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Published Date: 29 July 2008
THE next stage of the tram roadworks is likely to see Leith Walk completely closed to traffic in sections in a bid to speed up the works.
The temporary move – which would affect short sections of the busy road between junctions – has been put forward as a way of speeding up the track laying and overhead wires part of the £512 million project. That work is scheduled to get under way later this year.

Willie Gallagher, chairman of tram firm TIE, has asked his officials to assess the feasibility of diverting traffic on to Easter Road in an effort to minimise disruption to traders and residents. A similar tactic was used on Shandwick Place where a five-month total closure was put in place instead of a one-year partial closure.

Traders today gave the proposals a cautious welcome, adding "cast-iron guarantees" would to be needed that the work would be completed on time.

Gordon Burgess, chairman of the Leith Walk and Constitution Street Traders Association, said: "This is an idea worth considering but we would need really strong assurances that work would start and stop when they say it will, and that the gains they can make are worthwhile.

"People just want this over and done with but it needs to be managed properly."

A section of Leith Walk was earlier this month made one-way to allow engineers to divert utility services that cross the road rather than run along its length.

The two-week project saw all northbound vehicles diverted on to Easter Road.

It is thought traffic would be diverted on to Easter Road again if a partial closure programme for Leith Walk was adopted.

Nigel Duncan, vice-chairman of Edinburgh's Federation of Small Businesses, said: "We would give this a cautious welcome but would need cast-iron guarantees that it would be finished when they promise it will be."

The track and wires phase of the tram scheme will see work concentrated down the middle sections of Leith Walk, leaving the pavements clear.

Mr Gallaghersaid: "We are always keen to, where possible, get in and out of a site as quickly as possible.

"We don't have the information to hand on the precise productivity gains this idea for Leith Walk would bring, or indeed if it is practical. You wouldn't have the whole of Leith Walk from Elm Row all the way down to the bottom closed, but there may be certain sections where we can get in and get the work done quicker if there is uninterrupted access."

• CITY leaders have given tram firm TIE permission to carry out work at two city centre sites during the Festival embargo.

The work is scheduled to take place at St Paul's Church on York Place and in front of the steps to St Mary's Cathedral, just off the Picardy Place roundabout.

The eight-week project will involve no interruptions for either traffic or pedestrians.


The full article contains 501 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Skip McClendon,

29/07/2008 12:03:49
Oooh, are we getting trams? Hadn't noticed. They kept that one quiet.
2

Daft Old Git,

29/07/2008 12:07:37
What happens when they want to divert the trams? Festival Cavalcade, fireworks, a building collapse, a fire or even roadworks
3

Amenemhat,

29/07/2008 12:15:06
Oh, behind schedule already then?
4

capy,

embra 29/07/2008 12:21:34
As long as everything is nice for the tourists
5

Bob 2,

29/07/2008 12:21:44
"• CITY leaders have given tram firm TIE permission to carry out work at two city centre sites during the Festival embargo.

The work is scheduled to take place at St Paul's Church on York Place and in front of the steps to St Mary's Cathedral, just off the Picardy Place roundabout.

The eight-week project will involve no interruptions for either traffic or pedestrians"

Thought you'd heard it all, but this takes some beating, "No Interruptions For Either Traffic Or Pedestrians"..how are they going to achieve this on York Place.

Thankfully there isn't that many buses use York Place.
6

calum,

29/07/2008 12:27:23
I know that I am not in favour of this project because I do not believe it is needed and there are more important transport issues to spend the money on in Scotland. But the more I read, the more I think that measures are being made up "on the hoof." Everything seems to be a surprise to Willie Gallagher, as if its just been thought of.
More evidence, if it were needed, that the planning is poor and that the deep divisions within the experts in Traffic Management run deeper than the public or the EN realise.
7

