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Published Date: 18 October 2008
EDINBURGH'S parking rules and regulations have handed the city council a record-breaking £20 million from motorists.
The income from fines, pay-and-display tickets, and residential parking permits soared by more than £3m in the last financial year, according to new figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The increase is largely the result of an expansion of the "controlled parking zone", which now takes in several city suburbs.

Critics today accused the council of using drivers as an "easy target" to help tackle its financial woes.

The local authority insisted, however, that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital.

Between 2003 and 2007, the council's parking revenue rose marginally from £16.6m, before last year's sudden 18 per cent increase. The largest source of income came from pay-and-display tickets – up from £9.88m in 2006-07 to £11.58m last year.

Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: "Far fewer people are driving into the city centre, so this is because there's been an extension to the controlled parking zone.

"It's actually less about controlling parking, and more about bringing in as much money as possible to recoup the losses from the congestion charging plans. They have not forgiven us for that.

"In all honesty, this is because the council is desperate for cash and motorists are an easy target."

The council has a contract with NCP to enforce parking rules, and last year that cost £4.48m. On top of that, the council paid out over £400,000 to maintain ticket machines.

The income included £6.75m from fines – over £1m more than the previous year, but less than the three years before that.

Many city centre streets, including George Street, Chambers Street and Melville Street, recorded big drops in the number of penalties, while less congested roads away from the centre emerged as the new ticket hotspots.

Council leaders believe the drop is down to better use of Edinburgh's variety of parking options, but business leaders say the falling number of city centre shoppers is the real explanation.

Nigel Duncan, vice chairman of the Federation of Small Businesses Edinburgh, said: "The council is getting a windfall, but that's to the detriment of the number of people coming to the city centre.

"Anything that stops people coming in is not good for Edinburgh's economy. If you look around the streets, there's a lack of people vying for parking spaces,

and people from the outside won't come because they think the blue meanies will get them. This sends out the wrong signal."

City transport leader Phil Wheeler said: "The income from parking is ring-fenced and goes straight back into improving the condition of our roads and pavements. This council has budgeted £20m a year over the next three years to address the backlog of repairs and upgrades required for the benefit of people in the city."


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livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 11:05:42
The local authority insisted that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital.

That would be to make it easier to get out of town to visit the new Centre shopping experience in Livingston perhaps, where the local authorities make visitors actually feel welcome?
2

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 18/10/2008 11:22:42
Funny, I thought that the roads budget came from existing funds. The statement that the money is ring fenced for that purpose proves that this is a revenue raising excercise, and has nothing to do with traffic management.
3

Goat Boy,

18/10/2008 11:34:13
"It's actually less about controlling parking, and more about bringing in as much money as possible to recoup the losses from the congestion charging plans. They have not forgiven us for that."

I don’t think it’s a case of not forgiving, it's more a case of having one avenue blocked off, so another route had to be taken. Congestion charging would have targeted the growing commuter problem, but it was blocked and now the residents of Edinburgh have to pay to keep the commuters from turning their streets into car parks. So instead of the commuter having to pay to come into our city, we (the residents) have to pay to keep them out of our street and for the privilege of parking our vehicles outside our own home. Ironic isn’t it.

But "Far fewer people are driving into the city centre, so this is because there's been an extension to the controlled parking zone." so it seems to be working.
4

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 12:36:25
1. I'd like to believe that .... I fear the only transport improvement we'll see out of these ill gotten gains is more civil servants with better cars !

If you want fair policing you cannot allow the local authority to benefit in any way shape or form from fining it's citizens - the money raised through fines should be deducted from their budget by central government and a mandate put in place that ensures that the 'fine' culture is quashed.

Disguising tax as speeding fines and parking fines is eating away at the very fabric of the country and is creating utter contempt for Local Government and the Police. What really rubs salt in the wound and it the final nail in the coffin of any respect we used to have for such authority is when they stand up and tell us 'it's for our own good' !! Disgusting and rotten to the core - it must be stopped

5

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 12:49:00
"Far fewer people are driving into the city centre,

Fewer poor people driving into town, if you can afford an expensive executive saloon or chelsea tractor a few quid here or there for parking is less of a percentage of your disposable income.

