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Edinburgh trams: Signs say 'open for business' but who's going to see them?

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Published Date: 11 April 2008
BUSINESS leaders have slammed trams chiefs for putting up signs telling people they are still open – on a street that has been closed.
Firms in Constitution Street, Leith, claim trade has plummeted since major roadworks began to make way for the trams.


They say the "open for business" signs provided by trams firm TIE are inadequate because they are mainly on the closed-off street, rather than the approaches to it.

Graham Russell, chairman of the Federation of Small Businesses Edinburgh branch, said: "It is beyond belief that they have put these 'open for business' signs on the street itself.

"They are tiny, flimsy yellow things anyway – we need something a lot more substantial at either end of the street which screams out there are businesses down there.

"It is not as if these works are a surprise. Why couldn't we have something in place for the start of work at the end of last month?" Just one yellow 1ft square sign, declaring "Constitution Street – all shops open for business", is at the Foot of the Walk end of the street, while there are no signs at the Queen Charlotte Street entrance to it.

A number of white signs bearing a picture of a tram and the open for business message are dotted along the rest of the street. Sara Morgan (pictured above), manager of Carolyn Designer Florist, has spent the last ten days reassuring customers that her Constitution Street shop is still open for business. She said: "The sign is not really any help at all. We need a big banner at both ends of the street which tells people we are all still here. We have seen a real drop in business over the last ten days. The TIE people on the ground have been quite helpful but we are still getting people ringing up and asking if we are still open."

The city's open for business campaign to promote Edinburgh during the disruption caused by the tram-building work has an annual budget of £100,000 a year.

Among the initiatives being considered is "Month of Sundays", a programme of cultural events, food markets and other events to take place on Sundays.

Mike Connelly, stakeholder manager with TIE, said: "TIE is working hard with the businesses of Constitution Street to ensure the signage on the street meets their requirements.

"Clearly, some positions benefit some more than others and our frontline teams are striving to achieve the appropriate balance.

"TIE believes that it has to strike a balance in as much as the local businesses know their own business better than it does."

The Constitution Street phase of work got under way on March 31 and the street is being closed in sections to minimise inconvenience. Although it is expected to re-open later this year, the longer term the plan is for it to be only used by trams and buses.

Workers dig up human skull

TRAM workers on Constitution Street have found a skull and other human remains dating back at least 200 years.

The discovery was made next to South Leith Parish Church, which used to extend over what is now Constitution Street. It is thought the remains either came from an old grave or belong to someone who was buried just outside the church – a common practice for sailors at the time.

Tests on the remains are currently being carried out.

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1

Epicuras,

11/04/2008 12:06:15
business might be bad, but traffic is in absolute chaos - lets hope they don't go ahead with plans toclose constitution street to traffic permanently, for these stupid, unwanted trams, or any of the proposed benefits will be completely lost. maybe it's time to look again at the route and move it somewhere where it won't add to edinburgh's traffic problems - shouldn't cost more than a couple of hundred million of tax-payers money to re-draw the route, so not a problem at all (and a fresh batch of brown envelpoes for the councillors)
2

Bob 2,

11/04/2008 12:31:00
like the old carry on films

TIEs production could be called "Carry on Regardless"

broken promises....there attitude seem to be tough is a business goes bust.

and what happens when cars/buses/trams can't/don't stop on some of these streets and whizz past .........going going gone
3

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 12:35:44
TIE, Not the brightest shilling in the purse !
4

Trams shams,

11/04/2008 12:54:56
"TRAM workers on Constitution Street have found a skull and other human remains dating back at least 200 years."

Ai... says it all. Several comments to this but I'll not out them in as they will be removed!

5

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

11/04/2008 13:18:32
Why is it "signage"? Why can't it just be "signs"?
6

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 13:27:50
"They are tiny, flimsy yellow things anyway..."


They look a bit large and white to me.

Anyway, I've seen them. Bit far to come from London for a bit of shopping in Leith mind.
7

Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/04/2008 13:29:09
Did you know that "gotten" is actually old English, and not a vulgar Americanism as one might think?

