Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

 
 
Saturday, 4th July 2009 Change Date

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the Edinburgh Evening News site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Terror search powers abused



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date:
05 February 2008
POLICE officers claim they are being threatened with the sack if they do not hit "targets" for the number of people stopped and searched under anti-terror laws.
Two serving British Transport Police (BTP) officers have told the News of increasing pressure to undertake the searches brought in after last year's attack on Glasgow Airport attack, with at least 30-a-day at city train stations.

The insiders claim that officers are being given unofficial daily targets by supervisors. And they have told how the searches were diverting them from other roles.

They also claim officers have:

• Resorted to stopping schoolboys, pensioners and even priests to make up the numbers.

• Been told to take names from the phone book where people have not given their personal details.

• Been warned they will face disciplinary action if they do not stop enough people.

In one apparent internal e-mail passed to the News – which the whistleblowers claim was sent to all senior Scottish BTP officers across Scotland from a Glasgow-based Inspector Vincent Smith – the importance of ensuring officers are carrying out the searches is stressed after just ten people were stopped in one day across the whole country.

It states: "(Assistant Chief Constable] Pacey has indicated officers not complying with his instructions will be moved from their posts or even disciplined to the level of losing their jobs."

The BTP today said that it had no record of this specific e-mail but admitted that Insp Smith and ACC Pacey had sent a number of e-mails encouraging officers to carry out their duties under the anti-terror laws. It also insisted no "specified targets" existed.

Politicians and campaign groups said the claims raised serious human rights issues.

One of the officers, who asked to not be named, said: "This has really affected morale and I know a lot officers are uncomfortable with what seems to be a near obsession with stop and search.

"At the start of the shift, officers are told by supervisors 'I need you to do say five or six today' and questions are asked if you're not achieving this. My worry is they seem to be using them as fishing exercises for other things like drugs and weapons but using terrorism laws as a catch-all power."

He said several officers had raised objections to the prolific use of the powers, which has seen over 4000 people stopped at Haymarket and Waverley stations since last July.

The officer added: "You have officers stopping grannies or 15-year-old children and it is just embarrassing. They are so focused on keeping the numbers up and making sure the paperwork is up to date. People have been told to just get names out of the phone book so forms are completed."

Independent Lothians MSP Margo MacDonald said: "I have no objection to intelligence-led stop and searches but I am appalled at the idea officers are working to some sort of quota.

"I will be pressing the justice minister to see if he is aware of this matter and to see if he will pass on my concerns to the UK Government."

A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: "If these claims are true then it is disturbing."

Cabinet Secretary for Justice Kenny MacAskill said: "I've already had a very useful meeting with ACC David McCall and others from BTP where I expressed my concerns about the high use of stop and search under section 44 of the Terrorism Act.

"I welcomed their decision to undertake a review on their use of these powers and look forward to seeing the BTP's findings."

A BTP spokesman said: "We have not seen the e-mail you state was sent by Inspector Smith on 27 July 2007. We are aware he has sent a number of e-mails in respect of Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 encouraging officers to carry out their duties. He has also clearly stated that there are no specified targets.

"ACC Pacey, who has responsibility for ensuring counter terrorism policing is carried out effectively throughout the rail network, has also said it must be treated seriously."


CONTROVERSIAL POWERS

THE special stop and search powers were introduced across the UK in the wake of the attempted terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport in June.

The powers allow officers to search anyone at random and seize anything that may be used in connection with terrorism.

They have proved so contentious because statistics obtained by the News last year showed people from some ethnic minorities have a higher chance of being stopped than the city's predominantly white population.

Also, Scotland's other eight police forces used the powers for a brief period after the Glasgow attacks but did not seek to extend their use, ruling they were "no longer proportionate".

The full article contains 810 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 05 February 2008 1:26 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

alex paterson,

embra 05/02/2008 12:08:53
Security is one thing and no doubt a must,but Smith & Pacey are going a bit to heavy handed about it,they sound like outlaws themselves,Smith&Pacey.
2

Duncan in Edinburgh,

05/02/2008 12:13:24
Having been stopped twice myself within a month I can confirm that they are doing well at meeting their quotas!

I have no doubt it is a pointless exercise as far as terrorism prevention is concerned - apart from anything else they ask if you have time, and if you say no they let you go - hmm, what would a terrorist do?