Except that most of the revenue taken in the City comes out of the pockets of those poorer folks.

Fast forward a few years and the center of Edinburgh will be like some of its well heeled satelights, dead but for the antique shop the solicitor's and the up market wine bar, oh and those tat shops flogging Chinese tartan souveneres to gullible tourists.
6

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 18/10/2008 13:03:14
Those of us who live in the north of Scotland just laugh at Edinburgh folks' complaints: you took all the money for your tram system leaving us with nothing but single track pot-holed roads, which are very dangerous. You can all stew in your juice now.
7

Charles MN,

18/10/2008 13:04:17
"The local authority insisted, however, that all money is ring-fenced for transport improvements in the Capital."

That is just a straight lie. The money is just used to reduce the amount spent on roads from CEC's budget.
8

SPG,

edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:07:04
What! And here's me believing the useless Edinburgh spiv council tripe that the residents charge only just covered the admin costs.
9

Gie's a break,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:07:20
With this and all the money supposedly generated for the city from tourism I am surprised I need to pay any Council Tax at all. I have no doubt our truly "fit for purpose" Council will make the necessary adjustments for 2009/10, heaven forbid they would do anything as stupid, such as needlessly wasting our money by zipping about in taxis!!
10

MickyFinn,

Livingston 18/10/2008 13:33:07
Nothing like an own goal by good old Townie Councilors, lets persecute the motorists keeping them out the city, create road works for a public transport system looking doomed from the start losing money for shop keepers. People look elsewhere and on finding a better option keep to it.
Here is to tacky tourist shops, empty units, extortionate cafes and restaurant's, ooops thats already in place.
Typical Townies up there own b**ksides
11

Micjonger,

Peterborough 18/10/2008 13:35:41
If everyone parked properly,and everyone kept within the speed limit,it would be uneconomical to employ traffic wardens and install/maintain speed cameras.
Think of the amount of cash which would be saved in towns and cities throughout the country,and the saving in unnecessary deaths.
12

Toast,

18/10/2008 13:40:01
Unless you work in the centre of Edinburgh there is no reason ever to visit,it is a grubby tourist trap full of discount shops selling tack,add to that the fact that there is not one single road without a bl**dy great hole in it and not a workman to be seen,boycott Edinburgh "the roadworks capital of Eupope"
13

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 18/10/2008 13:49:56
Bring in capital punishment for selfish parkers. That would zero the problem over night.
14

the bard,

edinburgh 18/10/2008 13:52:27
# 12- sadly you are right.

I never drive into town if i can at all avoid it ( had to on Thursday and remembered why i dont!).

I only ever get the bus in; save money on the pay and display alone never mind the petrol.

council have made it a horrible experience going into town; such a shame.
15

PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 14:21:21
#6 - you people make me laugh so much - Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe yet has an antiquated road system. For years people have been demanding a by-pass. Now there are plans for one, no-one can decide where it should go - you have had over 25 years to decide. Give us a break!
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livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 15:06:27
16 PaulB,
Any ideas when the A82 at Pulpit Rock is going to be restored to two lanes?
This is the main trunk route between Glasgow and the North West and yet it has taken three decades and more to have tenders put out to look into perhaps maybe thinking about a repair, or even(put up brolley for flying pigs) a Crianlarich by-pass?

As for Edinburgh and having a laugh, how many transport white elephants have the city father's been responsible for?
17

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 15:07:21
city fathers
18

subrosa,

18/10/2008 15:45:45
# 12

Agree with you. I had to go to Edinburgh centre last Sunday to meet a dear friend for lunch. It was a nightmare. Hoards of tourists, tinny music played from tat gift shops, more road works than I've ever seen (and I've seen quite a lot). The whole place has completely lost its wonderful atmosphere of grandeur and quality.
I won't be returning as I prefer to keep my memories of Edinburgh as they were when I lived there in the 70s.
19

Mr Meadowbank,

@ home 18/10/2008 15:54:43
drink 2 cans of k cider 8.4% - it makes it look so much better 'edinburgh'
20

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 15:56:20
#6 Clearly a yokel idiot that knows no better. You always have pot holde roads up there so why change? Take the chip of your shoulder and throw some more peat on your fire.

