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Published Date: 12 November 2009
A CHURCH minister is facing the threat of the sack for refusing to live in his Edinburgh manse.
The Rev John Munro, minister at Fairmilehead Parish Church, is accused of breaking Church of Scotland regulations by opting to live in his own house instead and will face a "trial" in front of Kirk officials tomorrow.

If the case goes against him, he could face censure, suspension or even end up being fired.

Mr Munro, 60, lived in the eight-room manse in Braid Crescent, Morningside, for five years but it is understood his wife never liked the house. After Mr Munro's mother died in 2005, they sold her house in Comely Bank in order to buy a property in the Braids about 500 yards from the manse.

Neither the church nor Mr Munro would comment ahead of the hearing, but one of Mr Munro's supporters, who asked not to be named, said: "This is about someone's human right to enjoy a family life and home.

"His wife doesn't want to live in the manse and he wants to be a good husband. The church authorities don't seem to grasp that."

The Munros' house is smaller but has a driveway, garage and a bigger garden. Mr Munro still uses the manse as an office, working there each day. An American assistant minister, appointed to Fairmilehead for a year, is living there as a guest.

The congregation is happy with Mr Munro's arrangements, but the Church of Scotland's Edinburgh presbytery has ordered him to move back into the manse.

Tomorrow, the Kirk's Commission of Assembly – a 100-strong body set up to deal with internal disputes on behalf of the General Assembly – will hear Mr Munro's case at a special meeting in St Cuthbert's Parish Church.

The argument is expected to centre on differing interpretations of the wording of the Kirk's regulations. They say: "A minister has the right to live in the manse and a corresponding duty to occupy it".

Mr Munro is expected to argue he does "occupy" the manse because he is the one who has possession of the property and he works there every day.

But the presbytery will quote legal opinion from the church's law expert that any definition of "living in", "residing in" or "occupying" must consider issues such as "number of nights spent in the house; where an individual keeps his clothes and other possessions; where he carries out the activities of daily living (eg bathing, laundry, cooking and eating)".

The row could become a test case.

A presbytery insider said the church provided manses so ministers could move parishes without having to worry about the cost or availability of housing.

He said ministers were not taxed on their manses because they were seen as part of their job and any change in that status could cost the church a fortune.


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  • Last Updated: 12 November 2009 9:53 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

tapper,

edinburgh 12/11/2009 13:15:11
I would love to live there if he does not want it.
2

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 13:29:47
What an incredible bunch of holy willies! Is this really the most important thing tbey have to worry about in this day and age? Go get a life.
3

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12/11/2009 13:30:27
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4

digestive biscuits V,

12/11/2009 13:35:25
I bet there are christians everywhere who are so angry about this story, they'll be playing their Cliff Richard records REALLY LOUD!!
5

Tbed2,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 13:42:47
See they need bishops after all to prevent all this rebellion...he will just go and set up another church if not happy with the outcome, as is the history of reformed churches.
6

Skip McClendon,

12/11/2009 14:23:39
Don't you just hate it when your employeer gives you a free 8-room house to live in?
7

Watch Us Wreck The Mic, Psyche.,

12/11/2009 14:39:34
WWJD?
8

Kishefmakher,

NW11 12/11/2009 14:46:15
So is it God that sacks him?

It all sounds a bit Old Testament to me
9

Skip McClendon,

12/11/2009 14:53:55
#8

This missus better watch out - she might end up as a pillar of salt.
10

Skip McClendon,

12/11/2009 15:01:30
I just hope he hasn't got any official Church correspondence in that Blue-Box, or the Cooncil environmental wardens will have him bang to rights!
11

Grumpy,

12/11/2009 15:26:44
If it's the church, then they are supposed to support their fellow men. Let the minister live in his own house and donate the manse to the homeless.
12

Dood,

12/11/2009 15:49:56
#8

No. God will breathe fire and brimstone on him.

And rightly so.
13

jambobones,

12/11/2009 17:34:11
and this is a newsworthy story.
EEN at its best must have been another slow day
14

tumshie heid,

12/11/2009 19:01:25
What a bunch of numpties,did god order as one of the commandments "Thou shalt live in a tied house whether you want to or not"?
15

Tom Conway,

12/11/2009 20:49:32
Do they have the stations of the cross in the Manse?
16

is it me?,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 22:04:18
Dear Rev Munro,
Move into the big house for a wee while.

Then examine your " right to buy" status.

If successful, sell it for a million quid.

Then move to Mboko Boko Land, open your own Church and lie on the beach six days a week sooking coconuts.
17

is it me?,

Edinburgh 12/11/2009 22:08:44
ps
Don't forget my 10%. Render unto , etc.
18

Reasonable doubt,

Glasgow 13/11/2009 17:12:19
This has nothing to do with religion or the so-called moral constitution of the church and everything to do with politics. The gentleman is being made an example of by the Presbytery of Edinburgh and I personally find that distasteful. Ian Swanson might consider the family before making comments about Mrs Munro whom he belittles by suggesting this matter, for her, is simply a question of bourgeois taste. I suspect it is not.

 

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