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Published Date: 05 November 2009
HUNDREDS of furious postal workers are gearing up for a demonstration outside what they have branded the "scab outhouse" in West Lothian.
Around 400 people will take part in a rally at noon on Monday at the Royal Mail delivery office on Whitehall Industrial Estate in Bathgate, where a number of guest speakers will vent their anger at the company using casual workers during the ongoing postal strike.

It is understood that Labour veteran Tony Benn could be one of the speakers at the rally.

The postal workers will then march to the former Motorola factory at the Pyramids Business Park in Bathgate which has been dubbed the "scab outhouse", where they will hold a demonstration at around 1pm.

Royal Mail has taken over the old plant for use by casual workers. The company insists the use of the factory was part of an annual arrangement to cope with the Christmas rush. It said the centre would also be used to clear the strike backlog if necessary.

The casual workers are part of a 30,000-strong contingent recruited across the country to keep the mail moving, but postal workers have hit out and said Royal Mail is wrong to employ agency staff during the ongoing strike.

Branch secretary of the Communication Workers Union, Willie Marshall, said: "We are expecting people from all over Scotland and the north of England to descend on Bathgate so it should be massive.

"The rally and the demonstration have been organised against the agency workers working during the official strike."

Mr Marshall also revealed the CWU will appear at the High Court in London tomorrow in an attempt to get an interdict granted against Royal Mail employing agency staff during the official strike.

A senior official of the CWU, who did not want to be named, said: "We believe that it is against the law to employ agency workers during strike action."

Mr Marshall said there will also be a small demonstration at the Manpower offices on Charlotte Street at noon tomorrow.

A postman, who did not want to be named, said: "The Royal Mail are making a mockery of the service and they are running the service down to its bare bones."

A spokeswoman for Royal Mail said: "Royal Mail will continue to provide a service to its customers on Monday as normal."


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  • Last Updated: 05 November 2009 9:49 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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05/11/2009 12:08:00
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alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 05/11/2009 12:09:06
This could go from Royal Mail to a battle royal,i hope it will be well covered by the polis.
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TankEngine,

Uphall 05/11/2009 12:12:17
How are they scabs?
If I were in charge of Royal Mail I would send all the striking staff their P45's. If they don't want to work, tough!! A company has to up-date with the times and who says you have to get pay rises every year?
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Skip McClendon,

05/11/2009 12:13:28
Strike-breaking of the worst kind. Is Adam Crozier Maggie Thatcher's secret lovechild? Employing temporay workers to do the work of staff on an official strike is extremely legally questionable. But hey, as long as Adam still gets his £3M+ pay packet...
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Skip McClendon,

05/11/2009 12:15:18
#3

This strike isn't about pay.
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Paul Voltaire,

05/11/2009 12:17:41
It's all such a waste of time and energy ans so is the strike.
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05/11/2009 12:22:29
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alex patersons English teacher,

05/11/2009 12:26:06
my mother told me never to picket a scab,why start now.
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CATHOLIC AND PROUD,

05/11/2009 12:41:41
A scab's a scab's a scab and always will be! They're a total disgrace and should be ashamed of their self. Anyone who crosses a picket to go to work during strike action is a scab,anyone who is knowingly employed to cover the work of workers who are taking part in industrial action is a scab! Support the posties (and the bucket men)as the chances are it will be your occupation or industry next!! It's all very well to sit and criticise striking workers when you're in a safe, secure job that you're happy with the terms/conditions of your employment, but your pi£$%d off cos your fat pay slip hasn't been delivered on time!! I refused to accept mail from the scab who tried to post it when the delivery staff were out, and will again in future!!
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Jude13,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 12:45:41
I'd be more sympathetic if they were offering a good service. Unfortunately, the service we get round here is appalling, so, as far as I'm concerned, anything they can do to improve it, even if that involves bringing in 'scabs', suits me fine. I'm usually strongly pro-union, but these guys need sorting out. I'd like to write to them to complain, but the letter will never get there, of course.
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05/11/2009 12:48:46
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totally indecent,

05/11/2009 12:49:17
Good for you - and hopefully your utilities will be cut off when you don't pay your bills.
As your moniker suggests you are living in the past.

