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Published Date: 02 November 2009
IT IS the time of year that fills firefighters with dread. Illegal bonfires, out of control fireworks and yobs who shower them with abuse for "spoiling their fun" – it all adds up to a nightmare for fire crews across the Lothians.
And so far this year has lived up to expectations.

Firefighters have revealed how they were called out to 30 unsupervised bonfires in the space of seven days across the Lothians – and suffered abuse in the process from children as young as five.

As Guy Fawkes Night approaches – and months after the death of city firefighter Ewan Williamson – fire chiefs are pleading with youngsters to respect members of an emergency service who put their lives at risk to save others.

• What more can be done to protect fire crews in the run-up to Bonfire Night?

Mike Jaffray, from the Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue Service community safety team, said: "We're quite often attacked when we go out on jobs around this time of year. I think people believe we are spoiling their fun.

"I remember an incident when we attended a bonfire in the city. There was nobody around, but as we were putting it out we heard noises. Suddenly, we were getting pelted with stones from all directions. One hit the windscreen of the fire engine, smashing it.

"We're not trying to spoil people's fun, but if we get called to an unsupervised bonfire, we have to be responsible – we're just doing our job."

Last week in Leith, firefighters were attacked when they visited the same area five times in six days, after youths – some thought to be as young as five – repeatedly built bonfires on waste ground at the back of Henderson Gardens, created from wooden pallets they had scavenged and stockpiled. Neighbours have spoken of their shock at watching the youngsters then empty residents' recycling bins on the flames to further fuel the blaze – as well as abuse firefighters as they tackled it.

On the first occasion firefighters were called to the site the police had to be called, as the group of youths became abusive.

Youths in the area also set fire to equipment in the children's play park in Henderson Gardens last week, damaging a newly painted boat that had been put there for use by all the community. And a young boy was seen setting off fireworks, shooting them at friends in the park.

The Evening News has already reported on a play park in Craigmillar, where a group of youths – again thought to include five-year-olds – started ten bonfires in the past fortnight.

Boys and girls up to the age of around 16 deliberately started the fires on Castleview Grove, ruining patches of grass by igniting household furniture, mattresses, food and newspapers. A fire service spokeswoman confirmed both areas in Craigmillar and Leith had proved a "persistent problem" over the last fortnight, while residents said they were shocked parents were allowing their children to behave in such a way.

The spokeswoman said: "We would like to remind parents to speak to their children about fire safety, especially in the run-up to Bonfire Night, and also to remind them of the pressure that crews are already under, without having to deal with these continuous malicious fires."

Despite the troubles crews faced this week, call-outs during the Bonfire Night period have dropped dramatically in the last two years. In 2007, there were 2,244 calls to the service from 31 October to 7 November, yet only 833 the following year. On 5 November itself, crews responded to 909 calls in 2007, yet just 371 in 2008.

Fire chiefs believe the drop in calls can be attributed to a closer working partnership with the police – who also attend call-outs – allowing safety messages to be better delivered in communities.

Geoff Aird, community safety manager, said: "We also had a helping hand from the wet weather, which kept the number of fires down last year.

"In a bid to continue this trend, we've been delivering fire safety information and advice to schools, shops selling fireworks and the public, to highlight the dangers associated with fireworks and unsupervised bonfires. At this time of year, the fire service is regularly called out to extinguish uncontrolled or badly sited bonfires, putting pressure on resources for more serious incidents where life-saving equipment is really needed."

In 2008 there were more than 2,100 deliberate fires recorded in Edinburgh – an average of more than 38 a week.

FLATS CLEAR-UP
COUNCIL officials have started clearing rubbish from communal areas in high-rise flats across the Capital to prevent the spread of fires.

Action began this week in the wake of safety recommendations following a blaze in a London tower block in June which killed six people.

Residents have been advised to report any unwanted items stored in communal areas, allowing concierge staff to remove them.

Meanwhile, plans are also in place to close Holyrood Park on 5 November for the second year in a row.

Fire chiefs reported a dramatic drop in the number of calls about bonfires last year, when the public was not able to gain access to the park.

The park will close at 6pm on Thursday – except for the loop around Dynamic Earth – and will reopen on Friday morning.

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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2009 11:33 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 02/11/2009 12:11:51
No doubt the yobs will do their best as usual,our 999 services will be stretched to the limit again.
2

Foo,

02/11/2009 12:19:50
And where are the police whilst all this is going on?

