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My girl's disabled but I'm still not allowed on a bus



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Published Date: 14 August 2008
LOTHIAN Buses has said its controversial ban on prams is to ensure space is kept free for people with disabilities. So Caroline Docherty was shocked when she was told she was no longer welcome on board with her disabled baby daughter. The mother-of-two said she had been refused access to seven buses when travelling with five-month-old Sophie, who has had brain damage since birth.
Sophie is carried in a pram equipped with equipment to feed her and monitor her breathing.

Disability groups and councillors have reacted with disbelief at the news and are calling on Lothian Buses to back down and allow drivers to use common sense.

Miss Docherty, from Royston Mains Avenue, said she now finds it very difficult to get around, and to take Sophie to hospital appointments. She has written to Lothian Buses asking it to make an exception for her pram.

She said: "Sophie can't go in a fold-away buggy or pram as she cannot hold her head up. She gets fed through the tube and has a monitor on her 24/7 for her breathing. She has fluid on the brain and has serious brain damage. We don't know if she's going to be able to walk when she's older.

"I've tried to get on seven different buses in the last couple of weeks and they all refused me. I explained that my daughter has a disability, but they still wouldn't let me on. I have no other way of getting to hospital with her. There must be lots of other mothers in a similar situation."

She would like to see a special card or bus pass introduced to ensure parents with disabled children could still use the buses.

David Griffiths, chief executive of ECAS, the city's top support group for people with disabilities, said he was shocked by Miss Docherty's treatment. ECAS has already said there is no legal necessity for the pram ban, and called on Lothian Buses to show more "common sense".

He said: "In some cases, a buggy or a pram is in effect a wheelchair for a disabled child. Some mothers do not want to broadcast the fact their child is disabled, but they should not have to fold the buggy to make space for a wheelchair. It should be enough to just have a quiet word with the driver.

"I am frustrated that this is being presented as 'wheelchair users against mothers'. I believe if it was left to themselves and the driver, they would be able to solve this quite happily."

Councillor Steve Cardownie, who represents the Forth ward, said he would be keen to take up Miss Docherty's case with the bus company.

He said: "It seems perfectly clear that this pram is a necessity, not a matter of choice. Refusing to let her on is against the Disability Discrimination Act.

"I'm hopeful we'll be able to get this resolved. It may be that Lothian Buses should be issuing a special bus pass for her."

A spokesman for Lothian Buses was unable to explain the policy regarding access for disabled children in prams or buggies. According to the company website, and guidance issued to drivers, prams which cannot be folded are banned from buses.


The full article contains 553 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 August 2008 9:50 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

B S,

14/08/2008 12:10:37
Cue toxic comment from "allknowing"....
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ZipptJeffrey,

castle 14/08/2008 12:14:19
The management at Lothian buses as been incompetent to the extreme over implementing this unwarranted, uneeded rule. I can see a lot of drivers being sympathetic with the mothers and letting them and thier kids on regardless, ignoring the senile management of Lothian buses. If i worked at Lothian buses headquarters, i wouldnt advertise to anyone down the pub!! There needs to be a legal test case against Lothian Buses over this. Any lawyers out there with a wife and young kid who would want to do a pro bono case against Lothian Busues?
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14/08/2008 12:14:40
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14/08/2008 12:15:58
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S. A. C.,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:20:15
I think everyone should boycot LRT. Just an idea...!
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Bill MacD,

14/08/2008 12:23:15
Are you listening LRT. PR disaster. Won't end. Stop this stupid legally unnecessary rule now.
7

Labradoodle,

14/08/2008 12:23:16
I think this a perfect example of why every rule should have an exception. Yes a card or pass to identify that a child has a disibility is a good idea, this would allow the child to have the same rights a wheelchair user
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Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 12:23:53
Ahhhh, good old knownothing reverts to his usual caring, sharing self...

