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Clean-up plea for £7m 'pigeon coop'

Council make call for Barnton hotel to be put in order by developers

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Published Date: 02 January 2009
DEVELOPERS are being urged to clean up a landmark hotel which has been closed for five years, leaving it to become a £7 million "pigeon coop".

Edinburgh Council has asked the owners of the rapidly deteriorating 113-year-old Barnton Hotel, on Queensferry Road, to put the site in order.

Footage taken by an amateur filmmaker, available on YouTube, shows pigeons roosting in the bedrooms, lea
ving the corridors and rooms covered in their waste.

The footage also shows how the hotel has been left with broken windows and has slats coming off the roof. Rotting food can also be seen.

Almond councillor Kate MacKenzie has spoken to the developers frequently about the safety and security on the site.

She said: "I've also spoken to the council's listed building section but they didn't sound too positive that they could do anything about it because they can't afford to buy it off the developers. That's the ultimate sanction that they have at their disposal, but there's just no money for it.

"I'm really disappointed that someone has bought the building and failed to afford it any due care and attention."

She added: "The neighbouring residents are extremely unhappy about this because it's a gateway site, but the council seems to be powerless to deal with it."

Concerned Bughtlin resident Fergus Duncan, 62, a retired banker from Craigmount View, has spoken to the planning department several times about the state of the hotel and is demanding action.

He said: "Since the Barnton was sold to a property developer, it's been entirely neglected.

"Planning permission was secured to turn it into 77 flats but as soon as permission was secured the developers have put it on the market again. The owners are required to keep the building wind and water tight. They have failed to do that."

Edinburgh Council has confirmed that they have been in touch with the developers to ask them to make the building wind and watertight.

A council spokeswoman said: "There's not really much we can do regarding the Barnton Hotel.

"There is a listed building repair law that allows the council to buy it back from the developers but the officials in the planning department said that they've never seen this law used in at least the last 20 years, and because they're asking £7 million for the building we don't want it back.

"The only thing we could do is put a fence around it if it became a danger to the public, but in the meantime all we can do is ask them to make the building wind and watertight."

No one from Barnton Properties Ltd or its affiliated companies was available for comment.





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  • Last Updated: 02 January 2009 11:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

brandy al,

embra 02/01/2009 13:05:46
Its not the birds fault that the building has been left for five years,we all have to do the toilet somewhere.
2

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 02/01/2009 13:15:38
Nothing changes, greedy developers in a buying frenzie, the ass then falls out the housing market and they let it go to ruin.
It was the same with the old GPO, green mould and plants growing from its fascade for years.
Donaldsons school one the finest examples of Playfair's
perpendicular architecture and one of the city's most stunning buildings.
Never on the market, sold privately to developers then neglected, the gardens and front lawn were like a jungle 'till a complaint was made.
Surely the council are empowered to serve a compulsary clean up order.
3

ikonoclast,

02/01/2009 13:23:13
The council could buy it back, use it to house the homeless and feed them the pigeons. Gosh I'm on good form today. Does anyone else have a problem to solve?
4

alex patersons English teacher,

02/01/2009 13:26:46
I dont like the sound of this, think its one of these omen pigeons.
5

Buttress,

02/01/2009 13:30:28
I suggest the council looks a little more closely at the legislation and stops making excuses.

It can start the ball rolling, and do its legal duty. If the owners fail to do as they should, they should have it compulsorily purchased at a low cost to reflect the condition, not the price they are demanding, and a 'back to back' deal sought with someone who wants the place to put into good repair. Has the council made any attempt to find a Historic Buildings Trust to take this on?

What does Historic Scotland have to say?

Certainly I can cite where this legislation has been used in recent times, at least over the border, (try Apethorpe Hall for a start, there are others ) so stop making excuses.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.10929

What are they waiting for - a fire?


6

elayne,

02/01/2009 13:53:52
i really hope something is done with the hotel soon,its quite a nice building,in the meantime i hope the pigeons enjoy their stay(yes im a pigeon lover,,deal with it!!)
7

ikonoclast,

02/01/2009 13:54:21
5, don't give people ideas! In a recession, it's a great way of saying 'Welcome to Edinburgh'. Barnton is still a hundred times more attractive than the Scottish Parliament (which only looks like a vermin-infested derelict).
8

Buttress,

02/01/2009 14:05:37
I suspect that printing this article has aready given people ideas, and of course the site owners might prefer a cleared site to a listed building. So much more convenient. But with a council happy to flog off listed buildings for demolition, and allowing its own Tron Kirk and other structures to fall into shocking disrepair, it really has its hands tied when pointing the finger at others.

www.eh8.org.uk - look at the blog, and ask why the tenements on the Canongate are standing empty? Why the Sailor's Ark? Why the Canongate Venture?



