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Mother's outrage at infant bus fare policy



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Published Date: 01 September 2008
A MOTHER of triplets has accused Lothian Buses of discriminating against her by only allowing two of her babies to travel for free.
Carolyn Armstrong said she was "outraged" when drivers told her she would need to pay for one of her 21-month-old children, as the company only waives the fare for two children under five.

But the bus company has refused to back down and has only replied to her letters by sending her a copy of their policy.

It comes as the council-owned firm is already under pressure from parents due to its controversial ban on prams.

Most other companies, including First Bus, say drivers are encouraged to use discretion when it comes to babies. They say mothers need not pay unless the children are occupying seats.

Mrs Armstrong, 43, a full-time mum from Corstorphine, carries one child on her back and two in a double buggy.

She said: "I was absolutely shocked when I was asked to pay. If my children were walking and sitting on seats then I would have no problem paying for them.

"I've written to Lothian Buses on several occasions, but they just quote their policy and don't acknowledge the special circumstances.

"I find I'm limited in what I can do now, as it is already difficult getting around with triplets. Some of the drivers have been quite rude when I've got on a bus.

"If they do ask me to pay, I ask them which one of my babies they want me to pay for.

"How sad that, as a mother of triplets, this blatant discrimination goes unnoticed every time I want to take my children on a Lothian bus."

As well as her triplets – Ben, Laura and Grace – Mrs Armstrong has a five-year-old son, Euan.

A spokesman for Lothian Buses said the policy was "in line with most other UK bus operators".

He said: "Our company conditions of carriage clearly state that two children under the age of five can travel free with every full fare-paying passenger. Additional children pay the standard child fare of 60p."

However, a First Bus spokesman said: "If a fee-paying adult came on with three four-year-olds who were sitting on seats, they would have to pay for one of them. But if the babies are in a buggy, then they are obviously not taking up any more room, provided the buggy meets our size requirements."

Lothian Buses has come under fire recently because of its policy of refusing to allow parents on board with prams or buggies that cannot be folded. The company says the policy is in line with the Disability Discrimination Act but disability campaigners have criticised the company's inflexibility, saying there is no reason mothers with prams cannot use the disabled space if it is vacant.

More than 100 people have signed a petition on the Scottish Parliament website and the company has received more than 130 letters, e-mails and coupons protesting against the ban, but more than 20 letters of support.

Lothian Buses' lawyers said it could not rely on the "common courtesy" of pram users to move out of the wheelchair space.


The full article contains 539 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 September 2008 3:25 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses , Transport
 
1

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 11:58:55
Ooooh, this one's gonna get ugly. The child-haters (about 75% of posters at the EEN, it seems) are gonna have a field day with this one...
2

pofi,

01/09/2008 12:04:03
How much more "mothers' outrage" can we take?!!
I saw a mother refuse to fold up her buggy on Saturday to allow another mother on; she was with her partner and could easily have done it.
They are their own worst enemies....
3

Grumpy,

01/09/2008 12:06:25
So just how can she expect to take 3 kids on a bus and not have one of them sitting on a seat? Or does she just sit back and squash the little 'un on her back? Even the size of a double buggy is a bit beyond expectations. If you want to take Mrs Armstrong's complaint to the limit, what if she was the mother of sextuplets? (Mind you, she'd probably get a complimentary MPV from Vauxhall to help)
4

pofi,

01/09/2008 12:07:20
Incidentally #1 it isn't the children the majority of posters hate, just the minority of thoughtless mothers....
5

JeB,

the city 01/09/2008 12:10:02
Surely there are more newsworthy stories today than yet another one sided story about lothian buses and their policies. I am so tired or seeing the same story over and over again - get a new angle or better yet, stop writing the stories altogether!
6

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01/09/2008 12:13:54
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It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:20:28
#6 & #8 read the post! triplets! FYI thats three at once, what do you propose she does? maybe drowning two of them like puppies at birth. EEN ban these idiot posters now!
8

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:21:34
#6, #7

Jeez, you numpties....why not read the story first?

The kids are TRIPLETS! How exactly was she supposed to know that was going to happen? Sure they did plan for what do when they had a child, but then three turned up at once. A bit like buses, in fact.

