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Protests as BNP reveals plan to run in Granton by-election



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Published Date: 13 October 2008
A PROTEST is set to be launched in north Edinburgh after the British National Party announced it will stand in next month's council by-election.
Union leaders and politicians from all major parties were united in anger today after the news was revealed.

It will be the first time the far-right BNP has stood for election to the city council.

Scottish anti-fascist groups recently campaigned against the BNP candidate in the Baillieston council by-election in Glasgow and there were protests outside some polling stations on election day. The party came sixth, beating the Greens.

John Stevenson, Unison branch president at the city council, today said he would speak to colleagues about how to tackle the BNP in the Capital and said a similar campaign was likely to take place.

"It is a very sad day when the politics of hatred are brought into Edinburgh," he said.

"There are so many important issues we're facing and we need sensible politics, not the diversion that this will bring. The issues we're facing are financial and organisational, and are not the fault of any racial group.

"We have lots of experience campaigning (against the BNP] in north England, and having heard this, I will now raise it with colleagues."

In last year's Holyrood regional list for the Lothians, the BNP came ninth out of 23 parties, with 2637 votes, or 0.92 per cent, beating the Scottish Socialist Party in the process. But a BNP candidate has never appeared on city council ballot papers, despite a threat to stand at the 2003 elections.

In 2004, the party raised its profile in the Lothians by launching a local branch at a secret location in Bathgate. The same year, supporters also publicly campaigned against a ban on flying the Union flag inside Tynecastle.

Ahead of the Forth ward by-election on November 6, BNP Scottish secretary Gary Raikes said today: "We will be standing a candidate in this election. At this time we are going through the selection process."

The party has an estimated 58 elected councillors in local government in England, but none in Scotland.

Lib Dem council leader Jenny Dawe said: "This is something we've always avoided in Edinburgh. Officially, they are a political party, but we would hope that what they stand for doesn't find any favour – and I wouldn't expect it to."

Labour group leader Andrew Burns added: "I'm very saddened to hear they're standing in Edinburgh – it is the first time it has happened in recent memory.

"I completely and absolutely abhor their ideology and I hope everyone will ignore them."

SNP group leader Steve Cardownie said: "This is the price we pay for living in a democracy, but I'm sure the BNP will get the number of votes it deserves."

Tory Forth ward councillor Allan Jackson added: "Personally, I don't see any place for that kind of politics in Edinburgh. It's their democratic right to stand, but I'm surprised because I doubt there will be very much support."


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  • Last Updated: 13 October 2008 10:08 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
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1

Mallory,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:25:43
If you don't agree with or like the BNP - don't vote for em. Unfortunately in a democracy they have a right to stand for election.
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13/10/2008 12:26:00
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 12:30:40
Has anyone here read the manifesto???

I'm no BNP supporter, and out of the 15 items, I agree with 12 of them.I dont agree that all foreigners should be sent home, black or white, but I can see how the normal punter on the road would vote for them on grass roots issues. Give it a read and make your own mind up!
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elayne,

13/10/2008 12:32:35
there is NO WAY i agree with their policies,but its a free country(so were told!)so sadly they have as much right to any other political party to stand
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Hector the Red,

13/10/2008 12:33:50
Hopefully they will get little or no votes which should signal to them that they are neither welcome or wanted in Scotland!
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Artemis,

13/10/2008 12:34:44
The BNP are clever - they have written their manifesto and their website so that at first glance a lot of what they see seems to be reasonable. It's only when you read a bit more and look at bit more closely that you realise what hate-filled racists and sexists they are. Last time I looked, they were saying that they would bring back national service, at the end of national service every adult would get an automatic weapon to keep in their house, and anyone who didn't do national service wouldn't be able to vote. They're barking mad and I hope the people of Granton ignore them.
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Propaganda boy,

13/10/2008 12:41:06
The only protest people should be making is by not voting if they don't agree.

Everyone surely has a right to stand and everyone has a right to vote for who they want. If they are not the majority they don't get in.
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 12:43:28
#7 as normal made yourself look stupid.

Remember, people dont like liars, didnt your mum tell you that!!!!