9

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

02/01/2009 14:05:42
Much a doo about nothing if you ask me
10

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 02/01/2009 14:21:57
its a cool video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb69z5Z3uzI

Reminds me of playing in Leith Central station as a kid.
11

Hugh Roscombe,

02/01/2009 14:51:39
Pigeons on a Bed of Rice recipe

ingredients:-

4 pigeons, each weighing approx. 300 g (11 oz)
200 g (7 oz) 1 1/3 cups long-grain rice
2 tsp sea salt
1 tsp black pepper
1/2 stick (2 oz) 50 g Butter, Softened
2/3 cup (150 ml) 1/4 pt single/light) cream
125 ml (4 fl oz) 1/2 cup dry white wine
1 large onion/approx. 250 g (9 oz)
800 g (1 3/4 lbs) cucumber
2 tbsp butter
2 pinches seasoning salt
1 pinch white pepper
2 tbsp fresh dill

Method
1. Bring rice to the boil with 500 ml (16 fl oz) 2 cups water and set aside.

2. Preheat oven to 220°C (425°F) Gas Mark 7.

3. Wash pigeons, rub well inside and out with salt and pepper, then spread with a thick layer of softened butter.

4. Put into roasting pan breast side down and roast for 20 minutes.

5. Place pot of rice in bottom of oven.

6. Turn pigeons over after 20 minutes, pour cream over them and roast for 10 minutes more, basting frequently with cooking juices.

7. Finally pour in white wine.

8. Switch off oven and leave pigeons there for 10 minutes.

9. Meanwhile, peel and finely chop onion. Wash cucumber and cut into julienne strips. Saute both gently in butter until transparent, adding seasoning salt and pepper to taste.

10. Continue to cook gently for about 15 minutes until cucumber is very tender, then combine with rice, cooking juices and dill and spoon onto serving dish. Arrange pigeons on top.

Serves 4
12

Brian from Accounts,

02/01/2009 14:54:19
Some of the comment posters on EEN live in conditions like that, and their internet connection is via a pigeon.
13

,

02/01/2009 14:58:14
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
14

Brian from Accounts,

02/01/2009 15:02:07
Misleading headline yet again frm EEN - it should be "Pigeon Scotmid"
15

Buttress,

02/01/2009 15:08:05
Decent - is that what the smell is?

Try a bath.
16

ikonoclast,

02/01/2009 15:18:42
13, what do you mean by 'Buttress is out'
a) he/she has excaped from confinement in an institution,
b) he/she has publicly declared a position in the other teams' batting line up, or
c) his/her decolletage has reached disturbing proportions?
17

Brian from Accounts,

02/01/2009 15:20:14
Pigeon Co-Op

Seagull Tesco

Buzzard Morrisons

Mallard Somerfield

Snipe Carrefour

Crow Lidl

Crow Aldi

Buzzard Casino
18

Logie Almond,

02/01/2009 15:41:29

"There is a listed building repair law that allows the council to buy it back from the developers but the officials in the planning department said that they've never seen this law used in at least the last 20 years, and because they're asking £7 million for the building we don't want it back."

How can the council "Buy it back" when the council has never owned this property?
19

elayne,

02/01/2009 15:48:34
#10 couldnt get it but ill take your word for it,all i remember about leith central is it smelt of p*sh and i was chased by a wasp
20

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 02/01/2009 16:56:57
#18 - it was just another anti Council rant from someone.
The Council DO NOT OWN THIS BUILDING, read it people.
Blame the developers, it is a classic technique they use - let a historic building become an eyesore then anything that replaces it is seen as 'better than what is there'.
21

Buttress,

02/01/2009 16:59:20
Sure - but the council can do something, and others do - so why not here?



22

Bearfaced cheek,

edinburgh 02/01/2009 17:03:11
I invite the EEN to come and see the Old Sommerfield site in East Craigs,Bughtlin Market its a helluva lot worse than the fiasco at Barnton. Nice to see a councillor getting involved as not one has bothered there backside about the issues in East Craigs. These are the jokers looking after the community???? don't make me laugh!
23

Nisbet,

02/01/2009 17:26:55
It was nice of one of the pigeons to film the inside of the place. Rather that than some hobbyist criminal.
24

Axelfols,

02/01/2009 17:49:52
Granton no Barnton ya bass!
25

Toast,

02/01/2009 17:57:39
A compulsory purchase order would value the building at considerably less than £7 million,the council just cannot be bothered
26

Artemis,

02/01/2009 19:41:00
How long till it goes on fire now?
27

elayne,

02/01/2009 19:48:14
what about the poor wee pigeons?
28

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 19:52:08
#26 Artemis
You've probably set it back 6 months now.
29

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/01/2009 19:54:06
Elayne
They'll fly away. They're no daft.
What am I saying?
30

pigeonlover,

London 04/01/2009 21:49:35
Our local council regulary uses its compulsory purchase powers to take buildings it wants. (Maybe its not the same in Scotland!) What would help with the pigeons is if the developers or the council contacted www.Picasuk.com or www.advocatesforanimals.org.uk who will know how to move the pigeons on without any harm coming to them.
31

JanieB,

Midlands 05/01/2009 16:35:33
May I offer the following, which might prove of help in securing a long term solution:

The Pigeon Control Advisory Service (PiCAS) offers decades of experience both in the UK and worldwide in the field of humane bird control and comes recommended by both the RSPCA and RSPB and also by American and oher overseas humane societies. They more than anyone are versed in the most effective methods for success in long-term proofing, as they have no financial interest in pest control which, for instance, in the case of culling can create an instant 'result' but then causes birds immediately to breed back to and often beyond original flock sizes: flock sizes being governed by the food available.

With best wishes and a very happy New Year!

 

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