More as it comes in...
8

jek jek,

edinburgh 11/04/2008 13:29:18

At Shandwick place there is lots of empty road space in between the digging, wouldn't it be nice if the local bars and restaurants were able to put tables and chairs out there in the evenings. Could be quite festive.
9

paul the binman,

11/04/2008 13:30:25
Oh if only people in Edinburgh had some other way of getting around instead of their cars.Could it not be possable to introduce some form of public transport in the form of a bus service.Or would it require a form of surgary to remove the car from around the people who spend all their time moaning.As a pedestrian I was aware that the shops were all still open.
10

S'me,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 13:58:46
Will we ever stop moaning, its investment, short term pain for long term gain...
11

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11/04/2008 14:08:03
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11/04/2008 14:23:14
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R Corbett,

robert corbett (edinburgh) 11/04/2008 14:34:05

the wifey in the picture looks like she was miserable regardless of the trams
14

Iain fae Elgin,

11/04/2008 14:47:22
"...wouldn't it be nice if the local bars and restaurants were able to put tables and chairs out there in the evenings..."


Ha...only in the UK would we think it nice to sit in the middle of a building site for an after work pint/coffee.
15

Dragonlord,

11/04/2008 15:21:48
21# They are not trapped in their station. They are all in the doughnut shop.
16

Baroness Fortitude III,

11/04/2008 15:24:57
ooooh are we getting trams?
17

jdships,

11/04/2008 15:34:40
13 S'me,Edinburgh

Will we ever stop moaning, its investment, short term pain for long term gain...

Gain for whom ?
The 6% of Edinburgh citisens who are going to benefit ?
Interestingly I have at last met someone who feel the trams will help !
Actually two ?
Both from Carrick Knowe ,living close to the railway staion , think they might use the tram instaed of the bus.

Never mind . The tourists will use it and TIE will publish figures inflated by visitors/tourists to publicise its succes and justify the expense .
Another Holyrood in the making

Ah michty me !! We who live in the "Holey City" are awfy easy conned - methinks
18

filthy,

11/04/2008 15:59:54
#18 stop eating Sellotape you might feel better..
19

Hmm ...,

11/04/2008 16:26:21
Scallywag (28) said "Maybe by next week you will have it down to one man and his dog and the tourists."

Are dogs to be allowed on the trams? Or is it a guide dog?
20

Ardee,

Edinburgh 11/04/2008 17:14:16
I live on Constitution Street and with the amount of people walking past in the street you would think the "passing trade" would be a lot busier considering the only side open to walk on actually passes her flower shop.
21

jdships,

11/04/2008 17:44:04
26 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

So pleased you have learned the lesson and stopped "defending the indefensible"
Well done !!
22

jdships,

11/04/2008 17:53:32
28 Scallywag,Edinburgh
Apologies about referring to Carrick Knowe railway station - there was one for many years and it was common practice to refer to people living "near CK railway station.


Re the figures .
Don't understand the point you are trying to make
You quoted 50000 from a thread poster which I agreed would be fine if that was indeed the figure.
The figure of 8% which I have always quoted was given to me, albeit unofficially , by employees of TIE and the Council

Suggest you read posts more closely before taking issue
23

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 11/04/2008 18:28:16
Never trust TIE. They are bunch of liars.
24

me150,

11/04/2008 23:30:52
Shut up yer moaning!!!!

The traders should just take a holiday. If they haven't forward planned for this then I'm sorry but where is their business sense. Anyway it'll be a different story once the fantastic trams are up n running.
25

Cassandra,

12/04/2008 00:56:17
"They say the "open for business" signs provided by trams firm TIE are inadequate because they are mainly on the closed-off street, rather than the approaches to it."
Nothing new there,, then. Whenever the park's closed, you don't find out until you're committed to driving down Holyrood Road.
26

Lisa from Steps,

12/04/2008 01:11:54
#1 What traffic chaos is this? I think things are actually moving well. bring on the trams.
27

Goat Boy,

12/04/2008 14:08:15
I've just been sitting on the top deck of a bus looking along the length of Princes Street and I can't think where the trams and central pedestrian strip are going to go.

All 4 lanes were being used by buses, with only a couple of feet to spare between the east and west lanes. It's been claimed that the tram will not be replacing any of the bus services - so does that mean that we can expect the same number of buses along Princes Street?

If yes, are they going to be restricted to one lane either way?

 

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