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Published Date: 27 October 2008
RAT-RUNNING motorists using an illegal shortcut have driven residents in one street into taking a homemade approach to try and stop them.
Drivers are using Prestonfield Avenue, near Cameron Toll, to the annoyance of nearby residents.

The so-called "bus gate" at the east end of the residential street is designed to keep out everyone except buses and ambulances on emergency calls.

But car drivers frequently ignore the prominent signs and sneak through towards Peffermill Road.

Now, with Dalkeith Road closed to southbound traffic for the installation of a new gas main, residents say the number of drivers taking the shortcut has shot up.

When the News visited the site, an average of a car a minute was ignoring the no entry warning.

A mystery resident has now put up their own sign in a bid to keep the cars away. It is tied by rope to the official signpost and reads "£60 fine 3 points on licence".

Neighbours are mystified as to who has put the sign up, but most approve of its sentiment.

Retired cleaner Margaret Gibson, 71, lives in a flat which overlooks the bus gate.

She said: "You get a lot of cars coming up and down and they shouldn't really be there. It's been worse since the roadworks. They park along here where they shouldn't as well, and I don't think it's fair on people that stay here."

Kate Arnott, chairwoman of the Grange and Prestonfield Community Council, said the road was frequently being used.

She said: "It's got sensitive since they closed off Dalkeith Road. The closure is also resulting in an increase in traffic going down Newington Road, Mayfield Road and Craigmillar Park.

"The matter will only really resolve itself when the road is open to us again but, unfortunately, people who learn about the shortcut are tempted to take it again."

Councillor for Southside and Newington Steve Burgess said: "It has been a source of concern, particularly at the parent council in Prestonfield Primary School because the children have to cross the end of the road, and if you get cars turning that corner into the bus gate it's a safety concern. Police have monitored the bus gate when they can, but they can't sit there all the time.

"I think some kind of monitoring would be the solution – a camera or something. But we do need to look at a longer-term solution."

A police spokesman said that officers were aware of the rat-run and monitored it. He added that drivers caught were likely to receive a fixed penalty ticket.

Chairman of the Prestonfield Tenants' and Residents' Association Adrian Christie said: "My view is that they should do away with the bus gate. It's just a nuisance. It would be much better if traffic could just flow through it."


The full article contains 480 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 October 2008 9:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:10:49
Mystery?

No mystery at all. Only a fool would sign such a notice and invite certain retribution from miffed motorists.

Might be a good idea to improve the type face a tad. By the time any driver's read that he'd of crashed into the nearest parked car. Then again, perhaps that was the intention.
2

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 27/10/2008 12:15:20
My my, what a professional looking job.
3

alex patersons English teacher,

27/10/2008 12:20:28
1
retribution, as in "im gonna of you".
4

Mozam,

27/10/2008 12:22:43
Headline News...Cars drive down road!!!!

If this is all these people have to complain about then they are doing a lot better than most of us.

Come on folks, get a grip
5

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:26:26
I don't know why the people of edinburgh are so unable to see the easy way to resolve a problem such as this.

From the starting point that its illegal:

Post a plod at the end of the street

Levy a £40 first time fine on any and all who transgress; forget about the 3points nonsense for now. Payment on the spot in cash only. No cheques, cards or bogus letters of credit on Nigerian banks

If there's one a minute that's £2400/hour, and after a few hours the word will get out

Any second offenders get a double fine and mandatory reading lessons. No excuses about satnavs...

Repeat as necessary

Practically every police force in mainland Europe do this. Argue and you are forced to wait around for hours, or temporarily get your driver's license confiscated against payment. Are the Edinburgh police too polite to enforce the law, as something unseemly and perhaps beneath them? Or are they simply just too lazy?
6

Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/10/2008 12:31:08
The point is that the diversion is very clearly signposted but people are going left instead of right and cutting through residential streets.

I happen to live overlooking the Dalkeith Road / Priestfield Road junction, and the inability for drivers to follow simple instructions is a matter of constant amazement to me. Many times they are driving straight at oncoming traffic because they are so absorbed in their music or phone conversations they haven't noticed the huge no entry signs. I would say those actually following the diversion signs correctly are in a minority. Many are ignoring established one-way restrictions on other residential roads too, because they believe they have the right to go wherever they want.
7

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:31:38
I just drove by at the inner urban standard of 82mph, and thought the sign reads

3 pints off licence


8

Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/10/2008 12:32:28
#6 The police cannot levy on-the-spot fines. It's nothing to do with being lazy. At least do a bit of research before posting insults.
9

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:33:52
[7] "I happen to live..."