I guess the bnp scares the hell out of you. Just imagine if they got into power, you'll be out.
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ZipptJeffrey,

Castle 13/10/2008 12:45:08
The failure of mainstream political parties is the boon of the BNP. Both Left wing AND right wing parites have failed to counter the argument of the BNP. The cruel thing here is that the BNP has been very adept at focusing on local issues and hammering away at it to the detriment of Labour and Conservative parties. I would say that the BNP campaigning is more focused and efficient that the big parties, so thats why they get a lot more votes than people expect. Its better that the BNP are in the democratic process , os that they can be controlled and dealt with in a rational manner. to ban them means that a lot of supporters would to underground, and thats where we would see a LOT of problems. A good coherent argument will always win out aganst the BNP.
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gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:47:51
point 1. were are a free country, a fundamentally christian country.
point 2. anyone can stand for local/governmental elections.
point 3. (am not a racist) but i believe that our natural tongue is english
point 4.we have to abide by the law, why is it changed?to suit i mean?
let the voters decide and the "main" political parties would do well to really get out into he streets and find out what the "real" people are wanting instead of sitting discussing trivia like trams and how can we cause more disruption.
intergration is the key, but on the terms of the country and their laws and customs.
12

Daft Old Git,

13/10/2008 12:52:53
#2
Yes they do this in lots of other countries. They are called dictatorships
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Edinbro,

13/10/2008 12:56:45
3# All of the BNP's 'local' policies are simply there to provide window dressing for their core message of racism and hatred, which must be rejected.

Yes, in a democracy, they have a right to stand. But in a democracy, I also get to call those in the BNP by their true titles - Nazis.
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familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:56:56
BNP in Edinburgh - this is fantasitic news. A real Nationalist party at last
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Jock MacSprog,

13/10/2008 12:59:39
instead of being "saddened" the opposition should just beat them fairly. Its ultimately up to the voters. If you want to ban far right parties, fine, that also means we will have to ban far left parties such as the SSP. I have no problem with that, but we cant be selective.
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 13:07:10
#19

Exactly, its either all or none! This means the greens too!!!!

End of the day, people will either vote for them, or they wont. As rightly above, the bnp have included a lot of items in their manifesto with a great general appeal to the masses. As i said, I agree with 12 out of the 15 items, does this make me racist? If you consider I voted the snp only to get the trams banned, i can see why people can relaste more to the bnp than any other party.
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alex patersons English teacher,

13/10/2008 13:11:24
20 get a grope of youself.

clearly english isnt your mothers tongue.
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 13:13:20
#24 ha ah , nor yours !!!!!
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 13:18:32
#26 true, or perhaps he was thinking of my other head ;-)
24

Hmm?,

13/10/2008 13:18:58
That photo of Nick Griffin makes him look like that bloke in the movie "V for Vendetta" who ranted away in his tv programme.
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 13:20:03
#27

You said it, or is that a lie, can never tell from you.
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alex patersons English teacher,

13/10/2008 13:20:43
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Lick talking candy from a baby, ho yeah.
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queen bees,

wardie 13/10/2008 13:24:28
bnp has been allowed to take root because we are soooooo politically correct we are not allowed to say whats on our mind
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Big Fi,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 13:24:44
Since Islam declared war I vote BNP whenever I get the chance. They are the only politicians who aren't in the game to further their own ends - being a BNP candidate isn't good for your business career.
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Mikey,

13/10/2008 13:28:09
No point in arguing with BNP suppoorters, Foo. They have less education than a ten year old.

Another Britnat party! Just what the people of Scotland need! I just hope the people of Granton see them for what they are and vote as Scottish people for Scottish parties.
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Old Cartha Boy,

13/10/2008 13:29:26
What's their position on the trams? - that could be a winning/losing stance!

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fresian,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 13:35:25
To be honest, they don't stand a cats chance in hell, however, they will appeal to some people on the basis that this country has gone to the dogs under Liebour. We currently have no control over feral youth and no respect or confidence in our legal system and no real control on immigration. If the mainstream parties were to get tough on these issues then these clowns wouldn't get anywhere near. But to ban them would be utterly wrong, they are as entitled to their opinion as anyone else. Ban the far Right and you have to ban the far left as well, each is as damaging to the country as the other, albeit in a different way.
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Hibs Kid,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 13:36:08
I wonder why the BNP are targeting Granton and not Morningside or Murrayfield?
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Scotish Exile,

13/10/2008 13:40:00
Look at Northern Ireland, Sinn Feinn in many instances are represented by killers and bombers who murdered many, many many innocent men, women and children, and they are running the country now. Why then the disquiet about the BNP?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

13/10/2008 13:40:38
#2 mystic offers:

"Can the government not legislate against these far-right parties?"