But equally it may be functioning as a fishing exercise to spot other criminality. In which case, it is an abuse of these powers which are specifically for terrorism prevention.
3

Billy Effluvia,

Hajdúböszörmény, Hungary 05/02/2008 12:29:43
What freedoms are we actually defending in this "war" on terrorism?
4

steve 1511,

aberdeen 05/02/2008 12:40:11
the british transport police controlled by the labour government from london, no surprise the abuse of powers when they allow their own m p to be bugged
5

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 12:42:08
"There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face …for ever.
6

KTCB41,

05/02/2008 12:50:01
The georgraphic Police Forces of Scotland, the ones accountable to local people via their Police Board have decided they do not need the Stop and Search powers of Section 44.
The British Transport (Railway) Police have decided they do.
One assumes that the decision, taken by Lothian and Borders Police, that these powers are not needed is based on intelligence and risk assessments. Similary one would assume that the decision, taken by the Transport Police, that these powers are needed is similarly based on intelligence and risk assessments.

The problem seems to be the lack of any proper link between the BTP force and the local communities it should serve. That is a problem for all of us but perhaps in the long term for BTP the most, a problem it seems to show no intrest in addressing.
7

,

05/02/2008 12:58:43
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
8

Arrow,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 12:59:54
#5 could have been written by Bin Laden himself (rather than Orwell) or some religious nut that promotes suicide bombers (not for themselves you understand because they are too important) . remeber always that it was in relation to Orwell hatred of the Communist Party and his fear of the UK sinking into another Soviet that 1984 was penned. now we have some people in the UK suggesting that we have religious laws taking precendence or that their own group should be judged by themselves and not adhere to UK law. keep searching. these days you cannot even trust mentally challenged people not to have been given some device and that is then blown up by remote control rather have to pull the pin themselves. i am glad that bomber in Isreal was nailed before he could blow himself up. and then those kids handing out sweets and flowers to celebrate the bombing.
i then hear an MP who was allegedly bugged saying that he was "speaking for his people". i thought he might have spoken for the British people instead of potential traitor and bombers.
9

alex patersons English teacher,

05/02/2008 13:08:59
7.
Alex told me about these pensioners of war,geneva convention,right on.
10

sceptic,

05/02/2008 13:30:42
"Terror search powers abused"
SURPRISE! SURPRISE!
11

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

05/02/2008 13:47:55
8.

There is no such place as "Isreal"? There is, though, a country called "Israel," which you might be interested in.

I wonder what other factual inaccuracies might appear in your post. Or actually, I don't.
12

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

05/02/2008 13:48:24
And yes, I know about the rogue question mark in my post.
13

James (1),

05/02/2008 14:08:39
A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: "If these claims are true then it is disturbing."
If the sun rises in the morning this group find it disturbing.
The Human Rights Act has caused more grief than it has prevented. Every criminal and their aunty use it to get off.
It is a money maker for lawyers. Not that they would abuse the system of course.
14

,

05/02/2008 14:35:16
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
15

,

05/02/2008 15:35:40
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
16

,

05/02/2008 15:48:53
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
17

reader,

Edinburgh 05/02/2008 15:57:18
On a related issue, two weeks ago I checked out the left luggage at Waverley Station and found it costs £6 (!) per piece, including small day packs. When I complained about this excessive charge the guy at the information desk babbled on about Osama bin Laden... Again, terrorism as a justification to screw the public.
18

Duncan in Edinburgh,

05/02/2008 16:11:17
#15 "all terrorists are Muslims"
#16 "everywhere you have Muslims you have trouble"

How the hell do either of you type when you don't seem to have the capacity for rational thought? I despair, I really do.
19

SPG,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 16:17:07
#14 The police must search all motorists for cars immediatly.
20

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/02/2008 16:27:00
It's great to see that one police force is doing what's it is paid to do. It's a pity other police forces do not take up similar initiatives. L&B officers could be forced to arrest 20 criminals a day per officer - anyone failing to achieve their target is sacked on the spot - that will sort out the lazy idle police officers. Nice to see the Parking Attendants working hard too. I looked out my window at 4.45am this morning to see an attendant ticketing a car parked on double red lines - obviously another car driver who thinks he is above the law - well done attendants!
21

the harp,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 16:32:36
BTP are the most bombed mainland police force outside of the metropolitan police .so maybe if this power was available years ago then this would not have been the statistic that it is today
22

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/02/2008 17:29:34
#20 Tony

You should be thankful there are no pro-active mental health officers with targets to reach working in Gorgie.
23

The Judge,

05/02/2008 18:45:11
• Been told to take names from the phone book where people have not given their personal details.

