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Surgeons' deaths list 'a danger' to patients



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Published Date: 08 October 2008
A LIST of surgery deaths published by the Scottish Government could harm both patients and surgeons, it was claimed today.
The massive document lists every surgeon in the country and reveals how many patients died during, or soon after, surgery. It also includes the type of surgery and the hospital where the operation took place.

But the release of the information is
a controversial move, given that a similar initiative in America some years ago led many to say surgeons there became too scared to take on tricky operations.

However, others have said that if the statistics are considered thoroughly it is a helpful development for the country.

In the last year there were 267 deaths following operations across Lothians hospitals; 152 at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary; 85 at the Western General; 14 at St John's in Livingston; and 16 at the Sick Kids Hospital.

Margaret Watt, chairwoman of the Scottish Patients' Association, said: "I don't think this is a good thing. It's not going to stop mistakes and it could add to waiting lists because patients might only want to go to one surgeon."

And the British Medical Association in Edinburgh said that while surgeons in general did not have any fears over these figures being published, there were concerns about how they could be interpreted.

For example, a surgeon who either took on more complex challenges and operated on older or more sickly patients would have a far higher mortality rate than one who embarked on fewer, more straightforward procedures.

Dr Charles Saunders, chairman of Scotland's consultants committee, warned: "What we would prefer to see would be the development of some form of like-for-like comparison so we can examine other factors."

It was originally ruled in 2005 by the Scottish Information Commissioner that data relating to surgeons' mortality rate should be published. And while health chiefs abide with this ruling, many privately believe there is a danger some surgeons will opt out of difficult operations.

They feel there is enough regulation already with live monitoring and believe that, because surgeons work in teams, if anyone was even slightly under-performing this would come to the attention of bosses straight away.

All surgeons are also made to sign the General Medical Council code of conduct which dictates if someone has reason to believe a fellow surgeon isn't reaching acceptable levels to report it.

There is no way of telling from the table why the patient died, nor does it indicate if the person died during surgery or soon after.

Dr Charles Swainson, NHS Lothian's medical director, said: "Surgery is safe and is getting safer. We have a number of measures in place to protect and reassure the public as to the competence of staff involved in their care. Every death after surgery is reviewed, both through our own arrangements and through the independent Scottish Audit of Surgical Mortality."





The full article contains 488 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 October 2008 10:04 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Artemis,

08/10/2008 12:17:13
It shouldn't be beyond them to publish risk-stratified information which has been clarified to allow for the differences betwee surgeons who do the more difficult operations on sicker patients and the ones who do more simple surgery on less sick people.
2

carrottop,

Dumfries 08/10/2008 16:07:39
The authorities should be satisfied with the ability of the surgeon before he/she is let loose on people and after that a yearly appraisal by the medical profession should be adequate. The league table smacks of some little leftie sitting at a desk thinking up things to impress stupid leftie voters.
3

an interested party,

08/10/2008 16:45:03
heaven forbid those paid by the public purse should have to be accountable for there work
4

Goody2Shoes,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 17:11:52
think its a good thing. Might make the surgeon do the operation better
5

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/10/2008 20:04:53
the moral seems to be - don't have an operation done at the ERI
6

The real dracula,

08/10/2008 21:37:30
See this is exactly what the EEN is saying you lot don't seem to appreciate the complexities between the ops.

If you honestly think any surgeon is gonna operate on a patient with a 'don't care if they live or die' mindset you are well mistaken. And if you think like that you are also stupid , disrespectful and unappreciative.

Lets hope you never need their skills huh!

You must take into account that many surgeons end up performing surgery knowing there may be a poor outcome due to the severity of the patients conditions. Often the patient is going to die anyway and surgery may at a long shot give them a very small percentage of staying alive a little longer. Sometimes it is the family or the patient that persuade the surgeon to let them have that long shot.

Maybe you wont understand but let me try to give you an example. A vascular surgeon often deals with very complex ops such as stabbings and aortic aneurysm ruptures there is more chance of his or her patient dying than an orthopaedic surgeon resetting a broken limb in theatre.Likewise the neurosurgeons.And at times the ortho surgeons have their very sick smashed up trauma patient who despite horrific injuries survives.

But they still do these ops as its the patients only hope,,,,,,of course their death rates may be higher , the patients they oerate n are extremely sick or damaged

Now do you understand ??

Think before you starta witchunt or is there an element of jealousy there because you have sad lives and boring jobs.

At least the surgeon tries his or her best to make an improvement in society.
What do you do ,,,,pour critisism on a subject you neither understand or are qualified to comment on.
Shame on the lot of you , you dont deserve treatment.

I am disgusted at you.
7

Jimmy B'Umlove,

08/10/2008 21:52:59
#6 "you lot don't seem to appreciate ..."

Dinnae make sweeping generalisations like that. I bl00dy hate folk that generalise, they're a' the same!
8

Jimmy B'Umlove,

East End (Boys) 08/10/2008 21:53:26
Och! I forgot ma location.
9

The real dracula,

08/10/2008 22:15:55
Did I say I was commenting on everyone Im obviously commenting on the previous posters.
People who make assumptions make me so annoyed
10

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 01:09:29
Yes. Best keep this kind of thing secret. In fact, best not bother to tell the patients anything, eh?
11

Anon Surgeon,

09/10/2008 12:47:47
These figures are very difficult to interpret. Many of the patients have been under the care of a surgeon but have not had an operation and have a condition which does not require surgery. A common situation is that there is a patient with advanced terminal cancer and they need treatment such as a blood transfusion, improved pain relief or may have deteriorated to a stage where they can no longer manage at home. Their general practitioner is not able to get them urgently admitted to a hospice so they are admitted to a surgical ward where our palliative care colleagues treat them. They are in the terminal phase of their life and sometimes are not well enough to get back home. Their disease progresses and they die in the surgical ward. For the purpose of the ISD statistics this death takes place while under the care of a surgeon. In my case all of the death attributed to me are ones which happened in this situation. So surgical death rates may actually be a reflection on the qulaity of the palliative care service in a particular area.
12

The real dracula,

09/10/2008 21:30:20
Forgive me anon surgeon but your wasting your breath. These folk on here are out for a witch hunt. Nationally I know that the RIE has good statistics , it is a safe hospital, despite all the scaremongering tactics. After all we all know bad news sells !!!!!

The EEN delight in printing scare stories about poor patient care and complaints , the whole story is never told tho.

I dont think the day will ever come that some poor patients surgical and otherwise DONT die , such is the complexities of the huamn body and the pathway of illness.

But the folks on here dont understand and wont admit it.

I work in RIE and would be happy to be operated on there , I would feel totally safe.

Its similar to the old MRSA debate people will not accept that it can live on anyone without causing harm and that the post op patient may actually catch it from their relative or friend.

 

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