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Tartan tat firm signs up for new legal battle



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Published Date: 08 September 2008
TARTAN tat tycoon Gold Brothers are in hot water again after city planners objected to an apparently innocuous new sign on one of the firm's Royal Mile stores.
The company, which owns a dozen stores across Edinburgh and Fife, put the sign up – without planning permission – as part of an overhaul of its Abercrombie Cashmere shop on the High Street.

It may not be bright, bold or tartan, but the black and white sign has made planners see red because it covers the shop's original stonework. They are asking councillors for permission to force the company to remove it.

In their report to this Wednesday's development management sub-committee, planners say the sign is "not of a traditional design".

They complain that it masks the original shop design and cornice details, and that "the masking of this detail with a bland rectangular, timber, fascia board on a historic building is inappropriate."

The report comments that the sign "has an adverse effect on the character and appearance of the listed building, the Old Town Conservation Area and the World Heritage Site".

Matt grey paint which has been used on the shop front will be allowed to stay, however, despite the fact Gold Brothers did not seek planning permission ahead of the change.

Rosemary Mann, of Edinburgh Old Town Association, said: "Shopkeepers should know that they need to apply for planning permission for signs irrespective of what the sign is. If it's a listed building, they should also have applied for listed building consent as well, because they will have drilled holes into historic stone."

Bruce Borthwick, of the Old Town Community Council, added: "Unless there's a very good reason to go ahead with an alteration to a frontage, in general we're very much in favour of retaining as much of the original frontage as possible. Whether there's virtue in putting a wooden facade over original stonework, we would suggest that perhaps they should renovate the original stonework if it is worn."

City centre councillor David Beckett also backed the planners' request to bring the sign down.

He said: "The rules are in place because we've got World Heritage status.

"It is important that if we have got the rules that we enforce them. I definitely support the planning officers. If they are breaking the rules, it does need to be enforced."

It is just the latest row to hit Gold Brothers – Malap, Surinder and Galab Singh and their nephew Dildar.

It is currently involved in a legal dispute over claims that the company is reproducing Isle of Skye tartan without permission and has also been accused of copying the Princess Diana tartan without agreement from her estate.

Gold Brothers also irritated traditional kilt-makers by stocking Chinese-made versions costing just £19.99.

A spokesman for Gold Brothers said its legal team was dealing with the planning issue and declined to comment further.


The full article contains 491 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 September 2008 2:37 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

fresian,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:09:51
Hardly a major issue considering these are the same planners who have not only allowed, but actively proposed the demolition of other buildings in the same street
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:15:00
City Planners,they are just a waste of space,i hope they get to keep the sign.
3

Grumpy,

08/09/2008 12:15:27
Aye (1) - they even permitted that great ugly building at the foot of the High Street to be built - and I'm not talking about The Palace.

Mind you - anything that can get these tartan tat shops under control can only be welcomed - they're such an embarrassment to Edinburgh and to Scotland.
4

john3,

08/09/2008 12:22:17
for once I agree with #1
Unless EN photograph is deceiving it would appear
like there is a witch(or wizard) hunt going on.
5

Uncle Piehead,

Freedonia 08/09/2008 12:26:15

I think the Gold Brothers should make a film of this pesky episode, entitled "McDuck Soup" - that way Groucho Gold, Chico Gold, Harpo Gold, and their nephew Zeppo Gold can get their revenge on these hapless so called 'city planners'.
6

Trams shams,

08/09/2008 12:33:26
I'm surprised they haven't play the race card yet... Oh look at us.. victims! Get the sign down, get the paint off. here's a reason for keeping a things the way they are and not being cheapened!
7

Howard Moon,

08/09/2008 12:34:07
This has to be a joke. There's an old church building literally rotting away round the corner on Blackfriars Street (the one Buddhists wanted to develop I believe), and this lot are whining about a shop front. And actually one of the more tasteful shop fronts you'll find on the High Street.

'They've drilled holes into historic stone' - it sounds like he's talking about Stonehenge or the Giant's Causeway. Where's the perspective?
8

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:58:08
I do not like any of the 'Tartan Tat' shops in the Royal Mile (or anywhere else in the Town), but this is just another example of our tryannical Planning Dept/Building Control throwing its weight around.

#6 Trams shams

Yes, the racist card is probably just about to be played.

9

Uncle Piehead,

Freedonia 08/09/2008 13:04:01

The Gold Brothers didn't think up the trams.