"If you can't afford to drive your disabled kids to Waitrose in a 4x4 getting 12 miles per gallon to buy all day breakfast sandwiches, then you are a sponger with no more right to live on god's clean earth than a weasel", etc, etc ad nauseam...
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Steven P,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:24:55
Rather like the drivers strike, this issue should never have been allowed to escalate to this stage.
But then the smug (and who wouldnt be) management at LRT are all too busy stuffing wads of cash into each other's pockets to be bothered with anything else.
10

fresian,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:26:10
And the council really expect people to get out of their cars and use public transport... I don't think so somehow!
11

Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 12:26:39
Hmmmm...interesting how the Lothain Buses spokesperson could give no comment on this.

Wasn't this pram ban "necessary" to ensure "compliance with the DDA"?

Would be interested to read the bit of the DDA that says you should ban disabled babies from buses.
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Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

14/08/2008 12:27:52
If I was in her shoes I would just board the bus anyway and dare the driver to call the police, given the area she is getting on the bus at the driver will most likely just get on with it and drive. A good example is if you try and get on the bus with a chippy in town the driver will always stop you, get on with a chippy in a rough scheme the driver will usually just let you on because he knows that it would be more hassle than it was worth. Oh and before I get a barrage of hate filled posts, I am not saying that everyone from these areas are neds including the girl in the article.
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It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:28:26
sorry but this is a clear cut case as far as the DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) is concerned. LRT's refusal to allow a disabled child on to the bus could and should result in a heavy fine.

The DDA wording is pretty clear - a company cannot refuse or provide an inferior service to a person with a disability.
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alex patersons English teacher,

14/08/2008 12:32:16
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We should put the deadned job drivers on the bingham route,oh yeh.
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14/08/2008 12:37:05
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Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 14/08/2008 12:37:10

This just shows how 'ludicrous' this policy is!
The very ones LRT tell us it is to protect are 'disbanded'! It is a total disgrace!

My heart goes out for you Caroline Docherty and wee baby Sophie, we wish you happy future and want you to know, we are not all uncaring, some of us will help a mother with baby at any time, not that I am a bus driver, but you know what I mean.
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14/08/2008 12:38:39
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D2,

14/08/2008 12:39:37
#7 There is already such a card scheme. If the childs mother claims disability living allowance for support for the child and is granted travel allowance to help her get around, then she will be entitled to a pass which not only lets the child on the bus free but also a carer with the child. In addition to being able to travel on buses for free, she will also get a weekly allowance for help with other travel costs such as taxis.
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Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

14/08/2008 12:42:50
#16 - Although very right-wing he does have a point. If you go to that area, Granton, Royston, Pilton etc. I speak from personal experience as I used to work there - there are literally no women over the age of 20 who don't have at least one kid and very few of these kids have a father figure around.
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allknowing,

14/08/2008 12:43:13
#18, What part of not providing for your kid dont you agree with???
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ChrisEH26,

Penicuik 14/08/2008 12:50:11
It seems that Lothian Buses have really dropped themselves in it this time. Unless they change their minds, they could be prosecuted under the Disability Discrimination laws for doing something they claim is due to those same laws!
Of course, once the trams arrive this problem will disappear
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14/08/2008 12:56:42
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:57:40
This ban on prams is ludicrous---as are the vast majority of bans.

Incidents like this prove the point.

Anyway, I fail to see why someone in a wheelchair should take priority over a mother with a buggy or pram. It should be a case of "first come, first served".

It is fair enough that disabled people should have special provisions put in place for them, but elevating them in the pecking order just because they are blind/deaf/crippled etc is totally out of order and not acceptable in a modern society.
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Ernie, Voice of Reason,

14/08/2008 13:02:23
#23. Just ignore him, he's only looking for some attention since nobody else want to talk to him at lunchtime.
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14/08/2008 13:06:53
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allknowing,

14/08/2008 13:08:11
#23,#25

I ask again, what part dont you agree with.