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 12:29:57
Do I sense a wee bit of panic starting to creep in, since Gallagher and the rest of his snake-oil salesmen will be on a huge bonus for early completion? I hear a lot of politicians' backsides are going 'halfcrown-sixpence' should this albino heffalump not be running (after a fashion) come the next election. If the rest of the tramworks are to the quality of what's been done so far, There may Be Trouble Ahead!
8

alex paterson,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 12:30:31
Bit late for an April fool,getting trams here,Nah.
9

Jenny MacArthur,

29/07/2008 12:32:43
Evening News prods. Anti tram obsessives respond. It's just like Pavlov's dogs. Wheee!
10

calum,

29/07/2008 12:40:24
#10 Please ask the doctor for something stronger for your condition, the effect is wearing off. Geeeee.
11

Daft Old Git,

29/07/2008 12:40:30
#4
Ah thought about it....we get a bus instead
12

Angus Mcdonald,

EDINBURGH 29/07/2008 12:46:49
If these lazy workers working on this tram project worked day and night and not take breaks every 5 mins as well as half days on fridays,saturdays and sundays then this project would take less than half the time to do. Why don't we get foreigners to do this type of work!they will certainly be faster and work harder. The costs will be cheaper too!!
13

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 12:47:14
Excuse me, but what is meant by the word "tram"?
14

Daft Old Git,

29/07/2008 12:50:03
#13
Even better if we all worked night and day without a break we wouldn't need trams as we wouldn't need to go anywhere
15

The Judge,

29/07/2008 12:51:17
The eight-week project will involve no interruptions for either traffic or pedestrians.

Yet another lie from TIE.

"We don't have the information to hand on the precise productivity gains this idea for Leith Walk would bring, or indeed if it is practical".

In other words. "I don't have clue, but I might lose my bonus so we're trying everything just in case we get lucky and it works".

16

Bob 2,

29/07/2008 12:55:13
Evening News prods. Pro tram obsessives respond, just like Pavlov's dogs...... Slavering

Jenny where would you be without them?
17

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 29/07/2008 13:06:40
This tram project is just one big comedy of errors. It would appear that the detailed planning would have fitted onto the back of a fag packet.

#10 Jenny you do need to get out more if you beleive that the trams will be some eutopia for Edinburgh. People are correct to have a sceptical view of TIE and the trams cause on present form they have definetly not been accurate and open with what is actually going on. You can rest assured the idea to close of parts of Leith walk didnt just happen to be thought of yesterday or last week.
18

calum,

29/07/2008 13:09:03
#18 - .......which is more than can be said for someone who laughs at their own puerile jokes all the time.
19

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 13:10:42
I know that I am in favour of some things, and not in favour of others.
20

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:30:11
Edinburgh 100 (19). You think "the idea to close parts of Leith Walk didn't just happen to be thought of yesterday or last week". However, the decision to continue works throughout the festival period, together with the length of time already taken on and this latest attempt to speed it up, implies to me that TIE have misjudged the scale of the works required and are now attempting to claw back time. Apart from anything else, Mr Gallagher's bonus depends on it.

What would be more interesting is whether the cost of the diversions is going to be higher than estimated as this would leave the Council with an even bigger financial shortfall to meet.
21

Epicuras,

29/07/2008 13:32:02

#14 Hi Sellotape - tram is just the common name incorrectly used (see below from wiki) - in reality what we're getting is a trolley-car - as in "you're off yer trolley" ;-)

A tram, tramcar, trolley, trolley car, or streetcar is a railborne vehicle, of lighter weight and construction than a train, designed for the transport of passengers (and, very occasionally, freight) within, close to, or between villages, towns and/or cities, with their tracks primarily running on streets.

22

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 29/07/2008 13:35:10

#10

"Evening News prods" - some of them probably are, but there's likely to be a fair few catholics and the odd muslim too. And Gibbo's a zen buddhist, so it's a bit more ecumenical than you wrongly assume.

23

Bob 2,

29/07/2008 13:35:50
The work is scheduled to take place at St Paul's Church on York Place and in front of the steps to St Mary's Cathedral, just off the Picardy Place roundabout.