My occupation is not overpaid with a gold plated pension scheme so I don't expect to get caught out and have to strike.
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Eugene Fraxby,

Kilbirnie 05/11/2009 12:49:44
Yes, all people, wherever they work, should be paid as little as possible. If they don't like it - tough! They can find a job somewhere else.
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Mr Tesco,

The Real World 05/11/2009 12:49:55
@7 Andy 52

Wake up & smell the coffee Andy. Today`s world is very quickly changing, Technology is replacing many many parts of what used to be done by humans. Unfortunately Royal Mail is in the situation where it HAS TO change drastically to survive. Electronic communication is revolutionising the communication service. If the'posties' want to strike, then fair do's to them. Let them. However if Royal Mail dont get their revenue/income coming etc, pretty soon these posties will not have any jobs to go back to. I`m all in favour of these temporary workers doing the service that the postie's should be doing in the first place. They need jobs too were in a recession.

Too many workers these days are all too kean to strike the first minute something doesnt go their way.

And as for saying "learn to spell, put a W instead of T " etc. Grow up FFS and act like an adult.
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Jaffabar,

05/11/2009 12:52:59
What can I say? Im all for that all the postal workers on strike should lose their jobs. I do blame the Unions really because most of the postal workers that are striking are just meat heads who treat the strike as a day off and maybe get some extra pay out of it.It makes me laugh how they are striking over pay when they should be lucky to have a job. Asking for more money in the current climate, are you stupid? Good job on raising the middle finger who has lost their job due to the economical climate. There are many protocols to solve disputes yet striking is allowed? My job isn't protected as are most peoples, yet these fools jobs are and they abuse it.If you don't like it then ship out, its simple - take your skills (sorting letters and carrying sacks) elsewhere. But it seems like these postal workers are too small minded to do it. Or maybe is it that they CANT get another job?Im sure these postal workers are glad that they are causing a inconvenience to alot of people, potentially ruining Christmas for families, jeapordising many small businesses and providing a slap in the face to everyone who is currently unemployed. Then again you cant expect much different from a irrational mob.By the way my lack of respect is not directed at the postal workers on strike but anyone on strike, whether it be teachers or firemen either. Although the thing that gets me that teachers have to have training and qualifications and so do firemen so they are valuable. However anyone off the street could replace a postmans job tomorrow. These guys need to realise that they are not as valuable as they think they are. The sooner they are sacked the better.

Also you say that the strike isn't about pay. I don't care if it isn't but don't say it's not about pay when they have posters with reference to their pay. A little consistency please?

And now if the postmen on strike don't look selfish and inconsiderate enough, they wan't to protest against 'scab' workers?! These so called 'scab
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Jaffabar,

05/11/2009 12:53:35
And now if the postmen on strike don't look selfish and inconsiderate enough, they wan't to protest against 'scab' workers?! These so called 'scabs' are real people who would kill to have a job and appreciate having one. They are also prepared to do a days work for once in their life unlike the said postmen. What would be a good idea is to sack the ones on strike and give these 'scabs' the full time permanent jobs.
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Jaffabar,

05/11/2009 12:55:50
Its a wasted cause trying to argue against people with the mentality of #9
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Chubby,

05/11/2009 12:56:54
number 9... What a f u d you are
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Garry RR,

05/11/2009 12:57:24
9. That's the right attitude (not)!! Sounds just like the miners, and where are they all now?
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Heedbanger,

05/11/2009 13:01:15
400 to protest?? If these numpties gave as much dedication to their jobs as they do to protesting we wouldn't be in this mess.

Posties - Back to work. NOW!!
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05/11/2009 13:05:45
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 13:08:18
Don't worry: they'll probably get the wrong address.
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no1draft,

aberdeen 05/11/2009 13:08:23
#9 , if you had posted that thirty years ago it might have looked ok but not today, bet youve got your old billy bragg records on as well. ps - remember arthur scargill, googled him lately to see how much he is a part of the 'people' now. pps - 2 of my mates are posties and unfortunately believe everything the union is saying to them , they are decent guys being brainwashed by unions.
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eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 13:14:59

Well Ive just opened an acct with UPS now, Ive had enough.

Ta Ta Royal Mail
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Rambo The Jambo,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:15:26

Scab is a disgusting word to use.

The real 'scab' is Billy Hayes who pontificates about the Royal Mail managers, orders posties to go on strike, yet on a strike day is photographed receiving his mail from someone wearing a postie outfit (who is supposed to be on strike, unless he is a 'scab')

Who's the 'scab'????????? Hypocrite more like.