9

allknowing,

01/09/2008 12:23:51
#9 read my posts!!!!

When you have kids, be it one, two, three, five or hundred, ask yourself some simple questions.

1/ Can I afford them. I being the mum to be, not with help from others ie the state.
2/ Can I transport them around. I being the mum to be, not with help from others ie the state.

If you answer no to the above, then either earm more, or dont have kids. Kids are not a right, but a responsibility, and parents have the responsbility to bring their kids into a world fully supported by them, not the state!
10

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01/09/2008 12:25:37
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11

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:29:30
#11

And then only the independently wealthy will be able to afford to have kids at all. Eventually the human race dies out. Or maybe rampant in-breeding of the rich ensues, causing the gene pool to weaken and the human race to de-evolve into a sub-species which is then only concerned with things like Waitrose sarnies and driving 4x4s...
12

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:29:31
#11...You are a total bahookie.....
13

Sarcasm,

01/09/2008 12:30:09
8.
I assume Sonic and Donkey are games then.
14

blackley,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:31:16
If you can afford triplets you can afford the fare. Anyway it's the rules, ducky, so just get on with it.
Is it me or have pushchairs taken on the look and bulk of Sherman tanks?
15

pofi,

01/09/2008 12:32:14
At the risk of sounding tasteless- given her age and a multiple birth this indicates medical intervention ie IVF treatment.
So she must have known what she is doing.
I don't mind what she does so long as she pays for it herself...
16

allknowing,

01/09/2008 12:33:15
#15

So your saying its ok for kids to be brought into the world with their parents having to rely/depend on the state!
17

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:35:45
#20

No. What I am saying is that you are a numptie.
18

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:37:15
I am getting rather sick of the mock outrage that this paper promotes and one wonders, as with their anti-tram propaganda, what is their agenda?
19

pofi,

01/09/2008 12:38:38
I'm with allknowing on this one (for once!)
If I couldn't have afforded to have children I wouldn't have had them. I'd have loved to have more than 2 but we couldn't afford it.
So, why should the rest of us subsidise those unwilling to pay their own way?
20

my opinion,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:39:54
I just cant believe what Im reading with some of the very disturbing remarks.
We are talking about 3 babies who dont have a clue .
I think some of your comments are nasty and so distgusting.
Telling the woman to keep "her knickers up" .This is not clever it just shows how ignorant you idiots are.
EEN need to stop allowing these horrible and nasty comments .
We are all allowed to travel and yes if the rules are you must pay for the third child then fine.
But there is no need to post those comments .
It comes across as you have no kids ,prob no partner and are a bit of a control freak and bully.
The type that would kick people when they are down.
Your all vile making these remarks.
21

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01/09/2008 12:41:35
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22

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:42:28
#23

But what if your 2nd child had turned out to be triplets? Wouldn't have been your fault, would it? You can't plan for stuff like that. It is unlikely to happen but, to some people, it does happen. You can't plan ahead for every possible eventuality.
23

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 01/09/2008 12:43:20
Why can't she just follow the rules and pay 60p?
24

allknowing,

01/09/2008 12:47:02
~26 whats wrong, why won you answer my question, instead of the usual verbal rubbish you spout.

Are you saying its OK for kids to be brought into this world with their parents having to depend on the state?
25

alex patersons English teacher,

01/09/2008 12:48:03
24
My all vile didnt make any remark.
26

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01/09/2008 12:48:47
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27

alex patersons English teacher,

01/09/2008 12:50:40
28
if hes won, are you the runner up.
28

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 12:51:04
#22 That Evening News Agenda in full:

08.00: Drag Gibbo out of the pub and sit him in front of his typewriter. Find his diary so he can remember who gave him last night's free meal/drinks and give them a mention.

08.30: Skim through the dailies looking for stories to nick.

09.00: Review all the photos of the current councillors and pick out the worst three. Send Roden and Ferguson off to make something up about them.

09.30: Send copy off to print.

10.00: Ring up people blamed in the made-up stories for their right of reply.

10.30: Pub.
29

pofi,

01/09/2008 12:51:46
#26, I would have just shut up and got on with it, instead of running to the press when asked to pay 60p!
The point I was making was that multiple births at her age tend to have been medically assisted, a possibility which is explained from the outset. No surprises there then.