Personally I am in favour of the tickets and the fines keep them coming. Car drivers need lessons and real slow to learn. Hit them in their pocket I say.
21

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 16:07:46
#19
Good idea. Stay away. Who wants people like you with your daft memories? The seventies was a woeful time of building and waste. What decade do you think the St James Centre was built in? The seventies. Now off you go back to Narnia.
22

tumshie heid,

18/10/2008 16:39:30
#22 Aye but the kinetic statue at Picardy Place was magic! Well maybe the once when the lights worked...
23

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 16:59:57
#23
You just supplied another nightmare of building for me right there. That kinetic thing was another tragedy. Just goes to prove that dolts like number #19 really have no clue and live in a time bubble. Bet he/she lives in some village trapped in the past.
24

Pond Hall,

18/10/2008 17:24:34
Bit of a misleading headline, you'd think they'd raked in £20m

and its only £3m in the last financial year, still alot of money.

simple solution, obey the parking regulations and the wardens would be out of a job ASAP!
25

mystic,

Edinburgh 18/10/2008 17:49:29
They'll do anything to make some easy money. Absolutely immoral.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
26

GR,

18/10/2008 18:21:04
No 1 - I was at Livingstone today, and it's free to park all day if you want to - unfortunately this will not last for long, W.Lothian Council already have plans to introduce car parking charges - hopefully they don't consult Edinburgh on how much to charge.

No 6 - You must be new to this, Edinburgh Folk have stated repeatedly, we don't want the trams, we don't need them,they will not pay for themselves, ever. Blame your politicians.
27

capy,

embra 18/10/2008 18:36:32
I spoke to Cllr Burns the then Transport guru on the council,on Talk 107 a while back. I was told that all the changes would be "revenue neutral" ha.
And if this money is being put back into the roads and transport budget, i see little evidence of it.
Even away from the total chaos of the Tram works, every other road is dug up put back and dug up again.
No thought given to the order the work is carried out. If i didnt no better i would say all this is done on purpose.!!!If you think that a bit of free parking here and ther will drag folk back to the city centre then you live in a different world. Ocean terminal/Gyle and Livingston for me. End of rant.
28

Jenny MacArthur,

18/10/2008 19:12:05
What better way to raise money for public finances could there be than to have a tax on the selfish, antisocial idiots who can't understand simple rules put in place to protect us all from their couldn't-care-about-anyone-but-themselves behaviour? The more taxes are moved towards raising money from moronic idiots and away from basic needs like food and jobs, the better! Ignore the whining selfish gits who don't care for anything but their own convenience.
29

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 19:44:39
What I find reeally funny are all those signs as you approach Edinburgh from any direction reading "Major rodworks at (fill in the blank). Use alternative route."

Is there ANY alternative route that does NOT have major roadworks on it? City is a complete shambles and to think I used to be proud of saying I came from Edinburgh. And that's why I now live outside of it.

Does the council honestly believe that 'budgeting (n.b. not commiting to spend) £20m a year over the next three years to address the backlog of repairs and upgrades' is even going to scratch the surface (pun intended) of the third world state of Edinburgh's roads?
30

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 19:45:56
"Major roadworks"
31

Jambo-ree,

18/10/2008 20:06:10
#32 - You forgot trams ;o)
32

Fae Fife,

Bainbridge island 18/10/2008 20:17:04
Gorgie Tony got it right...car drivers make a choice to drive and need a place to park. Don't like the charge for parking? Then don't drive. Edinburgh has a great bus service (day pass about the same as a few hours of parking), so what's the problem? So what if the council is making some money out of parking - the rest of us have to pay for the cost of the policing, hospitals, air and noise pollution as a result of all those folks who choose to drive. Such costs are socialised across all Edinburgh residents, even the folks who don't own cars or don't drive. The free lunch (and free or cheap parking) is over, car drivers. Deal with it by choosing to take public transportation, walk or bike or keep digging into your wallet and quit carping about the price of parking. For four decades the city has been all too accommodating for cars and now things are beginning to turn. Edinburgh will be better in the long run for having fewer cars clogging its roads.
33

