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Rail chaos looms: Strikes to go ahead as talks break down



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Published Date: 06 October 2008
TWO days of strikes on Scotland's rail services will go ahead this week after talks aimed at averting the action broke down today.
Network Rail signalling workers will walk out at noon tomorrow on the first of two 24-hour strikes, with the second starting at noon on Thursday.

A row over staff rosters is at the heart of the dispute.
Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union officials met Network Rail managers today but failed to find a resolution.

Network Rail said it was "bitterly disappointed" at the prospect of strikes.

Eight hours of talks were held at conciliation service Acas in Glasgow on Friday but ended without resolution, and the two sides reconvened today.

David Simpson, Network Rail route director in Scotland, said: "Despite our best efforts to resolve this dispute during our talks with Acas today and on Friday, we are bitterly disappointed to inform passengers and freight operators that the RMT still intends to take strike action this week.

"We have been unable to shift the union from their position – a position that puts safety at risk by demanding safety assessments be voluntary, not compulsory.

"We have prepared a contingency train service which aims to reduce the impact on passengers as far as possible.

"Details are available from train operators and National Rail Enquiries."

Network Rail said it has no intention of changing the established principle that rostered hours are binding.

The RMT said Network Rail wants to make changes to rostered hours but the company claimed this was untrue.

About 450 members of the RMT union in Scotland will take part in the strikes.
First ScotRail said last week there will be severe disruption if the strikes are not averted.

It said services would have to wind down after the morning peak on Tuesday and Thursday and there would be reduced frequency and capacity on routes where services are provided.

Mary Grant, managing director of First ScotRail, said: "We will be disappointed if the dispute is not resolved and apologise in advance to all who would be affected and inconvenienced by a strike which is outwith our control."

Tartan Army warned of rail disruption

Scotland fans face rail misery ahead of Saturday's World Cup qualifier with Norway.

Major works on the Edinburgh to Glasgow line will reduce train services by half – and those that do run will take 25 minutes longer.

A statement on the Scottish Football Association website today said the engineering works were planned before the date of the big match was arranged.

The main Edinburgh - Glasgow Queen Street service will run half-hourly rather than every 15 minutes throughout the day and journey times will be extended by up to 25 minutes.

Extra services will operate from Linlithgow to Glasgow Queen Street from mid-morning to lunchtime, and there will be an hourly service between Edinburgh and Glasgow Central.

The works also mean that the line between Bathgate and Edinburgh will be closed on Saturday, though a replacement bus service will operate.

Steve Montgomery, Operations and Safety Director at First ScotRail, said: "We are running as many services as possible to keep inconvenience to a minimum on 11 October.

"Journeys will take longer than normal and passengers should allow more time for travel."

The full article contains 551 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 06 October 2008 4:46 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 13:55:18
Oh dear. I'll have to upset the rabid public-transport-or-nothing PC brigade and use my car to get to work.
2

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 14:24:36
#1 Oh I don't know, how about getting a bus?
3

Skip McClendon,

06/10/2008 14:31:27
The RMT strike at the drop of a hat.

If Network Rail were to announce that signallers were to receive a 100% pay-rise, a free house, and an annual free holiday in the Bahamas, RMT would call a strike because sun-tan lotion wasn't included.
4

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 14:38:36
2 - yes, you don't know. Have you experienced the chaos on Princes Street and Shandwick Place caused by the tram works?

I did use the bus during previous rail strikes and my journey time doubled. Having it triple or even quadruple is unacceptable.
5

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 14:46:08
#4 What about a bike? They seem to be flavour of the month right now.

Alternatively, walking seems to work for those with the capacity to do so. Especially down Princes Street and Shandwick Place where it's long been recognised as the faster option.

How unfortunate that the incompatability of your needs render the wellbeing of everyone else 'unacceptable'. We should have a big statue of you next to the Scott Monument so we can all remember who the world revolves around.
6

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 14:54:17
4 sue grow up and accept some personal responsibility.
7

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:02:29
5 - my work is too far to walk in a reasonable time and a bike is out for three reasons. 1) I need to wear a suit and it would get crumpled in a pannier. 2) My office does not have a shower. 3) Bikes are inherently dangerous in heavy city centre traffic.