There seems to be some sort of Mummy Mafia in Edinburgh, frustrated mums- possibly formerly in high-powered jobs making a huge deal out of the little things which the rest of us just put up with quietly, as we should.
Heaven help them if any major catastrophe ever happens to them...
30

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:51:56
#28. I did answer you question. I said "no". Look it up in a dictionary if you don't know what it means.

Otherwise, I was just pointing out that your argument is nonsense. In your world, only lottery winners and the Royal Family would be allowed to have kids. Now THERE'S a forumula for a well-functioning society. But I guess you don't believe in society either, do you?
31

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01/09/2008 12:52:17
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32

Pacob75,

01/09/2008 12:53:30
This is a non-story as far as I'm concerned, just lazy journalism once again from the same reporter. It's not a new rule, its been this way for over 30 years!!!

Well done EEN for reminding us about this (sheesh, it definitely must be a slow news day!)
33

Sarcasm,

01/09/2008 12:56:36
34.
did a funny thing happen on the way to the forumula.
34

Bob 2,

01/09/2008 12:57:04
This rule has been around for as long as I can remember
,even FIRST have the same policy

However, a First Bus spokesman said: "If a fee-paying adult came on with three four-year-olds who were sitting on seats, they would have to pay for one of them.

No doubt another EN campaign on the way.

No doubt most drivers have from LB have used discrestion, Couldn't Mrs Armstrong not have just paid the fare due,like every other fare paying passenger.

Now every driver will be following the rules.

Imagine having to pay your way to get on a bus.

Maybe Mrs Armstrong could start a campaign to allow all standing passengers on buses for FREE and you only pay if you are sitting down

As no 27 simply says "Why can't she just follow the rules and pay 60p?"
35

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:58:43
#38. Lowest form of wit, you know. It was a typo!
36

allknowing,

01/09/2008 12:59:44
Foo, Skip,


You two really need to calm down a wee bit.

Where did I say anything about a car. Other means could be taxi, walking, etc etc.

Also, Skip, your just being daft. You dont need to be a lottery winner of royalty to afford to take your kids around in a car. Millions of poeple manage it everyday, so hardly the domain of the rich is it??

Kids have the right to get to appointments on time (remember the mum weeks ago who missed appointments becuase of her depending on the bus) and now we have another mum stuck becuase she, like so many others, didnt think things through and would let the state sort things out.

Picture the scene, Sunday night, and wee charlie has a very high fever and isnt looking to good. I know, I will just pop on a bus and trek across town to the local A&E. But wait, there are no buses, just the night bus, and its pouring wet outside. So you either subject an already ill kid to that, or wait unitl the morning when he/she has gotten worse. Mmm.. great parenting!!
37

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 12:59:45
#38

....although I do give you credit for a decent joke!
38

Bob 2,

01/09/2008 12:59:56
blatant discrimination she says, Its fairly easy to understand.

2 children under 5 travel FREE with a Fare paying adult.

At what point do you stop letting them on for free.
39

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 01/09/2008 13:00:07
This is not news, this is simply the Evening News on its lets be negative about everything we can be. Child fare on the bus 60p, deal with it - rules are rules! Buses need money to run, no money no buses simple really!
40

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 13:02:57
#41

Here we go, back to your love of the car again...

Many of us own cars. Many of us have kids. Many of us like to use public transport now and again. None of this alters the fact that, for someone who claims never to use the bus, you spend a huge amount of time posting on blogs about buses.

Being a parent involves a lot more than just driving your kid around in a car.
41

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:06:27
> "How sad that, as a mother of triplets, this blatant discrimination goes unnoticed every time I want to take my children on a Lothian bus." <

Of course it's blatant discrimination, just as it is when my wife and I travel together on the bus and both of us are expected to pay fares, whereas if I travel on my own I only have to pay one fare.