The eight-week project will involve no interruptions for either traffic or pedestrians.

"No Interruptions For Either Traffic Or Pedestrians"
...Well Now they are performing miracles, but given that they are working outside Places of Worship, maybe they are getting some Help from God.

They could need it given that they are clearly getting further behind schedule!

24

Deag,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:38:30
Speeding it up reduces the inconvenience for the businesses, we should not read too much into reasons for changes like this.

Any project will be learning from its previous actions as it went along it would be foolish to do otherwise. Most people on here would be the first to criticise it if it did not.
25

Ted & Janet Levecque,

Near Fergus, Ontario twinned with Blairgowie 29/07/2008 13:39:31
My wife remembers way back in 1954 they took up the Tram lines and put the Bus in instead, how stupid back then and now doing it all over again at a huge cost to the Edinburgh Rates in the long run eh!
We are not looking forward to coming home this year but have to for family matters! Not a dream vacation in any sense!
26

Arrow,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:41:09
now you know why TIE rhymes with Lie.
27

observer9,

Glasgow 29/07/2008 13:42:59
More deaths on the A9 at the weekend.

No money for that then, a road that really needs improving, a road that transports, goods, workers,families and tourist on a massive scale and s genuinely valuable over a collossal distance.

Yet this vanity project is out of control, spun beyond belief and will only serve a miniscule population in a narrow area.

Is this a public sector programme at all.?
28

Hoof Hearted,

Abbeyhill Tram Stop 29/07/2008 13:43:23
You have to accept that there are just so many unknowns in a project of this magnitude that it is likely to run both over budget and over programme.

It is a true fact of all civil engineering works.

Look at the Scottish Parliament. It cost more and took longer to construct than originally envisaged, but we have got a building to be proud of. The guys at TIE have worked hard to get us a tram system to be proud of. Why, oh why, do people knock it so much?
29

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29/07/2008 13:46:18
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30

Toast,

29/07/2008 13:46:29
Easter Road can barely cope with the volume of traffic it already has,what a joke TIE are,the good news is that I have found other shopping areas and will never have to visit this part of Edinburgh again.
31

Epicuras,

29/07/2008 13:47:28
#31 "Look at the Scottish Parliament. It cost more and took longer to construct than originally envisaged, but we have got a building to be proud of." - eh, have you ever been near/in it?
32

Daft Old Git,

29/07/2008 13:48:00
#31
A building to be proud of!!!!
33

Hoof Hearted,

29/07/2008 13:49:30
#28. Other than at two or three locations the tram works are having little effect on the city. Traffic is still flowing, people are still visiting, life is going on! Don't believe a half of what the brain-dead anti-tram brigade and the Evening News tells you.

This scaremongering helps no-one.
34

Hoof Hearted,

Portobello High Street Tram Stop 29/07/2008 13:50:35
#34. Yes - however you obviously haven't!
35

Old Cartha Boy,

29/07/2008 13:53:18
Having had the pleasure of picking my way through the wasteland that is Leith Walk this morning, I saw no sense of urgency by any of the "workers" - I'd say 6 out of 70 were actually doing something, the rest were hvaing a steak slice, on their mobiles or just generally scrathcing their baws. If Willie G, snake-oil salesman, wants to know how to speed this unwanted project up, he should get his ass down on an unnanounced visit to see what is going on.

But I'd bung a tenner to one of the workies to put Jenny MacArthur's body under the walk!
36

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:58:23
Sarah@23 - I'm sure we both know that the costs of tortuous diversions and repairs to completely unsuitable diversion routes like Melville Street, Easter Road and Gordon Street, far less opportunity costs to the wider public won't be appearing on any of TIE's carefully sanitised accounts, or even the Council ones. They'll just be 'lost in the system', added to the lengthening maintenance arrears to be picked up by the hapless taxpayer or property owner at some time in the future. I agree - all the signs are there to any roadworks professional that this socialist vanity project is coming off the rails in slow motion.
37

Seanobi Wan Kanobi,

Leith 29/07/2008 14:04:43
Starting a new 'Spot the tram workers working' competition. Answers on a post card to Willie Gallacher
38

James (1),

29/07/2008 14:07:53
Surely this was planned and not just something that needs done because the intial plans are now seen not to be working?
Falling behind schedule equates to "We need more money to complete the tram line".