This poor child, is dragged in her pram to the bus stop, come rain,snow,sleet etc, then as above, doesnt even get on the bus to get to her hospital appointment after waiting an hour, so will need to re-book it.
Is that what you call providing for your child? I dont. Gettng her there on time, warm and safe is called providing!

Call me all the names you want, I have the moral victory on this one. All children should be able to get to their most important things, such as hospital appointments etc, without having to depend on public transport, which time and time gain is proved worthless and cr4p!
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Whiskey,

14/08/2008 13:08:57
All knowing.
You are, without a doubt, one miserable sack of s**t!!
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allknowing,

14/08/2008 13:09:21
#26 no if you apply my theory, responsible parents would have other options to get their kids to hospital other than public transport.
Nothing wrong with that theory me thinks!!!
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Peedie Paws,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:13:00
Well, I guess that answers the question I asked several weeks ago, on the buggy/wheelchair topic re what would happen if someone with a buggy which held a disabled child tried to get on the bus? Now I know cos it has happened. I am totally disgusted with Lothian Buses for refusing to allow this lady and her baby on the bus. Don't get me wrong, I agree that disabled people should be given access not only to public buildings but to public transport. But, come on, lets have some common sense please, Lothian Buses!
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Susan99,

14/08/2008 13:20:59
Can't believe they've banned prams!
When I had my son 4 years ago the bus was invaluable as I couldn't drive, I was prepared to get off the bus if a disabled person needed the space and just took account for this on my journey - the reality is that the disabled space wasn't used very much and I only ever had to get off the bus once in about 2 years!

***PR disaster for LRT*** (they're not the sharpist tools in the box)

Mental note for Edinburgh Council - Just as well I can drive now and have a car cause I certainly couldn't rely on the buses if I have another child!!!
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Sarcasm,

14/08/2008 13:24:35
#29 ... she now finds it very difficult to get around, AND to take Sophie to hospital appointments.

Taking half the story and using them to justify a theory shows how weak it is.
How many time does she require to go out in order to provide for the child compared to hospital visits.

Providing for a child means a hell of a lot more than a car seat but you'll never know.

As for moral victory, I don't think so.
Your lack of them can't even make you victorious in defeat.

Admit it you just don't like kids next to you on the bus.
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14/08/2008 13:27:06
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:29:29

Fuel Head ~24,

Well said! Once again you think like I do,
So there you go, Caroline Docherty and baby Sophie, you have two gentlemen supporters already!
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Clen Peapus,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:33:13
#27 with that sort of logic the same could be applied to disabled people. Wheelchair users should be capable of simply wheeling themselves along the road, if the wheelchair is electric all the better. You might also suggest that able-bodied people should be able to provide transport for themselves without relying upon public transport.

However these suggestions are absolutely nonsensical. Public transport is there for public use, and no-one should be discriminated against when attempting to use it.
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 13:39:04
There was always going to be a grey area with this 'policy'. I really do feel for Caroline and her daughter, Sophie. As if the poor woman doesn't have enough to deal with. Hope LB are pleased with themselfs.

Nice to see Allknowing having a field day, as per..
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

14/08/2008 13:43:22

#36 Agree with all you say on this one. Know nowt's arrogance and ignorance is a joy to behold, especially as he seems to think he is superior in some way, he is good for a laugh.
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14/08/2008 13:45:33
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14/08/2008 13:47:33
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raythebear,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:52:39
is this just on certain routes?? every bus I use has someone with a pram on constantly
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Ernie, Voice of Reason,

14/08/2008 14:03:56
#38. You really need to be a bit more careful with your choice of words.

I see that your initial posts have been deleted. Something which I disagree with - if you want to demonstrate to all and sundry how ill-informed, narrowminded and arrogant you are then you're more than welcome to do so as far as I'm concerned.
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 14:04:20
#38

WHy is my theory of providing for a child weak?
"How many time does she require to go out in order to provide for the child compared to hospital visits."
Besides the point, doesnt matter if she misses only one or 5, a brain dead child has now missed a vital appointment. Thats not providing is it!

