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Published Date:
14 December 2006
A SENIOR city councillor has landed himself in hot water by making an obscene one-fingered gesture to carol-singing protesters.
Councillor Trevor Davies stunned the group of parents and children as he was heading into a champagne reception hosted by developers in the Old Town.

Save Our Old Town (SOOT) campaigners were singing cheekily adapted carols and songs to voice their objections to the £200 million Caltongate development.

But when they greeted him with a personalised ditty he snapped and made his frustration with them abundantly clear.

The city's planning convener was stung by a song to the tune of Weel May the Keel Row: "Trevor is a planner/But he's not got a banner/He's selling off the Old Toon/To build a big hotel."

One of the protesters, Sally Richardson, secretary of the Canongate Community Forum, said she was holding her two-year-old daughter Lily at the time.

"Luckily Lily does not know what that means, but we got a clear message from him," she said.

"Are we to look forward to being rudely gesticulated at by Trevor if he does not agree with us in the future?"

Cllr Davies now faces an official reprimand after a formal complaint was made against him.

The incident took place on Tuesday night outside the Fruitmarket Gallery on Market Street.

Protester Catriona Grant, chairwoman of the Old Town Community Council, said: "We obviously rattled Trevor Davies, but his reaction was aggressive and we were all taken aback.

"He is the convener of the planning committee and we need to be able to approach him and debate with him but. With such an attitude, that might not be possible."

Mrs Richardson added: "It was a light-hearted song and definitely wasn't abusive but he was clearly angry and stuck up his middle finger to us. The fact there were teenagers and small children in the audience just made it worse. What kind of an example does that set to young people when they see it from someone in a position of authority?"

Other protesters accused Cllr Davies of being "rude and intimidating" towards a peaceful, family protest. Council sources say he has had to explain his behaviour to city leader Ewan Aitken.

In a statement, Cllr Davies said: "I was going to a Christmas party, and, unusually, my wife, who has nothing to do with politics, came with me.

"As we approached the venue, in the dark, I heard various quite personal remarks. I find that unacceptable and it made me angry. As a politician, however, I understand I should not have reacted publicly in any way and I apologise if anyone was offended."

The city's Tory leader, Councillor Iain Whyte, said: "Cllr Davies is a big boy and should know better than to react to things like this - regardless of what was said by the protesters.

"Perhaps he needs to behave in a more adult manner in future."

A council spokeswoman said councillors were expected to adhere to rules of "appropriate conduct". She said: "The complaint will be looked at closely by council officials who will decide whether to take any action."

It is understood any action taken by the authority against Cllr Davies is likely to be limited to some form of reprimand.

NOT-SO-CLEVER TREVOR

FORMER television producer Trevor Davies has rarely been far from controversy since joining the city council.

The man behind the hit series Hamish Macbeth has offended New Town lawyers, city retailers and 4X4 drivers in recent years.

• Four-wheel drive owners were offended when he compared their vehicles to the "ugly" wheelie bins protesters were fighting against.

• He upset retailers during the road tolls debate by suggesting they do more to attract shoppers rather than moan about tolls scaring away motorists.

• His bravado backfired when he challenged a public meeting of New Town residents, including several lawyers, to "take us to court if you don't like our wheelie bin plans". They did.

• John Lewis bosses were not amused when he publicly described their flagship London store as "tatty", after they raised concerns about the impact of road tolls.

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  • Last Updated: 15 December 2006 10:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

Mr Crisps,

Haddington 14/12/2006 12:28:24

Right, so these protestors gather themselves to harrass people attending a reception, sing personalised songs at people (taking along their children to witness this very adult and mature behaviour), and then get all offended when an understandably irate individual makes a gesture at them?

Hmm.

Grow up protesters? I'm not entirely convinced harrassing an individual is the most effective form of protest.

