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Published Date: 17 March 2008
POLICE have been called to a city library 19 times in the last three months after the building became a target for teenage gangs.
Regular users of Muirhouse Library say they are being driven out by "intimidating" groups of youths, who are using the internet facilities under a new council scheme.

On one occasion, police were called to the library three times in one night when £3000 worth of damage was caused to the toilets. While officers were inside inspecting the damage, the police car was vandalised outside the library.

Local organisations who stage monthly meetings in the library have even been forced to lock the meeting room doors to stop aggressive youths bursting in.

Forth councillor Elaine Morris, who holds weekly surgeries in the library, said the situation had become unacceptable.

She said: "I think this has been building up over time. One evening I was there police were called three times and £3000 worth of damage was done in the toilets and a police car was damaged.

"It can be very hostile and I don't know if other libraries have the issues Muirhouse does.

"The staff have to be protected as well – the library should be used by everyone and just now it seems to be more of a youth drop-in centre.

"Because they can get access to the PCs, that is the attraction."

But Cllr Morris said she wouldn't be forced out of holding her surgery at the Pennywell Court library.

She said of a recent visit: "I was very concerned about the threatening atmosphere I found in there. It seems to me as if groups of youngsters have taken over and are behaving in an intimidating way. But I wouldn't move my surgery because it is very busy."

Jenny Marrow, chair of Muirhouse/Salvesen Community Council, who also sits on the Pennywell Regeneration Association, described the situation as "an outrage".

She said: "The staff are powerless to take any kind of drastic action and a few of the youngsters are quite frankly out of control.

"It's not even just at night, during the day there are some running riot and the situation is an outrage and a total nightmare.

"The CCTV cameras make no difference. There's nothing else open at night other than the chip shop, which makes the library the centre of attention.

"When we have the meetings, the doors have to be locked or they would just come bursting in, it's bad enough that they scream and bang the windows."

A police spokesman said: "There have been 19 call-outs to Muirhouse Library (in the last three months), all relating to youth disorder within the building."

A spokesman for the city council said the groundbreaking Libraries4YOUth project had been a successful way of engaging with young people.

He added: "Where there has been inappropriate behaviour we have taken measures to tackle it working with community police.

"Muirhouse Library is highly regarded locally and we will ensure that it continues to provide a valuable service to everyone in a safe, pleasant environment."

Lothian & Borders Police website
Edinburgh City Council website



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  • Last Updated: 17 March 2008 12:49 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

THE BPRENTICE,

17/03/2008 12:12:51
Had my car broken into once - the only things not taken were the books - I then realised they were like kryptonite to the losers that had resorted to smashing and grabbing out of cars to feed their habits.

Ironically these neds are causing hassle right next to the mecca for their fears - BOOKS!!! The Librarians should just walk outside and start reading some Silas Marner to them ... that would get them running away at Benny hill speed...without the music.
2

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17/03/2008 12:17:08
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The Barred O' Leith,

17/03/2008 12:30:28
2. That's a bigoted comment and quite frankly is just slightly better than the youngsters involved.
If what you describe was carried out like for like and Glasgow sent all their hoodlums to Edinburgh, you'd be snowed under as Glasgow is 3 times larger than edinburgh.
4

c mains hibby,

edinburgh 17/03/2008 12:36:10
On the spot birching with a minimum of 20 lashes, if they reoffend another 20 and so on until it gets into their thick little skulls
5

Fifi la Bonbon,

17/03/2008 12:39:43
You heartless people are being very harsh. All these young people are needing is more facilities. It's the lack of facilities that's causing this. If only there were more facilities.

Then they wouldn't smash up the facilities.
6

MandZ,

Edinburgh, Muirhouse 17/03/2008 12:46:28
I am shocked about this story, The library staff down in Muirhouse need a medal.

I use this library on a reg basis and have noticed how all the Drug users and Drunks leave their kids in the library to be looked after the staff while they do what they have to do in the shopping centre.