10

Brian Ferrari,

08/09/2008 13:08:20
What is the point of running a tat shop if you're not allowed to make it look tacky?

The sign is in perfect keeping with the rest of this tourist tat street.

"the masking of this detail with a bland rectangular, timber, fascia board on a historic building is inappropriate."

Give it a rest. Please.
11

Howard Moon,

08/09/2008 13:09:49
#10

Thank goodness. Can you imagine having to stand from Leith to the airport listening to an all-bagpipe cover version of The Voice by John Farnham?
12

Trams shams,

08/09/2008 13:25:59
10... The Gold Brothers didn't think up pies either but I bet they'll sell them for a fraction of the amount of laughs your comment get
13

Bill MacD,

08/09/2008 13:34:24
This awful family cares for nothing but its own fat profits. It's ironic that they call one of their knock-off fronts "Heritage of Scotland" when their main activity is to destroy Scottish heritage!
14

Farky,

Scotland 08/09/2008 13:38:52
Get the VAT inspectors in too...!
15

Bob 2,

08/09/2008 13:40:28
council planners = Joke
16

James (1),

08/09/2008 13:47:24
#16 They are in the process of creating our heritage!
We have to change with the times. Cheap tat is the future! Visitors to Edinburgh want to see how we were swamped with cheap junk. They will be able to look back over history and say "years ago before ethnic minorities took over these shops there was quality goods on sale but that changed because they saw a niche in the market and flooded it with tat".
17

Woody47,

08/09/2008 13:55:54
Maybe if these guys didn't keep flaunting the law there would be no problems. Who do they think they are? Laws are there for everyone so what makes them think they are above it?
18

James (1),

08/09/2008 14:03:15
#20 They are not flaunting the law they are just getting on with the process of making money. The council are the ones ignoring the issue and not clamping down on ALL traders who ignore their responisbility.
Great if you can get away with it!
19

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 14:07:45
#20 Woody47

It's not just the guys who are flaunting them law, but their women folk too.

Last week I was standing at the bus stop opposite 'Cashmere' when a huge 4-wheel drive (driven by a large Asian lady) stops on the double-yellow lines and at the bus stop right outside 'Cashmere'. She didn't make any effort to move even when a 35 bus coming up-hill attempted to get into the bus stop. No amount of horn blast and light flashing by the bus driver reulted in her moving until eventually someone from the shop came out and managed to get her to shift.



20

Rap,

08/09/2008 14:08:42
#21 It is likely that someone has reported this breach to the enforcement team so they are duty bound to investigate it. If no-one reports any other planning breachs then they won't get investigated unless they are brought to their attention. And in this case the Gold Brothers are breaking the law.
21

James (1),

08/09/2008 14:26:29
#23 If they are the only people breaking the law in that area then rightly they should be brought into line.
As a punishment they should be made to have the man with the bagpipes (I am loathed to call him a piper)make his noise outside their premises. He is another one who lives by his own rules. Not for him to play in tune, no sir!
22

Rap,

08/09/2008 14:40:30
Mario, why turn this into a race issue when it's not?
23

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08/09/2008 15:03:06
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Rap,

08/09/2008 15:13:16
Fresian, is that methane I smell eminating from your orifice?
And Peter I can only imagine you live in a constant state of loathing of everyone else, because their only aim in live is to cause you, personally, specifically, problems. Because of course there are no other selfish drivers in the whole city apart from the one holding up the number 35 bus.

Get a grip guys. This article was not written to give you an opportunity to vent your twisted little racists thoughts.
25

fresian,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:19:13
Rap, I'm certainly not racist mate, it's just that I have witnessed a fair number of able bodied shop owners abusing the blue badge system. Normally Toyota Avensis, Hi Aces or Mercedes
26

Rap,

08/09/2008 15:22:01
Well report them then! Don't come on here suggesting they must all be Asian, because that IS racist.
27

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:23:40
#28 fresian

No Fresian, this was no Toyota but (I think) a BMW 4-wheel monster.

Didn't see any blue badges (strange I know), some of these folk must be amongst the most unhealthy I have yet to encounter as many do indeed sport blue badges, perhaps it's an epidemic?