Hmmm, you really don't get more far-right than mystic eh?
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

13/10/2008 13:42:36
Can't see what all the fuss is about. If you don't like the BNP then don't vote for them but nobody has any right to say who will stand at an election and who other people can or can't vote for.
Anways is the BNP really that much different from some SNP activists.
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Boy Wonder,

13/10/2008 13:47:50
It's up to the locals to treat the BNP as they deserve. NO VOTES!!! Send 'em packing!!!
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hibs on tour,

Britain 13/10/2008 13:53:22
#36 blah blah blah your boring

you live in scotland part of BRITAIN get over it
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Liz,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 13:53:38
I find all this middle class horror at the thought of a BNP candidate rather sad.
Rather than being shocked and self rightous about it it may be more contructive to have a close look about how and why people might be voting BNP. People are obviously becoming disinfranchised with the current set up and for whatever reason the BNP very often get a protest vote.
Whether their arguments and policies are correct, people are in situations where they can be easily convinced to vote for them - getting to the route cause of people disatisfaction is what we should be aiming for, not banning any political party who's views one does not agree with - that is an even more dangerous route to take.
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tomias,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:08:42
Remember Chamnerlane- no not the PM,his brother !
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tomias,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:09:09
Apologies- Chamberlane the PM
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gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:13:38
whilst i agree with many of the above comments my main point in my post was, with the famous enoch powell speech from the 60's in mind ( and the " i told you so!) we in scotland elected a "nationalist" party albeit with only a majority of 1. why run from the blatantly obvious? nationalism means exactly what it says, so if you support a "great britain" then you are a nationalist same as voting scots nat,one reason to sway me to vote for the bnp would, without question,be; i am british, i speak english, i am a christian, i travel abroad i am an ambassador for this great country therefor i behave in accordance with the laws etc of that country therefor i expect anyone coming here to do me the civility at least of reciprocating. we are far too soft, and has been said by many in previous post on similar subjects, are known world wide as a soft touch, ie= go to britain;get a house free,get free furniture, get free money,start a business and get free tax for a year and more hand outs and all the benefits that we the tax payer have paid for all our lives and out forefathers.
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Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:16:39
Deary me... Like granton doesn't have enough problems already?

BNP= NF= Racism.

All this... 'I actually agree with many of their policies'... nonsense 'but I'm not a racist'... cr4p is the biggest problem that we face as a liberal society to be honest. Too many people are doing exactly the same thing on a larger but hopefully less damaging scale right now by even considering a swing in their voting towards the centre right, never mind the far right!

If people would actually learn the lessons of history and not just believe any old nonsense thrown up to cloud the genuine aims of a well known racist group then we would not have to live in fear of a bunch of facist nazi apologist ever even having to be taken seriously, never mind them actually having a chance of running in a local election in a city that was part of the enlightenment movement.

These guys are exposed time and time again with hidden cameras on documenteries and by newspapers, spouting forth filth about how we are being opressed by evil Johnny Foreigner and yet in a perversly ironic atempt to appear open minded people still take them seriously as a political party and not the contemptible scum that they are.

We would have no NHS if it was not for immigration as so many of our medical graduates become immigrants themselves by chasing more money outside britain.

We should not onlt learn the lessons of the 30's but look to more modern examples of where such far right ideas get us...

Zimbabwe: Once one of the richest countries in Africa, now in ruins because Mugabe tried to expell the experienced farmers on grounds of race and gave their land to inexperienced people of the 'right' race who subsequently allowed the crops to fail.

Bosnia: Ethnic cleansing and civil war from setting race against race.

The folly of these extremist nut-jobs is there for all to see around the world throughout the ages but while we still have people ignorant and naive enough to give this idiots the time of
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Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:17:05
... day we refuse to learn from the mistakes of the past.
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alex patersons English teacher,

13/10/2008 14:22:52
52
is chamber lane related to Lois Lain, super mans friend, am and pm, all day long in fact.
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13/10/2008 14:27:24
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THE BPRENTICE,

Banque Nationale de Paris 13/10/2008 14:30:05
yer kiddin?

