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Published Date: 05 November 2009
A ROW has erupted over plans by the city's Lord Provost to spend £4,000 of taxpayer's money on a Burns Supper.
The city council has agreed to provide funding for the event in a move criticised by political opponents as a waste of taxpayers' money – coming as it does less than five weeks after the Lord Provost's annual Christmas networking reception.

The council is currently drawing up plans to slash spending next year and is facing a funding gap of more than £90 million over the next three years.

• Is the Lord Provost right to spend £4,000 on a council Burns Supper?

It will be the second consecutive year that the council has held a Burns Supper celebration, after an event was held earlier this year to mark the 250th anniversary of Robert Burns' birth.

Councillor Andrew Burns, leader of the Labour group on the city council, said: "Whilst I attended the last one we were happy to support it then because it was the 250th anniversary of Burns' birth but to hold it again is entirely inappropriate in the current economic climate.

"I recognise that there are advantages to these types of events but, in the current economic circumstances, every single one needs to be looked at closely on its own merits."

Green councillor Steve Burgess added: "I just feel at this time of school closures, pay disputes and cost-cutting, the council should not be spending £4,000 on a dinner."

However, deputy city leader Councillor Steve Cardownie, also leader of the SNP group on the council, hit back at the critics, saying:

"A Burns Supper is always significant. Andrew Burns attended the last one, and Eric Milligan toasted the haggis. It's disingenuous for Labour to say we shouldn't have another one. It's just petty politics. You can't say it's a worthwhile and successful event one year then never have it again."

Of around 80 guests last year, half were from business, culture and sport and "partner institutions", while six per cent were from education and five per cent from consular corps. All of the remaining 39 per cent were "council representatives".

The council is trying to secure a sponsor for the event, which would reduce the cost.

Council leader Jenny Dawe said: "This will, like last year's, be a relationship-building opportunity for our partner organisations and businesses working with us to take the city forward."


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  • Last Updated: 05 November 2009 9:27 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Skip McClendon,

05/11/2009 12:03:37
How will Grubby and Jenny and pals feasting on free food and drink benefit the Hoi Polloi, i.e the taxpayer?
2

Loving Mother,

05/11/2009 12:03:56
Close Schools but pay £4000:00 FOR A bURNS sUPPER rUBBISH
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 05/11/2009 12:05:21
A Burns supper is a good thing,but to expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab is a bit of,if Grubb is the host let him pay for it.
4

Paul Voltaire,

05/11/2009 12:14:28
Just a jolly for the councillors.
Not surprised to See Jenny Dawe fighting tooth-and-nail to keep it.
"Hiccup !"
5

alex patersons English teacher,

05/11/2009 12:21:51
3.
a burns supper can be a bit of iffy grubb indeed.
6

Sarcasm,

05/11/2009 12:22:35
Spinning Jenny at her best again.
7

JulesF,

Kirkliston 05/11/2009 12:33:19
The Twibbons boys could sponsor it surely, after all they are now worth millions :)
8

MOE,

05/11/2009 12:34:37
Greed is a terrible thing.Think how £4000 worth off hampers would be accepted by our troops abroad.
9

Philip Thompson,

Morningside 05/11/2009 12:39:12
Completely in favour of them having a nice Christmas meal (but paying for their own alcohol).

As far as celebrating Burns night goes...

Robbie Burns was a wife-beating alcoholic racist who was pretty illiterate. I hate it every time I'm forced to sit through 'entertainment' such as someone reading out his nonsense or worse... singing... usually done by a lady past her prime who thinks her shaky voice is tuneful.

I generally end up digging my fork into my leg as the pain is a nice distraction away from the misery of the event. Don't worry - I'm not self-harming. If I really wanted to inflict harm on myself I might actually eat some of the haggis.

Scotland has a lot to be proud of - Haggis, Kilts, Bagpipes and Robbie Burns aren't Scotland's greatest achievements and shouldn't be what we are proud to be known for.