The fact you can say something like that about a 5 month old baby girl says alot about you
I completely back up the person who said you should crash your '4x4', preferably so you can't use a keyboard!
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14/08/2008 14:10:41
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Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 14:19:21
Hey knownothing....maybe caring for a child with a disability is just SLIGHTLY more labour intensive and financially costly than caring for a child without a disability. Ever think of that one, genius?

Interested to know exactly how the parents could have planned ahead for this? Of course, being a thorougly selfish person who cares only about himself, his 4x4 and his Waitrose sarnies, I doubt empathy for others is something that has ever entered what passes for your brain.
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lothian bus driver,

14/08/2008 14:29:13
The management at Lothian buses are scared to make a call on any issue unless the Operations Manager or Head of control are there to guide them so push the issue and you will most likely be allowed on. I have had this loads of times I let the contorl know of a person who is breaking the rules and is addamant that they are not getting off. the response is usually let them travel. so fook the
45

Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 14:30:37
Wow....did knownothing seriously just refer to this poor baby as "brain-dead"?!?

You really are one sick, child-hating sociopath, aintcha?

46

Sarcasm,

14/08/2008 14:41:33
Not sorry I missed the brain dead post allknowing, but it means I can't comment.

Still, nice to see you respond to a bit of reasoned debate by going off topic and sinking to a new low.

By your standards that's something to be proud of, something to tell the grandchildren about.

No sorry, that not going to happen is it.
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LLCJ,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 14:47:20

What I have been wondering about throughout this debate is, what about the old style buses that are still in operation and don't have a space for a wheelchair or pram? Surely this is a breach of the DDA?
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Hibernia,

14/08/2008 14:50:17
Just when you think LRT cant make even bigger fools of themselves they manage to come up with this ruling.

Im right with Fuel Head on this one its a downright disgrace and I hope that Caroline and baby Sophie take this as far as they have to and show the fools at LRT for what they are.
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Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 14/08/2008 14:53:47

Yum mum ~42,

Well said! An innocent, defenceless, vulnerable, unwell Baby!
How can anyone be soo cruel not to support the mother Caroline Docherty .
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Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 14/08/2008 14:55:35

Yum mum ~42,

Well said! An innocent, defenceless, vulnerable, unwell Baby!
How can anyone be soo cruel not to support the mother Caroline Docherty .
51

jdships,

14/08/2008 15:18:06
I travelled on one of the "new" type No 27 buses from Hanover Street to Goldenacre yesterday afternoon.
A young mum with a four wheel smallish non folding pram approached the driver and asked "permission" to bring it on the bus.
" No problem hen but mind if a wheelchair person needs on I may have to ask you to get off"

10/10 to this driver for using simple common sense.
The number of people who spoke to the him when leaving said it all.

Take note LRT "COMMON SENSE" rules OK
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Number1,

Everywhere 14/08/2008 15:23:48
Here we go again!
How is the the driver of the bus to know if the child is disabled or not? It's not against the 'DDA' at all, just a simple mistake. Which yes, could be sorted if Lothian Buses were to back down with this rule or Caroline Docherty's idea of the introduction of a special pass. But our job is already made hard, when we get letters of complaint when we have to 'knock back' wheelchair users because there's already one on the bus or a buggy user refuses to fold it up. We, the drivers get it in the neck, yet we aren't the people who made this stupid ruling!
Don't shoot the messenger Edinburgh!

One more thing.... IT'S NOT ''LRT'' ANYMORE, LOTHIAN BUSES!!!
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14/08/2008 15:23:55
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Charles Linskaill,

On the go on the mobile 14/08/2008 15:25:57

Skip ~46,

I missed that comment also, maybe just aswell.

Fact is, 'notknowing' will be if not already barred from this site, it is in the rules and regulations, if someone persistently makes degrading or insulting comments they will be unable to post any comment.
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 15:26:55
#55

If she was allowed on the buses, appointments wouldnt be an issue. So that whole paragraph is pointless.
NEXT!

