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Published Date:
19 December 2007
A BID to make Edinburgh the first plastic bag-free city in the UK looks set to fail after officials warned the move would prove too difficult.
The plan would have seen the council lead the charge to eliminate millions of carrier bags sent to the Capital's rubbish bins every year.
TOO HOT TO HANDLE: Green councillor Alison Johnstone is  'deeply disappointed' her move for a plastic bag-free city looks in doubt
TOO HOT TO HANDLE: Green councillor Alison Johnstone is 'deeply disappointed' her move for a plastic bag-free city looks in doubt

Although smaller UK towns such as Modbury in Devon have managed to go plastic bag-free, the city's Greens wanted Edinburgh to be the first city.

However, a new council report warns the local authority "cannot on its own make Edinburgh plastic bag free" and recommends the council instead leads initiatives to encourage retailers and consumers to use less bags.

It had been hoped that the council would give away thousands of long-life bags to give the city's shoppers an alternative to plastic.

But officials want retailers or community groups to take the lead on this, such as in Leith last year when hundreds of cotton bags were given away free to shoppers.

Greens today said Dundee City Council's commitment to going plastic bag free showed that some cities see the ban as possible.

Green councillor Alison Johnstone, who lodged the motion for the council to report on her proposals to make the city plastic-bag free, said: "I am deeply disappointed by the report, which shows a complete lack of vision and will fly in the face of the administration's commitment to a more sustainable city if they go along with it."

North Berwick launched plans to become the first plastic bag-free town in Scotland in August.

The town's move has the support of businesses and residents. However, Mark Turley, director of services for communities, wrote: "Modbury, Dunoon and North Berwick are small, discrete towns with mostly local shops.

"Edinburgh is home to a plethora of retailers, all with their own environmental initiatives, such as bags for life.

"At this point, in the absence of legislation, any initiative would be voluntary and should be retailer-led.

"It is clear that the council cannot on its own make Edinburgh plastic bag free."

Edinburgh South Lib Dem MSP Mike Pringle, who is trying to revive his parliamentary Bill to introduce a 10p tax on plastic bags, said: "It is disappointing that the council can't see the positives that have been achieved in this area in countries such as Ireland where the bag tax has worked well."

Plastic bags can take up to 500 years to decay in landfill and it is estimated that 46,000 pieces of plastic can be found in every square mile of the world's oceans.

Councillor Robert Aldridge, the city's environment leader, said: "The council will do all it can to educate the public about the benefits of using reusable bags, but we cannot enforce a plastic bag ban on our own."

The report will be discussed at the full council meeting tomorrow.



The full article contains 484 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 December 2007 12:33 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scotland's green campaigns
 
1

Sugar,

19/12/2007 13:28:43
What an utterly stupid suggestion this was in the first place. Talk about an incentive to do your shopping in Glasgow.

If the Councillors can't come up with anything more important to talk about maybe a few redundancies are in order.
2

Xena - Warrior Princess,

19/12/2007 13:46:28
#1 Couldn't agree more with you. I am certainly not going to forget this lot at the next election.
3

NorT,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 14:05:32
Remember this stupid idea came from a Green Party councillor although the idea was floated in the Scottish parliament by that idiot MSP, Mike Pringle.
4

Statsman,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 14:06:39
There was me thinking the council's responsibilities were repairing the ubiquitous potholes, keeping the streets clean and ensuring children have quality schools. Imagine my shock when I discovered the council doesn't bother with these things but, instead, spends all its time on pie in the sky social engineering projects.
5

JFW,

New Town 19/12/2007 14:23:40
This would be an initiative that would help make Edinburgh a cleaner place - there's nothing pie-in-the-sky about that. There would be no issue with the council introducing measures to reduce the use of plastic bags, the only thing stopping them is they don't have to balls to stand up to they type of person (like those above) who think causing gratuitous waste is their right. We Irish were up in arms about the bag tax a few years back and now think it's the best idea since sliced bread - this is an example of something that can be forced on people for the greater good. The principle is simple - if you want to use a plastic bag then you can pay for the privilege.
6

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 14:59:15
How about Edinburgh becoming the first city to ban little sachets cocntaining condiments and to force cafe's and restaurants to use proper cutlery and crockery rather than the disposable variety?

That would make an enormous difference to the amount of waste generated by the city and would also make the dining experience altogether more civilised.