Its no wonder the kids are acting the way they act if they see all adults treating the place like a free creche.

But i would also like to say not avenyone in Muirhouse is like this and yes we do deserve to have a lovely library and no we should not all be shipped to glasgow and flattened.

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leith keely,

edinburgh 17/03/2008 12:48:30
#3 glasgow 3 times larger than edinburgh? i don`t think so my friend, about 50 years ago just maybe but glasgow`s population has shrunk dramatically in the last 50 years or so and now stands at around 650,000 with edinburgh just under 500,000. by the way i can`t stand do-gooding know alls like you, get the birch out and sort these neds out or better still get them into forced labour because thats the only way we`ll get any use out of their non-productive lives.
8

Shetland Dave,

edinburgh 17/03/2008 12:54:32
Corporal punishment is the answer.#2 why Glasgow?.
9

dig dig,

17/03/2008 12:54:54
#5 Why give them anymore facilities when they cant look after what they have the only other facilitie they need is a 6x4 cell and a diet of bread and water
10

Hibernia,

17/03/2008 12:58:06
I agree the kids need somewhere to go of an evening etc but there are some really irresponsible kids that ruin for others and unless they are properly dealt with they will keep getting away with it
11

THE BPRENTICE,

17/03/2008 13:09:09
8 Shetland Dave, corporal punishment is the answer - you wouldn't have this kind of stuff going down in Singapore - but it would have to be blatantly caught bang-to-rights offensives.
12

Tukhachevsky,

Reading Room 17/03/2008 13:11:23
I used to work in that Library and the comment regarding it being a dumping ground for kids is spot on. That said, it isn't those kids fault and it is merely a reflection of the social and economic poverty that exists in these areas.

Kids out of control though and they need sorting out. Short sharp shock? or does that just brutalise it?
13

allknowing,

17/03/2008 13:18:52
soryy weedgies, just the first place that came to mind.

In fact, ship them anywhere, as long as they cant be seen or heard. That way they can kill each other and we dont have to know about it!
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17/03/2008 13:46:05
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The Judge,

17/03/2008 13:48:04
#13 Did you ever call the police or social work department about junkies dumping their kids in the library when they went off to get their next fix?

I suspect it was easier to do nothing and grumble amongst yourselfs.


On one occasion, police were called to the library three times in one night when £3000 worth of damage was caused to the toilets. While officers were inside inspecting the damage, the police car was vandalised outside the library.

Sums up the scums attitude perfectly, they know they're untouchable so a police car is just another target. if the law was changed so the feral brats parents were handed a £3000 bill things might change for the better but its never going to happen because the liberal elite that run this country are never in the firing line.

16

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 17/03/2008 13:48:52
#3 Agree completely.
17

whoreally cares,

17/03/2008 13:50:24
well done number 5, what they need is more facilities, higher payouts on the giro and even more benefits while the tax payer pays for the extra facilties that they are intent on destroying cause "theyre bored"
18

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 17/03/2008 13:50:26
Irresponsible children generally grow up to be like their parents.........irresponsible adults!
They will have more irresponsible children and so on and on it goes. I can't offer any solution that doesn't involve turning the clock back to the days before state benefits were the norm and teachers had a big leather tawse in their desks. Too many do gooders nowadays to allow that to happen so we'll end up once more with a society similar to Victorian days when the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
19

whoreally cares,

17/03/2008 14:05:12
21, perhaps you best ask the families/relatives of those 6 million that were executed as a direct result of his beliefs
20

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 14:05:35
"A spokesman for the city council said the groundbreaking Libraries4YOUth project had been a successful way of engaging with young people."

Obviously the spokesman hadn't or perhaps didn't want to know about the troubles at Muirhouse.

"There's nothing else open at night other than the chip shop, which makes the library the centre of attention."

Well small wonder, opening anything to 'amuse' or perhaps attempt to 'educate' these morons will only result in the service being attacked by the types of 'native' referred to in this article.