The BNP?

The same organisation that uses the terror group Combat 18 to act as stewards for their rallies?

The same Mein Kampf reading, hitler saluting, holocaust denying, cross burning, everybody-hating organisation that wants us all to have guns in our homes?

The same party that does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalised British citizens?

yer kiddin!?

Nah!! Most Granton folk will have far more sense than giving these nimrods the time of day.

Let them waste their deposit .... its no biggy!!
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THE BPRENTICE,

Bhutan National Party 13/10/2008 14:34:04
A BBC Panorama programme reported on a number of BNP members who have had criminal convictions, some racially motivated. The BBC's list is extensive. Some of the more notable convictions include:

In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.

Kevin Scott, the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.

Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin, has served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.

Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Mr Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.

Colin Smith, BNP South East London organiser has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

... yet #3 "allknowing" - is bobbing around somewhere out on the far right wing with his pillow case over his heid, trying to give them a chance.

What a dumkopf!!
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Liz,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:35:01
#50
Yes, it is called history and that is why we should learn from it. Instead of throwing out hands up in horror and banning such parties (and therefore loosing any control we might of had of them) we should be trying to understand why people are being driven to vote for them and do something about it.

The BNP play on the perceived injustices that can be expoited during certain economic conditions. If the white working class are feeling a sense of injustice and therefore are given a reason for voting BNP - it is up to those in power to listen to these potential BNP voters, hear their views and where neccesary do something to help them. The fact that the views and opinions of so many people are simply dismissed leads to fringe parties gaining more and more power.
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fresian,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:37:33
I have actually read Mein Kampf, and am not a racist. There may be certain elements in our society today who deserve to be put to work or gassed (neds, chavs etc.) but foreign workers..no way.

As far as "everyone hating" is concerned...that sounds like it might be right up Jenny MacArthur's street.
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Pilton D,

North Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:40:13
Whilst I hate the BNP and all that it stands for, this will waken up those standing for election. Not one of the candidates, be it Labour, Liberal, SNP or Conservative has any REAL solutions on the table at present for the working class people in this part of town.

Lack of education, jobs and opportunity are worse than ever. Add to that the massive drug problems with people dying every week and the odd murder, attack, shooting or all out warfare over it, it doesn't take a genius to work out that this place is ripe for the Nazi nonsense.

People need to wake up to the views of many in the schemes, they blame the rich, the ruling class, the police, the Government, the Council and above all, migrants for their social ills. Stealing our homes and our jobs is the common cry, the Poles are hated as are the many Chinese and Africans in North Edinburgh.

This could be very dangerous unless the other parties wake up and offer a real alternative around here.
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

13/10/2008 14:46:43
What was that poem? First they came for the Communists and I did nothing because I wasn't a communist, then it was the jews? Well that is what the people who vote for the BNP will have to think about when they eventually come for them.
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Waiting For It To Snow Some More,

13/10/2008 14:48:32
#64

Agree with what your saying, the mainstream parties better get some sort of act together as these BNP types do not have any right to have a place in our society, far less any other. From somebody who does not live and never has had any connection with Granton, i really hope the people of this area tell the BNP where to get to.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:48:52
To ban the BNP would be as fascist as they are. In a democracy all ideas are legitimate, no matter how distasteful or 'off the wall'. Occasionally some 'crazy' ideas actually make it to the mainstream....Scottish Independence for example.

Prof Peter Higg's idea re the creation of the Universe wasn't exactly greeted with open arms when first muted 40 years ago, but now it's being tested in a multi billion pound underground 'lab'.

Society has a long history of being wrong on so many issues, though I can't imagine fascism being one of them, that we have to keep an open mind on all new ideas.

It's that attitude that moves Human Development forward. We can and should attempt to beat this particular idea into the ground, but we should never seek to ban its very existence, unless of course it preaches any form of violence.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:58:05
BNP will only 100 or sp votes to make a fuss or to ban them only helps their British Nationalist cause.