#54

"I've tried to get on seven different buses in the last couple of weeks and they all refused me. I explained that my daughter has a disability, but they still wouldn't let me on."
Still a simple mistake?
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Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 15:28:50
#55

Wow, knownothing....your altruism and care for poor children really knows no bounds. You should probably get some kind of medal...
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Bob 2,

14/08/2008 15:31:28
Ms Docherty should check with her local Councilor

Not sure about the under 5 rule for "disabled" passes.

But know that people depending on their circumstances who require a Carer to be with them, Can get a bus disabled bus pass that lets the Holder and the carer on for "free".

Lothian Buses...get this mess sorted out........One thing this will be the last year that Lothian Buses is Britains best bus companies.

Come on Folks COMMENT on the Article, instead of 2 year olds with rattles

No13 has the best comment....in the Lothian Buses are breaking their own DDA rules
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Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 15:31:42
#57

Well said. Ignorance is no excuse. If you discriminate against someone, wittingly or unwittingly, it doesn't alter the fact that you have done it. Mum and baby don't care if it was a "mistake" or not, it doesn't lessen the impact on them - they still cannot get where they want to go, and the disabled child HAS been discriminated against.
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Number1,

Anywhere 14/08/2008 15:33:17
#54 YummyMummy

Like I said, I think Miss Docherty's idea of a new pass of some type would solve a lot of problems if 'LB' are to continue to enforce this rule. But it's when other people start to take advantage of drivers' common sense ie: ''driver, ma bairns disabled tae, a need tae git tae the job centre wae him! how come she got oan an' a canny!'' ... commence abuse volleyed at him/her in the seat.
I wouldn't have a problem letting someone on my bus if they were to let me know, as far as I'm concerned.
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Skip McClendon,

14/08/2008 15:38:29
#56 Charles Linskaill

Yes, I think the administrator deleted knownothing's "brain-dead" comment....or maybe that should be brain-dead knownothing's comment...

Sadly, looks like he hasn't managed to get himself banned yet. But it's only a matter of time if he keeps up the horribly insulting rants.
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 15:40:10
Disabled people should have a pass though, so i dont quite understand why she hasn't got one?
I'm sure if you can refuse a mother with a young baby, i'm sure refusing someone tryin to 'take advantage' shouldnt be a problem.
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alex patersons English teacher,

14/08/2008 15:41:40
55
would you pin all your hops on the buses in the spring or all year round
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Sarcasm,

14/08/2008 15:44:57
#55
So what your saying is that for a small minority of the time the mother is to blame, for the rest it's Lothian Buses.

I knew you'd see sense in the end.
You've not got far to come now.
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 15:49:14
#55
"If she was pinning all her hops on the buses, then that is irresponsible, and she shouldn’t be having kids. If people want to use buses, go ahead, makes more room for me on the road, but parents have a responsibility to their kids to be able to get them to a place of care if needed, without having to depend on one mode of transport."

First of all, your contridct yourself saying people shouldn't use buses then saying it's good people uses buses cause there's more room on the road for you.
And one mode of transport? What if you have one car?
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14/08/2008 16:03:54
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:06:31

Slip ~62,

I am rarely wrong, just an hour ago , I said the whole comment page on the red haired lad would disappear, now it has.
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14/08/2008 16:22:15
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Russell339,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:22:42
#54 - Did you attend a High School ?
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fresian,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:28:07
No word from Jenny today...come on, surely she can bring herself to agree with fuel head for once..
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Russell339,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:34:30
If Caroline's baby is registered as disabled, she can apply for a companion concessionary travel pass from The Scottish Government. This would allow her to be recognised as a necessary public transport companion for her daughter, and thus get a free travel pass which clearly states that she is travelling with a disabled child, and would eliminate any confusion on the part of the drivers.
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Incandescent,

14/08/2008 16:36:48
#69 - Your grammar and spelling is too good. The inclusion of the "F" word isn't enough to be convincing.
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14/08/2008 16:37:11
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Incandescent,

14/08/2008 16:40:16
#74 Is your chair positioned in a Wi-Fi hotspot then?
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YummyMummy,

14/08/2008 16:40:32
#74

The fact your the only person going on about it shows no-one else really cares. Isn't it your bedtime soon?
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bun107,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 16:52:37
My son is 4 and a half and disabled and i've just checked out the rules on getting the concessionary companion card - looks great - unless you live in Edinburgh.