And there was me thinking all along you were a Ravelston Dykes man...
10

Decent,

27/10/2008 12:34:24
6 - Too lazy

4 - I agree - kidnapping would have been good - might have got some gangsters on.
11

Embra boy,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 12:35:01
Radical suggestion - get rid of the "bus gate".
12

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27/10/2008 12:38:08
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13

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 12:38:40
Well, of course, if they didn't have stupid regulations and if they hadn't artificially created congestion with the brain-dead traffic lights on the Cameron Toll roundabout, this wouldn't happen. Would it?
14

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:39:43
[9] Further research is not necessary. The point was made that European police forces can do this and have a good record of compliance on minor traffic regulations. There is a relatively poor compliance record in the UK. It was a simple matter of comparison.

15

Decent,

27/10/2008 12:43:44
What if you haven't got 40 quid?
16

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:44:38
[14] Ah, the nub of the matter.

In the '60s and '70s there was a lot of effort and investment put into simplifying traffic flows. Now the trend seems to be in the oppostite direction. Everywhere where there was once a roundabout now there is a roundabout plus traffic lights, with 2 lanes being invariably narrowed into one.

What is the thinking behind this? Just exactly who benefits from the apparent artifical restrictions on traffic flow?
17

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:47:15
[16] You can walk the the ATM, and back again...

Anyhow, it should be illegal not to have £40 in an affluent society such as Edinburgh.
18

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:47:18
[16] You can walk the the ATM, and back again...

Anyhow, it should be illegal not to have £40 in an affluent society such as Edinburgh.
19

Agent 99,

27/10/2008 12:48:59
This forum software is truly the pits. Automatic double post generator.

Is this evidence that JPress are cutting corners?
20

Decent,

27/10/2008 12:52:18
19 - What if you don't have 40 quid in the ATM?
21

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27/10/2008 12:56:04
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22

Decent,

27/10/2008 12:59:29
What if you don't have a car - or a microwave?
23

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:00:15

Coke and Vimto and Tizer and Lilt
24

Decent,

27/10/2008 13:00:47
27 - Why did you hit the roadworks? Were they bad roadworks? Or was it an accident?
25

Decent,

27/10/2008 13:02:26
25 - I don't go la-di-da when I'm driving - I'm too busy on my phone driving through rat runs.
26

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:02:42
Break one four a copy come on. Pick a window. this is CB radio frequency.
27

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:04:54

$40 no. Change maybe. Cash money is the old days.

$40 buys you notta lot. 6 lobsters from Lidls.
28

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:08:36
Turtle soup, fortune cookies, thrift stores, rain. it's a crazy world, I tell you, but if you ever spent a day in your life.
29

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill 27/10/2008 13:12:09
They said, "You gots yaself a job in advertising, kid"

The kid was pleased, he'd studied hard for his marketing degree.

Next day I seen the kid, his job was proppin up the Golf Sale sign on Princes Street.
30

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:18:01
I seen a cricket ball on West Third street, thought nuthin of it, til I seen another cricket ball on Vermont Ave.

Then I'm drivin along Wilshire and I see a cricket cryin its eyes out.

31

Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/10/2008 13:22:55
#15 You appear to be labouring under the laughable misapprehension that the police make the law. I repeat, there is one reason why the police don't issue collected-on-the-spot fines for traffic offences and that is that the law does not permit it. You suggest it is because they are either too polite or too lazy. You are talking rubbish.
32

Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/10/2008 13:23:53
#14 It's nothing to do with the traffic lights on Cameron Toll you one-trick pony! It's the roadworks!
33

Bob 2,

27/10/2008 13:24:06
Its been going on for years

strange one from
Chairman of the Prestonfield Tenants' and Residents' Association Adrian Christie said: "My view is that they should do away with the bus gate. It's just a nuisance. It would be much better if traffic could just flow through it."

and then he'd be complaining about the hundreds of motorists , flying throught the area, to miss Cameron Toll!!!
34

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:27:14
I prayed that Woolworths on Santa Monica and Vine would stock Colt 45 but they didn't. The bottle shop did though. But its in Crenshaw.
35

Franky McNostril,

Belford Road 27/10/2008 13:29:25
That sign is a work of art though. It looks like it was rendered in Copydex on an old blackboard, the artist holding the brush with their dentures, which kept slipping.
36

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:42:33
The kid got tired of proppin up the Golf Sale sign. He tried to get another job in advertisin. But there was no vacancies for a minimum wage kid like him.
So he took up electronic music and invented phat dubstep, aka chubstep.
He didn't make any money. He now works at Chirping Chicken, Grand Central Station. Three clucking years at college, for this.
37

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 13:49:52
Workin on the concourse
Aint no kinda life
Just a kid from Philadelphia
Cuttin chicken with a knife

Couldn't think of a second verse
The weathers always gettin worse
The bullfrog in the backyard
In the pouring rain

38

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 13:52:26
#17:

"Just exactly who benefits from the apparent artifical restrictions on traffic flow?"