Plantagenet,

18/10/2008 21:21:26
I would suggest that the Cooncil take some of their 'ill-gotten gains' and invest them in sending some of their parking wardens to 'charm school'. My wife recently fell foul of a most obnoxious female warden in Morningside, when parking my wife discovered that the only ticket machine in sight was broken and she decided to leave a note on her windscreen saying so. She informed the said warden of the situation and was subjected to a tirade of scorn bordering on abuse and told if she didn't find a 'working' ticket machine soon and get a paid up ticket on her car she would be booked. I was livid when I heard of this and bombed down to Morningside to confront this little fascist but, fortunately for her she had disappeared, (perhaps fortunate for me too).
34

Davie Lad,

Edin 18/10/2008 21:53:15
#36
Dry your eyes. Thats what your wife gets for dodging paying for the tickets in the first place. "only ticket machine in sight" what a load of cobblers man.
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livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 23:38:13
Jenny MacArthur, Gorgie Tony Fae Fife
I am one of those despised creatures who drives a car in Edinburgh, but I assure you it is not by choice I am paid to do it. I was up in the castle the other day and my how it has changed since the last time I was there when I paid to get in. I got to park in the castle for free.

I could not lug my bootfull of tools and equipment on public transport any more than I could get my weekly shopping onto a bus or tram, even if you paid me to do that too. Bad enoughy humphing my tools from John Lewis's car park up the Mound.

Folks like me who have families and who work for a living are not thrilled by the attitude of councillors and bloggers in Edinburgh.
When company exec saloon drivers take their cash and jobs with them out of Edinburgh and your fine Waterfront developments return from whenst they came, you can sit smugly in your New Pilton utopia or stroll contentedly along empty former shopping streets and say 'I did that'.

You will be welcome to it.
36

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/10/2008 23:51:43
all.you.car.drivers.are.paying.for.the.new.trams
37

livilion,

livingston 18/10/2008 23:54:56
36 Plantagenet,
I parked outside the hotel in Hill Place and asked the warden for advice as the hotel needed me to do some essential work to ensure their customers' safety.
The hotel had no parking spaces left and there were no bays available within walking distance carrying equipment. He let me park outwith the designated parking zone to get the work done, same thing happened at the Mansfield Traquair Centre.


So not all parking attendants have no daddies, even if the first time there it was raining and the yellow perils were indoors drinking coffee I came out to find a £60 ticket on my windscreen, they are only obeying orders.
38

Davie Lad,

Edin 19/10/2008 09:43:50
#30
Enlighten us please as to the Third World place you live in now? This seems to be absent from your girning blog here. Since you now live outside, as Edinburgh is obviously too shocking for you to stay here, let me be the first to extend the dinnnae bother coming back hand of friendship! Moaning ar$e.
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Davie Lad,

Edin 19/10/2008 09:48:58
#38
All this $hit from someone living in Livingston??! You can rest easy living in that dive. A dirtier hell hole never existed I am sure. Full of schemies,drunks and idiots that think they have found a new heaven. Get real man! Best you stay away too. Your unlikely to be missed.
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tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 10:16:37
Tony you have breathing problems because you don't stop for air when moaning.
Of course you can do your Christmas shopping by bus as afterall a piece of cuttlefish for your budgie isn't exactly heavy is it?
You are a nerd of the highest order and I urge teenagers in Gorgie to feel free to randomly abuse/throw chips at you when they feel like it!
41

calum,

19/10/2008 11:49:21
Gorgie_Tony - "bottom of the heap", eh? You are the "heap of the bottom", old man. Now, go and change into your frock and return as Jenny MacArthur.
42