2

Hoops man,

14/12/2006 12:30:34

Looks like the labour council and councillor at last are showing what they think of the people of Edinburgh. The sooner these arrogant ba**ards are shown the door the better. Just another display of their opinion of Edinburghs people. Heres hoping the people realise this come May 2007

3

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14/12/2006 12:31:39
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14/12/2006 12:35:13
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Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 14/12/2006 12:35:23

Folk getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

6

The Boards of Mario Antoinette,

14/12/2006 12:36:26

Hes also sold off Meadowbank Stadium instead of Renovating it.

He'll get two fingers up his nostrils If I ever meet him.

If you are in power , you dont behave like this.

7

bikerider1,

14/12/2006 12:36:57

it shows the mans human, but to do it in front of kids is wrong, you could say its an electoral disaster for him but seeing as he was probably going to loose his seat anyway.......

8

Ariel,

14/12/2006 12:37:42

He doesent have the balls to stick his finger up at Tony blair..

9

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 14/12/2006 12:38:30

Even a mean-spirited planner could surely, in the xmas season, have spared two fingers?

10

Jockyw,

14/12/2006 12:41:02

Obviously wants to join the bandwagon of councillors getting fat pay offs for leaving & including those sacked.
Alarming.

This is just another show to the good people of Edinburgh paying taxes that prove concerns are not thought of & idiots currently in power make decisions.
Edinburgh has seen so many stupid, expensive, ridiculous concepts put in place, replaced & just a darn right waste of public money.

Hello – What can the public do about these bigots?

11

Tam O' Shanter,

Ayr 14/12/2006 12:41:59

Unpleasant.
This is the season of goodwill

12

Alan RH,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 12:44:51

While I don't condone the way he reacted I wonder how some of the protesters would have reacted had they had an insulting song sung about them? I imagine they wanted a reaction from the council and they got it! I'm getting tired of reading about people complaining about anything the council does or does not do, you elected them to make decisions for you so let them do it and if you're not happy vote in May for a change.

13

Ariel,

14/12/2006 12:45:16

A seemingly small gesture that speaks volumes..

14

Ariel,

14/12/2006 12:47:59

Alan RH, Oh come off it..The song was hardly insulting!

"Trevor is a planner/But he's not got a banner/He's selling off the Old Toon/To build a big hotel."

As i stated, this creep feels he can stick his fingers up at the people yet cowers in unctious expectation before the likes of big business and the butcher of London, Tony Blair.

15

Yabanci,

14/12/2006 12:49:49

As The Scotsman earlier reported "One Lib Dem source said: "He treats us like something he has found on the sole of his shoe".

If that's how he's perceived by his political colleagues, how else can you expect him to treat the saps who voted him into office?

Complete article on http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=667012006

16

Concerned of Stockbridge,

14/12/2006 12:51:01

The classy thing to have done would have been to have a bottle or two of the developers' largesse sent outside for the carolers to enjoy - but then we can't have too many snouts in the trough can we?

17

neil f,

anywhere 14/12/2006 12:53:39

I would take any "shock" experienced by the protesters with a large pinch of salt.

They made up a personalised chant. They tried to get under his skin, and they succeeded.

They will be delighted.

Think of football fans goading footballers and you've got it about right. Obviously the Canongate Forum are doing it in a rather more genteel, middle class sort of way though.

18

Concerned of Stockbridge,

14/12/2006 12:55:26

#11 he didn't have to seek election to public office, putting himself in the limelight - "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" (preferably with a cheque for £10K in the back pocket of course).

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Phil,

Oxford 14/12/2006 12:59:58

Let me guess... he wouldn't be a Labour councillor would he?

The Labour party has been collectively giving the country a one-fingered-salute since 1997.

21

Tomsk,

Beyond the Blue Horizon 14/12/2006 13:00:29

#14, Yabanci

'As The Scotsman earlier reported "One Lib Dem source said: "He treats us like something he has found on the sole of his shoe". '

So his judgement isn't totally impaired then?

