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City stands to lose its RBS assets after rescue



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Published Date: 14 October 2008
FEARS were raised today for the future of Royal Bank of Scotland as an independent company based in Edinburgh after the Government's move to snap up a majority shareholding.
A leading shareholder group said the Edinburgh-based bank was already effectively Government-owned after it agreed to acquire 60 per cent of its shares.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said that, over time, the Government will look to dispose of its investments "in an orderly way".

That has led to fears that a competitor will swoop to take control of the ailing bank.

It comes after Lloyds TSB also renegotiated its deal for HBoS which, if backed by shareholders, is expected to see the new group headquarters move out of Edinburgh. The deals will mean that all of Edinburgh's top five employers will be either public companies or part-owned by Government.

Roger Lawson, director of the UK Shareholders Association, a leading lobby group for investors, hit out at the Government's actions on RBS, which will see it get three seats on the board.

He said: "One of the main issues is that they are no longer an independent body. They are controlled and owned by the Government.

"The Government is always subject to political pressures. They will either make a total hash of running it, as they usually do, or they will flog it to the highest bidder. Either way, it will not remain a Scottish bank based in Scotland."

He said he had personally lost £50,000 on the value of his RBS shares in recent weeks and said many members have lost much more.

Shares in both RBS and HBoS, which would become 40 per cent Government-owned when it merges with Lloyds TSB, continued their decline yesterday following the announcement.

"Shareholders are selling just like I am," said Mr Lawson. "They do not want to be a minority shareholder in a company controlled by the Government. What is the point holding shares in a company if no dividend is to be paid?

"They have effectively nationalised RBS without shareholder consent, in breach of stock exchange rules. It is an absolute disgrace.

"Clearly the Government will be able to take complete control and sell it off whenever they want. It is obvious they want to make a profit and they will make a big profit. All of this just screws shareholders. They get nothing at all."

Bryan Johnston, director at private client investment manager Bell Lawrie in Edinburgh, welcomed the move by Government but admitted that the future of the two banking headquarters in Edinburgh was uncertain.

He said: "The Government doesn't want to own the UK banking system and they will look for opportunities to sell their investments. Any quoted company is exposed to the possibility of another company making a bid. It is up to shareholders, and in RBS's case that includes the Government, to make a decision."

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive at the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said that it was vital that Edinburgh's financial services brand "reasserts itself in world markets".

"That has to mean independent and strong banks. That is compromised when the Government has a majority stake but it has indicated that as soon as the conditions are right it will sell that stake.

"Clearly we would all be concerned if the headquarter functions of RBS or any other large financial institution, was to be compromised.

"The best solution for our banks and the rest of us is not to panic but to continue to offer good sound financial advice for savers. It is what we've built up over 100 years and it won't disappear in one crisis."

The financial crisis has led to fears of job losses as the leading banks restructure following the Government capital injection.

Unite joint general secretary Derek Simpson said he wanted to see undertakings by the banks of no job losses, no repossessions and an end to the bonus culture.

"The taxpayer must now get a firm assurance that the financial lifeline extended to these large organisations will be used to protect Scottish jobs and the public."

The banking sector turmoil led to RBS chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin announcing that he will stand down, to be replaced by British Land boss Stephen Hester, while Sir Tom McKillop will retire in April.

Meanwhile, there are hopes the capital injection into RBS and Lloyds/HBoS will provide a boost to availability of mortgages.

Kennedy Foster, policy consultant in Scotland for the Council of Mortgage Lenders and a former RBS company secretary and head of mortgage operations, said: "Obviously there is going to be additional capital in RBS and HBoS and just as importantly the capital is to take care of things like write-offs.

"I would expect that would assist in mortgage availability but the mortgage market is far wider than RBS and HBoS. Other money they make available for inter-bank lending will help but I suspect it will be a gradual process before the market opens up.

"Other issues like consumer confidence in the housing market and the willingness of people to buy will continue to have an impact.

"I would expect 2009 to remain a difficult year, probably moving into 2010 until things start to pick up. These measures won't simply end the possibility of recession – there are issues around the general economy that this can't solve."

'I do feel sad . . It is very painful for everyone and I'm a shareholder too'DEPARTING Royal Bank of Scotland boss Sir Fred Goodwin has spoken of his sadness at a turn of events that has seen him stand down from his post as the company prepares for part-nationalisation.