James (1),

19/10/2008 13:16:23
I would think that any person who looks at the charges being heaped onto drivers would agree that this has always been about bringing in money and nothing to do with trying to reduce traffic.
That is the beauty of this scam. Make out you are trying to reduce traffic because how can you be against that?
The biggest money making lie is that the controlled parking zones are for the benefit of the residents.
Prove it by giving lowering the cost of the permit!
Motorists just have to get on with what they do. Trademan pass on the cost of parking to the customer. Motorists shop out of town.
Parking charges are here to stay because they bring in so much money for so little outlay.
43

calum,

19/10/2008 13:35:07
#47 - aw, diddums, is poor wee Gory_Tony upset again. Away and put on your wee pink slippers and stamp your feet.
By the way, how did you get on with your complaint to the polis about some laddies throwing a chip at you? Have you complained about them not coming to see you ......or did you do the sensible thing and go and see them? Have they been thrashed ..... or leathered .....or beaten .......or dragged over broken glass ......or given mustrad gas? Never mind, the clinic will be open again tomorrow and you can get a stronger syringeful of whatever you need. Anyway, byeeee GT (that's a car, isn't it?), I've already wasted more time on you than you deserve.
44

One-man-bucket's older twin,

19/10/2008 14:03:35
Gorgie Tony - I have to use my car because the buses are full of jealous carless paupers blocking the seats and aisles with their gorceries and christmas shopping, and there's no room for me.
45

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 15:03:55
Gorgie Tony, it seems the only one making a total fool of themself is you. You appear to be a misogynistic psychopath - throwing women in jail?!?. I'm sure you know that the police do not have the power to do as you suggest, thankfully. That is up to the courts.
I've seen your posts before and you seem obsessed with violence (thtrashings et al) and hatred of women (as above). Have you considered speaking to your doctor about it while you're in seeing him (well, it won't be her) about your weak chest?
46

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/10/2008 15:38:20
On parking fines I would urge civil disobedience as with speeding fines ... it is TAX pure and simple and they are making the rules increasinly complex and hard to follow in order to confuse you into 'offending' or simply making it impossible to go about your daily business without 'offending' ....

I for one will not pay another parking fine EVER nor will I pay a speeding fine or attend a court unless I am forced to so under Police escort. This country is run by selfish militant fools and I am not jumping through their silly little hoops any more ... enough is enough !
47

tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 15:43:48
Whats the matter Tony? Did you fail your driving test whilst dressed as "Jenny Mac"
Inadequates like you deserve to be sitting on the bus watching enviously as people with more money glide past in their personal vehicles. They also have the luxury of not sharing it with cretins like you.
48

calum,

19/10/2008 16:08:39
#53, I think you've called that correctly. Sadly, these forums attract that sort of person who are "on the edge" as it were. This guy rants and raves and gets pelters from many others but he doesn't seem to realise that they're winding him up. He's at least in his late 70s (according to his other posts) so perhaps he needs help. Best ignored if he won't get help himself.
49

The Squirrel,

Woodlands and municipal parklands 19/10/2008 16:54:32
The TW's are worse than pigeons.
50

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:09:00
#57 - Yes, I guess you're right. Cheers
51

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:14:15
PS - mind you, I find it odd that he's lecturing people about breaking the law and yet that is exactly what he wants the police to do with confiscations, locking up, beatings etc. etc.. And no doubt he didn't bother to offer himself as a witness at Torphichen Place Police Station to the atrocious driving he alleges he saw. I suppose that's what schizophrenia does foir you.
52

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:17:49
#66 - I didn't make any comment about your age but Calum at #57 did. I was agreeing with the sentiment and the more you continue the more that view and those of others seem correct. What was that about reading posts correctly?
53

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 17:35:00
#70 - Apologise to you? No. And you chose not to report the matter to the police? It seems that you are the one who is lazy and apathetic. But I shall resist the temptation to hurl mindless insults like "clown". Anyone joining or reading can clearly see who the clown is for themselves. Goodnight.
54