I re-cycle my plastic bags anyway. Once I've carried the shopping home in them, I use them for bin-liners.
7

Sarcasm,

19/12/2007 15:02:49
how many carriers do you see in the picture?
8

Xena - Warrior Princess,

19/12/2007 15:06:46
As #4 says I think the Council has more important things to be doing. Also it is really a case now of being totally fed up being told how to live, what to do/not do. If the Greens are voted in by a majority I expect that will be the day we will get rid of plastic bags.
9

Xena - Warrior Princess,

19/12/2007 15:18:40
#10 As I said when the Greens are voted the majority in the Council then they can being this initiative in. Problem solved. I don't know when this will be though.
10

Aaron Winfield,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 15:28:41
This is all very well for those that have cars who can keep these long-life bags in their car or boot. What about those who maybe goto the shops on their way home from work or uni etc? Are we all supposed to roll all our cans of beans etc home?
11

JFW,

New Town 19/12/2007 15:29:42
Great attitude Xena, until then you'll just continue to actively particpate in the destruction of the environment, because it's your right to do what ever you want. Unfortunately people like you need to be told how to live for the benefit of society as a whole, because you can't see past the nose on your own face.
12

JFW,

NewTown 19/12/2007 15:32:32
#12 - you can either bring a reuseable bag, a plastic bag you used previously or just buy another one, it's not bloody difficult to manage - just like how it works in Ireland where everyone deals with it without any great song and dance about their sodding human rights.
13

Happyhibee1956,

19/12/2007 15:54:10
#6- green supporter

Why dont you use said plastic bag and pull it over your head.

Thanks to numpties like you Aberdeenshire will probably be 10,000 jobs lighter and we would all be driving around on a horse and cart, and you would still be complaining that there was to much methane comming out the back of the exhuast not to mention of the extra cost of going for a shag to Bangkok.
14

barra,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 15:55:25
So.....if I don't get plastic bags from the shops I will have to buy binliners for my rubbish and they will still go to landfill. Where's the saving.
15

Layabout MSP,

19/12/2007 16:08:31
#13 I think that it is you that can't see past the end of your nose. It is not a consumer problem, but a retailer one. Until retailers start putting the environment before profit, they will continue to make plastic bags available to their customers! Why? because its the cheap option! If retailers gave a t*ss about the environment they would stop using plastic bags next week and consumers would find other means of transporting their goods home - without any helpful advice from you!
16

Sassenach Observer,

19/12/2007 16:35:36
Okay then. Alison ? Would you ? How about if she tried to smile a bit?
17

Ted,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 18:18:36
So let me get this right - those above who're moaning about this initiative, they like seeing trees covered in plastic bags, spending money unblocking their drains, and litter bins full of single-use bags?

Personally, I think this is a great proposal, and if we could get the disposable tubs for food and plastic catering packaging banned as well, that'd be just fine. Go Alison.
18

Ian Baxter,

Bonnyrigg 19/12/2007 19:20:06
People get the politicians they deserve. You can either support people like the Greens who tell the truth and offer solutions to the mess we are leaving, or you can support those who sound like they care but offer nothing but procrastination and business as usual. From many of the comments here, it's clear most people don't like change - however necessary - but at least the Greens are different in saying we need to change. Well done Alison.
19

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 20/12/2007 00:19:04
WE.DID.NOT.NEED.THEM.YEARS.AGO.WHY.NOW.CHARGE.1DOLLAR
20

The Hiker,

Fife 25/12/2007 15:29:57
Ted at # 20
Well said. These numpties who actually seem to think it's great to see plastic bags "Blowing in the wind" really need to think about their priorities.
Take a trip to your local coup, and see the bags decorating the trees for miles around.

I NEVER take the plastic bags on offer. If I buy just 2 or 3 items, I carry them in my hand, if it's the weeks shopping, we have a bunch of re-usable bags, that are always used.

It works in France, it works in Irleand, in my personal experience, so why can't it work here?
(Does anyone know any other countries that have banned the damn things?)
Other option is to start charging people for them, that would make some people, (though not all by a long chalk), think twice about chucking the things away, instead of re-using them.
21

SimonW,

Edinburgh 17/01/2008 13:37:51
#10 Aaron,

have you seen how much space a folded up plastic bag takes up? My wife carries 2 in a wee pocket in her handbag. It's just a pathetic excuse for laziness.
22

greer17,

edinburgh 18/01/2008 11:45:34
It works really well in the south of Ireland. You get the choice of a paper bag of paying 5 cents for a plastic one. I like paper bags better. I also recycle my plastic bags and have the hemp bags for life. People should take responsibilty for the mess they make and the same goes for companies who should be made to be more responsible!!
23

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/01/2008 01:06:08
IT.IS.TIME.PLASTIC.BAGS.WERE.STOPPED.NO.NEED

 

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