Each side street from Leith Walk to Easter Road has speed bumps. Those were thought necessary because of the danger to the public from traffic. I assume there is no longer any danger to the public on these streets or is it we can afford to kill a few as long as the tram line goes ahead?

Once more the councils goal post moving department are at work.
39

E300,

29/07/2008 14:41:15
31 Hoof Hearted,
(1)"It is a true fact of all civil engineering works."
(2)"Look at the Scottish Parliament. It cost more and took longer to construct than originally envisaged, but we have got a building to be proud of. The guys at TIE have worked hard to get us a tram system to be proud of. Why, oh why, do people knock it so much?"
(1)Not true except of course for public works perhaps!
(2)Estimated at £20Mn to £40Mn actual cost £440,000,000! Poorly designed, dangerously badly constructed and an eyesore which has already required expensive repairs in addition to continuing expensive maintenance. Looks like a rambling, untidy farm steading.
40

tumshie heid,

29/07/2008 14:51:02
Hoof hearted, if you change your name to half hearted then that would describe how hard tie are working on this project.
Heaven help us if the trams come in as much over budget as the parliament!
41

Incandescent,

29/07/2008 15:44:31
#47 Scallywag

Actually, the final estimate before the project was handed over to the SPCB was made by building and planning professionals, based on studies of (then) current and recent projects of a similar size and use and factoring-in industry standard contingencies. #42 and, indeed, anyone else are quite correct to use this example.
42

Incandescent,

29/07/2008 15:46:13
"is" quite correct. Sorry.
43

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 15:51:54
Agreed, 48.

What is the point about complaining? If you complain, nothing ever gets done about it, so why do you bother? What is the point bla bla bla bla hogwiddle bla bla bla bla.
44

Euan,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:00:12
It just gets better and better...

What a complete and utter farce the whole tram project is.

Heads should roll - starting with you Willie Gallagher.
45

tomias,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:06:40
Market forces;see staue opposite council offices.
46

tomias,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:07:18
Statue-as in Smith.
47

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 29/07/2008 16:07:37

Will it be okay to eat on the trams? Like a baked potato or a fish supper?
48

Incandescent,

29/07/2008 16:23:02
#52 Mario

It obviously mattered enough for you to comment. Come to think of it, is that really the "genuine" you? I have my doubts, unless you're having an off day.
49

Observer 7,

29/07/2008 16:29:23
The sun is out, thetrams are nowhere to be seen, I think I 'LL go down to the garden, and relax for an hour or two.....
50

tumshie heid,

29/07/2008 16:32:03
#47 "moaning on here isn't going to change anything"
Sorry, is no one allowed to have a differing opinion than yours?
It is only moaning to you because you are pro trams.
51

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 16:38:17
58.

A full list of acceptable/unacceptable foodstuffs to consume on tram journeys can be found at www.eatingonatram.co.uk.
52

Capitalistic,

Edin 29/07/2008 17:04:27
I heard today from a bus driver that they have put in the wrong type of pipe in Shandwick Pl. I am hoping this is some warped clppies sense of homour as the outcome would mean that they have to close the road again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
53

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29/07/2008 17:17:17
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54

The Hallucinist,

29/07/2008 17:19:06
#55 What about Eric Sean?
55

The Hallucinist,

29/07/2008 17:19:23
#55 Euan What about Eric Sean?
56

MasterXX,

stuck in traffic 29/07/2008 17:40:58
£512 million project... 2008.
£1 billion by the time it's finished no doubt!
57

tumshie heid,

29/07/2008 17:59:39
Shut up Tony. Yawn yawn.
Just like the stereotypical old person going on about the war, you ramble on constantly about how every voter should listen to you.
58

eric-shaun,

Lothian 29/07/2008 18:04:40
66 67
What about me,Think you're hard.
Deal with the issue in hand.
59

Incandescent,

29/07/2008 18:12:33
#70 Tony

Shhhhh!
60

MasterXX,

still stuck in traffic 29/07/2008 18:31:05
The trams will be fantastic when complete ding ding''
61

Pond Hall,

29/07/2008 18:34:27
36 Hoof Hearted, do you work for TIE

because the reality is that re more than just two or three tramsworks.

