – also told councillors that the "drunken Scotsman" had become the country's "national brand".

"We used to be known for our engineering, but now we are known as a nation of party-goers," he said.

"Drug-taking and heavy alcohol use is normal in many parts of society in our city."

Mr Wood said the way to tackle Scotland's drinking culture was to get the price of drink right – not too high or low – as well as restricting the availability of alcohol.

"Alcohol should not be like bread and milk and sold at every corner shop," he said.

"We've got to consider the over-supply – sometimes there are shops selling alcohol on three of the four corners of an Edinburgh street."

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has already proposed a ban on cut-price promotions in off-licences, urged tough action on licensed premises which sell to underage drinkers and persuaded MSPs to back stricter controls on the display of alcohol in shops and supermarkets.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said today: "This Government has already passed regulations to bring in separate display areas for alcohol when the Licensing Act comes fully into force in September 2009, to remind people that alcohol is not an everyday product like milk or bread.

"We are currently working on a longer term strategic approach to tackling our culture of alcohol misuse and will bring forward proposals for consultation this summer. At this stage nothing is ruled either in or out."

But Graham Bell, spokesman for the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said more regulation in shops was not the best way forward, and said separate checkouts "won't work".

"Alcohol is the most destructive drug in Scotland, and the issue should be about educating people and promoting healthy lifestyles – not about further restrictions or putting us into separate queues," he said.

"The carrot is always better than the stick. People are more likely to engage with something which offers support."

The Government's long-term alcohol strategy will look at a range of issues such as availability, accessibility and age of purchase.

Ministers are unlikely to push for a general raising of the current 18 age limit because they believe drinking in the controlled surroundings of a pub or hotel is not such a problem.

But a higher age limit of 21 on buying alcohol from off-licences and supermarkets is seen as a way of helping to tackle the problem of binge-drinking and antisocial behaviour.


The full article contains 537 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 May 2008 10:50 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:05:08
FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE RID OF THESE NAZIS?

What the hell do they mean by imposing these stupid, inane restrictions on all of us because a few morons cannot behave themselves and the police cannot be bothered to enforce the law?

Why do the people of Scotland stand for this rubbish?
2

alex paterson,

At the moment in Sevilla 14/05/2008 12:07:40
Easy remedy to that is to send the wife,and dont come back without drink,and the polis are a nation of party poopers.
3

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 12:10:19
Wahahahaha. Oh ho ho ho ho ho. Wahahaha.
4

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 12:11:03
Its also illegal to purchase booze with your troosers doon.
5

SDRAWKCAB,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:11:40
They should just have a seperate buckfast isle in the shops.
6

Scotish Exile,

14/05/2008 12:13:41
Well Mr Wood the outgoing drugs n alcahol Tsar's tenure has been a roaring success....is this the best he can come up with? blame the shops that sell it, very clever, why not target the minority of jakeys and neds that drink to excess and cause trouble?
7

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 14/05/2008 12:20:39
#1, I don't think calling people 'Nazis' helps your case.
8

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 12:21:08
I guess this just goes to show how impötent the scottish parliament really is . More piddling about round the edges.
9

calum,

14/05/2008 12:21:43
So Mr. Wood thinks that there are too many retail outlets on street corners, that drug taking is normal in certain parts of the city, that there is too much availability .......
Is this the same Mr. Wood who, when he was Deputy Chief Constable Mr. Wood, failed to object robustly to too many licences, who proposed cannabis cafes, who failed to deal properly with law enforcement of licences and now he is retiring from his retirement job, wants all these things put right?!?! Can the citizens of Edinburgh please have their money back, then?
10

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 12:36:11
Has anything changed since this "booze war" was announced ? Anything at all ?
11

20something,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 12:37:13
I think everywhere should have a separate counter for anyone who wants to pay by cheque. If they still accept them. I HATE CHEQUES.
12

gods lovechild,

14/05/2008 12:38:49
#1 three simple words will answer your question

NEW WORLD ORDER !!!!!
One superpower with one world leader that has ultimate control over the human race where everything about us will be contained on a microchip. They will know every bank transaction you ever make and where you are at all times.If you cause any trouble they will cut off your chip.
13

Edinburghs Finest,

14/05/2008 13:57:06
Copper - "Anything you do say will be taken down"

Drunk - "Ma Trooosers"

14

badger464,

14/05/2008 13:57:13
oops, i was only going for a loaf of bread and i've come back with six cans of stella and a half bottle of bells, silly me
15

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 13:59:17
#1 Moronic attitudes don't help deal with the generation of teenagers that now has alarmingly high levels of permanent liver damage. Despite alarmist reporting and boorish comments such as yours, no-one is proposing to curtail our rights to have a legal drink or indeed get drunk. What the government is trying to do is stop the harmful use of alcohol - which is thankfully beyond the comprehension of most people - but unfortunately afflicts many of the young, poor or marginalised people in Scotland today.
16

The Judge,

14/05/2008 14:04:36
Tom Wood has been a waste of money from day one. This is a man who failed when he was with the police, has continued to fail when he was given the job of "drugs & alcohol tsar".