I'll tell you who benefits... The minority of nuggets who are incapable of determining when it is safe to pull out and who has right of way, not to mention being able to read the road ahead and actually be in the correct lane, travelling at the correct speed and in the correct gear.

Then you have the group who drive with a block of wood fixed to the floor underneath their throttle pedal so that it makes it impossible for them to get a damn move on and pull out briskly... ergo, both groups are unable to do anything but sit there whilst they are over-taken, beaten to it and cut off by drivers who take the trouble to be a little bit more "on the case" than them.

Basically, the nuggets above shouldn't be on the road in the first place, and if it wasn't for the insane dumbing down, they wouldn't be.
39

THE BPRENTICE,

27/10/2008 13:55:11
50 The Geniune Mario Antionette - that wasn't very nice now was it - its a forum for opinions after all?!
40

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill NYC 27/10/2008 14:00:09
Sandwich board? Looks more like Gerald Scarfe's rendition of Guernica.
41

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 14:08:27
What are rat-runs? Don't the public roads belong to everyone?
42

Franky McNostril,

Bensomhurst NYC 27/10/2008 14:17:33
The Rat Run:

Birth, school

Rbs/Widows/ Clydesdale/ etc

Death.
43

Brian Ferrari,

27/10/2008 14:22:19
#60

Surely must be space for a few beers somewhere along the way?
44

Brian Ferrari,

27/10/2008 14:23:17
Oh I get it - that comes under "school"
45

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst, NYC 27/10/2008 14:26:27

#60 - beers is fine, so long as it's not a middle management pi55 up at All Bar One with lots of second hand talk about the FTSE and pretend football fannery.

46

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst 27/10/2008 14:29:18

"Ah, I see the FTSE's down again. But bear markets are a good time to buy. I read it in an interview with Warren Buffet and I'm repeating it word for word to sound smart"

"Did you see the FOOTIE at the weekend, 4-4-2 no i don't think I've heard of that, is it a kind of techno"
47

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst NYC 27/10/2008 14:35:04
How are Fulham doing this season?
48

Decent,

27/10/2008 14:39:04
Bunch of animals! We've had rats, mice, swans and dogs.
49

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 14:44:25
#47 - not really strange, just that the Prestonfield Tenants and Residents don't think the restriction should apply to them, and that's why they're probably the majority of drivers ignoring the signs. Them, and drivers of cooncil-owned vehicles.
50

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst NYC 27/10/2008 14:52:30
"I works at the head office on Lothian Road, writing reports and doing MS Powerpoint presentations that nobody can remember a word of, even a minute afterwards.

But I'm not a complete square. I like to watch edgy dvd's like The Sopranos and The Wire."
51

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst NYC 27/10/2008 14:57:30
"Morag do we HAVE to go to Ikea tomorrow. The Gers are playing The Tic in an old firm game, which I'm going to watch in the pub with a pint of lager, and shout at the telly if someone scores a goal"
52

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27/10/2008 15:05:25
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53

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst NYC 27/10/2008 15:12:45

The kid left the Job at Chirping Chicken. Near enough stuck a fork in his eye with the futility of catering.

He went back to Edinburgh Scotland and got his old job back, in advertising, propping up the old Golf Sale sign. Every half hour some wisecracker would ask if it was a Golf GTI. But he ignored it and kept reading his book: Inspector Rebus and The Golf Sale.

Ian Rankin said "I had to research this novel by going to the Golf Sale. I believe I am the only person who has ever been to the Golf Sale."

But the kid thanked his lucky stars it wasn't the 1990s, because back then a job in advertising meant handing out "Nicklebys's Sale" leaflets on the street.

The sandwich board was a progression, but the pay and the temperature weren't as good as Millie's Cookies. But he was done with catering.

54

Decent,

27/10/2008 15:22:43
75 comments and they are all nonsense! Don't any of you people have a serious comment to make instead of silly funnies?
55

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst NYC 27/10/2008 15:29:24
#76

Pornographic priestess, stupid bloody tuesday, man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allen Poe.

See how they fly like pigs from a gun see how they run.

Fear is the mindkiller.
56

Decent,

27/10/2008 15:46:10
And the band played waltzing Mathilda
As they strew her bloodied entrails across the pebbled beach.