Time to round up these scum and to maroon them and the human dregs who are so often their 'parents' on some remote island. These cretans have no place in our society.

21

The Phantommmmm,

17/03/2008 14:15:24
Send them all to bible class.
22

whoreally cares,

17/03/2008 14:23:44
i feel the blame lies at the feet of one person, not the parents, the government or the teachers, its all jeremy kyles fault, hes told them if you have 4 kids by the time your 19, no job and have slept with your mums, sisters, brothers, dad he will give you 2 nights bed and breakfast in the holiday inn express manchester and 20 minutes on tv to make you "famous"
23

jjkiller,

17/03/2008 14:23:53
I grew up on a scheme and never felt the need to destroy everything, we used to just play football every night when bored.Hit these scum where it hurts, stop dole cheques, punish the parents by stopping benefits to pay for any damages, I'm sure most of this country if polled would welcome capital punishment and death sentences, too many people are just laughing at there sentances.
24

Nellie,

Liverpool 17/03/2008 14:30:14
# Needing more facilities? Poppycock! When you were younger did you have all the facilties kids have now? If you were like me the answer would be a most definite "No!" Yeah, I know you've heard it all before - "Not like that in my day ..." but so often that is TRUE! When I was a boy we DIDN'T even have youth clubs, or we we did, they were occupied by thugs who wrecked the place and bullied out anyone with any sense of responsibility. So - yeah, I know you've heard this beforem, too - we made up our own entertainment, which wasn't intimidating people, smashing up windows, not vandalising gardens nor stealing cars,. We used our IMAGINATIONS to INVENT our games and entertainment. We found places to play and explore without hurting anyone. Are these yobs so devoid of intelligence or imagination that they are incapable of doing anything for themselves, that they ars such babies they need some adult to spoon feed them "facilities" for their entertainment???
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Chris,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 14:32:10
I thought libraries were supposed to be 'quiet' places. Now we have youths playing games on the computers - and that is anything but quiet! The language, at full blast, leaves a lot to be desired as well. Muirhouse library? No, Moredun.
26

senza nome,

17/03/2008 14:37:49
21.Fresian: No danger of anyone mistaking you for a bleeding-hearted liberal, is there? "Hitler wasn't all wrong" Er, yes he was.
27

The Phantommmmm,

17/03/2008 14:42:06
Education is a priviledge.
28

Mr Meadowbank,

@home 17/03/2008 14:46:49
Great artwork in the pic :)
29

The Phantommmmm,

17/03/2008 14:54:03
Why a capital W please?
30

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17/03/2008 14:55:32
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Delboy,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 15:04:42
Hang them!
32

Logie Almond,

17/03/2008 15:31:02
The basic problem is that Lothian and Borders police are unwilling or unable to maintain public order in large areas of the city.
33

Teofilio Cubillas,

17/03/2008 15:50:29
#39 Logie Almond

The main problem is that when they do (enforce public order), nothing happens to those they put before the court. What used to be termed juvenile delinquency is now watered down to become 'inappropriate behaviour' and other such weasel terms. Public money is being poured into these areas for no discernable benefit. Forty years of failed social policy has left us with a sizeable minority of benefit scrounging, 'disability' claiming wasters who will never work or contribute anything to our society.


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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 15:52:36
This problem could very easily be resolved by having security on the doors(what's left of them).
But senior library management don't want that, as that would be "social exclusion" of the poor wee dears(that means they would be deterred from going in and wrecking the place).They also say that it would cause confrontation(as if it doesn't happen already).
Oh, and they don't work there either or you can be sure that there would be i.e.Waverly Court.

As another poster said it isn't just Muirhouse library that has a problem, Craigmillar and Sighthill are the main ones, but most libraries have youth problems of varying degrees.
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17/03/2008 15:54:39
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tomias,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 17:00:31
Pain is a deterent- removing one then two then htree finger nails if they are brave enough;but then that is not how we do things- lets all gather down at the site and burn it down
37

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 17:01:02
#46 Gorgie_Tony

"we have an ineffective police force that is reluctant to earn their wages"

Sorry Tony, while not the greatest supporter of the police, I can't agree with that.