In most corner shops there is already a couple of tills all they'll have to do is use one for drink, no more staff needed, not much hassle for the shop owner, supermarkets will just move a till nearer to the drink aisle.

If the police like Tom Wood actually did the job they are paid to do we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

Enjoy your massive state funded pension Tom, no doubt you won't be staying in the city.

17

The_Doctor,

In the queue 14/05/2008 14:11:18
Great idea to target drinking...not. Removes any chance of the drunks getting some food in their stomach before they go on their bender.

The only people this will impact on is normal shoppers, who will be inconvenienced as they attempt to do their weekly shop.

Won't bother the jakies at all. They will just forego the food completely, and move straight to the drink checkout. Meanwhile those of us wanting to buy a bottle of wine to go with our food will have to stand in line twice.
18

badger464,

14/05/2008 14:14:15
its incredible that some people believe that some people don't know that excess isn't good for you, if you have too much of anything you get ill if you have way too much you die its as simple as that
19

Angus R,

14/05/2008 14:17:47
Will seperate queues apply to online shopping also?
20

The Judge,

14/05/2008 14:19:09
I doubt it'll make much difference to the person buying a bottle of wine or a dozen cans with their weekly shop. As I said there would be a checkout at the drinks aisle much like the cigarette counter now. You don't see people run back to their car with a 20 pack, then continue their shop. It'll be like an off licence within a shop.
21

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14/05/2008 14:19:41
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whitepuddinsupper,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 14:20:39
#1 totally agree

Part of growing up is discovering when youve had enough and you have too have too much by definition.
However many youngsters believe that to have a good night out one has to get totally a**holed and peer pressure is a major factor. If any attitudes need changing its that one and pubs that sell cheap booze targeted at these customers have a big responsibility. Have a look at the advertising outside pubs down lothian road. They are actively encouraging this type of binge drinking. Not one mention of these establishments in the article though.
23

subrosa,

14/05/2008 14:30:49
If they stopped issuing alcohol licences to every street corner shop that would help for a start. We must be the most over-supplied country in Europe with the amount of alcohol outlets. It's not the supermarkets to blame as they police alcohol purchase reasonably well from my observations. Just halt the endless stream of licences. Yes of course it will affect the income of some wee shops but many started up with the fundamental aim of selling drink to begin with.
24

vote them out,

14/05/2008 14:43:04

Charge more for booze and spend it on more trams.

Booze is a good place to raise tax - you only pay alot if you drink alot.

People who drink alot tend to have unhealthy lives so the NHS has to look after them more. So it makes sense that they should pay more.

Large increases in the price of booze at ALL outlets will deter kids from using it as a cheap night out under a bridge or in a park.

More expensive booze means fewer drunken nights out for trouble makers that take up police time. The increased tax revenue could also be used to pay for the police.


25

Big Aggie,

14/05/2008 14:50:00
They could always adopt the system they have in Canada. The only place you can buy booze of any description (in Ontario at least) is at a government- licensed outlet that only sells alcohol. ID's are checked before any purchase and drunks need not apply. Alcohol-related crime is virtually zero and you never see drunks on the streets.
26

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 14:52:44
25 totally agree Aggie but they havent got the power or the political will to do it.
27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 15:09:41
"Consider yourself lucky sir , next time its your bare airse in the paper"
28

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 14/05/2008 15:15:13
okay lets get this in perspective, 1st, smoking ban, pubs emptied, supermarkets and corner shops making a fortune so they can sell cheaper, more drinking at home (for the moment). when are people going to realise that we are taxed to the hilt, highest in europe and fleesed every minute of everyday by both governments.ok, lets ban cigs altogether, ban booze (well if i cant have my legal smoke then you should'nt have your booze!) then whats the governments goin to tax? fresh air? waken up. scare tactics,over paid er*e in job that means nothing, government advisors that live in cuckoo land and judges that have about as much idea of life as a deed parrot! where is this thing that we stand up for (hahahahahahahaha) called our freedom of choice? my choice is i wanna smoke i want to have a drink either in my house or the pub oh and i dont want bl00dy bbc either
29

Look on the Bright side,

14/05/2008 15:58:51
Which queue do I get in?
30

Look on the Bright side,

14/05/2008 16:00:38
What about a seperate queue for buying beans? They produce methane and harm the environment, isn't there a case to highlight the ones that are contributing to global warming? That's make them think twice about having sausage, beans and chips.
31

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 16:18:28
In all seriousness can you imagine HOW BAD its going to get trying to checkout in Scotmid ? I mean its extremely bad at the moment.