Make a mistake in a car and you've a good chance of getting away with only a dent in your wing and/or ego. On a bike you only need be unlucky once to end up being fed through a tube for the rest of your life. Call me a selfish polluter if you like, but I really don't fancy that.

How unfortunate that your rabid one-solution-fits-all ideology blinds you to the realities of life for many working people. If you don't like living in a society where people are free to make their own choices, then I suggest you try North Korea.
8

Cassandra,

06/10/2008 15:06:28
You may hate the weegies, but expecting them to cycle or walk to work in Edinburgh is taking things a bit far. Lots of people travel here by train to work. Do you expect them to leave home in the middle of the night? And what time do the buses start in the morning?
9

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:08:19
6 - why don't you grow up and show some personal responsibility by only commenting when you actually have a relevant point to make? Instead of the tiresome twaddle you fill this site with every day?
10

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:08:57
#8 There's definitely a bus from Weedge to Edinburgh. It goes all the way into the centre of town as well. Then, alas, there's a little bit of walking involved I'd imagine.
11

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 06/10/2008 15:10:19
Well I have no sympathy at all for signal workers. If they are doing their job properly they have nothing to fear.

Network Rail should not give in to them. I want to travel on an effective, efficient railway and all this is doing is preventing the development of such as so much time is wasted on these workers. Bet the union people are paid big bucks for getting a result - men out on strike!!

Get back to work you railway workers and lets get a decent service going.. Although I'm put out to have to get the bus to STirling I'd rather do that than give in to these so called strikers.
12

bumf,

06/10/2008 15:13:01
>6. Didn't you say on another thread that you didn't want to pick a fight with anyone?
13

Skip McClendon,

06/10/2008 15:13:12
Now, now people....how about taking it out on either Network Rail or the RMT, depending on whose view you support?

IMO, the RMT is the most militant union I have ever seen. They kicked up a fuss over a pay rise of ONLY 4.8% this year (when most workers are having to settle for far less), now they have manufactured this dispute over, essentially, nothing.

The leadership of the RMT is a joke, stuck in the dark ages. Their only tactic is the worst kind of macho sabre-rattling.
14

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:13:51
#7 The reason behind #3 of your reasons is because of folk like you contributing to the 'heavy city centre traffic'. I know you like to think you are an 'island' but actually the collective car tyranny of each and every one of 'islands' just like yourself suggests you'd be much more suited to life in North Korea than me. I can see you all now, moving in slow, slow co-ordinated steps like some deranged tin pit army in worship of the mighty Oil Dollar.

I'm all for making your own choices. It's just when it seems to be the same choice as everyone else it's not really something you can call your own is it?

15

Cassandra,

06/10/2008 15:22:52
#10 I know that. But does it leave Glasgow in time to cope with the chaos in Edinburgh for people who have to be at work before 0900, and who may have to change to a Lothian bus because their place of work is too far from the centre to walk?
16

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 15:24:53
Ooh . Listen to sue "i just bought a car and it makes me clever".
17

Decent,

06/10/2008 15:27:43
Poor wimman just made a wee jokey comment and you all jumped in and tore her to ribbons!
18

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:29:17
14 - in what way does your point invalidate my other two reasons? And, as I've said, I do normally use the train. I will only be using my car because of the rail strike. Normally I do not contribute the the rush hour traffic.

"like some deranged tin pit army in worship of the mighty Oil Dollar"

Your tawdry unimaginitive prose style suggests you think you deserve better from life than your actual achievements would suggest. Maybe you are an unemployed writer or academic.

Could I suggest that you try doing a proper days work and paying some income tax before criticizing working people like me again?
19

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:29:44
#15 I don't want to misrepresent myself as a search engine but looking at the CityLink website, I see that from Oct 6th the first Edinburgh bound bus leaves Glasgow at 0520 getting to the working end of the country at 0633. For your hypothetical 0900 worker I'm seeing a bus at 0655 getting in at 0825. Or on the safe side the 0630 bus arriving at 0758.

But, really, wouldn't most bosses accept a little bit of disruption on the day and be thankful that the staff had made it in at all?
20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 15:30:07
She shouldl be at home ironing the dinner and chaining herself to the sink/bed. A bairn on each gland.