Time this woman stopped moaning and stopped expecting that she should always get (both literally and metaphorically) a free ride.
42

Linmal,

Livingston 01/09/2008 13:06:47
Here we go again, happy as can be...... If your bottom is on a seat you should pay for it (the seat that is)end of story ie another news "non story"!
43

The Judge,

01/09/2008 13:06:49
60p to take 3 bairns and a giant buggy on the bus? Seems like a bargain to me, some mothers just look for an excuse to complain.
44

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

01/09/2008 13:07:21
#15 Skip ponders:

"Or maybe rampant in-breeding of the rich ensues, causing the gene pool to weaken and the human race to de-evolve into a sub-species"

You can't have been to Lothian Road on a weekend if you imagine this hasn't already happened.
45

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 13:09:55
#51

Obviously, I don't get out much. Can't afford the bus fare! ;-)
46

Jane Plane,

01/09/2008 13:16:24
So the little ones are 21 months and this is the first time the mother has been asked for an additional 60p. I would count myself lucky that I'd got away with it for so long if I were her !!

And how will she cope in another 39 months time when she is asked to pay for all of them ?
47

Boy Wonder,

01/09/2008 13:16:46
I have never seen it written on bus posters OR in a public notice on a bus that a mother has to pay for a third child under 5.

Can someone clarify that??
48

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 13:17:11
#55

She'd be making so much at the Fringe, she would have no need to get the bus.
49

James (1),

01/09/2008 13:17:30
I suppose this woman should be able to ignore any company policy. If a holiday firm say free child spaces but stipulate the first child goes free then why are they discriminating against the mother by not letting the 2nd and 3rd go free. After all they are all children.
How thick is this woman? She has obviously tried on numerous occasions to get on a bus without paying and been told by various drivers she has to pay. When is the penny going to drop? She is persistant and attention seeking.
What benefits does she receive for the children? Could she not spend some of it on bus fares?
50

Pacob75,

01/09/2008 13:17:36
BOOOORRIIIIIIIIINNGGGGGG!!!!!
51

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 13:19:05
#56

All-knowing has offered to lend her his 4x4, as he is so concerned about the children's welfare and doesn't want them to miss any important appointments.
52

Sarcasm,

01/09/2008 13:27:57
#57
No mention of chuckles, you feeling OK.

http://lothianbuses.com/tickets.php

Down the bottom under travel restrictions.
53

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 01/09/2008 13:28:47
24#maybe with 3 kids,she has money to buy nickers.think about it
54

my opinion,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:29:39
#37 The Genuine Mario Antoinette
First point I take it you have no kids ?( There is a surprise !)
Otherwise you might realize that 21 month old kids don't have a clue regarding the rules and regulations with LRT.
As prob many people don't in Edinburgh till a situation arises.
And what has Siamese twins got do do with it ?
They ARE NOT SIAMESE TWINS are they ,unless i have missed that bit.
50K salary a year . How dare you assume and make that remark. What has her salary got to do with it ?
Sounds like you wish it was you with a 50k salary.
Do you work ? Or do you just sit on your PC all day looking to make nasty remarks on people and shove your out dated and vile remarks on what you think !
You are so sad I think you need help !
I just wonder if you would be so opinionated if you were face to face with these people.
You just hind behind your PC making nasty useful comments.
Get a life OK.
55

unclegus,

edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:29:41
what would happen if the family here tried the same on a train or aeroplane?
would they all be able to travel for one adult fare,would they be able to have a double buggy upright in the cabin/carriage,I think not.
Lets get real here the bus service should say buggies /prams should not be allowed on unless they are all folded,no upright buggies at anytime as the space is for wheelchairs and should be left as such.
56

Bob 2,

01/09/2008 13:33:26
the EN headline "Mother's outrage at infant bus fare policy"

should read

Mother's outrage at having to pay the CORRECT FARE for her child.....

shock horror

Good Point No59
57

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 13:34:44
#64 You go girl! Give that Mario what-for. Sometimes it seems like he just doesn't take things seriously. Mario, think on, sunshine, think on.
58

my opinion,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:35:37
#63 That comment just shows what an ignorant idiot you are !
59

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 13:37:14
#70 Go on, you tell 'em!
60

Bob 2,

01/09/2008 13:39:05
Best Comment

59 James (1),01/09/2008 13:17:30
I suppose this woman should be able to ignore any company policy. If a holiday firm say free child spaces but stipulate the first child goes free then why are they discriminating against the mother by not letting the 2nd and 3rd go free.

After all they are all children.