22

bigkev,

china 14/12/2006 13:08:48

typical of the types who do this job

23

Martin.,

14/12/2006 13:12:00

I'd have given them the same one fingered salute in similar circumstances.

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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 13:16:08

Just imagine if he had been elected as Councillor Leader in the recent ballot! What a nightmare.

What has happened to respect for the electorate and humility in our public servants? Such arrogance deserves a good thumping at the next local elections.

26

Wingman,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 13:20:07

I am sure the council has a professional standards unit, report him to it.

27

The Judge,

14/12/2006 13:24:54

Are New Labour Scotland going to discipline him or will it be a one day story in the EEN?

#23 has it spot on, its time one of the journos at the EEN started investigating council officials & councillors.

I've said it before on these pages, at least 3 are corrupt and 2 others are implicated in corruption. If a mear mortal like myself can find the evidence then it shouldn't be a problem for a well trained journalist, assuming you have one. Start with the families of those people that make the big development decisions.

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Ariel,

14/12/2006 13:29:53

"New Labour Scotland going to discipline him???"

What, like they diciplined the mass murderer Tony Blair and his hencheman???!

RFLOL

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Ariel,

14/12/2006 13:52:18

Paul Voltaire, That is the same argument used in Tony Blairs genocide.

31

Zoobee,

soggy edinburgh 14/12/2006 14:02:36

just seen the front cover of the EN - very amusing :)

32

Ecco Warrier,

Edinburra 14/12/2006 14:03:56

They must have left a door at the Royal Ed open.
The Judge & Jim Taylor are oot agin.
Cooncilor Davis should have responded in verse.
SOOT yer off yer cloot and Sally yer a Wally.
As fer the weans , they are nice at Xmas but a couldnae eata whole one.

33

Mallory,

14/12/2006 14:09:23

Typically arrogant and ignorant but what else do we expect from this guy who is selling off green space and sports pitches.

They know the writing is on the wall for next May but seem determined to leave the ciy tax-payers and residents with the shambles their stupid schemes will create.

Never mind - the News thinks its all a big 'boost' for the city so Trev can be sure of support from there.

34

KTCB41,

14/12/2006 14:12:01

My what a clever two year old that must be! Or perhapps Mummy should not be educating the child to know what the finger means, I'd have thought mummy could wait till the child was three before covering that ground.

I quite like the idea of elected leaders telling the people to get stuffed occasionally. We want it all, they're there to work out what we can have. Too many spoiled brats.

35

Shabina,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 14:17:05

I see Edinburgh Sucks covered this in their own irreverant way:
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2006/12/13/trevor-davies-gi...

36

Jakey Rowling,

14/12/2006 14:28:59

#33
"They must have left a door at the Royal Ed open."

The jokes about the cyclepaths was yesterdays news ..

37

Lupton,

Morecambe 14/12/2006 14:30:12

Phil from Oxford, Well Said !

38

The Boards of Mario Antoinette,

14/12/2006 14:55:31

He should be in Panto, look at that picture. He looks like a HeShe , a womanman in between a sex change. A cruella Deville. All he need is a wee bit mascara. He looks like someone you would meet in the Penny Black at 0500 Hours who claims to be Ex SAS and shows you how to hurt peoples fingers by bending them back at funny angles.

39

Budgie,

Scotland 14/12/2006 15:12:20

*35 KTCB41.
Are you a Councillor? If not you should consider becoming one as you have the same contemptuous attitude as too many of them.

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Ariel,

14/12/2006 15:19:19

Lets face it, Anyone with any sense detests our politicians (especially the new neo-nazi party, Neo Labor).

200 years ago people would have pelted them with rotten eggs (only because they couldn't lynch them).

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inter alia,

the capital 14/12/2006 15:19:40

Well done #35. Mrs Richardson's reported comment " .. luckily Lily" (her two year old daughter) "does not know what this means .." is clear evidence of the failure of her parents and our educational system to equip this child [for that is all she is] with the necessary skills to make her way in the world of protest politics. Somebody should do something about it. ps ever noticed how your index finger is just big enough to fit your nostril.