The scottish rules state - be in receipt of DLA (which he is as he has severe epilepsy) but in Edinburgh he doesn't meet the 'criteria' below:

If you are blind or disabled, you must be over five years of age. You must also demonstrate that you meet one of the following criteria:

over 5 or 60 years of age or over
registered blind/partially sighted
unable to walk without considerable and permanent difficulty
without the use of both arms
profoundly deaf
medically unfit to drive
severe mental health problems
profound learning difficulties.

So good idea no.72 but it doesn't apply to Caroline unfortunately!

Good luck to Caroline = my sympathies are with you.
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Prin the Dissolving Donkey,

14/08/2008 17:00:11
An equals sign?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 17:24:54

Looks like someone is missing, or has gone very quiet.
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elayne,

14/08/2008 17:50:41
if caroline gets dla for sophie would she not be able to make use of concessionary taxi as an alternative to the bus,it may be more practical and less hassle,it is worth looking into,especially if sophie is attending hospital on a regular basis.
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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 17:50:59
There is a group called Handicabs in canaan Lane who provide transport for the disabled of all ages its like a taxi service but on a bigger scale and it is for the disabled only.

The NHS provide a service where you can be picked up for an appointment and run back home again.

Better still LRT why don't you brimg back the sprinters and make them buggy and disabled friendly only this would stop the buses from being cluttered and hopfully stop passangers from amalgamating at the front of the bus stopping people from getting off and on the bus what happened to the NO PASSENGERS PAST THIS POINT its an absolute nightmare and have a thought for the poor mothers who have to fight through this every day, its about time the buggy crew stood up and aired their opinions FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BE NOTICED.
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Teresa C,

14/08/2008 18:38:04
I am more than happy to get off for a wheelchair user and do understand I should, I do not resent this in any way. What makes me cross is my daughter is disabled but not in a wheelchair - where does that leave me? Should I have to stand there trying to explain to the driver that in fact I have more 'right' than most pram user passengers to sit in the space regardless of whether my pram folds easily?

A 'special' pass - a good idea but shouldn't be necessary. Frankly I would resent having to apply for a 'special' pass to get onto a public transport. Funded by us, the tax payer.
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busman,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 18:49:05
I work for LB as a driver. Firstly i would like to say that the lady with the baby should have been allowed to travel on the bus, no questions asked. The baby has a disability and therefor should have the same rights as a wheelchair user.
Secondly, what everyone needs to realise is what did we all do before low floor buses? We all folded our buggies down or walked.
Thirdly, we don't hear any complaints from disabled users who use motorised scooters. They have never been allowed travel on buses, with exception to one single scooter model.
Lastly, i would like to remind people that this rule is from our boses and we have no option but to adhere to it, whether or not we agree with it. There needs to be clear guidelines brought in from goverment level.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

14/08/2008 19:09:02
Prams are a nuisance, especially these double buggies. There is no room for them. They are objects which could hurt passengers on a crowded bus, especially in an accident. It's bad enough dodging a pram on a pavement. They should use the cycle lanes in the road.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

14/08/2008 19:12:18
#83 - Busman, just do as you are told. If you are not happy, then go elsewhere. Stop bleating - & get on with your job, as instructed.
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kenny spowart florida,

lutz 14/08/2008 20:15:21
they should get special busses that will pick people up that are disabled on request a bus taxi no problem
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Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 21:23:21
LRT is partly owned by Edinburgh Council, hence by Edinburgh Taxpayers. Elected Councillors should be more responsible and should act in the interest of their electors by telling LRT to stop this stupid rule.
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Don't believe the hype.,

