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Statues standing tall as plans to shift them ditched



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Published Date: 05 September 2008
CONTROVERSIAL plans to move some of the Capital's most famous monuments in order to make way for tram roadworks have been abandoned.
Statues of George IV and William Pitt – which stand in the middle of roundabouts in George Street – were meant to be moved ahead of plans to divert hundreds of buses on to the street when Princes Street closes to traffic next year.

Instead, tram
firm TIE has now worked out a way of diverting the traffic, which means the statues can remain in place.

Traffic islands around the 19th century statues will be reduced and special protective barriers will also be put in place.

The roundabouts will be reinstated once the temporary diversion of traffic from Princes Street is completed.

The latest statues development was today welcomed by Edinburgh-born artist Alexander Stoddart, whose work includes statues of David Hume and Adam Smith on the Royal Mile. He had warned that moving the George Street statues could potentially ruin them.

Mr Stoddart said: "I am over the moon. All credit to the officials for realising the need to manage their major infrastructure projects without incursions on to the materials of the city."

The statue of George IV on the junction of George Street and Hanover Street was erected as part of commemorations to mark the visit of the King to Edinburgh in 1822, while a bronze statue of prime minister William Pitt the Younger has stood at the junction of Frederick Street since 1833.

A spokesman for TIE said: "TIE's traffic modellers have devised a solution that does not require the expensive removal of the statues on George Street.

"Instead, the size of each traffic island will be reduced and the statue plinths protected.

"Each junction will be signalised and provided with pedestrian crossings.

"This solution is the most cost and time effective, whilst balancing the needs of pedestrians and managing the increased traffic on George Street."

A number of other famous landmarks are also making temporary and permanent moves as a result of the work, including the statue of Sherlock Holmes on Picardy Place, the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial at Haymarket, and Eduardo Paolozzi's three-piece work The Manuscript of Monte Cassino, which sits at the top of Leith Walk and includes a sculpture of a giant foot.





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  • Last Updated: 05 September 2008 11:37 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Transport
 
1

TankEngine,

Uphall 05/09/2008 12:12:57
So, do we get a refund on the money saved??
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 05/09/2008 12:36:00
And so they should,these guys have done more than the trams could ever do.
3

Bob 2,

05/09/2008 12:53:41
A spokesman for TIE said: "TIE's traffic modellers have devised a solution that does not require the expensive removal of the statues on George Street.

"Instead, the size of each traffic island will be reduced and the statue plinths protected.

"Each junction will be signalised and provided with pedestrian crossings.

"This solution is the most cost and time effective, whilst balancing the needs of pedestrians and managing the increased traffic on George Street."

My god Spin as only TIE can write it.

look forward to the utter chaos when Princes Street is closed.

By the time that TIE have finished, Lothian Buses will be facing finacial ruin.

It will be interesting to see how well the shops on Princes Street do?
4

Bob 2,

05/09/2008 12:54:33
to sum it up, without the TIE spin

The statues will not be getting moved.
5

charliegreen,

edinburgh 05/09/2008 13:04:51
What aboot the trees in front o haymarket station, there for the chop next week.
6

Mike Hunt,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 13:25:10
"Traffic islands around the 19th century statues will be reduced and special protective barriers will also be put in place." ...all in future tense.

Doesn't Andrew Picken get away from his desk to check out anything he outs his name to? These measures have been in place for weeks!
7

Howard Moon,

05/09/2008 13:26:14
TIE are having to cut corners all over the place - despite the massive outlay, the money is very tight. Thank goodness the SNP got at the plans when they did - if it was still a Parliament-style blank cheque from the Lib/Labs, this project would already have spiralled completely out of control.
8

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Pottering in the greenhouse 05/09/2008 13:35:18
At last, an admission from TIE that this is a joke, a kid on, a toy tram system

A spokesman for TIE said: "TIE's traffic modellers .............
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05/09/2008 14:02:35
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05/09/2008 14:06:52
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Dileas,

05/09/2008 16:55:06
Interesting that the City's anti-car policies are furthered even in this project - traffic light sequences are manipulated to obstruct traffic flow - that's why we are seeing so many junctions fitted with traffic lights!
And if is saves money moving the statues, tie will be even better pleased - their budget needs shaving anywhere they can!
12

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 05/09/2008 17:00:41
You are talking UTTER RUBBISH no.11
Typical motorist way of thinking, it is the big bad Council that causes congestion, not us poor innocent motorists sitting here all alone in our car.

Perhaps before you spout about things you clearly know nothing about, go study traffic engineering to understand why traffic lights are put at junctions DOH !
13

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 17:17:31
Edinburgh New Town is awash with streets named after assorted Hanoverian Princelings and English politicians to go along with statues of same.

Is it not a disgrace that Scotland's Capital doesn't have streets named after our 2 greatest heroes - Bruce and Wallace?