The Forth ward is a two horse race between Labour and SNP. Lib Dems were only 4th at last May's Council election in Forth and SNP has greatly increased its popularity since then.
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James (1),

13/10/2008 14:58:58
#5 I think you will be surprised! #7 I think you will be feeling a wee bit nervous about this?
#61 you have a good point! It is the minority who appear to rule the roost. That cannot be right! So if a party plays on the fears of the majority then I would suggest that party is going to get in.
Call them nazi call them anything you want. The thing is if we keep letting the tail wag the dog you are fanning the embers of unrest.
Hitler did not get into power just because he kept his hair tidy and trimmed his moustache. He played on peoples unspoken fears.
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 15:03:09
#60, you think the bnp are bad. Using your logic, people who support tory and labour are pedos and sexual devients. See below
Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child p**n.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child p**n on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child p**n.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and p**n through customs.

Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for **** in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmorden) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Par
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allknowing,

13/10/2008 15:04:42
Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour’s current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston - Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as “As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember” Preston also holds the position on the Council of… `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

. Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson - Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.


Makes the BNP look very good after all
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THE BPRENTICE,

13/10/2008 15:10:04
#62 fresian, just because you've read read Mein Kampf doesn't make you a rascist ... but the mian guy Griffin has been publicly quoted as saying he uses it "like his bible" ... thats what I was refering to.

#67 I'm not averse to the concept of banning the BNP altogether - our Police Force and our Prison Service have officially done it - and I'm happy they have.

... put it this way ... there must be a line somewhere:

for example, if someone had a 'lets hang non-whites from the nearest tree' party, you must agree that freedom of speech there should be withdrawn in that case?
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THE BPRENTICE,

13/10/2008 15:24:08
#s 70+71 that DOESN'T "make the BNP look very good after all" - it just makes the people you've highlighted look like they're they are more fit to hold the bars of a jail cell than holding office in our country.

I fail to see why a Labour Councillor in Newton Aycliffe being convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys, gives a mandate to the BNP to pedal their hate?

Please explain.

Wait.

No. Don't bother. I'm pretty sure you're on the wind up? So I'll leave you alone with your own company if that's alright with you mamma.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 15:27:23
Nazi scum. Never again.
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Brian the Barbarian.,

Grantom 13/10/2008 15:34:36
At least the BNP would not give £400,000.00 of taxpayers money to a Muslim study group in Glasgow.

They would not print every council leaflet in Urdu and change the sinage on toilet doors to read in Mandarin.

They would not tickle the housing list to give every Pole an unfair advantage over local people.

They would not employ council workers who can't speak english.

What are you all so afraid of ? A political party that looks after local indidgenous people before foreigners ? What's the problem ?

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porters at 9,

13/10/2008 15:49:59
75 posts of complete drivel.. then a bit of light at the end of the tunnel
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cramond1,

Neuilly-Sur -Seine 13/10/2008 15:50:50
Not another bank. Give it a tiny island in the Forth, preferably covered at high tide.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 15:53:59
foo why did your family fight at all if all you want to do is hand it over to terrorists , who amazingly are all muslims or does that make me a racist because i dare to speak out , while everyone with ounce of sense hates what the bnp stand for they are the only party that doesnt pander to the next suicide bomber, and they dont march all over our country because the danes published a cartoon and in the ensuing chaos all over the world didnt butcher over 10 000 non muslims , becuase until brain dead people like wake up and smell the kebab we will never get rid of the disease that is the islamic terrorist from this country , the sun newspaper showed to videos of the london bombings one from the thursday before and one on the day of bombings in the first one theres thousands of asians using station on dau in question there were hardly any or was that just a coincedence or were they told at the last prayer meeting not to turn up because there was going to be a bombing
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alex patersons English teacher,

13/10/2008 16:14:24
70,71

where can i join your scottish party, the havent a klu klux clan.
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13/10/2008 16:27:24
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alex patersons English teacher,

13/10/2008 16:39:05
84 Punctuation is your friend, use it.
You say "the only party that doesnt pander

tsk tsk, people in gloss houses are only a stones throw from painting over the iraqs.
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10inchsoft,

13/10/2008 17:58:19
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I must have annoyed somebody earlier,

13/10/2008 18:09:25
BNP Councillors

Luke Smith (Burnley). Was forced to resign after he smashed a bottle into the face of a Leeds BNP organiser. Despite claiming to be the party of law and order, the BNP failed to call in the police and press charges. Smith had only recently been convicted of football violence when he was elected as a BNP candidate. He has had several more recent convictions and was sentenced to 11 months imprisonment after being caught fighting in Manchester.