The Edinburgh-based bank's chief executive has announced he and chairman Sir Tom McKillop will waive their right to pay-offs as they both step down.

HBoS has also confirmed that chief executive Andy Hornby and chairman Dennis Stevenson will not receive bonuses when they leave their posts when the Lloyds takeover is complete.

Referring to his resignation, Sir Fred, who is to be replaced by British Land chief executive Stephen Hester, said: "This wouldn't have been the moment or circumstance I'd have chosen.

"I do understand why this is happening, and I think this is the right thing for me to do and for the group to do.

"I've been chief executive for nine years. It would be crazy for me to think of being the chief executive for another three or four years and that is the period in everyone's mind now in terms of deciding what to do with regards to the shares that will be coming up to buy.

"It is right that we get a new leader for the group and I feel confident that Stephen has the skills and temperament to do the job and get the best out of the group.

"I do feel sad. More than anything else while I've been working here I've got a great deal of friendship and support from a lot of people and I'll be moving away from that."

Sir Fred also denied that the acquisition of Dutch bank ABN Amro last year led to the problems at RBS.

He added: "It is very painful for everyone, and I am a shareholder too, but I am convinced it is the right decision in terms of everything going on in the world."

Sir Tom also indicated that RBS was very close to the brink last week.

He said: "Not just for RBS, but many many banks around the world . . . this was a pretty dangerous moment but that is stabilising well now."

Fresh boost for embattled banks
ROYAL Bank of Scotland and HBoS received a boost today after the Irish Government agreed to guarantee all deposits in their Irish branches.

It was announced today that RBS's Irish subsidiary Ulster Bank and HBoS's Irish branches would be included in Ireland's £311 billion deposits guarantee scheme.

Three other foreign-owned lenders - First Active, IIB Bank and Postbank - will also be accepted into the deal.

But Irish finance minister Brian Lenihan said only deposits Irish branches and operations will be eligible.

"Clearly, there will be some additional limitations and safeguards in relation to these operations to ensure that the support provided relates to liabilities arising from their position within the national economy, rather than to their wider group," he said.

Mr Lenihan said the five institutions would fall under an extension to the scheme allowing cover for certain banking subsidiaries with a "significant and broad-based footprint" in the Irish domestic economy.

The package was hammered out last week in late-night talks between the Government, financial watchdogs and top bank executives.

The pledge, which covers debts and deposits for two years, annoyed British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who feared it would trigger a flight of capital out of the UK and Germany to Irish banks.


The full article contains 1492 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 12:01:22
Absloute nonsense Michael.
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14/10/2008 12:04:50
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Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 12:14:27

Gogarburn will be "luxury flats" by Christmas, and RBS will be the wrapper used by HSBC for it's retail banking products in Scotland.

Tunnocks, Barrs and Golden Wonder are now the blue-chip investments. Juice crisps and caramel wafers are recession proof.
4

Black Five,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 12:31:38
The demise of R B S is a catastrophe to Edinburgh and Scotland.The likes of Goodwin should leave with nothing.He`s made enough over the years and should go quietly.I think R B S will be taken over as they are as what the man in Dad`s Army said ...doomed.
5

noswod,

Honestas 14/10/2008 12:36:47
Good riddence to those jokers who have lost Scotlands banks and with it any hope for an independant Scotland. HSBC or even Barclays will take oot the alying RBS and thousands of Scottish jobs will be binned together with the economic heart of Edinburgh. Neds on the streets and Neds in the banks its the end of the world
6

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 12:45:59
Perhaps R Lawson could explain exactly what the shareholders he "represents" have being doing to temper the behaviour of the companies they "owned".

Re the headline, surely it's too early to say whether the city will lose these assets. Perhaps the government might use its influence on bank boards to ensure that the "nationalised" banks continue to provide employment in their traditional areas.
7

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 12:58:20
Industries change , thats the nature of the beast. Perhaps Banking will be slimmed down but its not necessarily a good thing.

I dont think RBS are going anywhere fast and the next government (probably conservative unless you think you know better) will re-privatise them. Expect the same nonsense again in 25 years time.

House prices to fall by 50% . Thats according to the dean of harvard.