Answers on the back of a shut notice please CWS.
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TankEngine,

Uphall 05/11/2009 13:15:26
#7. It's individuals like you that have no understanding of reality!
Royal Mail is losing millions in contracts for parcel deliveries. E-Mail has taken over posted letters. Computer sorting machines should be the norm in the mail industry, but no, we need god knows how many people to sort the mail when 1 machine WILL do it the job quicker, more efficient and save money in the long term!
Royal Mail is dead on its feet as it stands today. That’s the reality. To stay competitive it has to adapt. That means modernisation. It’s about time public sector services caught up with the private sector with regards to pay deals, pensions and the amount of work you have to do on a daily basis!

And stop the derogatory name calling. It’s not big or funny, it’s very sad coming from a man that’s maybe 52 years old!
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Ecto,

05/11/2009 13:17:34
Do the postmen know that the Genral Secretary of the CWU earns almost £90,000 a year all from their own pay packets. bet he is not losing a days pay when he is calling them out on strike??
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Foo,

05/11/2009 13:18:01
Get back to work yew orrible little oiks.
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TankEngine,

Uphall 05/11/2009 13:18:38
Excellent call #27. He's a man of the people and will do anything for them. Pay cut. My a**e!
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Farky,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:30:38
Don't forget that Royal Mail staff are on strike not only to save their jobs in the longer term, but also to protect a service which the governemnt seem to be hell bent on destroying. Just look at what the Labour government have done to the post office network.

The postal service is losing business to companies who wish to (and are being allowed to) cherry pick the best bits of the service. It is government incompetence and mismanagement has had led to this chaotic situation!
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DublinHibs DublinHibs,

05/11/2009 13:31:48
The C.W.U. should be granted it's interdict in London, as it is ILLEAGAL to bring in a scab workforce during a strike....not as a top ranking official indicates "May be" IT IS ILLEAGAL! Now lets see how the court rules. This dispute as far as i can see is a last ditch attempt by an ordinarly, loyal, working class workforce to stop another public utility being privatised. If the court rules in favour of Adam Croziers bonus over jobs i think all on here know where they stand.......I have alot of sympathies for the posties and would back them 100%.

Too many people on heregive thier opinions without being in possession of the facts.

Think first then voice your opinions.
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The Perfect Storm,

05/11/2009 13:37:45
This is the best read I've had in a long time. Fell of my seat laughing. Get back to work or accept your P45 it's simple. I for one am under no illusions as to the state of the economy and my job is as much under threat as anybody else's - so I work for a living - shock horror!!!!
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Rambo The Jambo,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:40:10

# DublinHibs DublinHibs

So if you owe money and can't pay because the strike is holding up your invoice or credit card bill, for example, will you whine when you get late payment charges added, or get a summary warrant for non payment?

No, didn't think so.

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Geb,

05/11/2009 13:41:46
The communication union know what they're doing - I'm a switchboard operator for the GPO, and our strike has brought the country's communications to a standstill for years! they'll cave in soon and accept our plans never to modernise, i'm sure of it...
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totally indecent,

05/11/2009 13:45:06
Is ILLEAGAL a sick bird?
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Jaffabar,

05/11/2009 13:50:26
How awesome would it be if the Royal Mail said to the strikers.

"You have been sacked, your P45 is in the post."

Oh the pun and irony!
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Mr Tesco,

the real world 05/11/2009 13:51:19
@Dublinhibs Dublinhibs

Care to enlight us lesser informed people on here about some of these facts that you seem to be in possession of.

ps. c'mon the cabbage ! ;-)
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abner doubleday,

The Binns 05/11/2009 13:54:32

Workers in every industry MUST accept a 50% pay reduction to get us through this recession.

The only way we will survive is if companies make huge profits and bosses, MPs and other fat cats earn loadsamoney.

Privatisation always makes sense - HBOS, Lloyds and National Express are proof of that.

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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 05/11/2009 14:02:33
#38, waste of time. The mince for brains, right wing eejits on this site will probably end up agreeing with you! I just hope they all lose their jobs and end up on the dole.

Support the posties or you could be next! Those of you that are employable, that is. The rest of you can trot off back to your BNP and unionist maisters!
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abner doubleday,

The Binns 05/11/2009 14:12:29

#39

Right wing does not even begin to describe the fascist, self interest of poster on here.

Then again, I could sack a couple of my Scottish joiners (£15/hour) and take on a couple of Poles for half that price and increase my own profits.