Brian Turner (Burnley). Was convicted of attacking his wife and a police officer whilst a councillor yet the BNP refused to disown him. In fact they even defended him by issuing a statement saying: “we are not in the business of persecuting our members because the state considers someone guilty.”

Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Is currently facing charges on housing benefit fraud. Despite this the BNP has refused to disown him or demand his resignation if he is found guilty.

Robin Evans (Blackburn). Left the BNP after complaining about the drug dealers and football hooligans who dominated his local BNP branch.

Terry Farr (Epping). Was suspended by the Standards Board after writing abusive letters. The hearing also said that it was fair political comment for a rival candidate to call the BNP Nazi.

Ramon Johns (Broxbourne). Was elected on the promise to campaign for free bus passes for all the elderly but then immediately voted against such a plan once elected.

James Lloyd (Sandwell). Campaigned on a ticket to make parents responsible for the crimes of their children. What he failed to tell voters was that his own son was one of the areas worst offenders. Also recently put out BNP leaflets claiming a local library building was going to become a mosque. When it was proved that this was a lie he did not apologise but simply claimed that somebody had obviously made up quotes from him."

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frannylee,

Penicuik 13/10/2008 19:03:22
The BNP don't want the UK to lose it's British culture which is being diluted by the large numbers of immigrants in the Country, yet the Church of Scotland wants Sharia law to be allowed to be practised in Scotland. Who are more dangerous, the BNP or the Church? Seems fairly obvious to me!!
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 19:07:09
i love it when so called educated folk on this site start ripping the p1sh out of someone who cant read, write proper then tell them how wrong they are and how racist they are , but never, ever explain to them why this country is under threat and who or what is causing this problem, becuase it most certainly is not the bnp, plus foo why did your family fight facism if you are by your own words trying to destroy freedom of speech
or do you want this country to live under a threat of being blown by anyone who doesnt get their own way, the FACTS are simple ,we are under threat by islamic extremists or was 7/7 like 9/11 a conspiracy against muslims
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Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 19:08:47
#40
Morningside will always vote Conservative.
Seems to me that the wealthy in Edinburgh have senior positions in local government and also run their own home business.

BNP will get the most gains from people who see someone else taking the council housing, and local jobs they are qualified to do. Watch the "BNP song" on youtube and you will see what fears they are playing on.

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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 19:13:00
and for educated folk, not one of can read , when did i say all muslims are terrorists , but its a fact that it wasnt anyone other than muslim suicide bombers who blew up a tube and a bus then
tried to blow up glasgow airport
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 19:16:57
fussy, being in the bnp does not make them and their policies wrong ,its fact that you ve more chance of getting a house, job etc if you play the race card
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Steve Michael,

Overcrowded Southern England 13/10/2008 19:23:18
Unlike the left, the far left, the communists, and the marxists who are systematically destroying this country the BNP are now the last bastion of hope for many and overall their policies are more appealing and make good common sense. Nick Griffin is the finest modern day politician this country has and the sooner they rise to power the better all our lives will be.
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Steve Michael,

13/10/2008 19:31:02
It's most pleasing to read and to hear that the BNP is not only the most talked about political party but that it's website gets more traffic than the lib/lab/tory websites combined.
Real tangible power is not that far away and it cannot come a moment too soon :-)
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Christina, Aberdeen,

13/10/2008 19:46:28
#97 Don't count on it.

"In last year's Holyrood regional list for the Lothians, the BNP came ninth out of 23 parties, with 2637 votes, or 0.92 per cent..."

I think it is far better to let them stand and be humiliated by the electorate - see above - than try to censor view that we disagree with and let them claim to be martyrs.


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Christina, Aberdeen,

13/10/2008 19:50:03
# 94 Some Catholic priests are paedophiles. So does that mean all Catholics are a danger to kids? Anybody who is stupid enough to believe your logic should indeed vote BNP. You truly deserve each other.
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Christina, Aberdeen,

13/10/2008 19:56:11
BTW, most of the BNP candidates who stood for the Scottish Parliament in May 2008 had absolutely no connection with Scotland whatsoever.

In order to complete their lists, the BNP had to make an appeal to their members in England in order to recruit paper candidates with Scottish sounding names.