Diversify. Mental Health is the new boom industry.
8

Big T,

14/10/2008 13:00:34
Never mind Fred - off to the Bahamas with you for cocktails on the beach. With a pension of more than £500m PER ANNUM you can afford it!

As for me and millions of others we will have to get on with saving or business and homes from the financial carnage caused by fat cats like you!!!
9

Edward,

14/10/2008 13:03:10
What an unmitigated piece of rubbish journalism!
Where did you get your 'inside' informtion?
Perhaps you shouldnt be listening to the Labour 'insiders'
Fact is RBS is NOT an ailing bank, never was in the first place
As for the Government majoritgy shareholding again WRONG!
Government have only put in £ 5 billion
RBS are to raise the other £ 15 Billion in share purchase, which is guaranteed by the Governmemnt
The government will only take up any slack in shares that are not purchased and then and ONLY then would they become a larger shareholder.
So what makes you think that BS will not be successful in the £ 15 Billion share issue? Have you been tipped by your Labour chums?
We shall see
10

Edward,

14/10/2008 13:04:38
#8
No point in hounding Fred Goodwin, he is not at fault. He is however being painted as villian of the peace by the Labour spin machine, creating a scape goat for everyone to attack!
11

burqa brigade,

14/10/2008 13:04:42
As a customer of RBS, with current account, business account, savings account, mortgage account and credit card, I am disgusted at the way the company has been run by the board. It is entirely their fault that they are in this mess. Shareholders hsould shut up moaning - if the government hadn't got involved there wouldn't even be any RBS - the company would have went bust. Either way the shareholders lose out.
The government should have let RBS go bust, as well has HBOS. If my business goes belly up, can I go cap in hand to Brown? No way!

Bunch of bloody bankers!
12

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 13:08:24
Edward you are a clown and a blind clown at that.
13

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 13:10:25
Edward , Fred shafted the Clydesdale staff, The Natwest Staff , the Dutch government , the employees and familes of all those employed at ABN Amro , and finally his own shareholders.

14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 13:11:46
11 I reckon RBS would have hit 30p a share today if not for the intervention. dead by the weekend.
15

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 13:16:20
Wot, no Gnat-bites yet to tell us all how it could have been all so different in King Smug the First's independent Scottish Utopia, with no free market buccaneers, no foreign capital and, eh, nae jobs or money either?
16

Big T,

14/10/2008 13:23:34
#8

Sorry my mistake - I thought Sir Fred was the CEO of RBS???

Don't be a pillock - he was paid over £4m in salary and bonuses last year. HE made the decisions, HE got it wrong and HE takes the rap!!!
17

Bill MacD,

14/10/2008 13:27:03
The whining affronted shareholders complaining about the governments' action only have themselves to blame. If they had ensured the previous board did its job properly, the greedy idiots at the top would not have been able to run this once great company into the ground. The fact is that their shares were becoming worthless, as they headed for bankruptcy. They should be grateful they've been left any value in their shares, and not moan on about wanting a free lunch. The shareholders gambled on getting free money for nothing, and lost. Live with it. Greedy gits don't win every time!
18

ColinA,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 13:31:47
"The deals will mean that all of Edinburgh's top five employers will be either public companies or part-owned by Government"

Eh? They are already!
19

Megan H,

14/10/2008 13:34:49
#15 Could it have been any worse. This is what happened being part of the UK. At least an independent Scotland would have been able to react faster and there is every chance that better governance would have been in place to prevent the bad practises that took place.
20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 13:42:13
19 complete conjecture.

Anyway , Edinburgh is left with Standard Life being (arguably) the only large scottish company.
21

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 13:54:56



#19 yes, I see Alex Salmond was holding up Iceland as a model small-nation economy not long ago.

**** knows how deep we'd be in if Alex had been in charge.
22

Big T,

14/10/2008 13:58:25
#17

"Greedy git's don't win everytime"????

Something tells me that with a nest egg of around £6m and a £500m+ annual pension, Sir Fred has!!!

(SIR Fred - what a joke!!!)
23

Megan H,

14/10/2008 13:59:41
#19 It couldn't get much worse. We are talking about our major banks nearly going under.
Why hold up Iceland as an example why not compare us to Norway, Ireland, Denmark etc. There will always be losers. The HUGE USA hasn't exactly done well and Britain is still deep in the mire.