I think I got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.
10

Kenny Ex pat in the US,

Florida 05/11/2009 12:43:47
Hey how about this

If the greedy #%**@!!## want to go to the Burns Supper why not make them buy a ticket, and if the turnout is poor then we all know they only went because it was free. then next year we dont have one

anyone agree
11

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05/11/2009 12:44:31
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
12

Eugene Fraxby,

Kilbirnie 05/11/2009 12:46:14
Yes, we do.
13

malcyh,

05/11/2009 12:50:00
So approx 80 guests - £50 a head?? Who's doing the catering. Haggis Neeps and Tatties I would suggest are relatively cheap.
14

Busy bus user ,

05/11/2009 12:53:42
#11

There are times when such events are appropriate, but when the Council is saying there is a serious cash shortage and that money must be saved to the extent that services may be reduced, I cannot see the justification for this - particularly if 39% of attendees are Council representatives. That makes spending £4,000 of our hard-earned cash a disgrace.

How Grubby can this lot get?
15

regentlad,

Lothian 05/11/2009 12:58:38
Last we heard from Grubb he was planning a freebe to India, must be back and ready for more. Don't think anyone has a problem with 'Grubb' living up to his name - providing he pays for it.

Spending other peoples money has become a hobby of this council. As for Cardownie - now a liability to the SNP. Pity they hadn't kept door locked when he came begging.
16

Heedbanger,

05/11/2009 12:59:50
I agree with this expense totally. Why not you moaning gits??

If you were the Lord Provost you wouldn't be saying it is a waste of tax payers money would you.

Exactly.

Readers: Back to sleep!!
17

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 13:03:22
Councillors need to treat our money as if it were from their own family. If they cannot, we need new Councillors.

It's ridiculous to be spending our money on throwing a party. If they really have so much spare money to throw around, they should cut taxes and return it to its rightful owners.

If they really must have a party, then charge the guests to cover the costs. That's how it's done at my workplace.
18

Rugal,

05/11/2009 13:07:12
Why doesn't The Provost hold a charity fundraising Burns Night?

£100 a ticket all proceeds to local charities. I don't have a problem with The City Council providing the venue for free and The Provost & his wife coming along as guests. Every other councillor should pay.
19

Foo,

05/11/2009 13:11:37
#9

I agree
20

AlanGS,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:40:00
What part of the recession does this @rsehole not understand? Waste of money!
21

Rugal,

05/11/2009 13:51:26
Part of the problem is events like this have always been seen as a reward, now that's fine when councillors were in the main unpaid.

Nobody forced people like Cardownine to stand for office, which comes with a salary, it is high time these freebies were knocked on the head. If he doesn't want to pay for it, along with Andrew Burns, fair enough don't go.

Maybe TIE could sponsor this years event, they seem pretty adept at spending money on PR.
22

Gibbythehibby ,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 14:28:48
Of course Cardownie wants this supper to go ahead. He'll take everything he can get for nothing. No doubt hiring a taxi at our expense to take him there, claiming he,s on council business
23

blackley,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 14:29:01
How mealy-mouthed can people get, if you'll pardon the pun. Have your Burns Night and enjoy it Mr Provost!
24

Sedov,

05/11/2009 14:33:19
Steve Cardownie - one time marxist and opponent of junkets and jollies at the tax payers expense.

Now this poacher turned gamekeeper has plummented new depths in finding reasons to spend £4000 on haggis and neeps against a background of austerity, poverty and hardship for many of the people he is supposed to represent. What a creep!

I'm sure that if the councillors and their hangers on have a whip round to pay for a reasonably priced Burns supper in a local working mens or miners club, say Loanhead or Whitburn or even Leith they would have a great time.
25

steve 1511,

aberdeen 05/11/2009 14:42:16
that amount of money could be spent on free beer for all the cooncil workers
26

Xena - Warrior Princess,

05/11/2009 15:16:05
#10 Kenny completely agree!
27

Porty Punter,

05/11/2009 15:39:02
It's funny how the council needs to save £92 million, there are salary cuts and service levels are surely going to drop as a result. And yet..... I couldn't help noticing the Lord Provost has a shiny new 7 series BMW parked out the front of the City chambers and now he is throwing this do at our expense????

I expect his former Lexus was no longer suitable? I expect the people attending this bevvy session at the tax payers expense are in the poorest catagory and couldn't afford to contribute to their own food and drink?

"Of around 80 guests last year, half were from business, culture and sport and "partner institutions", while six per cent were from education and five per cent from consular corps. All of the remaining 39 per cent were "council representatives"."