That is the way the world should be. Women chatter and gossip too much and like shiny things like cars.

21

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 15:31:00
18 I guess its dabweek. I hope you feel better soon , and I feel really sorry for your husband/cat.
22

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:35:55
16 - hit a nerve there, didn't I?

Try sucking your thumb. You'll feel better and it will make it harder for you to type trite, self-regarding waffle.
23

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:39:10
#18 - I'm fairly certain I'm not unemployed and, yup, looking at my latest salary slip it seems I pay my fair share of income tax as well. Though really, us top rate tax payers should be on 50% I reckon - hardly a 'fair share' is it?

For completeness sake then I'll answer your other two points. 1 - diddums and don't be such a square. 2 - I'm pretty certain there are showers at Waverley Station if you really must. It'll be empty if there's a train strike on so you might not have to queue.

'Tawdry' is a word you may want to look up in a dictionary. 'Unimaginitive' is one you certainly should. You won't find it but nearby will be the word unimaginative and perhaps a defintion along the lines of 'a sterile ideology lacking in originality' which seems to sum up your approach to life pretty neatly.
24

SixBells,

Scotland 06/10/2008 15:40:33
This strike is farcical.
I know a fair bit about this dispute as I am a signaller employed by Network Rail.

The union representatives believe that signallers should not be forced to undertake competence tests during their normal working hours, and should be able to decide what day suits best so sit the tests.
They believe that being told when they must undertake tests is a breach of the signallers' agreed "Rostering Principles".

This is utter nonsense, all Railway workers are required to undertake competence testing within normal working hours.

The way that this strike has been conjured up out of thin air is appaling.

I was a member of the RMT until last week when I resigned my membership in disgust at the way this dispute has been mis-managed by militant and intransigent union officials.
25

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:42:24
17 - thanks for your support, but I'm quite capable of defending myself. Especially when my detractors are barely educated time wasters with fragile egos. It will be toys-out-of-the-pram abuse from the puir wee bairns soon, I think...
26

Skip McClendon,

06/10/2008 15:45:27
#24

Well said. It is clear that this dispute is being led by the full-time officials, not the working signallers. But then, of course, it's the signallers who take the flak and lose 2 days pay, while the bullish and arrogant "leadership" lose nothing.
27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 15:47:30
22 I like typing trite self regarding waffle. Thats what i do.

Whats your agenda you mad witch ?
28

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 15:51:33
23 - if you're a higher rate taxpayer then I am Princess Diana and I drive a Trabant.

I can tell you're a small-minded twerp by the way you have resorted to picking me up for a typographical error. Yes, I can spell unimaginative, I simply mistyped it. Are you happy now that you've scored an insignificant point? What a loser you must be in real life.
29

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 15:55:18
lets all meet up for a drink.
30

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:57:25
#28 So if you're Princess Diana how come you're driving a Trabant? Welcome back and might I advise that a seat belt might be a good idea if you're to avoid any future accidents.

Your endless stream of cheap, personal abuse seems a long way removed from the principled stand you were making about car drivers? Perhaps it's just not a very well thought out argument you have? Don't think you've ever even attempted to tackle the bigger issues at all here have you? The continued provision of your pleasure and comfort is the biggest issue there is isn't there? Actually, maybe you are Princess D.
31

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:58:26
#29 Good idea. Sue can drive. Providing she's showered and there isn't a crumple on her.
32

BalernoBoy,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 15:59:08
Not only have we got 4 trains to get Glasgow folks to Edinburgh and Edinburgh folks to Glasgow at the end of the working day (last one at 6pm) on Tuesday and Thursday but has anyone checked out the upcoming engineering works also ? It's not just one week of chaos approaching - it's two. Timed nicely don't you think ? Anyone with a season ticket should get their money back (as if). Personally if I don't get to work I don't get paid so not only is it extremely inconsiderate of the RMT to cause such disruption to thousands of people, it is hurting the economy at a particularly bad time.

This strike will result in chucking people off the trains at 6pm because there will be too many people stranded. Oh well, the hotels will make some money I suppose...
33

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 16:00:29
27 - As your confession makes clear, you are a loser in cyberspace as well.