How thick is this woman? She has obviously tried on numerous occasions to get on a bus without paying and been told by various drivers she has to pay. When is the penny going to drop? She is persistant and attention seeking.
What benefits does she receive for the children? Could she not spend some of it on bus fares?
61

allknowing,

01/09/2008 13:39:50
~61
"All-knowing has offered to lend her his 4x4, as he is so concerned about the children's welfare and doesn't want them to miss any important appointments"

Where did i say that, or are you making things up again, and jumping to conclusions!!!

If a neighbour came to me with an ill child and ask if i could take them to hospital, of course I would. But I would also make sure she realsied the errors of her ways depending on one mode of transport, in this case, buses!!!!

I think you come on here to get some kind of reaction, but fail. Nothing but a troll, enjoy the rain tonight on the way home!!!
62

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 13:40:49
#73 Shut up in them shoes!
63

Sarcasm,

01/09/2008 13:42:57
Mario

As #64 says, stop these nasty useful comments.

Get back to your usual drivel.
64

my opinion,

Edinburgh New town 01/09/2008 13:44:08
I do have kids unlike you !
My kids are great and very well balanced unlike you.
And I really don't think you could buy my family !
Your now fantasising again.
I am so rich in all of my life in love,health,happiness and with money,but the most important are the first three and it looks like you lack all of them.
I feel sorry for you.
But then again with such a high opinion on yourself and a low opinion on others its no wonder you alone.
65

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:44:17
'However, a First Bus spokesman said: "If a fee-paying adult came on with three four-year-olds who were sitting on seats, they would have to pay for one of them. But if the babies are in a buggy, then they are obviously not taking up any more room, provided the buggy meets our size requirements." '

Since when does a buggy ( a double buggy to boot) not take up any more room?
66

Pacob75,

01/09/2008 13:44:41
64 - Whoa there - can't someone make a joke? Seems like you've had a humour bypass. Anyway Mario made a good point would - do siamese twins count as one or two fares?
67

alex patersons English teacher,

01/09/2008 13:47:09
64
Oh deer, you dont have a leg to stand on after that.
68

my opinion,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:49:32
Hey T.G.Mario A.
Are you Asexual
69

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01/09/2008 13:55:54
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my opinion,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 13:56:59
Well im just coming down to your level it all you seem to understand.
Get back to your sad lonely life.
Im going out now with all my kids on the bus as I think I will leave my Range Rover at home as I wont get parked on George Street.
71

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 13:58:25
#86 I think LRT should go further than that, and simply cease to exist in the year 2000. That would show her.
72

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 01/09/2008 14:04:31
Why is she calling herself a full time mum. My mum has been my mum all my life. Shes never had a day off as far as i can remember. When does a mum not become a full time mum ?. Is there an age it happens or what. Is the date set by government ?.
73

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 14:06:33
#74, Knownothing

"I think you come on here to get some kind of reaction, but fail. Nothing but a troll, enjoy the rain tonight on the way home!!!"

Yawn. Pot calls kettle black shocker.

Struggling with reading comprehension again, I see. I own a car, as I have pointed out several times before. But I don't think it makes me bigger or better than people who don't. Also comfortable with size of my equipment, so don't really see the need to keep talking about the fact that I have a car.
74

keep watching,

edinburgh 01/09/2008 14:08:03
nothing new about this, it is the same all over the country. pay up or walk
75

Niko Bellic,

Kirk O'Shotts 01/09/2008 14:16:36

#89 wow, how funny.
76

Pacob75,

01/09/2008 14:17:51
92 - Agreed! Obviously this so-called journalist hasn't had the desired response from her various pram ban articles over the last TWO months!!!!
77

allknowing,

01/09/2008 14:17:59
#91

Show me where today on this story I have mentioned my car being better than anything else.

End of day, if you want kids, provide for them, this means being able to afford more than one form of transport. Why cant you understand this simple concept? Now skip along back to work, and enjoy the bus trip home tonight.

78

Niko Bellic,

01/09/2008 14:22:57

#96 Discussed what, my humorous friend?
79

Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 14:23:46
#95

Still can't read, I note with sadness.