The problem has not gone away
24

Big T,

14/10/2008 14:00:33
#20

Ah, Standard Life.

Would that be the Company that pays out for huge salaries, bonuses and perks to senior management as their customers pensions are going down the swanny??
25

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 14:02:03

#22 - Fred also got an obsequious letter of support in The Scotsman yesterday, signed by Jenny Dawe.

Fred's probably got it in an Ikea klipframe in his shed.

Pity poor Fred The Shed, in his shed listening to Radio 4 and greeting into a gro-bag.
26

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 14:04:12

I bet Fred The Shed's fave music is

1. Pickettywitch
2. Level 42
3. Travis
4. Dire Straits
5. Clock DVA
6. Whitney Houston
7. Huey Lewis & The News
8. Genesis
9. Shed 7
10. Whale music
27

antifa,

14/10/2008 14:06:38
19 - what is the good of deluding yourself in this way? Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that an independent Scotland would have sought to strengthen financial regulation?

Given the size of HBOS and RBS relative to the rest of the Scottish economy, I would say there is precisely no chance that Salmond and Co would have "got tough" with the banks.

If you can point to any statements or policy documents that suggest the contrary, please do.

Let's face facts. The SNp remain the best party available in Holyrood but independence is dead for the time being.

We have no idea what will happen to Scotland's economy over the next few years. The signs are not good. If a referendum does come in 2010 (which is now in doubt) I'm afraid it will not go the SNP's way.
28

SS,

14/10/2008 14:11:01
I suspect over time the RBS hq will move out of Edinburgh preceeded by HBOS. With the disgrace that is Princes St, the monumentally self indulgent tram project and associated disruption, I would say that Edinburgh is in for a particularly tough time on many fronts; Bankers will relocate, shops will downsize due to falling sales, the tourist trade will falter as international visitors get squeezed too - net result, unemployment up. The once infallible housing market will continue to slide.

There you go, Trams, Princes St, credit crunch, house prices & tourists in one piece - kind of sums the EEN up :-).
29

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 14:11:03
26 he does strike me as a Dire Straits man.

Money for nothing , and your cheques for a monthly fee.
30

ERIN GO BRAGH,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 14:16:58
# 27. The best post of the day unlike the drivel we have had from Joe Smith, Billy McD and The Genuine Mario Antoinette, who it would appear have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Boys, not everything in the press is true and correct. Infact, it's usually nonsense. As for the SNP......dream on.
31

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 14:22:58

Andy Hornby's favourite music - check the listings for Henry's Cellar Bar 22 Oct, 8pm.




32

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 14:23:09
30 what you talking about ? I just told you the future :-

"I dont think RBS are going anywhere fast and the next government (probably conservative unless you think you know better) will re-privatise them. Expect the same nonsense again in 25 years time.

House prices to fall by 50% . Thats according to the dean of harvard.

Diversify. Mental Health is the new boom industry."
33

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 14:26:34

I blame white people especially the ones that have been gifted a touch of the ging
34

subrosa,

14/10/2008 14:33:19
Lots of unionists conveniently forget that it was Alex Salmond who, a week past Wednesday, told Gordon Brown to do what he's now done.

Speak about dithering! The RBS could have been fine if Brown and Darling had acted quicker and even BOS could perhaps have stayed afloat.

This is manipulation at its very worse, criminal in fact.
35

ERIN GO BRAGH,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 14:35:33
AS I said, 32, you talk nonsense about a subject you know nothing about. You read a very dubious report about one of the biggest Banking groups in the world and make silly statements about the CEO who was partly responsible for making it as big as it is ! Are you sure you are not a sun reader? By the way, take Joe Smith Back to Moscow with you and if you can tell me the future, tell me the winner of the 3:40 at leicester today !!
36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 14:36:25
34 why dont you just shutup , buy RBS shares and watch your money treble within a year ?
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 14:37:50
35 theres better and easier ways to gamble.
38

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 14:39:03
35 , see 1. I've also worked in banking since you were dreaming of your first call centre job.
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Calum10,

14/10/2008 15:20:56
The reality here is that both RBOS and HBOS are to be carted off to London and sold on to the highest bidders. They are no longer Scottish banks.