To paraphrase the song, Scotland "sent them homewards, tae think again!"
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

13/10/2008 20:05:00
The Council needs livened up & we should be welcoming new parties & candidates with open arms. The BNP would be a much needed breath of fresh air.
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Tony Ward,

13/10/2008 20:21:10
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mystic,
Edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:26:00

"Can the government not legislate against these far-right parties? They should be completely banned from politics."

Why stop at half measures, why not ban all political opponents. We've already had over 3000 new laws passed under this corrupt government restricting free speech. Now you want a government who took us into an illegal war based on what they now admit knew where lies before the invasion making them war criminals! You think the BNP are bad based on what this shower has fed you. I'm in a mixed race marriage, I volunteered for the IDF and was in Tel Aviv and at the Diezengoff centre when the bombing was at its hight. That won't cut no ice with you the brain washed though will it? To you I will still be a Nazi, racist BNP candidate. Don't let the truth get in the way, just ban political opponents and then in a fit of hypocrisy call them Fascists! Oh the irony of it!
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Tony Ward,

13/10/2008 20:25:45
Christina, Aberdeen,
13/10/2008 19:56:11
BTW, most of the BNP candidates who stood for the Scottish Parliament in May 2008 had absolutely no connection with Scotland whatsoever.

In order to complete their lists, the BNP had to make an appeal to their members in England in order to recruit paper candidates with Scottish sounding names.

To paraphrase the song, Scotland "sent them homewards, tae think again!"

I take it you would have no problem with Asian candidates or MP's then, which you already have, just the English. Hang on a moment does that not make you a racist?
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bertie bert,

13/10/2008 21:01:17
mystic,Edinburgh , Guess who you are sounding like?
a Dictator!

The general public are by now used to the most foul and vile insults being hurled at the BNP by the media and their left wing friends. It’s not new any more. But they may also be noticing a lack of substance to the allegations of thuggery from the Party. Where are all the victims of BNP violence? Where are all the ethnic minority people beaten black and blue by marauding gangs of BNP members? They seem to be very thin on the ground - in fact even that’s an exaggeration - there aren’t any!

Granted every party has it's nutters.
just google liars bu***** and thieves.

The BBC and other main stream media attended the recent stoke rally, and the BBC on their website said,,, AND I QUOTE "About 300 people attended, at most - mainly tattooed males with shaved heads, but also young couples - some with babies - young women and a few quiet-looking pensioners. "

Well where are all the photographs and video footage of all these 300 tattoed men ????
You mean to say of all the Mainstream and local media, they came back with no photos or video of all these tattoed skinheads ???

Quite simply because it's not true !

and it was more like 700 normal people from all walks of life who went out and delivered some 50,000 leaflets within 3 hours , and all well behaved.


“All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
- Schopenhauer

Come on then tell us all the vile policies the BNP have, no one ever actually quotes one, they just keep parrot fashion chanting vile policies.

Now instead of the usual Nazi gibberish and name calling about the BNP, you could easily of mentioned all of their vile policies.

Now lets see what they have in the way of policies.

Out of the EU,a saving of about £1.5million per hour, to be invested in Britain for the British.

All ILLEGAL immigrants of (whae
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bertie bert,

13/10/2008 21:19:13
Now instead of the usual Nazi gibberish and name calling about the BNP, you could easily of mentioned all of their vile policies.

Now lets see what they have in the way of policies.

Out of the EU,a saving of about £1.5million per hour, to be invested in Britain for the British.

All ILLEGAL immigrants of (whaever race colour) to be deported.
All BOGUS asylum seekers to be deported (of what ever race colour)
Remaining immigrants of whatever colour race, would be offered a generous grant if they wished to return to their country of origin.
All people living in Britain of whatever race/colour abides by British laws.

All troops out of illegal wars, and back home looking after OUR borders and OUR democracy, not trying to force our democracy in foreign countries.

Capital punishment as an OPTION for judges in cases of child MURDER, or Terrorisim. where dna and evidence is 100% certain.
Non violent prisoners will tagged and out working on sea defences, and restoring the canals, not sat in cells playing games 23 hours a day.

Return of all utilities GAS/ELEC/WATER /COAL/RAILWAYS etc Run by the British for the British.
and many more!