Public Transport is grinding along slowly.

I've never seen so many, "PART ROUTE" and "Sorry Not In Service" signs on buses, with buses 20mins apart running together.

Anyway No36...the festival nearly upon us, so even more long journies to look forward too!!
62

MacKenzie,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 19:04:51
What they're really saying is 'we need to fence off more of the road so that our 'workers' can park their cars',
63

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 19:20:47
Scallywag (47) - I would not say that cost overruns always occur or are a "fact of life" and I certainly disagree that the public should just tolerate it.

What the evidence shows is that cost overruns on major infrastructure projects have been frequent and substantial and the UK Government's decision to take steps to curb promoters' tendencies to understate costs in the planning stages should, hopefully, lead to a more accurate picture of costs being obtained before decisions to proceed are taken. The UK Government, by taking this action, demonstrates that cost overruns are not acceptable and are not to be tolerated and I agree with that view. I would also assume that the UK government decided to tackle the problem in recognition of the public's displeasure over cost overruns and so that it could properly formulate sensible spending priorities and set budgets.

Speaking only for myself, the way in which politicians choose to spend our taxes is one of the most important considerations to me as a voter and I welcome attempts to ensure robust information so that sensible decisions can be made. Of course, this assumes that politicians will act according to robust information but my concern is that they often do not: they act according to what the party line says and they themselves often mislead the public and ignore the supporting factual information.

I would actually go further and suggest that, if the government genuinely wants to ensure that decisions are made solely based on robust information, then penalties should be introduced on the consultants, etc, whose information may later prove to have been incorrect. This could take the form of financial penalty or professional penalty (eg, disciplinary procedure) and, in the worst cases, criminal charges. After all, vast amounts of public funds are frequently expended on projects based on initial figures put forward by modellers, engineers, accountants, etc, but which later turn out to have been completely
64

Feral Youth who make Gorgie Tony's life hell!,

29/07/2008 19:21:08
GORGIE TONY IS REALLY WENDY ALEXANDER - HENCE THE BITTERNESS!!!
65

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 19:23:09
(cont'd) unreliable.

Accountability is important and people have every right to take action to ensure that it is achieved.
66

calum,

29/07/2008 19:37:41
#77/79 - Sarah B, you are absolutely right. Decisions are taken on multi-million pound contracts on the nod without politicians ever having read past the Executive Summary. The small print, penalty clauses, compenstation etc. etc. is utterly beyond most of them. And all that without any accountability whatsoever. These days, contractors have the very best contract lawyers who can run rings round our elected representatives whether in the Council or in Parliament and those who are in decision making positions have no idea about the consequences of their decisions.
This whole Tram Project will be burst wide open when the truth begins to seep out shortly and a number of the former Council Traffic experts who jumped ship and joined TIE have become little more than glorified tea-boys and message laddies. What then for the politicians who backed it? They have an option now but will they use it........?
67

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 23:00:54
calum (80) - My belief is that the pitfalls in this project were there at the start - long before contract lawyers were involved, but I agree with what you say about their superior expertise.

You ask "What then for the politicians who backed it?" I would guess that they would blame officials, who are unable to answer back and/or who are no longer involved with the project. Councillors have not asked the right questions - probably because they did not want to hear the answers which would then make them accountable!