In what other country would this disgraceful situation exist?
14

Goat Boy,

05/09/2008 17:31:21
I wonder if TIE's modellers have modelled the very high levels of pollution we can expect in George Street when the buses are trundling along George Street.

And do they care?
15

calum,

05/09/2008 17:50:19
...... and while more of Scotland's money is squandered on a tramLINE which has no safety case and an increasingly failing business case more citizens and tourists using the A9 continue to pay for this folly with their lives. Shame on those politicians who supported this monument to stupidity and shame on those in the SNP who have aboned a manifesto pledge to the A9 to support the tramLINE which wasn't. I hope you remeber that when you jump aboard for your photo opoortunity. It's not to late to cancel it.
16

calum,

05/09/2008 17:51:16
...who have abandoned a manifesto pledge.....
17

calum,

05/09/2008 17:56:05
#14 - Talking of pollution, do you know that in the works in Leith Walk the machine operators tip only 1.5 tons of spoil into the tippers? And the tippers take the load to Gogar? 8 miles away? And the machine operator waits for the tipper to come back? Maximum of 6 loads a day on a 12 hour shift? That's why they seem to sit around all day seemingly doing nothing.... on big money.
Any tramlINE supporter or TIE care to deny it?
18

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

05/09/2008 21:14:22
funny that the statues stood up to the trams, which is something the SNP Government couldn't do
19

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/09/2008 23:41:45
#13 gus1940,

What about Bruce Street?
20

Dileas,

05/09/2008 23:59:49
Road Raga (12) said "You are talking UTTER RUBBISH no.11

"Typical motorist way of thinking, it is the big bad Council that causes congestion, not us poor innocent motorists sitting here all alone in our car.

"Perhaps before you spout about things you clearly know nothing about, go study traffic engineering to understand why traffic lights are put at junctions DOH !"

Oh yes, I was forgetting - it is "the poor innocent motorist" that narrowed the streets with pavement outsets, sideways pedestrian refuges where there are few pedestrians, painted hatching in the centre of main approach roads to narrow four lane roads to two - and set the traffic lights to let minimal numbers of VEHICLES through at a time. Don't be daft, no one is falling for that.

And as for studying traffic engineering, I take it that RR means the David Begg School of Traffic Management at Napier, where local authority clerks are sent for a diploma in DB's thinking on how to manage traffic by not having any of it, to remove filter lanes that were designed into dual carriageways to permit traffic to slow before leaving and to create bus lanes where there are few buses "to encourage people out of their cars" by creating congestion where there was none before. That kind of "traffic management"?

We don't need it - Edinburgh traffic would flow more smoothly without that kind of interference - as can be seen when traffic lights are out of action and traffic flow improves.

UTTER RUBBISH? Don't kid yourself.
21

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

06/09/2008 00:00:54
#2

Aye, right - one ponced around Edinburgh in tartan and flesh pink tights, and the other introduced income tax............!
22

Julian.,

edinburgh 06/09/2008 05:29:08
Dileas # 20,

This idea that the council sets traffic lights to cause congestion is just utter bammy and verging on a Princess Di type conspiracy theory. And from my experience most of the times when traffic lights are out the traffic backs up in at least one direction. Not surprising considering their main purpose is to allow a free, fair flow of traffic.

I do agree that a lot of things the council has done has been detrimental to car flow but that doesn't prove the council are anti-car. These things are done to encourage public transport and make our roads safer. An unfortunate side effect of this is that it slows down the car driver.
23

gus1940,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 08:10:47
Oh Yes - some insignificant back street in the suburbs.

Very patriotic.

How many people have heard of it?
24

Dileas,

06/09/2008 18:27:28
Sorry Julian (22) - you are mistaken.

Tie said "Each junction will be signalised and provided with pedestrian crossings.

"This solution is the most cost and time effective, whilst balancing the needs of pedestrians and managing the increased traffic on George Street."

That is help pedestrians needs and restrict the increased traffic - it's in the article. Once again, you are too quick in your support for tie and the City Council. You're not on the payroll, are you?
25

Broughton Resident,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 12:42:51
"signalised" - is this a new word?
26

Richard Mcl,

08/09/2008 12:50:00
22 - The DB school of road management is a fact. When Mr Begg was an Economics lecturer in the mid 90s we discussed all this theory. The idea of trailing for 18 months was so that people become used to it and it became the norm.

I have a number of papers that we discussed and within in 2 years all of them were implemented in Edinburgh. Driver frustration was one of the key principles to getting the congestion tax in. Luckily for us most people saw sense.
27

Euan404,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 14:30:35
#19, re Bruce Street - according to http://www.edinburgh.org.uk/STREETS/part2/b.htm that name is down to "In 1885 when the property was built the former owner of the ground was James Bruce per Kerr Couper and Cook 37 George Street. He owned stables and houses there."

 

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