Note how the media still use photographs that show BNP candidates in heavy shadow, a trick the BBC use to make the nose cast a shadow under the nose to look like a hitler moustache.
Its all old hat now.
Just visit their website and make YOUR OWN MIND UP. even post comments on their site.
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Dave Scott,

SCOTLAND 13/10/2008 21:32:31
Just vote for whoever contributes to a sane society and who lets all other citizens have a voice even if it is to disagree with the government. Certainly NOT what BNP would allow. Not only would it be the death of certain liberties but it would deprive us of a lot of material for our satire and humour which would probably be 'verboten' in a short space of time if the totalitarians, of any persuasion, got into power.

JUST TURN UP AND VOTE !!!!
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tumshie heid,

13/10/2008 21:37:33
Boring Nazi Pric#s. They won't be voted in but it's a democracy after all so why not let them waste their deposit?
It's shameful but utterly predictable that they have chosen Granton over the likes of Morningside etc to stand.
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Tynie,

Robbo's Bar 13/10/2008 22:17:07
As a lifelong Jambo and ST holder I can tell you that there are no BNP supporters amongst my lot. Indeed our club captain Michael Stewart is a highly active anti-fascist campaigner

I was there wi fellow Jambos the last time BNP's Tyndall arrived at Tynie. He came out the exit doors and was hit by a brick!!

A similar welcoming committee awaits!!

Churchill beat the Nazi's and we will drive them out of Edinburgh
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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

Aberdeen 13/10/2008 22:27:05
I was in the BNP although not now. I have served my country in Bosnia, and N Ireland. I was in the Army for 11 years, and spent 8 years in the prison service. I won’t disclose where I work now because the far left, of which Foo and a few others seem to be paid up members, drop to levels of hate and intimidation so beloved of the communist party they so obviously love.
The BNP don’t wish to invade any other country, in fact they wish to see every other nation in earth prosper, as everyone deserves a homeland. WE in Britain would be the first to shout and scream if another country was being colonised, because that’s what’s happening up here in Aberdeen. We have had calls for Sharia law from local Muslims. Do oh so educated know what it will mean in the UK when Islam gets the upper hand. Do you know what’s happening in Sweden and Holland, or is your heads buried so deep in your leafy yet to be enriched suburbs that you don’t have a clue?
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gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 22:28:03
well having tried to post reasonable argument and then reading the above i have come to the conclusion that most are in favour of getting the law right and the culture, bnp or snp? nationalists with the same ideaologies (spelling please!) and the same conclusions. lets get real...our country our ways, we dont want terrorists or fundamenatilsts and we certainly dont want the incessant rabble in our ears on mobile fones because when you think about it, a language we cannot understand and constant, what! are they saying? get britain back to great britain, scotland being a nation again within the kingdom that we created and all who come here to marvel and enjoy, only talk english,and accept OUR culture and ways because at the end of the day...it was your choice to come here or your families choice, if you dont like it then...theres plenty cheap flights outa here and i'm sure that the great people of edinburgh/scotland would glady fund you. lets get our streets back and our country (g.b. i mean not nationalist!)
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Julian.,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 22:33:36
#110,

You've said a lot but the one thing you didn't say is what do you propose doing with all these muslims, some of which have been here for 3 generations?
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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/10/2008 22:37:27
I love Britain, I love Scotland and I want a safe future for my children, turning Scotland into a third world country, where different ethnic groups live together in segregated housing estates is not the Scotland I want. Look at what’s happening across the rest of Britain, even Glasgow now has no go areas for none Muslims, this is as Foo stated the homeland our forefathers fought for, what’s so wrong with wanting to keep that. The BNP are not against all immigrants we just want the ludicrous levels that we are seeing stopped, or are we to house the world.
Scotland’s population is supposed to drop and level out, but new housing estates are breaching green belt land everywhere, and the reason for this is white flight from the city centres. Aberdeen town centre is looking more and more like a different country every week.
What did our forefathers fight for, was it so the Scottish people could be colonised and pushed out of our own country.
How many here would like to live in the modern gang, knife, and drug, capitol of Britain London. Or how about Birmingham where over 50% of the population are not British.

When Britain and Scotland is gone, African, and Muslim countries will still exist, but that’s okay eh folks destroy Scotland house the world and see our people become extinct. T