The kids should be taken back to their parents by the police. If the parents are responsible they'll take action. If they allow it to continue, their children should be taken from them and placed in protective care in a council run home, and the parents should lose the benefits they no doubt receive.
3

hibbywul,

02/11/2009 12:24:57
The sale of fireworks should be banned unles the buyer has a license for an organised show. Also anyone lighting fires on a park or large wasteland etc should be arrested.
4

Foo,

02/11/2009 12:28:28
#3

That's a bit over the top. What about the decent majority who want to have a private show?

5

SylvieMcG,

02/11/2009 12:32:22
This makes me sick. Firefighters risk their lives on a regular basis, some die while trying to save members of the public, and what do they get? Abuse and attack. # 2, I agree, the police should really be much tougher on these little neds-in-training.
6

Peedie Paws,

02/11/2009 12:35:58
#3 I agree with you. Ban fireworks and let the council put on organised displays. We used to go to organised displays at Meadowbank. They were great.
For all those yobs who pelt firemen with stones etc, turn the hoses onto them and let them explain to their parents why they look half drowned. When parents complain, charge them with arson!
7

hibbywul,

02/11/2009 12:39:09
#4 Simple, NO PRIVATE SHOWS. Unless they have been granted a license to hold it. If people are "decent" as you put it, they will be more than happy to apply for said license and complete necessary documentation to hold their own display.
8

Foo,

02/11/2009 12:51:29
#7

More red tape and form filling. No, I totally disagree with you. Why is it that whenever there is a problem the solution suggested is always just to ban it?!

Too often the minority spoil things for the majority. I buy fireworks and let them off in a safe manner for my family. Why should I have to stop just because the police aren't willing to do their jobs properly?
9

Rugal,

02/11/2009 12:58:32
Foo there is no such thing as a private fireworks party.

Unless you're setting them off indoors you will be annoying somebody, probably quite a lot of people.

Bit selfish if you ask me.
10

Foo,

02/11/2009 13:00:54
#9

My nearest neighbour lives 3 miles down the road. I'm not disturbing anyone. Particularly given that they come along to the show as well.
11

Dragonlord,

02/11/2009 13:01:20
Too many in favour of a nanny state! Perhaps if they H7S PC brigade didn't interfere there wouldn't be this kind of attack on firemen. Too often they come along and put out a fire that is not dangerous just because some busy body complains. Bonfires have a ling history and most go off without a hitch. Time to keep the firemen in their stations and only report to those fires that really do get out of hand.As for private fireworks displays i had one the other night. Neigbours were informed well in advance and it went off very well. Why can't the moaners give it a rest? If they are complaining about late night noise due to kids setting them off complain that the police are not stopping shops selling to those who are under age. The law is there to cover this so why should responsable adults not have some fun with their kids and grandchildren?
12

Dragonlord,

02/11/2009 13:01:59
Sorry H7S was meant to be Health and safety.
13

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02/11/2009 13:05:46
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02/11/2009 13:23:49
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02/11/2009 13:27:03
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Sugar,

02/11/2009 13:29:04
@Foo

Srsly? You live 3 miles from anyone else?

I demand to know where this and and if I can live there too. Well, 1.5 miles away so as not to spoil the effect.
17

Foo,

02/11/2009 13:41:06
16
It's a nightmare if you need a pint of milk at 10pm. That's why most East Lothianers keep a small cow to suckle from in emergency situations.
18

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02/11/2009 13:47:23
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Sugar,

02/11/2009 13:50:49
I don't really like milk. Although diet coke would be sorely missed.

Mostly I'd just like to be away from the stench of humanity.
20

hibbywul,

02/11/2009 14:05:20
My neighbour was letting of fireworks last night and Saturday. The thing is Bonfire night or whatever you want to call it is no longer 5th November, it's a week or so before and goes on until Hogmanay.

How many times do we have to read a paper or watch the news and see another life ruined or ended by firworks/bonfires?

Ban them and ban them now.
21

Grumpy,

02/11/2009 14:45:30
I think a blind eye should be turned if the firefighters "accidentally" soaked them all to the skin with their hoses. Instead, you're likely to find the firefighters being put on a charge when they themselves first came "under fire" from the scroats.
22

Andrew,

CUMBERNAULD 02/11/2009 14:48:27
21) You just beat me to it! Power Jet hoses (and a good dousing) versus vandals and thugs! Power hoses win!!
23

Foo,

02/11/2009 14:58:34
#20

I agree; how many more people need to die before we ban the crazy practise of eating fish containing small bones. There's no need for it and it's just too God damn dangerous.