Don't you have bridges to hide under?
57

hubris,

27/10/2008 15:50:53
that 20yard section should be open whilst the roadworks are on so sensible people are behaving as if it is and its only the rather demented person who tried to make a sign athat actually gives a s***
58

CantGetRight,

27/10/2008 16:13:08
dylexic man walks into a bra.....
59

crabbit_bassa,

27/10/2008 16:16:48
The sign has been up for a number of weeks, EEN on the ball again!
60

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 27/10/2008 16:23:03
>71 : Mario ~ "I also have a guitar"

Do you have strings fitted?
E : A : D : G : B : E.
Poundstretcher might or might not have some.
61

edinburgh_rip_off,

typical 27/10/2008 17:00:04
Edinburgh is so anti-car what do you expect when the motorist is ripped off as it is and then cant get to a destination because of the roads cluttered with items to cause congestion and then introduce a charge !!! as for the person who done the professional sign.... get a life you sad oap !!!
Next time you or a relative requires hospital staff remember we have to get to work too and not slowed up by silly little bus roots that cause congestion maybe you will just have to care for yourself !!
62

Franky McNostril,

Crow Hill, Brooklyn, NY 27/10/2008 17:07:43
I think the perp may be the same individual as who wrote "ZIPPY F*CKMONSTER" on the wall at Fleshmarket close circa 1985.
63

Scottp,

edinburgh 27/10/2008 17:11:06
the police don't even stop people

they sit there and let cars go through it and when they do go after them its only when cars come into prestonfield not the other way round
64

FC Barcelona,

27/10/2008 17:53:03
there should be a campaign to have the EEN disable all comments, the drivel spouted in here by the same few inbreds day after day is truly awful, get a life !!!
65

Finbarr Saunders,

27/10/2008 18:01:00
Before I spotted the street name, I thought this sign had been put up by some of the interfering, busy body residents of Lady Road, opposite the main entrance to the shopping centre.

They are very precious about other drivers using "their" road to park and aren't shy to say so.

I would encourage anyone going out to Cameron Toll to park in "their" street and watch them get into a right old state!

Makes a shopping trip almost worthwhile.
66

calum,

27/10/2008 18:15:10
#85 - Oh yeah? "their road"? Oh really?
67

Bibamus,

27/10/2008 18:47:31
Question from someone who left the area last year - What is a Bus Gate ?
68

Scottish, no Gaelic,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 21:56:50
More drivel caused by Edinburgh council.
A complete buch of incompetents from top to bottom.
69

Scottish, no Gaelic,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 22:33:34
#90, methinks you need look no further for these 'obnoxious morons' than the nearest mirror.
This thread was started specifically about a 'bus gate', in an area where there is no need for such a traffic stopping device.
Your rant is just that - a rant.
70

Julian.,

edinburgh 27/10/2008 22:55:24
Duncan in Edinburgh,

The police may not be able to issue fines payable there and then but they can issue on-the-spot tickets which is pretty much the same thing...as those receiving them will be forced to pay unless issued in error.

Therefore the point he was making about a plod standing at the end of the street still stands.
71

Julian.,

edinburgh 27/10/2008 23:23:51
#94, Snob

Wouldn't it be an idea, with Dalkeith Road being closed for months, for the Council to open up this road again? After all, it was fine to drive down here up until a few years ago. And if they're worried about the residents they could put down a few speed reducing measures.
72

Julian.,

edinburgh 27/10/2008 23:38:15
#96,

Thought that was obvious. Because all the thousands of cars which used to use Dalkeith Road to and from the centre of town are now all crammed down Minto Street which is quite a detour and is now clogged up with all those extra cars.

Mine is only a temporary suggestion to ease the traffic problems. And no, I can't use a bus as I have heavy equipment to carry as part of my work.
73

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 28/10/2008 00:09:45
Maybe the residents should throw a spike strip accross the enterance to this busway. a few burst tires would make these car rat runners think twice at using this again
74

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/10/2008 03:39:59
Tony,

What about the drivers wanting to go Southbound down Dalkeith Road and on to Peffermill Road. Wouldn't it be an idea to allow them through this route rather than having to divert across to Minto Street and then back across to Peffermill Road...a major detour which is causing congestion.
75

Duncan in Edinburgh,

28/10/2008 10:03:38
#103 No Tony, you're mistaken. The southbound diversion starts at the Priestfield Road/East Mayfield junction, and sends people right down East Mayfield. Priestfield Road is still accessible from Dalkeith Road southbound.
76

hubris,

28/10/2008 14:29:44
Gorgie Tony

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
77

Scottp,

prestonfield 28/10/2008 18:59:16
its prestONfield avenue not prestfield avenue 'Gorgie tony'

and yes preistfield road is accesable as you would go down preistfield road at the junction on dalkeith road.

 

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