Firstly, the truth of the matter is that many of these retards are under the age at which the police can do much about them other than to refer them to the Children's Reporter/Panel (a body of questionable value in my view).

Secondly, police manpower is just not enough to effectively control the youth problems in and around Edinburgh.

Thirdly, these parasites have no fear of the police (or anyone else for that matter) as nothing is ever done to discipline these neds/nedettes.

I feel that we should introduce some sort of second level of policing or a malitia which would work under the control of the police and which would provide sufficient manpower (and muscle when necessary) to essentially outnumber the ne'er-do-wells in all the well known trouble spots. This force would have the task of leaning very heavily on troublemakers in these areas and would arrest and charge them as required.

The courts would also need to harder on law-breakers and the current Childrens Panel should be disbanded. The law regarding the handling of juvenile offenders would have to modified to more effectively cope with the problems and corporal punishment for crimes of violence should not be ruled out and should be applied to male/female offenders alike.


It can only be very demoralising for policemen & women to see a lot of these scumbags walk free after their efforts to bring them to justice.


38

calum,

17/03/2008 17:08:01
Naw, the police are too busy being tied up on the phone with greetin' faced Tony in Gorgie!!
39

Librarian,

Florida 17/03/2008 17:23:33
Unfortunately this is common in public libraries these days. Last summer a youth started a fire in the men's restroom at my library, forcing the evacuation of the library staff and patrons and causing considerable damage.

Ultimately it is a lack of discipline that causes this type of behavior. When I was young, my parents expected me and my brothers and sister to behave accordingly and there was punishment meted out if we didn't.
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Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 17/03/2008 17:30:09
In my local Scotmid the other night a group of kids, no older than 12, were causing trouble in the shop. The manager told the security guard that he was not to touch any of them (probably through fear of getting charged with assault or sued), and the little brats loved this.
Untouchables !!
41

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 17/03/2008 17:33:33
AND, the worst thing is that in the Budget they announced a huge amount of OUR taxes to 'help end child poverty' - in other words give even MORE money to these benefit scrounging parents with kids they can't control.
The end of the world is neigh !
42

Robin Bankes,

Culross 17/03/2008 17:46:17
~7 leith keely
#3 glasgow 3 times larger than edinburgh? i don`t think so my friend,

You are,of course, correct. At the last census, Edinburgh had a surface area 50.3% greater than that of Glasgow whilst Glasgow's population was 28.8% greater that that of Edinburgh. My understanding is the the relative population gap has narrowed since the 2001 Census.
43

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 17/03/2008 17:53:15
#53 Road Raga
AND, the worst thing is that in the Budget they announced a huge amount of OUR taxes to 'help end child poverty'

Agreed - yet another piece of soft-soaping from the government. Until the intellectual povery is solved then financial povery will remain. It now seems to be a badge of honour among many youngsters to be 'thik as minse'. Under those circumstances I have no sympathy whatsoever with their plight.
44

Black Five,

edinburgh 17/03/2008 18:03:05
Again another appalling story.The people are sick of this .The answer is for all to see but the politicians of this country have failed us.We need politicians who will have the courage to return the death penalty and corporal punishment.This behavior never was as bad as this before 1966.The underclass are out of control and time they were dealt with .Decent law abiding citizens demand and derserve it.
45

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 17/03/2008 18:16:26
#55 a mate of mine has a theory that sucessive govenments have encouraged people not to work, be reliant on benefits etc. I thought he was mad, but when you see what is going on around you, maybe he was right.
Work, pay taxes, get a mortgage etc = MUG

Don't work, get every free benefit under the sun, free Council house = MORE REWARDS
46

Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 18:24:08
57
Yes.England winning the World Cup meant the end of civilised life.
47

piper,

17/03/2008 19:19:53
If they have cctv cameras print still photographs and publish them in the local paper see what the so called parents of the little gets do anything about it put their pictures on a wall of shame at the local schools
48

piper,

17/03/2008 19:22:22
Spray the little b*******with luminous paint that takes weeks to wash off im sure that would keep them of the streets for a while
49