To my knowledge, TIE managers have signed no reports - that has been left to Council officials most of whom are now gone. And so we return to the issue of accountability which, even at this stage, has never been properly established.
68

Euan,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 23:14:38
#77, Sarah B

You have hit the nail on the head, excellent post.

It is a crying shame that the sense you speak does not find itself flowing through local government.

Willie Gallagher, YOU are a marked man. You care NOTHING about the people you and your cronies are putting out of business, nor do you give two hoots about the untold damage you are inflicting on this City.

Shame on you - RESIGN NOW.
69

Euan,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 23:16:02
#77, Sarah B

You have hit the nail on the head, excellent post.

It is a crying shame that the sense you speak does not find itself flowing through local government.

Willie Gallagher, YOU are a marked man. You care NOTHING about the people you and your cronies are putting out of business, nor do you give two hoots about the untold damage you are inflicting on this City.

Shame on you - RESIGN NOW.
70

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29/07/2008 23:32:02
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 06:44:35
I said when this was pusjed through that this tramline could be Edinburghs 2nd disgrace. Shaping up that way.
72

radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 30/07/2008 09:09:31
Sounds good. There's too many heidcases driving on Leith Walk.

And hopefully yon cricket shop will go under. It should be illegal anyway. I think cricket is Gorgon Brown's idea to keep us 'British'.
73

Uri Devliegh,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:21:12
Trams are ugly
74

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 12:42:44
Gorgie_Tony.

My last vote didn't go to Labour because I was fed up with their lieing, two-faced, backstabbing, underhanded, tactics.
Spending this money on the A9 would have been an additional benefit to getting Liebour out of power.
75

Prettyboy Tiger,

EDINBURGH 30/07/2008 13:07:02
Why hasn't Edinburgh got an underground railway??

It would be more use than trams. More practical. A better use of money.

If the gov can afford half a billion for their new office - they can afford an underground railway.

Imagine London's streets without the underground - it would be the nightmare we currently face on a daily basis.

As a motorbiker - the streets of Edinburgh are a complete mess. I'd bet worst in the developed world. Between pot holes, crazy calming measures and huge speed bumps - Edinburgh roads are a disgrace. I'm sure they'd break Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boorman! :)

Council - sort yirsels out!!
76

Brian Hill,

30/07/2008 13:37:01
As the saying goes: ye cannae mak omlettes wi oot breakin eggs.

All this griping about a few roadworks for a few months at a time spread over a few years.

What do we expect from a major project like this?

A more adult approach would see us looking round the problem at the finished product instead of straight at it with girnin face like 2 year olds.

If we are going to be Independent....and we are....we have to adopt a more positive, adult, can do approach to life. Trust me it makes for a far happier life.

So media, no more captions of:

MISERY: The tram works have caused problems for many on Leith Walk

instead why not:

TRAM WORK FORGES AHEAD IN LEITH
Now less than 30 months before the big day
77

Axl,

Edinburgh 30/07/2008 17:10:55
#93

'we have to adopt a more positive, adult, can do approach to life. Trust me it makes for a far happier life.'

If what you said above was applied, there would be no ridiculous tram LINE being constructed and the deadly A9 would have received the upgrade it so desperately needs...

...and LIVES would be saved.



78

Ian down under,

Kawerau 01/08/2008 21:45:09
#92 Agree, at least put the tramway underground in the centre and use old rail lines where possible out of the centre, then use street running where there is no other option or road traffic is light. We really need a cross between the Tyne and Wear metro and Manchester Metrolink.
But at least the tramway is a start.
We still need a proper rail link to the airport and not the Salmond train/stairs/tram/stairs/bus option which seems to save about his annual petrol bill compared with EARL. Could he not have got his pal Trump to fund it..........it would not need to be electrified because it would go like the wind!
79

Neetz,

Leith 22/08/2008 16:24:20
Being a Melbourner I should know all about how long it takes to lay tram tracks... and trust me this is ridiculous! I am sick of watching 10 men look at a hole being dug outside my work and dealing with the torrent of banter that borders on sexual harrasment.

 

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