Enough of this. I'm off in the Bentley to pick up my case of Corona from the EEN Caption Comp editor. Will come in handy for lobbing at passing 4x4s outside Waitrose.
80

Incandescent,

01/09/2008 14:24:46
#87 my opinion

Utter nonsense.
81

Jane Plane,

01/09/2008 14:27:58
Maybe all the people who are as 'outraged' as the mother in this article could get together and run a wee bus compnay for anyone who is put upon by the daily trauma of life such as coping with buggies and children. I can barely think of anyone I know that has children or has ever had a bad day trying to get on a bus.

After all its not like ordinary people could possibly understand what its like. The bus could be run on fresh air and maybe even funded by lottery cash. Or there could be a weblink that we could pledge our donations to.
82

Niko Bellic,

Balerno 01/09/2008 14:28:03

#101 - keep eating the sellotape, you predictable fool
83

Swissguy,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 14:32:07
"I've written to Lothian Buses on several occasions, but they just quote their policy and don't acknowledge the special circumstances.

Why is she wanting special treatment, is she any different from any parent that has 3 children under 5?? the rule has been in place for at least 20 years. Its quite simple really, for every paying adult you are entitled to take 2 under 5's on the bus, they don't need to be your kids either. It is a business.
84

pofi,

01/09/2008 14:34:18
#78, Edinburgh New Town?! Who are you trying to kid?
With such atrocious spelling and punctuation you most certainly come from somewhere more lowly.
This is a forum, by the way, where everyone discusses their differing opinions. Just because you disagree with some of them doesn't make them any less worthy. You are wasting your energy getting all emotional about it. You obviously didn't come top of the debating class at school, did you?
(Re your comment at #24, if you think any comment is particularly "vile" then use the Report Unsuitable button. But only if it is inappropriate, offensive or unsuitable. Not just because you don't agree with it!!)
85

Swissguy,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 14:36:12
105 ??
86

Sarcasm,

01/09/2008 14:36:40
#98
Thanks for the warning, I'll be down that way scavenging for discarded sandwiches before visiting my private tutor.

I'll just check both my comprehensive private medical insurances.

After all, I don't want to rely on the state for anything do I.
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Niko Bellic,

Sing Sing 01/09/2008 14:44:53

#105 - which private school did you go to, i wonder. Probably not one of the decent ones anyway. Your supercilious attitude isn't superiority, it's just a supercilious attitude.

You aren't funny and you don't know when to shut up.
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Niko Bellic,

01/09/2008 14:49:54
>>>LOLZ MARIO MAKED A FUNNY ON TEH INTERNETZ<<< LOLZ
89

steve 1511,

aberdeen 01/09/2008 14:51:24
she should pay for a van to move that lot,60p she should be charged £60,they have them with the believe we should keep them
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Don't believe the hype.,

Embra 01/09/2008 14:53:41
DISCRIMINATION, How come two of her sprogs travel for free and I have to pay?..........Do you really want to get into a discrimination debate. Get real!
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Niko Bellic,

nICE n sLEAZY'S sAUCHIEHALL sTREET 01/09/2008 14:57:52

What's the Lothian Buses policy on dogs? Like if she had a great Dane a spaniel and a golden retriever?

Or what if she had like three domestic appliances, like a six slice toaster, an LCD television and a beer fridge?
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Smasher,

01/09/2008 14:58:15
With the amount of state hand outs this woman will be claiming, surely she can afford to travel by taxi.
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Bob 2,

01/09/2008 14:59:19
Come on Folks ...put the rattles away and debate the debate

Comment by 59 - read it - makes sense?


59 James (1),01/09/2008 13:17:30
I suppose this woman should be able to ignore any company policy. If a holiday firm say free child spaces but stipulate the first child goes free then why are they discriminating against the mother by not letting the 2nd and 3rd go free. After all they are all children.
How thick is this woman? She has obviously tried on numerous occasions to get on a bus without paying and been told by various drivers she has to pay. When is the penny going to drop? She is persistant and attention seeking.
What benefits does she receive for the children? Could she not spend some of it on bus fares?
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Bob 2,

01/09/2008 14:59:25
Come on Folks ...put the rattles away and debate the debate

Comment by 59 - read it - makes sense?