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

17/03/2008 19:54:07
50) I would agree with that only if enforced parenting training did not have the desired effect.
Basically a regime as follows
First offence Parents must attend parenting classes
Second offence Fine the parents with more enforced training
Third offence Take the kids off the parents and retrain them in a secure establishment until they are reformed charachters, however long it takes.
Fourth offence put the recidivist little neds in the stocks for public ridicule.
Any further offences place them in a secure establishment for the criminally insane because for sure they will be beyond all help.
But never reduce ourselves to their level by using violence against them, it may be the language they speak, but we need them to learn ours not perpetuate theirs.
50

Finbarr Saunders,

17/03/2008 20:47:58
Close the library.

Free book lending is an anachronism in this day and age.



51

AuldReekie,

edinburgh 17/03/2008 21:07:25
#65

"Close the library"

That's not a bad idea.

I would also go further and re-introduce the old mobile library service van.
In the 60's (before any library building), it used to visit Pilton (beside the Pennywell Road) and it was books only, so only those interested in reading visited it.
If there were to be any shenanigans with the local scum, then all they need to do is pack up and drive off.

Problem solved
52

Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 21:08:21
65
Muirhouse Library hasn't to deal with that "book lending" thing much.
Before five a free creche with internet access. After five a teen gang hut with internet access.
53

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

17/03/2008 21:14:20
50) I would agree with that only if enforced parenting training did not have the desired effect.
Basically a regime as follows
First offence Parents must attend parenting classes
Second offence Fine the parents with more enforced training
Third offence Take the kids off the parents and retrain them in a secure establishment until they are reformed charachters, however long it takes.
Fourth offence put the recidivist little neds in the stocks for public ridicule.
Any further offences place them in a secure establishment for the criminally insane because for sure they will be beyond all help.
But never reduce ourselves to their level by using violence against them, it may be the language they speak, but we need them to learn ours not perpetuate theirs.
54

fmuldar,

New Jersey, USA 17/03/2008 21:16:50
The solution is so simple I am surprised no one has thought of it.
Do what local libraries do here---keep the front doors locked!---only people with valid library cards get get in--like the machines they use at banks. It can be programed not too let anyone under 18 into the library at all on school days after a certain time say 5PM.
Do not allow YOBS (teenagers) in on weekdays after school or on weekends unless they are accompanied by an "Adult" (someone over 21). And put a sign on the door stating that---I remember when I lived in Edinburgh, local shops had signs on the front doors "Only 2 Teens allowed at a time" because of all the "Shoplifting" that went on. There should also be a Police Officer assigned too the libraries that have the most problems too keep the "Riftraff" out.
And lastly---the computers should only be allowed use for a period of time, say 30mins, & then You have too give it up.
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Thistledhu,

Fife 17/03/2008 21:17:48
Where is the union? why arent they insisting that the council provide a safe and secure work place for there members ?
it might not suit the cuddly image out of touch management want to display but there is no doubt a security presence would improve things.

if the council fail to provide a safe and secure work place THEY ARE COMMITING AN OFFENCE.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 21:23:00
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Then wait for the social exclusion mob.
One charming young man barred from another library for various threats of violence to staff and others, got back in after his social worker complained,(to senior management of course) that as he was excluded from school, he needed somewhere to "study"...
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 21:32:06
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Whenever I talked about the teen problem in libraries to most people they laughed."A library couldn't you just shh them?"
It han't percolated through yet that there is a real problem.
When we phone the police they never turn up.
If we used force, we would be charged.
59

Thistledhu,

Fife 17/03/2008 21:41:27
Conan the Librarian i understand your fustration
have you asked your union to intervene?

re the force who told you would be charged if you used force ?

the law allows you to use force to protect yourself and prevent a crime as long as it is reasonable in the circumstances.