28

Neale,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:23:46
But what about the audio assault when you pass any of this nasty chain of shops? I don’t want to get a earful of music out of a loudspeaker pointing outside of the shop. If the music was internal to please their customers I’d have less of an issue with it. Are there no control over this?, otherwise it could become a free-for-all, even banks on George Street could be pumping out their commercials at us.
29

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:25:42
#30 fresian,

Fresian, over at my side of town spotting these (possible abusers) is a hobby, report them and nought gets done.
30

Rap,

08/09/2008 15:48:30
Neale, that's the main thing that winds me up about the touristy shops. I've been told by a helpful community beat officer (a real police man not a CSO)that they have a (very) little power to go in to the shop and have a word, if more than two people complain. They don't have the power to turn it off, but they can ask them to turn it down, change the music, etc. Might be worth a try?
31

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 15:54:48
#35 Rap

I would have thought that the police could have charged the shop under that good old catchall 'Disturbance of the Peace', but they are perhaps reluctant to do that?

32

Mike Hunt,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 16:11:03
#35 & 36, I have reported these shops to the Cooncil's environmental health people (bit of a challenge getting through to the correct person). They told me that if the speaker was inside the shop there was nothing they could do. Also, that the noise is "walk-past" or something, ie, you only hear it when walking past, so it's not bothering you all the time.

Two points arise from this:
1) it bothers ME every time I walk past the shops
2) if the speaker is just outsie the shop, on the threshold, can you get an electric shock if you were to cut the speaker wire?
33

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 16:39:58
#37 Mike Hunt

Mike, I live just off the Royal Mile and I don't hear the music where I am, however, I am reliably informed by some of my pub pals who do live on the Mile in close proximity to these shops that they do hear the music if the volume is high.

Re your 2 points:-

1. I know what you mean and tend to sympathise.
2. If these things are run from the mains then, if you cut the wires, you would receive 2 nasty shocks, one from the equipment and the other from the police who would probably charge you with damaging someone else's property, somewhat ironic nes pas?

34

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/09/2008 16:47:48
deport them for flouting the planning regulations
35

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/09/2008 16:51:28
mind you, these planning regulations etc are archaic & the entire system needs radically overhauled. They are clearly not user friendly & are designed keep more officials than is necessary in employment with the sole object of squeezing as much money out of folk as they possibly can
36

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08/09/2008 16:53:16
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 16:54:43
#40 Mario,

Absolutely spot on, a lot of people here in Edinburgh would agree entirely with what you have just said.

38

Lang Spoon,

Leith 08/09/2008 16:57:07
#37 and 38
If I had the balls I'd snip the speaker leads myself; use electricians insulated snips- no danger!
The noise is a major irritation and an embarrassment to our gracious city.
If anyone else would oblige I'd pay their fine!
39

Rap,

08/09/2008 16:59:27
Instead of damaging their property, why don't you all have a word with your Councillors? Have you tried? That's what they are there for.
40

James (1),

08/09/2008 17:03:23
#35 Your community beat officer either mislead you or you misunderstood.
If any person plays sound making instrument (this includes guitar, bagpipes or stereo music system) so as to cause annoyance and fails when required to do so by a police officer commits an offence.
There instrument/system can then be confiscated if they fail to stop.
This is not a new law but one that is not used to full effect.
Ask you beat officer if I am wrong!
41

Buttress,

08/09/2008 17:26:43
Good. It's a listed building and they have damaged it and put up a sign without permission.

So that's unlawful. So good the council is acting.
42

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 17:50:14
#40 the giniune mario bros,
wat is it you do for aliving?
43

the dark knight,

08/09/2008 17:56:03
i think a few of yous need to come down to earth again,do u actualy kno any of these guys,who run these shops?
or you u just having ago at them cos they drive toyotas,
park on double yellows?,or is it becoz they pay more taxes than wat most of you guys earn!!!! u say play the racit card?i think its already been played by most of yous!!!!
44

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:10:23
I hope these Gold Brothers face the full force of the law and are forced to remove the sign and are heavily fined. This company thinks it can do what it likes because they own a few tatty shops. They regularly park their cars on double yellow lines outside their shops - which is illegal - and seem to get away with it. I wouldn't grace their tat shops - they are nothing but scum.
45

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:23:52
#49 wats wrong?
did you get a parking ticket today?
46

James (1),

08/09/2008 18:30:25
Just a guess #48 but is it your family running these shops?
47

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:42:41
#50 - no I didn't get a parking ticket - I was on a number 35 held up by a car parked on double yellows parked there by a person unloading goods for one of those tat shops. I am now in the process of writing to the parking attendant people so these criminals can be quite rightly fined - they are nothing but scum.
48