43

Voice of reason,

14/12/2006 15:20:14

Trevor Davies is quite right to make obscene gestures , he is a democratically elected councillor . We elected this council who , fortunately , have more sense than this bunch of hooray-henrys, John Lewis - shopping , and their stinking 4*4s ,

44

inter alia,

the capital 14/12/2006 15:38:27

#44: Voice of reason: I shop at John Lewis and Harvey Nichols and I have a 4x4 and I know someone called Henry and I get my hair done at Charlie Millar's and I bet my 'voice of reason' is better than your 'voice of reason'. So there.

45

The Boards of Mario Antoinette,

14/12/2006 15:40:17

44. In the Canonngate ? I think you could be wrong on this one.

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Teddy,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 15:49:26

Having always considered TD to be too arrogant to serve as a councillor he has demostrated just how arrogant he is by this unseemly gesture.
Surely his days are numbered.

47

Shabina,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 15:51:37

Interestingly according to Edinburgh Sucks he has broken the code of conduct:

3.8 You must not accept any offer by way of gift or hospitality which could give rise to a reasonable suspicion of influence on your part to show favour or disadvantage to any individual or organisation. You should also consider whether there may be any reasonable perception that any gift received by your spouse or cohabitee or by any company in which you have a controlling interest, or by a partnership of which you are a partner, can or would influence your judgement. The term “gift” includes benefits such as relief from indebtedness, loan concessions, or provision of services at a cost below that generally charged to members of the public.

and

3.9 You must not accept any offer of a gift or hospitality from any individual or organisation who is an applicant awaiting a decision from the Council or who is seeking to do business or to continue to do business with the Council. If you are making a visit to inspect equipment, vehicles, land or property, then as a general rule you should ensure that the Council pays for the cost of these visits.

Does this mean that Trevor is going to be reported to the Standards Commission.

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Gordie,

14/12/2006 16:01:16

Given the sorts of comments on this board - which I presume includes SOOT. There is and has been a lot of dirty mudslinging. Trevor was a bit inapropriatte. No excuses - but that doesn't mean the so-called "community" can also throw muck.

It's ther adults who are behaving like children

50

Budgie,

Scotland 14/12/2006 16:03:23

*48. Shabina, Edinburgh.
Lucky for many councillors that this code of conduct is not enforced.

51

Egg,

14/12/2006 16:03:46

People criticise politicians when they are "on message" and then if they have a rare human reaction, they are again criticised. I'm not the biggest fan of politicians, but the problem with constant criticism of everything they do is that it obscures the instances when something really bad or major has happened.

I went to some of the recent public meetings about and I was really shocked by how some people (a minority, but very vocal) spoke to Councillors and council officials. I thought the level of aggression and disrespect was appalling. You can fundamentally disagree with someone without displaying either of the aforementioned, and indeed your point is stronger if you put it forward in a well-argued, civil way. Given that the meeting was about young people and several were present, I thought it was a rotten example to set for them. How can we expect them to respect their teachers and others if they see adults behaving in this way on a regular basis. And the people in question were middle class, not "neds".

As for this story, one of the singers said:

"He is the convener of the planning committee and we need to be able to approach him and debate with him but with such an attitude, that might not be possible."

Yes, I find that when I want to debate or negotiate sensibly with someone, the best way is obviously to sing some personal and abusive songs about them.

52

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 16:04:00

#28 - "new sports centre at Sighthill, not on the same scale as Meadowbank" - thank God for that, Meadowbank is falling apart all over - that's the whole point of a new facility.

It would cost too much money to renovate it and to keep renovating it. Have you ever seen the plans for the new facility, or been in Meadowbank recently for that matter - it is a dump! Get real, things have to change eventually, get out of your comfort zone.