But you shoudent have to the city has a multitude of security firms capable of tackling the problem.
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Rez,

Glasgow 17/03/2008 21:43:34
Yup, a system whereby you need to sign into the library would be good, I've seen it work in a college/university environment so why not?

Because in housing estates there are only a limited amount of lights on at night. There's the chippy, mebbe the polis station if you're lucky enough to have one which is staffed; there's the local dealer's house, and the pub.

This is enforced "pre-institutionaisation" (c) Rez Guthrie if you must quote me (I claim iltellectual rights on the phrase, as I aim to use it in a thesis.)

Nobody respects the police, nobody wants to join the police - and why? Because only the young have rights these days and the media is stirring them up into a revolution of chaos, whereby they are fully aware that a mob has no individual responsibility.

And where is the education, the inspiration for our disenfranchised youth? Most of the people we are talking about will never even own a computer, let alone be literate to respond to all this "pikey bashing" from us lot. People beg outside my local public library - I doubt that some of them maintain enough rationality to know it is a free service.

Aspiration these days is a boob job -literally.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 21:54:02
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The kids that we have to deal with have no fear of authority at all.
They are in a dog eat dog peer group where the loudest and most agressive rise to the top.
The council says no physical contact, so no grabbing by the scruff of the neck and turfing out.
That of course in that area would mean older members of the family coming down to "sort us out".
And the Union...
They say that one of us has to have a real case and prosecute it.
The Management would not like this, so that person would be very much out on a limb.
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Plantagenet,

17/03/2008 21:54:58
The anti-social element in our society know they can behave as badly as they have a mind to in the full knowledge that little or nothing is going to happen to them. There will always be a hooligan element in society, the difference is that years ago there was a price to pay for stepping out of line. The murderer risked hanging, therefore there was a risk, a big risk in carrying a weapon. At the other end of the scale, the out of control youngster had his father to fear and the thought of a leather belt taking the skin of his backside. Nowadays, if you clipped your teenage son around the ear in public some dopey, pc tw@t will want to have you arrested.
63

Bunty Bookend,

EDINBURGH 17/03/2008 23:10:33
When are the decision-makers going to realise that they are creating social-exclusion in libraries such as Craigmillar, Moredun, Muirhouse and Sighthill by pandering to the whims of these out-of-control youngsters who are being rewarded with all all kinds of up-to-date noisy computer games, whilst genuine library users who want to (God forbid) go in to borrow books, read newspapers and magazines or use the computers are being prevented from doing so by the anti-social behaviour of these louts. An acceptable level of noise is to be expected in community libraries but they should also be places where all age groups are made welcome. Everyone should be able to use the facilities without feeling threatened or stressed. Library staff are employed to work in libraries. They are not trained as play leaders, community workers or social workers, neither are they bouncers or childminders.
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Richardinho,

17/03/2008 23:10:56
Sucks that you can't even get peace in the library anymore.
Never liked it when they brought the computers in.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 17/03/2008 23:21:24
#77 Bring back Hanging

#21 Sometimes I wonder if this country would have been a better place under Hitler

#4 On the spot birching

#25 forced sterilisation

I wonder when it will be suggested that the poor (and asylum seekers and gays no doubt!) should be burnt in big black ovens because that is where this discussion is going! Since when did this site became a refuge for Neo Nazis? A few daft laddies causing trouble in a public library does not mean that we Scots will welcome the National Front or any of their various nasty manifestations.