Will Check Ten agnes be on the booze or the Pot Noodles ?
32

piper,

14/05/2008 16:22:07
what if there is only 1 till in the shop seperate opening hours for different items mr wood you must come from another planet get a life
33

Adolf Crosby,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 16:34:18

#7 - I don't think the name 'mr crisps' helps your case. Most youngsters start out on crisps n lemo, then a few years later they're onto the cheap cider and bingo tabs
34

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 16:35:20
Shades of Prohibition!! Come back Al Capone, all is forgiven.

Anyway Government forcing this kind of nanny state legislation on the general population is committing political suicide.

Punish (effectively) the offensive/aggressive drinkers, but for God's Sake, leave the rest of us alone.
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/05/2008 16:36:50
Get THESE POLES out Oor Country they are interfering with our rights to get steamin.

etc.
36

Scotish Exile,

14/05/2008 16:38:03
"wait 'til we get you in the van young man...... it will be the love truncheon for you
37

rozzerwatch2 ,

14/05/2008 16:48:18
A lot of sensible observations about the Alcohol Tsar. When Tom Wood was the Deputy Chief Constable, wasn't it he who reported to the Licensing Committee of the Council about applications for licences and breaches of licensing conditions? Surely he could have objected then about too many pubs, off sales, entertainment licences, special events etc. etc.. It would be safe to presume that his silence then has resulted in an over provision now.
Equally, his role as the Alcohol Tsar has brought him into conflict with the Council because he is, after all, a Council employee and no-one is going to contradict the Council or tell Councillors where to get off if they are the paymaster.
I'm afraid his comments above are far too little, far too late and he has become just another mouthpiece with something to say to the media before he retires and becomes a plain old "used to be a Big Shot" who'd be better endorsing patio blinds.
38

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 16:56:16
#37 rozzerwatch2

Watch out rozzerwatch2, Tom might whack you with his Masonic apron.


39

Look on the Bright side,

14/05/2008 16:59:43
Mind you, if the headline picture is anything to go by they shouldn't be letting people in to buy alchohol with their trousers around their ankles. They've ahd enough to drink already.
40

Saloux,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 17:53:10
Absolutely spot on #1 - who the heck do these clowns think they are - they are not happy unless they are trying to stick their big noses into everyone elses lives - BECAUSE THEY KNOW BEST!!. Why on earth do we stand by and accept this utter crap.

As for what Canada and other countries do - who gives a monkeys - this is Scotland and we want to live our lives with minimal input from the nanny state - fat chance.
41

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 14/05/2008 17:58:33
Maybe technology can help:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7397454.stm

They could also use this to run an efficient Pubwatch scheme where once someone has been banned from one pub, they're banned from buying booze anywhere...
42

UmeåJambo,

Sweden 14/05/2008 20:31:43
Hahahaha! Stop moaning you lot!

Try living in Sweden, you can only but 2.5% or maximum 3.5% lager in the supermarkets here, ANYTHING else, Beer, Wine or Spirits has to be bought in the state run Systembolaget. You must have an ID card with a Swedish personal number on it, or if you are not Swedish you must have a photo ID, no matter if you are 18 or 118 you have to show it, and it gets a barcode scan no matter. No ID, you get nowt.

You also have to have the ID for the ferrets pash beer in the supermarket too.

So glad I don't drink, seen so many people refused because they had no ID, and Systembolaget has security guards on the doors too!
43

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 20:50:24
This is the SNP at their best - pensioners and others are being abused, attacked, and murdered on a daily basis - the youth of Scotland are running amok because their is no punishment - and all Salmond is concerned with is creating separate counters for booze in the supermarket. Any clown that voted for these idiots should hang his head in shame - roll on the next election!!
44

is it me?,

14/05/2008 21:54:37
Supermarkets don't sell cigarettes at kiosks for social/moral reasons.
It's to remove the shoplifting probability.
Think about it. Open a packet and say you came in with it.
Do these people think we're all fools?
45

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14/05/2008 22:14:50
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46

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/05/2008 22:36:43
Why is this guy known as the "drugs and alcohol tzar"?