Oops wrong again!!

What exactly is the Lord Provost doing to cut spending? What exactly are we the tax payer getting for our money other than another 80 drunks on the streets of Edinburgh?
28

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 16:01:44
I think we should name this the "Cash For Mash" scandal.
29

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 16:11:31
Not as much waste as Councillor Burns supper tram line
30

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 16:14:09
Not much compared to the £16,000 taxpayers paid for Jim Murphy's web site.

31

totally indecent,

05/11/2009 16:36:32
31 - Ooooh do we get biscuits and cocoa?
32

Gorgie Anthony,

05/11/2009 17:01:54
They could always buy tickets themselves, £4000/80 = £50 a skull. No doubt they would just stick it on expenses. Seems a bit pricey for haggis, neeps and tatties.
33

paul the binman,

sittin in candle light eating gruel :{ 05/11/2009 18:09:44
Bring in the private sector,they can eat a Burns supper at half the price as the in house lot can : )
34

paul the binman,

05/11/2009 18:10:47
Or do scousers each haggis ?
35

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 19:16:06
Not that I have so much as the time of day for Grubb, Dawg or Komrade Kardownski, but Dopey Burns is a total hypocrite to be whinging about them now, considering how he and his chums Anderson, Cairns, Child, Hinds, Rasputin Aitken, Davies, the Execrable Milligan and all the rest troughed themselves to the Oxters at public expense when they were in power!
36

keit011,

05/11/2009 21:11:03
i bet the council folk still get the taxis here there and everywhere at our expense
37

RS2,

05/11/2009 21:17:13
remember Animal Farm

we are all equal , but some are more equal than others.

While the Politicians have their Snout in the Trough,
Frontline services are being cut, to help out the Councils multi million pound budget deficit


Oink Oink
38

RS2,

05/11/2009 21:17:58
Lord Provost's annual Christmas networking reception.?

39

regentlad,

Lothian 05/11/2009 21:43:01
35: That describes the previous 'administration' well. Dopey will be along anyways and I'd expect Rev Aitken saying the Grace and Eric Jambo running the bar as they all get stuck in to the free supper.

Wonder how many would go if they all had to pay? That being the case no doubt Grubb and Daws would be driven somewhere else for free.

40

JulesF,

Kirkliston 05/11/2009 21:46:44
#37 Nail, head hit !!!!!
41

dba,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 22:09:16
WORDS VERY NEAR FAIL ME!

1: The Council have only recently announced that they are facing a 245 MILLION POUND DEFICIT over the next few years.
2: Today the Auditor General announced that the Scottish Government is facing a 3 BILLION POUND DEFICIT over the next few years (And Edinburgh will have to endure a percentage of that).
3: Earlier this year our SNP Administration slashed 10 MILLION POUNDS from the budget for community based groups and the disadvantaged.
4: Earlier this year we heard that Provost Grubb, his wife and a City Officer were to go to a book festival IN MUMBAI at a cost of several thousand pounds! (Happily the idea was cancelled.)
5: We havce already been warned that the Winter Festival / Hogamany is expected to make a loss of anything between £20,000 and £100,000!

I don't know what Messrs Grubb and Cardownie are inbibing, inhaling or injecting but, at a time when the majority of their citizens are counting every penny, many of themfacing redunancy or worse....and our 'civic leaders'think it reasonable to spend £4000 on a Burns Supper?
Could this be an Edinburgh version of 'let them eat cake?'
A: I ask Audit Scotland to launch an investigation into this proposal.
B: I ask for a vote on the proposal to be held BY THE FULL COUNCIL.
C: I respectfully remind Messrs Grubb and Cardownie that the next Municipal Elections ARE NOT THAT FAR AWAY!
D; Having a lavish Burns Supper is a GREAT idea...but like so many MP's - you both get paid gentlemen... so pay for it out of your alaries (NOT your expenses).
42

SwampFox,

St Petersburg, FL 06/11/2009 01:37:33
£4000? How many Haggis are going to have to be killed to supply this event? ;-)

That much money is enough to purchase over 300 kilos of haggis from the McKean Family of Haggis.
43

Blondie,

06/11/2009 09:53:06
#42 Exactly - won't someone please think of the poor haggis!! Stop the needless slaughter!

 

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