Sort this garbage out Scotsman, your anti Scottish editorials are bad enough but allowing this racist filth to be sprayed over your site is a step too far.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 23:22:48
Evening Bunty:-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/03/2008 23:30:14
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Are you trying to make the valid posts, by people who know what they are talking about in to some sort of class war?
A few daft laddies?
Sigh. If only.
It's the lassies that give me most qualms.
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/03/2008 01:59:09
YOU CAUSED THIS HELL YOU FIX THIS HELL BEFORE ITS TO LATE JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM EDINBURGH TODAY MY LONG TIME PAL HAD HIS CAR STOLEN SUNDAY WHAT HAPPEND TO OUR COUNTRY
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Totally,

edinburgh 18/03/2008 04:55:55
I was born and brought up in Muirhouse/pennywell, I went to Craigroyston High school. Muirhouse had a bad name then. Everyone use to speak about the Gunner pub on the corner and not to go out at night. I lived in Muirhouse Avenue. OK a few years ago not ALL people who live in this AREA are crazy. As a teenager going to school I use to hang around Pilton because that is where my friends lived. It had a name YES but in all the years I spent walking home from my friends in PILTON CIRCLE I never had a problem. But now the Libary for Gods Sake. Maybe they should go INTO the LIBARY and read some books and they would not end up so totally INGNORANT My God there were some crazies when I was at school, but never bothered other people only other bullies. These PEOPLE if we can call them that have serious issues and should maybe spend a few weeks in BOOT CAMP or I know if they are so keen to hurt people send them to IRAC le them kill the people who are murdering our soldiers and causing terrorism world wide let us see how WIDE and TOUGH thye really are faced with MAD MEN
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paulr,

edinburgh 18/03/2008 08:35:34
#39
dont blame the police, their hands are tied by the bleeding heart liberal goodytwoshoes brigade and the moral minority who tell us that these kids are misunderstood and if they are stabbing you with a broken bottle then it's your fault and you should talk to them and find out why they are so aggressive. Maybe someone watered down their methadone today?
71

Bunty Bookend,

EDINBURGH 18/03/2008 08:55:47
80

Have you been in the aforementioned establishments recently Joe? If you have, I defy you to say it was a pleasant experience. It's anything but a few daft wee laddies causing the problems.
72

jdships,

18/03/2008 10:04:00
52 Road Raga,EDINBURGH

A local Asian shopkeeper caught a young shoplifter and marched him down the store with his arm up his back.
When the police arrived the boy complained and the police then warned the shopkeeper "as to his behaviour"

A "nanny state " ? You better believe it !!

What's wrong in making those who cause damage, scrall graffitti etc ., assist in repairing the damage / cleaning the mess ?.

Just like "hard labour" years ago.
73

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 10:23:59
#80 Joe M

"allowing this racist filth to be sprayed over your site is a step too far."

Joe, what racist filth? Merely a product of your imagination I'm afraid, sorry, but your comments are both flawed and incorrect.

Some of the views expressed are perhaps a wee bit extreme (certainly those of any Hilter supporter). However, people in this town are absolutely scunnered by the behaviour of a increasing number of youngsters, who, let's not mince words, come from council housing schemes (these scum must be making life very grim for the decent inhabitants of these areas).

The authorities will take no meaningfull action other than to waste more of our hard-earned cash on these wasters of the planet's oxygen.

While I would prefer to see the police re-inforced by more officers or perhaps by some kind of local malitia, I can only make the observation that I am both surprised and perhaps just a little grateful that vigilante movements have not sprung up - the situation is really getting that bad.

74

Librarian,

Florida 18/03/2008 12:47:04
As a librarian myself I understand the reluctance to limit public access. It is the library's mission to provide free and easy access to information to all people. However, those who hinder the access of others, through intimidation, force, overbearing smell, etc. can be barred from the library. I have signed several "no trespass warrants" myself during the past year. It is not something I enjoy doing, but it is unfortunately something I am forced to do more and more often.
75

Chenamoose,

Camp Hill 18/03/2008 17:23:10
This is what happens when anyone would ever hire a person who would use a phrase like "social exclusion".

The only people who are being excluded now are people wanting to use the library for its intended purpose.

Time to look at the people you elected who hired such people.
76

the navman,

edinburgh 25/03/2008 22:48:11
Had many a bad experience at muirhouse library ,the thugs rule comes to mind bring back security. the man they had died and was never replaced .more cost cutting by the council and now situation is out of control.save the staff and public from these thugs

 

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