The Squirrel,

Trees 19/10/2008 17:41:03
I'd rather be a squirrel than a clown, yes I would.
55

calum,

19/10/2008 17:44:02
ConnorD - For your information, this Gorgie Tony has been on and on and on about this "assault" for months -
A brief summary (from information given by the man himself):
The "assault" consisted of a youth throwing a chip at him.
The abuse was name calling....
He phoned the police and he alleges they never attended his "cry for help".
He has been given information and a weblink about how to complain about the Police but has never used them.
He claims to have served "King and Country" for several years so that must place him at least in his late 70s otherwise he is .....eh, "mistaken".
His views take on the extreme - he constantly goes on and on about the police dishing out thrashings, beatings, throwing people in prison, dragging car drivers out of the front windscreens of their cars, firing mustard gas at them etc. etc. Does this give you the picture of what this creature is?
As I say, he is best ignored.
56

calum,

19/10/2008 18:31:41
#73 has not gone silent. He's had his dinner and shortly he'll take the dog for a walk...... it's what is called "Having a Life".
You have got serious problems, old man.
"The police then smash every window in the car. The driver and occupants are then dragged out the car through the broken windows. What happens next - the mustard gas is sprayed in their face, they are all batoned, and the dog gives them all a good mauling."
See what I mean. You have an obssession with violence. I can just picture you watching all these fly on the walll shows on Sky and there's you ..... salivating and sweating. It's not for the Police to dish out punishments by proxy for the likes of you, that is for the Courts.
BTW, it's not mustard gas, that is illegal. It's not even a gas. It's CS spray. Pay atention when you watch these shows.
57

calum,

19/10/2008 18:32:52
PS- You're not Alex Orr of Bryson Road are you?
58

Bertie The Bat,

19/10/2008 18:57:37
Ah.... The Cooncil!

NCP.... Nasty Council Pi$$heads!
59

calum,

19/10/2008 19:06:24
#79 - You've really lost the plot now. The Army on the streets of Edinburgh? That was the solution used by a certain Austrian (in your lifetime, btw) who decided exactly that and isolated and elimated any group that didn't suit the Master Plan ...... and under that kind of regime you would have been elimated. Coincidentally, he planned to make Edinburgh his northern capital.
You really are a crazy old man. End of. Goodnight. No more time to waste on you.
60

The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:09:41
#79

I got a chip lobbed at me on Gorgie Road once. I wished it had been a brazil nut.
61

The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:10:27
#82

No, you're thinking of them pesky critters the grey squirrels.
62

tumshie heid,

19/10/2008 20:13:32
Send in the army Tony! They will make short work of any errant teenager throwing chips.
If you do carry on like your online persona(s) in real life then I'm not surprised that these incidents keep on happening to you.
You are a deranged muppet who is nothing but a pimple on the backside of humanity.
Where is Jenny just now anyway?
63

The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:18:16
All that fuss over a chip, Tony. What would you have done if they'd thrown the full fish supper at you?
64

The Squirrel,

Dalry Graveyard 19/10/2008 20:20:31
#85 - yes, it's a decent graveyard. A lot of ghosts there though, but they're mainly the ghosts of maingy pigeons. They don't scare me. Much.
65

ConnorD,

19/10/2008 20:20:40
#73 - Thanks, you are correct, he is best left alone to his weird fantasies.
Tell you what, though, with all his rantings about youngsters and his seeming fascination with physical abuse, I just hope there are no young families or young laddies about in his neighbourhood, just in case this loony gives one of them a doing.
Gorgie Tony, don't bother commenting, you are worthless.
66

The Squirrel,

The Park 19/10/2008 20:28:41
I haven't seen a beaver in nearly three days.
67

edinburgh_rip_off,

livingston 19/10/2008 22:43:07
I have to agree with comment #1 I used to live in edinburgh,but find it run just for tourists and not in any way friendly to the people who have to live,work and park hence i am looking for new employment after 14 years in the nhs(just like so many others)all because i have had enough of the city being so anti-car....and ripping the motorist off,so good luck to all you patients its you who will suffer.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/10/2008 06:15:26
Gorgie Tony and RS.