This is an utter humiliation for Scotland and it is Scottish bankers and Scottish Labour politicians to blame.
41

George Per,

Athens, Greece 14/10/2008 15:36:37
As a friend of Scotland, I must express my sympathy for the problems created to its economy by the reckless acts of RBS and HBOS.

I have been working for RBS in Greece for 32 years and retired at the end of 2006. All through these years, I never met anyone who liked Sir Fred the Shred. He was hated by all, from directors down to the messengers for his arrogance, megalomania and ruthless management. All that everyone felt was FEAR. I have many stories to tell but this is not the proper time or place. Just a couple: everybody in his London HQ knew about the specially made stair to get to his penthouse office which was only made for his fine shoes. And everybody in RBS knows that the corporate carpets fitted to thousands of branches were personally selected by his wife who is an interior designer.

After Sir Fred took over the position of CEO, everyone was uncertain about his/her future with the Bank and rightly so, since we were all the time learning about thousands of redundancies necessary to fulfill his megalomaniac expansions.

Don't feel pity for him. He managed to destroy a 300-year old Bank. Don't be surprised if you see him on top of another organisation in a couple of years, just feel pity for the organisation's future.

These "golden boys" never lose. He has collected and will continue to collect millions of pounds, one way or another. If only he and his likes had ever worked in their life, they would be different.

I love Scotland and was in Edinburgh on holidays for a week last June. I promise to come back and travel throughout the country. Don't feel bad. You lost Sir Fred (what a big loss) but you still have your pride and dignity. That counts a lot more than a rascal.
42

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 15:42:21
Efcharisto George and good luck.
43

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 15:54:43
#23 - "At least an independent Scotland would have been able to react faster and there is every chance that better governance would have been in place to prevent the bad practises that took place"

Pious garbage. At no point prior to the current situation had Salmond given any indication either that he thought economic trouble was on the way, or that he had any plans as future King of an independent Scotland to put any significant restrictions on free trade or the movement of foreign capital. On the contrary, he was cosying up to big business at every available opportunity telling them how an independent Scotland would be a great place to come and make their fortunes. Salmond talking left and acting right - no change there then.

His current bombastic pronouncements after the event are just another example of the Gnats' talent for leaving no passing bandwagon knowingly unjumped. Recent events have exposed Salmond and his rat-pack for what they are - mere Gnat-bites on the very large backside of the global economy.
44

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 14/10/2008 15:56:12
Where does the National Westminster Bank, a subsidery of the Royal Bank come into this as they were/still are a burden on the RB as they have so many problems.

there is something wrong with all the big banks paying so much out to top brass. This CEO should be ashamed to accept his pension.

They have lived so long not being accountable to anybody - spent what they liked on themselves, increased charges etc when they liked so hopefully now we may see a real bank for the people evolve.

Perhaps in future we might have to go to India to cash a cheque or speak with a bank manager!!

45

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 16:10:08

#43 Gnat bites, gnat trolls. You can gnat be serious
46

ERIN GO BRAGH,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 16:17:26
#36, 37 and 38. You worked in the bank when they were using deposit books and saving stamps. By the way, I've never had a call centre job, but I am a third level IT specialist for a major bank. I'll leave you to guess which one :-)
47

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 16:22:34

#46 - the 3:40 at leicester was won by Greeting Stockbroker.

48

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 14/10/2008 16:35:30
Can you imagine John Swinney or Nicola Sturgeon at a high-powered meeting of world bankers . God help us . Labour are awful but the esh en pee are pure amateurs .
49

FrankGallagher,

14/10/2008 16:53:48
46

Is it the baby gravy bank?
50

alex.d.,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 17:07:31
20# that is correct, I cant agree more. ridiculous wages and bonuses to go on top. If you earn big fat wages why bonuses as well. As you say I dont see our investments making the money they are taking out of the company
51

rs,

in ma house 14/10/2008 17:20:21
They always say that the Price of Shares can go up and can go down in value and that share investments has its risks!