What next, the buses and transport secretary?

In case you Labour ministers didn't realise, alcohol is a drug.

#12 God's lifechild,
"If you cause any trouble they will cut off your chip."

Sounds a bit extreme.
47

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/05/2008 22:43:20
#42, UmeåJambo

That sounds like an excellent system, one which I've championed for a long time. ID cards for drinkers. That way you can exclude all the @rseholes who cause trouble when drunk. I bet you don't have the same level of drink related crime over there.

Don't know about the low strength lagers though. That's taking things a bit far.
48

Pond Hall,

14/05/2008 22:46:54
great idea....simpler stop selling booze in "food stores"

Our local co-op is a joke..they call it a CO-OP food store...but the biggest space is given up to, well guess...Drink

you can buy almost every variety of wine, beers and spirits...but wont some basics like Bread ...well don't leave it too late in the day.

Or sell only to people with a credit card,../that would get under age purchases down
49

Pond Hall,

14/05/2008 22:48:36
no 1 high octane

have a look around and you'll find that in the real world ...drinking is a serous problem on many streets.
50

Pond Hall,

14/05/2008 22:49:35
good comment no15
51

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/05/2008 22:52:29
#48 Pond Hall,

My alcohol ID card idea would solve the underage drinkers problem as well...or they could always just ask anyone who looks under 21 for general ID and close down any shop which disregards this.
52

Adolf Crosby,

Leningrad 14/05/2008 23:14:09
"Drugs and alcohol Tsar"

Ha - the Russian monarchy were more into vodka than Boris Yeltsin, for fuccs sake
53

Adolf Crosby,

Leningrad 14/05/2008 23:14:58
"Drugs and alcohol Tsar"

Ha - the Russian monarchy were more into vodka than Boris Yeltsin, for fuccs sake
54

James (1),

15/05/2008 00:02:09
Tom Wood abused his position as Deputy Chief Constable and the reason for this was that he could. Who would stand up to him? Nobody! He then stepped into his current position because it was not advertised and therefore the only applicant got the job.

He failed to sort out the drug problem while Deputy Chief Constable and he is nothing if not consistent because he has taken a huge salary and STILL not sorted out the drug problem.
It will be interesting to see where he moves to next. We will need to wait and see because the job will not be advertised.
55

Cassandra,

15/05/2008 00:41:38
Great! When I do my weekly shop, I won't have to queue behind all these folk just buying food!

Seriously, though, is it such a problem? I remember in the 80s & early 90s it was standard practice in supermarkets to have a separate booze section, where you had to queue again. You also used to not be able to buy booze before 10am or midday on Sunday. And we all survived.
56

Julian,

EDINBURGH 15/05/2008 06:26:36
#55,

Why not just ban it altogether, we'd all still survive.

Or we could always just target those inadequate individuals who drink and cause trouble and underage drinkers.
57

UmeåJambo,

Sweden 15/05/2008 07:29:10
I think Systembolaget is a great idea, if you are not aged to buy the stuff, you can't get it.

If someone else buys it for youngsters and they are found sozzled in the street by the police with a crate of alchopops all the police have to do is go to Systembolaget and get them to check the barcodes to see who bought it, than chase them up. Not likely it was nicked out of their car because crime is a lot lower here. Iv'e never seen any kids blootered in the street here like I do back home.

Not many Jakeys over here!
58

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 10:08:52
#42 & #57 UmeåJambo

I used to believe (obviously incorrectly) that Sweden is a democracy. Your system sounds like pure Nazism.

Sorry, but Sweden has just gone right off my list of countries to visit.

No wonder all the Swedes I have encountered here get absolutely plastered while in the UK.

By all means lets have I/D cards for those who might be over 18 but appear younger and as I said in an earlier posting, punish offensive, violent and aggressive drinkers effectively.

Leave the rest of us alone.


59

Julian,

EDINBURGH 15/05/2008 14:46:56
#58 Peter,

We supposedly do punish these troublemakers but it seems to make no diference. The city centre is as bad as ever. Best idea is to stop them buying the stuff in the first place, but how do you do that without id cards?
60

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 15/05/2008 15:05:33
#59 Julian,

"how do you do that without id cards?"

Julian,

Please read my post again, I do not suggest that there shouldn't be I/D cards for those fortunate enough to be just over 18 and who appear younger.

For the rest of the population it is not necessary and I find the Swedish system (which I was unaware of until reading this article) to be nothing short of dictatorial and an imposition upon civil liberties.


 

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