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:44:36
#48 - just because they pay more tax, it doesn't give them the right to break the law. Anyone who breaks the law is scum - especially if they own a business and think they can do what they like.
49

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:48:29
not quite mr james,im mearly entertained by all these moany comments from people,who claim this is OUR HERITAGE,and DISGRACING OUR STREETS and KICK THEM OUT BAK TO THERE OWN CONTRY BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!
then what will yous all talk about then?
OMG!! LOOK AT HOW THE COUNCIL HAVE LET ALL THESE FOR RENT SIGNS ON ALL THE SHOPS ON THE ROYAL MILE,BEEN SCREWED TO OUR HISTORIC WALLS!!!!
id like to hear what any1 on this page has done any good in OUR comunity latly?or made any positve changes to make things better for scotland and its people?
cmon guys???lets get real!
50

Dr Joseph Phd,

Tynescos 08/09/2008 18:52:34

My Heriot-Watt team estimate that if EEN abbreviate "tartan tat" to "tartat" 30315 litres of printing ink would be saved daily.
51

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 18:56:03
#54 - I forgot to say - the person who was parked on the double yellow lines turned round and smiled at the bus driver - as if to say 'stuff you'. Then walked away totally unconcerned. The person that did this is a criminal and is nothing but scum. Your comments have certainly encouraged me to write to the parking attendants and advise them that employees/owners of Gold Brothers have scant regard for parking regulations. Hopefully parking fines will sort out this scum.
52

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:03:31
#52 have you ever been stuck behind a parcelforce truck
unloading goods at starbucks????
i agree with you that kno one should be above the law,and im sure the athorites will deal with them in the appropeiate manner,meanwile dont forget to lick your stamp!!!!
53

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:06:15
P.S. dose anyone out there have any scant regards for parking regulations? ????
54

James (1),

08/09/2008 19:14:54
Does anyone out there have the loan of a spell check?
55

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:16:51
#55 stay of the coffee lol but good, but some how i think
theres som1 whos more intrested in there profit than gold bros.......AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS THE EDINBURGH EVENING NEWS,,, for printing such bullushy as this story!!! any 1 agree?
56

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:21:53
hahah i kno this keybored has had its day!1!1 i must go to one of those tartan tat shops and see if they have a tartan keybored!!
57

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:23:18
#57 - I don't lick stamps - that is disgusting - I buy books of stamps that are self sticking.
58

calum,

08/09/2008 19:27:20
Gorgie_Tony, You are in serious need of urgent and drastic help from your doctor for your acute paranoia because it's getting worse.
59

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:30:29
#63 go away little boy - your insults and abuse don't bother me. I get it on a daily basis - so now I am immune from it. Little boys like you should be in bed at this time of the day - if you ain't a little boy - GROW UP!
60

the dark knight,

edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:39:29
BOYS BOYS BOYS CALM DOWN or i will be force to send you both to bed without supper!!! hahaha
bt seriously#64 u realy need to take a chill pill mate!
all that aggression isint good for you!have you tryed listen to classical bagpipe music???
its realy good for you.
61

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 19:51:11
#65 - thanks for your concern. My heart ain't that good. I was at the doctors today - I really need to calm down.
62

James (1),

08/09/2008 19:58:51
#66 Boo!

Just kidding!
63

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08/09/2008 20:07:49
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tomias,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 20:13:49
The race card ahs been played forages- think of who/where the two kilty shops originated !
65

CurlySue,

08/09/2008 20:21:46
#69

Explain I don't understand your point.
66

is it me?,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 21:13:21
I think "the dark night" is actually Mohamed al Fayed's english teacher
67

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/09/2008 22:30:13
#47 - I'm an architect
68

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08/09/2008 22:36:32
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MoiraMac,

08/09/2008 22:40:46
Gorgie-Tony
The Dark Knight
The Geniune Mario Antionette

You are all really boring!
70

Copper,

Falkirk 08/09/2008 23:01:13


Can someone please tell me as a visitor to Edinburgh

Why has that SCAFFOLD and the HANGINGS and the noise been permitted in Princes Street of all places for years ???

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08/09/2008 23:17:05
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Buttress,

09/09/2008 09:30:11
76 If they have not gained Listed Building Consent for the shop alterations - they are breaking the law.


 

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