Roger Lawson, director of the UK Shareholders Association, ......He said he had personally lost £50,000 ... how much did he pay ...and doesn't he practice what he preaches.
52

rs,

in ma house 14/10/2008 17:22:44
'I do feel sad . . It is very painful for everyone and I'm a shareholder too'DEPARTING Royal Bank of Scotland boss Sir Fred Goodwin has spoken of his sadness

well Mr Goodwin the Buck (which was part of The RBOS downfall) stops with you and you have fallen on your own sword.
53

rs,

in ma house 14/10/2008 17:25:06
Mr Goodwin and a good pension for your mismanagement!
54

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 17:33:13
a "third level" It specialist ? get yourself out contracting then and stop clinging to the apron strings of this bunch of sad self congratulatory idiots.
55

Megan H,

14/10/2008 18:00:35
#48 yes I can see both of them there. Alex Salmond already has meetings with these very same people.

The Genuine Mario Antoinette, You are a self opinionated bufoon who believes he/she has the right to boss people about. Not everyone can be a contractor therefore your advice at#54 is totally unhelpful
56

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/10/2008 18:04:08
calling me self opinionated isnt an insult megan. learn to think for yourself.
57

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 14/10/2008 18:08:14

How do you get triangles from a (cash) cow?

You need butter, milk, cheese and an equi-angular chainsaw.
58

Joe,

Regent Road 14/10/2008 18:54:28
Edinburgh is slowly being robbed of it's assets by the SNP..like every party before them..
59

Sassenach Observer,

14/10/2008 19:05:42
If the HBOS's woes were all nothing to do with Scotland and entirely down to the evil English "Haliban", do you think RBS's downfall might have been all due to "Al QNatWestaeda"?

Personally, I think that Chairman Eck should declare UDI forthwith, close the border, personally guarantee all genuine Scots deposits (with possibly a free school dinner for every account holder wearing a kilt)with the Airdrie Savings Bank, as the only remaining Scottish financial institution, being responsible for new Scots currency - 100 mickles = 1 muckle.

All you doubters will be obviously be wondering how Eck will finance the new Utopia. The answer is quite simple. He just has to wait for the promised return of a certain bald wife-beating ex-milkboy and then tax the hell out of the smug tw*t
60

Toast,

14/10/2008 19:52:12
"friendship and support" aye right Fred,what world do you live in,you are loathed by just about everybody who knows or has ever met you,you believe your own press ya tube.
61

Julian.,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 22:07:07
"Unite joint general secretary Derek Simpson said he wanted to see undertakings by the banks of no job losses, no repossessions"

Typical left wing cr&p. So if people aren't paying their mortgage their house won't get repossessed. Maybe we should all stop paying out mortgages. As for no job losses, why should the taxpayer pay for people to be kept in work when there's no work to do? As I said, left wing dogma.
62

Julian.,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 22:12:01
#59,

RBS bought NatWest. You can hardly blame the latter for bringing them down. As for Halifax, where's your evidence? All the data I've seen shows the Scottish part of the merged group being just as irresponsible with it's lending.
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THE BPRENTICE,

we need more credit unions ... its the way forward 14/10/2008 23:16:13
#4 Black Five,

"I think R B S will be taken over as they are as what the man in Dad`s Army said ...doomed."
...totally agree AND the quote from Dad's Army is genius: btw it was Fraser that said "we're doomed" ...

Fraser also said after being asked why he kept his money under his bed:

"I don't like banks, I don't like bankers and I don't like YOU". ahaaa I hope Fraser's bed didn't collapse!Dad's Army was clearly decades before its time.
















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THE BPRENTICE,

14/10/2008 23:17:50
As for anyone saying that the CEO's of companies are not to blame? They should read up more about what's going on.

Not too long ago the banks didn't have the 620bn underfunding problem; the CEO's got greedy and thinking they were being "dynamic" decided to treat their investment portfolios like they were daytraders in the City. They should pay back any bonuses they've been paid over the past 2 years.

I wonder if the US govt bailed out Lehmans Bank instead of just letting it burn if the world economies would have tumbled?








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THE BPRENTICE,

14/10/2008 23:18:08
Several months ago I heard a guy on radio four talking about his book he'd just written about life as a 'Master of the Universe' in the city - they all seem to make hundreds of thousands and they call everyone not involved in the gravy train of gambling "pond life".

Over the past 2 years the US had made regulations tougher, so a lot of companies were moving to London - I guess we reap what we sow.
66

Sassenach Observer,

15/10/2008 11:24:24
#62 I suggest you read my post again.
67

Great !,

Edinburgh 15/10/2008 17:35:00
Shows you what a shower of Bankers can do !

 

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