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the Transport Police contact the local police who can detain the person until they tell you who they are?

Rather a pointless exercise if people refuse to tell you who they are and the transport police just let them go on their merry way.

Sorry but racial profiling is the only way to go, we're not being targeted by OAP or priests.
24

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 05/02/2008 18:51:07
#23 - BTP are full police officers and have the same powers as the 'local police' - ie they can detain any suspect who refuses his details, or is suspected of giving false details. In fact BTP officers are also empowered south of the border as they are given extra training and sworn in in both Scotland and England as police officers. This means the public get better service and more for their money from what they get from the lazy, idle L&B plod.
25

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 05/02/2008 20:50:44
Give them all the power they need, I'd rather live a safe country. We never had all this years ago before all the immigrant population from Pakistan. All the fighting etc in the country seems to stem from they do as they did in their country rather than live by the rules we have in this country.

Im glad there is stop and search and long may it continue. Perhaps then we might get our country back to some kind of safe environment.

I support the police...
26

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 05/02/2008 22:29:05
my mother said the country had gone to hell
27

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 06/02/2008 10:56:07
Yay! Colinton.Mains has discovered the caps lock button!
28

Lynne,

USA 07/02/2008 19:34:48
#8...I thought you might be interested

Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'
Dr Williams says Muslims should have a choice in legal disputes
Dr Williams interview

The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".
Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.
For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.
He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".
'Sensational reporting'
In an exclusive interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, ahead of a lecture to lawyers in London on Monday, Dr Williams argues this relies on Sharia law being better understood.
At the moment, he says "sensational reporting of opinion polls" clouds the issue.
An approach to law which simply said - there's one law for everybody - I think that's a bit of a danger
Dr Rowan Williams
Archbishop of Canterbury

He stresses that "nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that's sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well".
But Dr Williams said an approach to law which simply said "there's one law for everybody and that's all there is to be said, and anything else that commands your loyalty or allegiance is completely irrelevant in the processes of the courts - I think that's a bit of a danger".
29

Lynne,

USA 07/02/2008 19:35:31
continued..

"There's a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law, as we already do with some other aspects of religious law."
'Other loyalties'
Dr Williams added: "What we don't want either, is I think, a stand-off, where the law squares up to people's religious consciences."
HAVE YOUR SAY There is, and should only be, one law which covers all people and to suggest it can be otherwise is to seriously damage our rights Patricia London, UK
"We don't either want a situation where, because there's no way of legally monitoring what communities do... people do what they like in private in such a way that that becomes another way of intensifying oppression inside a community."
The issue of whether Catholic adoption agencies would be forced to accept gay parents under equality laws showed the potential for legal confusion, he said.
"That principle that there is only one law for everybody is an important pillar of our social identity as a western democracy," he said.
"But I think it is a misunderstanding to suppose that means people don't have other affiliations, other loyalties which shape and dictate how they behave in society and that the law needs to take some account of that."
'Custom and community'
Dr Williams noted that Orthodox Jewish courts already operated, and that the law accommodated the anti-abortion views of some Christians.
"The whole idea that there are perfectly proper ways the law of the land pays respect to custom and community, that's already there," he said.
People may legally devise their own way to settle a dispute in front of an agreed third party as long as both sides agree to the process.
Muslim Sharia courts and the Jewish Beth Din which already exist in the UK come into this category.
30

Lynne,

USA 07/02/2008 19:36:08
The country's main Beth Din at Finchley in north London oversees a wide range of cases including divorce settlements, contractual rows between traders and tenancy disputes.
Dr Williams' comments are likely to fuel the debate over multiculturalism in the UK.
Last month, the Bishop of Rochester, the Right Reverend Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said some places in the UK were no-go areas for non-Muslims.
Dr Williams said it was "not at all the case that we have absolute social exclusion".
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm

Published: 2008/02/07 16:55:26 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

31

Sammy25,

23/02/2008 23:50:51
3/ What a very very good question. No idea and no idea why it is claimed that ''the terrorists'' are trying to take them away..
32

Sammy25,

23/02/2008 23:58:20
Lynn. Just for once I agree with you on something. The comment made by the Archbishop of Canterbury is wrong.

Any form of religious law is wrong. The Archbishop of Canterbury is not proposing the re-introduction of C of E church courts. He is not proposing religious law for catholics, buddhists, Hindus, jets or anybody else.

He is just sprouting nonsense designed yet again to 'stir it up' for the Muslims.

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 

Featured Advertising



Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.