As for the Councillor, big deal he stuck his fingers up, he shouldn't have but people do worse. If it wasn't that it would be something else, some people just like to jump on the bandwagon regarding the Council, have you actually ever worked there and wondered what the staff have to put up with who are just normal people like you and me!

53

The Boards of Mario Antoinette,

Plankton , West Lothian 14/12/2006 16:14:00

im not a normal person Giraffe , dont you ever insult me like that again.

54

Palermo,

14/12/2006 16:15:42

I'm looking forward to the changes in May...

This new labour one party state in Scotland has more than a whiff of mid-nineties Toryism about it.

You can be in power too long, and this councillor is showing the signs - one finger salutes, arrogant statements like "so sue me" (and they did - haha).

Then again, some parts of the city act at election time like they enjoy being help in complete contempt, you could stick a red rosette on a monkey and it would be returned with an increased majority.

Here's hoping that changes in 2007...

55

Barbara Scott,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 16:17:09

How about the fact that the councillor in question, who's the Convener of the council's planning committee - was attending the christmas champagne bash thrown by the big business developers who are being allowed to tear down listed buildings and people's homes in order to build unneeded and unwanted hotels at vast profit to themselves out of council tax payers' money? Does that in itself not count as a wee bit of a conflict of interest??

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inter alia,

the capital 14/12/2006 16:29:17

#49: Cluade: x

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Cluade,

14/12/2006 16:30:54

There's a lot of jealousy flying around these boards - you're all like the little match girl, smudging the window as you enviously peers in at the lavish feast. Surely, if we were in their position we'd be practicing pork-barrel politics, quaffing all the freebies within grabbing distance, and giving our secretaries a bit of how's-your-father in the conference room? The rewards go to the bold, and that's how it should be.

59

Filled Rolls,

14/12/2006 16:31:21

T Dan Smith would have found it hard keeping up with our own TD. Talk about bare faced cheek! The guy is supposed to be impartial, and (rules or not) yet he is quite prepared to accept a party invitation from Mountgrange.

As for his gesture, it is obscene - I have always considered two fingers as meaning "f*ck" off whilst one finger means "f*ck you". A very nasty attitude to betray in public.

I can't wait for T Dan Davies' latest letter to the Evening News. I thought that one where he said the head of the Cockburn Association knew nothing about town planning was good.

He certainly knows his irony, our Trevor Poulson. you see the lady in question has a degree in town planning, whereas Trev doesn't.

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14/12/2006 16:32:10
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May I please have some salt,

14/12/2006 16:33:35

Cluade, what strange concoction of chemicals might you be ingesting? Have you no shame?

62

inter alia,

the capital 14/12/2006 16:34:01

Nothing is too good for the workers' representatives ?

63

David 1,

14/12/2006 16:47:11

Calm down Filled Rolls #60, there's nothing nasty about sticking your finger up at someone - it lost its edge years ago. The finger is just a bit of a laugh these days - that's why kids resought to physical violence more often, it's the only effective way to help someone understand that you hate them.

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Shug,

UK 14/12/2006 16:51:24

The man is a public officer and as such he needs to accept that he will come in for abuse. The level of abuse reported by the Scotsman appears to be minor and good natured.

His response was disgusting and not befitting of someone in such an important and well paid position. He should be sacked for gross misconduct/bringing the offices of the Council into disrepute. If he has any balls he should resign.

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Cluade,

14/12/2006 16:54:34

#62 - Exactly. Most people are too stupid to manage their own lives, yet openly criticise the occasional back-hander or indiscretion of those individuals intelligent enough to manage a city. Politicians are the intellectual elite and should be allowed to enjoy the spoils of their labour. There's a bastard in every great politician, but the morons of this world recoil in horror whenever they display that characteristic. To the critics: get elected, or shut up and take what you're given.

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14/12/2006 16:54:49
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14/12/2006 17:01:24
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Ariel,

14/12/2006 17:40:10

This councilor should be given the sack!