As a boss it is, after, all about feathering my own nest ----{-@

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abner doubleday,

The Binns 05/11/2009 14:14:22

That should be 'posters'!

And apostrophe after 'all' not before!
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blackley,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 14:25:45
Royal Mail has always taken on extra staff at Xmastime and the permanent staff has always welcomed them as a helping hand in a busy period.
In the present situation, however, the extra staff are being branded scabs, even the ones who would be taken on as routine Xmas relief.
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totally indecent,

05/11/2009 14:26:05
Keith!
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 05/11/2009 14:37:46
so much for the strike,i recieved a small package from ascot on tuesday morning that had been posted on monday morning,the days of unions dictating to the country are past,and i hope there is enough police available to allow honest hard working citizens to go about there lawful employment without being threatened by striking union thugs,the posties have no sympathy from joe public
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Skip McClendon,

05/11/2009 15:00:43
#45

What on earth are you on about? This is a perfectly legal industrial action, and I hope you have some evidence to back up your borderline defamatory claims that striking posties are "threatening" and "thugs". I am a member of the public, and I support the posties in their struggle to protect the public postal service.
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

05/11/2009 15:11:36
#Skip and Mikey I fully support the posties too. I have always worked for my living (and I am glad of it) but every time you see a dispute like this in the interests of modernisation (which brought us mail in the afternoon instead of before you went to work)I think they are being sacrificed for profit in particular Andy Crozier on his million a year.
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valleyjim,

05/11/2009 15:34:51
#41 comma,.
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Ronald Gemstone,

05/11/2009 15:47:43
I have been employed full time since leaving school in 1972 (except for 6 weeks). I have had only a small amount of time off sick and have never done anything to warrant a disciplinary investigation.

My employer of 12 years now wants to cut my wage by £3,000 pa (12%). What should I do? I am in the union as are my workmates.

I disagree with the cuts but do not want to strike even though my employer has brought in other staff to cover the busy Christmas period.

I am not a postie nor a bin man, just a hard working Edinburgh resident and taxpayer.
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abner doubleday,

The Binns 05/11/2009 15:49:59
# 48

Oops - comma

#47

I remember morning posts before you went to work and morning and noon deliveries for businesses.

Excellent service.

But if we can kill that service in the name of modernisation, and Crozier's massive salary for doing fek all, then it must be good medicine.

Sack all workers.

Put everyone on minimum wage.

Hey presto - everyone gets a job and the rich get richer.

Count me in.
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abner doubleday,

The Binns 05/11/2009 15:52:58

Oops - forgot. There are employment rights which, as an employer, I am legally obliged to adhere to.

Bring back the Tories - £1 per hour for security on building sites - fantastic and more money for my trough.
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jockee,

My hoose 05/11/2009 16:34:12
Earlier this year the unelected business secretary the Dark Lord Peter Mandelson made his second attempt to privatise Royal Mail, he made his position clear at meetings with the Union that if the unions campaign to stop privatisation was successful that the government would relinquish its responsibilities to underwrite the current pensions deficit current estimate anywhere between £9-12 Billion pounds this was created by Royal Mail making no employer contributions for 13 years but more menacingly that he would give Royal Mail the go ahead to make change within the industry which would consist of cutting 16000 more jobs and worsening the terms and conditions of ordinary hard working decent postmen and women.

Mandelson has been true to his word, after a backbench revolt by members of all parties & the Unions successful campaign to stop privatisation Royal Mail have forced through change without agreement, & by executive action which has imposed impossible and unachievable workloads on post people working in delivery of your mail.

When these imposed standards are unable to be achieved Royal Mail managers are using bullying tactics threatening and in most cases removing people from pay. The Union have consistently offered to stand down industrial action if Royal Mail will meet and start negotiating constructively with mediation in place, all of these offers have been rejected, Royal Mails objective is clear fully supported by government they want to drive Union Representation out of the Business which is a legal right of all working people.

The Union and its members do not want to be taking industrial action we all have families to support and some are in real financial hardship.

Royal Mails latest tactic is to employ 30000 agency staff in an effort to break the strike none of these people will be trained or security checked and ultimately will add to the chaos.

The Union and its members recognise and accept the need to change and modernise we have negot
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DublinHibs DublinHibs,

05/11/2009 16:35:55
As usual lets not let the facts get in the road of dramatising a situation. As this is leagal action and a return to work is always going to happen, how indeed do you expect a summary warrant to be issued? Warrants are a last gasp action to recover funds after 6 payments have been missed, default notice issued and ignored. If you are that far behind with your bills a 3 day legal, and democraticaly authorised strike is hardly going to bankrupt you is it???