And whilst we're at it, ban driving, dog ownership, horse riding, any sport, climbing ladders and going outside. It's just too dangerous.
24

Unimpressed one,

02/11/2009 15:40:19
#9, "Unless you're setting them off indoors"

Then you'd definitely need the fire brigade.
25

Foo,

02/11/2009 15:45:01
#24

Yup..that'll do it
26

Lord Lucan 09,

Everywhere 02/11/2009 16:10:34
#4 get real! Over the top? #3 had it spot on. Ban the fireworks. Why would you allow children to play with explosives? It's been obvious for years that the schemie filth can't be trusted so take it away from them. As for abusing the firemen, a bit of time in borstal for these dirt bags would teach them a lesson. Oh wait, I forgot, it's not PC to say these things nowadays. Give me a break!!
27

Dragonlord,

02/11/2009 16:21:19
There you see! The classic response. KIDS shouldn't get fireworks and it's the local corner shop at it again. Selling drink, fireworks and all sorts of items Ilegally to children. Why are you not shouting about the police not doing their job? The laws are there to prevent these shops selling fireworks to children, yet you don't complain when the law is broken. As for removing things from the schemie filth, why should decent people be banned because the law doesn't stop them from doing wrong?
28

Foo,

02/11/2009 16:45:45
#26

As #27 says, why should the decent majority suffer because of the actions of a minority of street rats?

If the police and social services did their jobs, we wouldn't have this problem.
29

Gorgie Anthony,

02/11/2009 18:03:46
Death squads are the answer. Shoot the yobs, bury them, problem goes away. Shoot anyone who complains. No more complaints.
30

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02/11/2009 19:09:28
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31

archie12,

02/11/2009 19:39:34
#31 - Actually, in a period of extreme boredom, I viewed his postings over the last fortnight. He is obsessed with thrashings, beatings, young boys, hitting them where it hurts, parasites etc, etc.. He is a serious case for professional help.
32

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02/11/2009 19:53:20
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archie12,

02/11/2009 20:09:45
#34 - I can't engage with you further. You are only providing more evidence for the ........
34

archie12,

02/11/2009 20:24:43
#36 - Just wait on the postie.....
35

archie12,

02/11/2009 20:33:20
....... and so time goes on and on .....
36

archie12,

02/11/2009 20:58:38
#40 - Your time is nigh. Continue with the vile thrashings of a "dying" beached whale, your contributions are now in the "short lived" section.....
You will be removed from these pages.
37

Bell-the-Prat,

02/11/2009 21:02:13
I have just had an idea for a new TV show!

Strictly Come Ranting will invite demented old scunners to harangue a captive audience (protected by a saliva-proof screen) on any topic currently obsessing them, before being judged by a panel of unsympathetic Evening News contributors.

Points will be awarded for inventive abusiveness, foot-stamping tantrums and any statement that turns out to be true, but deducted for pointless repetition, demanding an apology from anyone who disagrees with them or playing the homophobia card.
38

archie12,

02/11/2009 21:06:15
#43 - Oh really? Well, my soundly thrashed friend, just wait for the post......
39

Julian.,

edinburgh 02/11/2009 23:32:34
#44,

He may be a bit eccentric and abusive, but GT does have a point. The punishments doled out to people these days for serious crimes is an absolute joke. Stabbing someone to their serious injury for example gets about 3 or 4 years. This leniency may well be having an effect on the behaviour of our youngsters.
40

Mrs Syrah,

USA 02/11/2009 23:54:21
Britain needs a damn good shake up. I cannot believe these evil little brats are still getting away with abusing the fire brigade. It's absolutely disgusting. Kids as young as 5 throwing stones at them, that's just insane. Of course we all know their parents don't give a flying f--- and any parent that did would be embarrassed and rightfully ashamed. My dad woulda beat me up if I'd have pulled any such nonsense as a kid. Not enough dad's like mine these days I guess. I don't know how the fire brigade keep themselves from getting off their trucks and battering the wee bams. American fire fighters are heroes and treated accordingly. Time for action Britain or this will never end.
41

jock1,

03/11/2009 05:23:19
you have to look to the parents........

 

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