59 James (1),01/09/2008 13:17:30
I suppose this woman should be able to ignore any company policy. If a holiday firm say free child spaces but stipulate the first child goes free then why are they discriminating against the mother by not letting the 2nd and 3rd go free. After all they are all children.
How thick is this woman? She has obviously tried on numerous occasions to get on a bus without paying and been told by various drivers she has to pay. When is the penny going to drop? She is persistant and attention seeking.
What benefits does she receive for the children? Could she not spend some of it on bus fares?
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eveninglies,

01/09/2008 15:02:25
This rule has been there at least since the sixties.

Bus companies have allowed up to two (Generously) children to travel with an adult free of charge on the basis that when a bus is busy the group will take up only ONE seat space. As they will sit on their mothers knee.

I would think it unlikely that this little group and large buggy would fit in one seat space.

Lothian Buses although state owned is not state funded. It legally has to operate as a business. As such it has to make money by charging money for space on their buses.

Should anyone think that some form of free travel is required for any group, then they need to talk to government, local or national who would pay the bus companies on their behalf. This money coming from taxes.

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pofi,

01/09/2008 15:04:32
I always thought James (1) and Bob 2 were the same person. Now it appears Foo is too!
She is obviously pretty thick, I agree!
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Bob 2,

01/09/2008 15:07:48
Not the same person as FOO ...

think FOO is taking the mick or got nothing better to do.

james comment jsut sums it up, so now doubt foo has lost the agrument!
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Daddykoolest,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 15:08:11
Is Hazel Mollinson going to go through the entire list of things you can't get on a bus or you have to pay for and get a suitably enraged mother to complain about it?

"Mother's outrage at tin of paint fiasco"
"Mother's outrage at surfboard refusal"
"Mother's incandescent at portable tv snub"

For those who don't appreciate their local buses try using the buses elsewhere; Livingston (no route/time information on the bus stops); Glasgow (about as frequent as a Stone Roses album); Rugby (as about as fictional as a Tory revival).

Wake up and do some proper journalism.
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Linmal,

Livingston 01/09/2008 15:09:00
Lothian Buses are running a business here. You have to have some limits and in general children under 5 travel free but over 5s have to pay half fare or whatever it is these days. It was always 2 children under 5 and half fare for the third otherwise it just wouldn't be fair would it? Fairs fair after all. Have got in a bit of stooshie with my fair fares!
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Swissguy,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 15:10:19
*Please enter your comment*lothian buses pays the council about 2 million a year from its profits. The rule on dogs is they don't pay so the owner can't say i've paid for the dog so its getting a seat. also ment to be 2 dogs max!! one dog upstairs 1 down
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/09/2008 15:11:08
#128 That's crazy talk. None of the buses in Livingston, Glasgow or Rugby will take me anywhere near my work! Honestly, the entire world has gone mad.
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zorba1974,

embra 01/09/2008 15:21:11
I tried to get on a bus with a drink last week. The driver said you cant come on with coffee, i said its not coffee its soup, he still didnt let me on. Another bus came and the driver said you cant come on with a hot drink, i said it was only luke warm, he didnt let me on.

They also didnt let me on with a stool once which would have came in handy if the bus was full.

The funniest one was years ago when the driver didnt open the door as he told me that i should have been off 3 stops ago as i hadnt paid the correct fare. I told him not to bother reversing and just to let me off here.

The next week a driver asked me where i was going and i said i was going to see my granny.

On a serious note i do think that their fares have went up a lot over the years, it would be interesting to see by how much it has outstripped inflation (fuel rises noted).

Also, how many empty buses do you see, if a woman got on the bus and there was no one else on it then any child not in a buggy would surely not be stopping anyone from getting a seat. (discretion) It depends if drivers are allowed to be flexible with the rules.

One driver i was most upset with was when the lights were at red, he was at the lights and the back of his bus wasnt past the bus stop. When i knocked on the door in hope and expectation i was swiftly blanked, when i knocked the second time i got a point to the bus stop. The third knock was exchanged for an insult.
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Skip McClendon,

01/09/2008 15:33:42
#132

Nice to know that the big Frank Carson bumper book of jokes still has some fans out there. :-)
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zorba1974,

01/09/2008 15:42:13
I sometimes write my own stuff ;-)
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the pans 01/09/2008 15:43:15
When are Lothian Buses go