Still lets just jump on the bandwagon of moral indignation and outrage that people are trying to protect thier jobs and a service that YOU currently own.

Your default notice kwill be delivered next week!
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jockee,

Still in my hoose 05/11/2009 16:35:58
The Union and its members recognise and accept the need to change and modernise we have negotiated an agreed over the last 3 years a reduction of 60000 jobs and successfully introduced new technology into the business.

Our aim is to reach agreement with Royal Mail that secures the future of Postmen and women. This is not a failing industry Royal Mail declared profits of £321 Million this financial year on the back of that profit the Royal Mail board of 13 have carved up between them £10.6 Million in performance related bonuses, Postmen and women where rewarded with a pay freeze.

Royal Mail has lost the confidence and trust of its workforce the only way it can be regained is to stop threatening and bullying their staff and come to the table and negotiate with the Union.

If we sit back and do nothing Royal Mail will run the industry into the ground then carve it up into pieces to sell if off to outside investors.

Your Postmen and women are part of the fabric of our society and we are determined to reach agreement which delivers the first class postal service that you the public deserve.


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DublinHibs DublinHibs,

05/11/2009 16:36:26
53....

was for 33

rampant rambo
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 16:39:26
The posties have my full support and if it came down to being on the dole or being a scab, I would be on the dole.
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Mr Tesco,

05/11/2009 16:45:28
Nice to see some folk on here 'posting' good info..
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DublinHibs DublinHibs,

05/11/2009 16:52:03
strike over by tonight anyway......all back to normal, people can get back to moaning abot the trams, or lights being out in thier streets....ahh bliss
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Dood,

05/11/2009 16:59:04
#56

Personally, I would rather work for a living and not have to rely on the state to support me.

But then it's all about ethics I suppose.
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Al Pacino,

05/11/2009 17:23:27
Lots of disrespect shown here to people who strike, and quite right to. I suspect these people have forgotten that they are permitted to strike and are not ultimately as powerful, no matter how militant, as they think they are.
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Goskun,

05/11/2009 17:30:44
Let's stick to the story and understand, please, that the people that are being employed in Bathgate are NOT posties. They do internal work - pre-sorting mail to the various delivery offices. They read the postcodes and put them in boxes with the relevant code. Easy. Except if you put the wrong code on. it will be sorted according to what is on the letter. Main guilty parties, are some of the big financial businesses in Edinburgh and London (who use "EH" instead of "E".
Check the return address of "Standard Life" mail !!
Extra staff taken on at Christmas are for inernal sorting and not out on the street - not since the 70s - 80s, anyway. Some offices in Edinburgh have already had the "changes" implemented, with no discussion or review. So some of us are actually on strike for something that we are already doing...! How daft is that. Also, overtime is not being paid, even if we are made to work it.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 17:39:01
#59 Yes it is all about ethics. Scabs have none.
Anyway the latest news is that it's all off until after Christmas.
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valleyjim,

05/11/2009 18:06:08
Apparently, It's been called off.
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Dood,

05/11/2009 18:12:00
#62

Little point in reasoning with you then.

Do you know any of these 'scabs'? Is it not possible that some are desperately trying to source money to feed families? Or is this not acceptable?

Fact is that those who go on strike nowadays leave their jobs open to this. They're aware of this when they go on strike.

Alternatively, you could just remain stuck with your 1970/80's ethic and worship the Scargills of this world.
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Goskun,

05/11/2009 19:21:01
#58 Totally agree with you.
For other folks info...
Funnily enough there are vacancies at RM, AND, they are not just for foreign applicants. But, why would any self respecting Scotsman want to get up early, and work for a living when they can have it all on a plate for them? Posties do work, and pay taxes. They are not paid by other peoples taxes. Read the storywhingers, and note the profit... Now where does that go?
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go boil ur heid,

05/11/2009 20:19:52
no 63 i'll bet you are one of those people that screamed with disgust when minimum wage was announced; and cheered when the low tax was raised to 20%.
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Candyfloss,

Livingston 05/11/2009 21:04:41
Never trusted Unions they are only out to line their own pockets Why can't people think about it they won't gain anything probably be out of work in no time. Absolute waste of time striking management nearly always gets their way.

 

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