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josh,

edinburgh 14/12/2006 17:49:28

time to resign, amigo.

70

Old Town Resident,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 18:18:51

The Save Our Old Town were invited to protest by a Mountgrange official.

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Repton,

edinburgh 14/12/2006 18:19:21

It`s another example of the way this Labour Group think they can walk all over the electorate.Their time will surely come in May when the people will empty this bunch of despots once and for all ,hopefully never to return.

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Soren,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 18:24:04

Hoops Man. You dont have a clue. Are you old enought to recall when we had nothing but tory councils in Edinburgh? Doubt it. If you did you would realise that they truely held people as worthless items. Get off your political soap box and grow up.

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14/12/2006 18:28:19
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14/12/2006 18:56:44
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Jakey Rowling,

14/12/2006 19:06:24

#76
"The difference between one finger and two? None"

Even I'm not taking the bait on this one!

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Nikki Logan,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 19:39:28

As a SOOT member, Teenager and one of the "protesters" outside the fruitmarket, I would like to comment!
I decided to go along and sing carols as a SOOT campainer and a cild worried about my community. I feel however the night of festive fun, that was meant to raise awairness to our thoughts and feelings, was ruined by Trevor. He acted childish and immature. And come on thats comming from a teenager. Behaiviour like that from a teenager would be inappropriate. Why then can a fully grown adult who is meant to be representing us act in such an outragous manner.
I felt intimidated after Trevor entered. However I now have lost all respect for him. He just seams petty!

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Jakey Rowling,

14/12/2006 20:05:33

#78
Your one agitated dude tonight.
Chill.

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Jakey Rowling,

14/12/2006 20:13:29

#79
"I felt intimidated after Trevor entered. However I now have lost all respect for him. "

No.. No.. Nooooo.... I might upset Soren even more.

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Thomas the Tank,

EmbraToon 14/12/2006 20:33:23

'Trevor Davies has rarely been far from controversy . . . ' is that Journalistic Euphemism for something much more descriptive that would get me moderated off this post? Thank goodness all but 2 of his colleagues ( I assume the third vote was his own) saw through this arrogant oik's attempt at the Leadership.

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Jayess,

Marchmont 14/12/2006 20:56:16

#79. If you are an Edinburgh teenager, and that is your best writing, then you are picketing the wrong councillor.

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Micky the Mouth,

14/12/2006 20:59:17

In the article, Catriona Grant said "we were all taken aback".

Is this the same Catriona Grant who is quoted elsewhere as saying "The SSP is for “red-blooded socialism, rooted in the working class,” stated Catriona Grant, who chaired the first day’s sessions...... It’s a combat socialist party, committed to the overturn of capitalism."

I'm sure that Catriona was talking metaphorically about blood and combat, and when she stands for election in May, she will clarify that she doesn't really support violence.

It's a funny thing that SOOT press released the incident (see last night's EEN forums) - a wee bit of planning there? Shock-horrer - he was rude to us - let's complain to the evening news!

It is getting closer to election time - and well, Trevor
failed the test.

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Damian,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 21:54:36

What an absolute numpty Mr Davies is. Whilst there was some light-hearted provocation, he is an elected representative and should be setting an example.

This is the man who wanted to be Leader of the Council and become one of the most impotant people in Edinburgh - thank goodness he failed - what a lack of class he has shown.

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Soren,

Edinburgh 14/12/2006 22:30:43

Jakey boy. You dont upset me. Only your 'on the fence' garbage does. Find a life man!

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George B,

14/12/2006 23:16:53

I must be getting old. In my days, 2 year old kids were tucked up in bed by 7.30, and being read stories about cinderella going to the ball.

Not going to demonstrations on a cold December NIGHT to complain that mammy wasn't invited. And the handsome prince being not so chivalrous.

86

Beachcomber,

The Beach 14/12/2006 23:43:46

This Labour council are a disgrace,
vote with your feet come May...
Get the whole ass licking,money grabbing gits oot..they are only interested in lining their own deep pockets, at the tax payers expense.