Embra 14/08/2008 21:35:20
#83 Busman
Go to LB's website, click on the disclaimer at the bottom of the page and read the conditions of carraige. In particular get yourself up to speed with section 9 part B and C and you might provide a better service for your customers.
87

Waspy100,

14/08/2008 21:37:21
#85
Maria
Still childless and stil an old girls blouse
You are really a sad wee person at the end of the day
Time you got a life
88

Sabina,

14/08/2008 22:06:30

It seems to be one rule for some but not to others, if they are saying you cant get on the buss with prams then how come on my way home from work a couple got on my bus with there baby in a pram.
We have this poor mother who has tried 7 times yet not been allowed.
I can only say, perhaps the driver who was driving the bus I was on decided to ignore this new rule.

Well done to this bus driver
89

Applecrumble,

Somewhere near the equator 14/08/2008 22:56:55
Winter 1987. Freezing temparatures in a northern mainland European country. A one zear old girl is very ill and there are no buses running. What does her father do? wraps her up warm and tucks her safely inside his coat and walks the many miles to the hospital despite the fact that he himself is also very ill.
Dedicated parents will do anything.

But in this day and age where political correctness has given free reign to terrorists and criminals I don't blame the mother for wanting to get on the bus and avoid all the back alley types.

Get your act together LRT or I for one will give up my buspass even if it means walking miles everyday, well it wouldn't hurt.
90

AB's,

15/08/2008 10:05:20
For most of you above, what you are saying is that before you have a child you should be able to drive?

Can you imagine it?
''Oh sorry honey but even though we are married/joined, happy, have a home, and enough money, you cant have that baby as you cant drive?''

GET A GRIP!



Another point is, most mothers who can drive prefer to get the bus as it is safer, I for one would not like my child having to be in the backseat due to airbags in the front, esp if they were at a young age never mind disabled - anything could happen and you wouldnt be able to reach him or her right away. The above mother might not be able to fit all the childs essentials in the car anyways. Also hospital car parks are expensive and the council are encouraging people to take the bus.

Now before you argue againest this, think about how you would feel if this was you and your child?!
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AB's,

15/08/2008 10:13:31
oh and to add to the other post.

what really pee's me off is the fact that LRT can do this and then let all the steaming drunk a*sholes on the bus to be sick, make a mess, upset other customers, and belive me I have seen a few of them come on with these ''passes''.

the decision should lie with the driver, always - after all he is driving and has to ''look after'' the bus and riders.
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YummyMummy,

15/08/2008 10:47:51
#93

Most of the above? The only person who thinks you need to drive before you have a child is allknowing.
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Winters,

Glasgow 15/08/2008 11:48:12
I can't see any reason why Lothian Buses refuse to allow unfolded prams on their buses.
If the First Bus group allow it, why not Lothian Bus?
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RoseR,

N Edinburgh 15/08/2008 16:06:23
I have written to Lothian buses about this one and curiously no reply. I am disabled myself, I walk with two sticks, except I cannot do this when I have my young daughter. I have no choice but to have a large, heavy, rigid pram to support me so I can walk with her. If a wheelchair gets on the bus I can vacate the space by GETTING OFF so I don't see what it matters if my pram folds or doesn't fold, I can't walk without it anyway, and I couldn't lift a light buggy or anything else into the luggage rack. If I give my agreement to vacate the bus on request then who cares what kind of pram I am pushing?
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PERFECT PRINCESS ,

HERE & NOW 15/09/2008 17:33:10
THIS ONES FOR allknowing (who by the way knows nowt). I know Caroline from school days & I just wish she could run into you just once so she beat your bloody small head in! Just so it would make her feel better for a little while, you arrogant silly small minded little person!

 

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