I look forward to spending time in jail at your expense if that's what it takes.

Even the brainwashed like yourselves MUST see tyranny in the relentless and sustained assault on Motorists .... ?

You ask if I think I am above the law ? No, I don't .... but where the law is being abused and serves a cash raising agenda with little regard to the actual ethos of the law then I do not think I am above the law I think the law is below ALL of us and we are being conned !

It is our sense of decency and fair play that are being used as weapons against us by our own local governments - argue all you like about the the validity of the road safety angle on speed - may I ask why the government doesn't put speed camera's out side schools but on long straights where doing 70 or 80 is as safe a houses ! - May I ask why the council introduced parking wardens with targets and 'bonus' schemes whilst reducing the amount of free parking in Edinburgh by two thirds ?

I suppose if they made up a law that said you have to roll in horse manure every Wednesday because this will promote safe driving you would believe them and cheerfully go along with it !

Some of us KNOW exactly what's going on here and it is time to make a stand against those who are gradually enslaving us ....

If you want to help in the struggle against cash grabbing councils ... then the next time you get a parking fine or a speeding fine at very least ask them to produce the evidence - photographic and otherwise ... this will at least make them work a bit harder for their 'protection' money and does not effect your fine at all -- preferably just don't pay -- they have no space in jail anyway for petty 'offenders' ... and if we do end up in jail it three squares a day, satellite TV, Sports, Chinese takeaways, benefits and rehabilitation ... !!
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James (1),

20/10/2008 11:42:07
#73 good insight but what ward is he in?
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geekpie,

forfar 20/10/2008 16:58:19
As those who were watching the Ireland to Australia TV programme, these sort of offences are dealt with far more severely in Aus, much bigger fines, than over here.
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undercover pa,

edin 20/10/2008 21:41:25
#36 what a sham did you wife spit the dummy out gosh got PCN for going shopping that PA is doing her job and idiots like you wife dont read what is written on the machine it tlls you "if machine is not working park elsewhere " not put on a note and we will ignore the car these are the easy PCN thanks
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 00:25:12
Aye RS ... what a pitiful soul you are. No fight left in you just roll over and let the government tickle your belly. Righteous, hell, I'd bet you don't even know the meaning of the word 'mischief'! I bet before you have any fun whatsoever you refer to the government hand book on 'how to have fun' just to check your doing it right!

Why must we obey laws that are fundamentally flawed ? Where did any of us sign the mandate that trumped up little council officials ruled our lives?

The whole point of my posts are simply this. If you apply common sense on the roads you are not a dangerous driver - ever! I believe in a concept called 'safe speed' that is it is clearly safer to go slowly in towns particularly in heavily managed and/or heavily populated areas ... but similarly I simply do not believe it is dangerous to do 80mph on some parts of 'A' road when the conditions are right and that most cars and drivers are capable of an extremely safe 80-90mph on the motorway (they do it anyway !).

The crazy thing is that if the government/local council was serious about reducing accidents/deaths they would put their countermeasures around schools and other dangerous crossroads etc - but they do not ... they artificially lower speed limits on pieces of road for no other reason than to 'catch' motorists who happen to notice that there IS no good reason for the speed limit.

As for parking fines - again common sense should apply and the local council is causing people to offend by changing parking rules, putting yellow lines everywhere and making sure there are less parking spaces than cars by a large margin. If you overrun by 10 mins I don't think you are a 'selfish' driver and shouldn't be liable to any fine. But the council disagrees because they want our cash - nothing more.

When the law is so squarely aimed to victimise and rob so many common decent folk it is not time for these folk to bow down and capitulate it is time for the government to do something about
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 00:27:47
... the acute erosion of trust between the people and the authorities. To long have they been listening to the Jenny Mac's the RSs, and the Gorgie Tony's of this world who represent a screaming minority of road 'safety' fascists. It is time they listened to the voice of reason and got the respect of the people, as a whole, back ....


 

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