Goodby and good riddence to the
whole corrupt bunch..

Amen

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Cat,

Canongate 15/12/2006 00:39:50

We all get cross and loose our temper and actually i can empathise with Trevor getting annoyed but let's put this in context - Trevor Davies was attending a champagne reception organised by Mountgrange - who are developing a big part of Edinburgh, seemingly worth £200 million. He wasn't there as a member of the public but as the Planning Convenor, next week Mountgrange will put 6 planning applications in front of Trevor Davis - some of them are controversal particularly knocking down tenements with council houses in them and the Canongate Venture which is in economical use. The singers were singing daft songs and a verse was adapted to him - it was not intimidating or insulting - it was daft. His vitriol wasn't towards the singing (which wasn't very tuneful) it is towards the whole of the campaign that is being a thorn in his side. Sally and I put in deputations to the Planning Committee and we need to debate with him about the Mountgrange Master Plan. Trevor only expressed himself how he really feels - the point is he shouldn't have done it on his way to fancy jolly put on by the developers who are smoosing him in order to get their planning applications through . And Lily went home for half seven - indeed we were all away by 8 O'Clock. Apart for Trevor "The Finger" Davies we had quite a good laugh and many of the party goers were amused by our Xmas songs. I wasn't offended by Trevor i just thought he behaved inappropriately given his role as Planning Convenor and it makes future debate and discussion with him difficult.

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Cat,

Canongate 15/12/2006 00:52:30

Hi 84 - yip that's me. I WAS taken aback, you don't expect that from a Planning Convenor going to a developers jolly do you? I wasn't traumatised by it - just thought was a numptie and imagine behaving like that!

Of course I don't support violence - any more than I do someone giving you or me the finger.

Of course we put out a press release about it - we are in a campaign against the development - the Planning Convenor on his entrance to a champagne reception with the developers who are to put 6 planning applications in front of him next week gives us the finger - we have 90 odd people speaking about it on this forum, others talking about it else where. It's in the national press. We have a campaign to Save Our Old Town from over and inappropriate development and distruction of viqable buildings where people live and work. Our issue is how democratic is this planning project?

He acted like a numptie and got caught so we made capital out of it for our campaign - we want people to know that he was smoosing it up with the developers when he is meant to be impartial. I am sure if one of us did it to him he would have had us arrested!!

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Pete39,

Tassy 15/12/2006 06:21:05

What's this with single fingers? Many decades ago the chookiembra suggested we pull it out, now this guy is suggesting we poke it in. Make you minds up.

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Freddie,

15/12/2006 08:41:04

Cat said; "...... it makes future debate and discussion with him difficult.......... Of course we put out a press release about it - we are in a campaign against the development......He acted like a numptie and got caught so we made capital out of it for our campaign."

A plague on all your houses!
Discussion is going to be a tad difficult now!
It doesn't matter whether it's politics with a big P or a little p. Let's just stick the knife in.

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JAB,

Auld Reekie 15/12/2006 08:59:37

Nice PR in the lead up to the elections. I'm sure Labour will do well when they treat the voters in this manner.

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The Judge,

15/12/2006 09:51:26

Sorry Cat the decision has already been made, Mountgrange will get whatever Mountgrange want & stuff the people of Edinburgh.

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Tam,

15/12/2006 10:05:56

Absolutely,
The SOOT protestors have tried everything - even conducting a survey, which I witnessed, where more people expressed concerns over the fate of the old town than didn't.
The SOOT protestors are not in favour of a large gap-site on Market Street, and nor are they 'anti development'. They just want to keep our Edinburgh special.
Incidentally, here's the lyrics which were so offensive:

THE SOOT SONG
(to the tune of Weel May the Keel Row)
“Trevor is a planner,
But he’s not got a banner
He’s selling off the Old Toon
To build a big hotel”


 

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