I have no agenda beyound making my point and then defending it (if needs be) until I have something better to do. Which could be any time now, thank God.
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 16:05:44
I'm rich , attractive , extremely well travelled , and i have forgotten more than you will ever know.

Unfortunately Im one hell of a wind up merchant also.

Ce'st la vie.
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 16:07:23
33 And off heads sue to buy a crate of vodka from the Gyle.
36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 16:08:42
I'm also NOT a higher rate taxpayer. I have a good accountant.
37

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 16:09:18
30 - I find cheap personal abuse to be an effective antidote to your sanctimonious, self-important sarcasm.

Let's face it, no rational argument is ever going to alter your single-issue fanaticism, so I may as well point out your shortcomings, which as you have helpfully pointed out, are endless.

You can always tell nutters because they are easier to wind up than a kid's toy train set.
38

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 16:11:46
29 - why don't you two get married? You deserve each other much more than I do.
39

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 16:23:05
already married sue. but not to him/that/she.

cheer up hen.
40

Sue Baru,

06/10/2008 16:40:08
39 - I am already quite cheery, thank you.

I'm even happier in the knowledge that NotaNumberYet and I will never meet, unless I happen to buy a Big Issue from him.

Good day to you.
41

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 16:42:39
#33 So for you Sue, it's all about the shouting? Make point and defend? No engagement with the views of others? No chance to take an alternate world view into your intellectual processes?

Is work not going so well these days?
42

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 16:46:22
#37 What's my single issue about which I'm fanatical?

"You can always tell nutters"...

..by looking at a mirror in your case...

"...because they are easier to wind up than a kid's toy train set."

Do you wind up train sets? I thought they were electric these days?
43

Hissy Fit,

06/10/2008 16:55:03
Whatever you say, NotQuiteNumbNuts, she certainly wound you up :0)
44

The Lone Haranguer,

06/10/2008 16:57:54
On todays Mock The Geek the points go to Sue Baru.
Definitely.
45

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 17:09:52
#43 I feel more invigorated than wound up. Like having an ongoing pop at Sarah Palin about her ludicrous notions all afternoon.
46

Twitch Doctor,

06/10/2008 17:23:03
Another way to detect the narcissistically self-opinionated psychotic is that they always have to have the last word.

Although a fixation with a public figure such as Sarah Palin leading to obsessive displacement behaviour is usually enough of a clue.
47

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/10/2008 17:28:27
(phew got out of that one)
48

Flies roond shïte,

06/10/2008 17:32:15
Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z...
Ah, here's Mario.
Always worth settling on.
Until he finishes gawping at Page 3 and rolls up The Sun...

49

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 17:33:36
Oh come on, the last word? I'm not that obsessive.
50

The real dracula,

06/10/2008 19:17:03
Reading your comments re driving.

I drive to work 3-4 times a week. I am not going to cycle or get the bus and I dont feel any guilt whatsoever.

Until they ban cars from the road I will carry on . And I dont give a monkeys if any of you think bad of me.
51

NotaNumberYet,

Edinburgh 06/10/2008 19:37:03
#50 Fair enough mate. Takes all sorts.
52

The Lone Haranguer,

06/10/2008 19:51:40
#51. You've calmed down. You were laying into Sue Baru just for wanting to use her car during the rail strike, but Mr. Unashamed Car Driver comes along and you're suddenly all conciliatory.

Did the nurse make you take your medication?
53

Hissy Fit,

06/10/2008 20:07:15
NotaNumptieYet - have I got news for you!
54

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 06/10/2008 20:43:36
Really rather sad that important issues are sidelined whilst 2 exceptionally stupid women carry out a nonsensical campaign against each other.

Come on girls give us a break !!
55

lachlan,

06/10/2008 22:48:32
something fishy going on.local authority workers on strike,only in scotland,signalmen on strike,only in scotland.unions back labour. s.n.p. in power in scotland.do i see pattern here.
56

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 00:59:15
This has only happened since the SNP took control of Scotland. I knew this would happen - but no one would listen to me....... well you made your bed - now lie in it!

 

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