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Published Date: 06 March 2008
BUS passengers could be hit with a 10p fare hike from next month, it emerged today.


The Evening News has learned Lothian Buses chiefs are considering the move to fill a massive financial black hole, which could also lead to service cutbacks in the evenings and on Sundays.

The council-owned company today insisted no rise had yet been agreed, but insiders admitted a fare hike was "highly likely".

It comes after the Scottish Government froze a rebate to transport operators used to cover rises in fuel duty, while there is also anger at the "inadequate" level of compensation to cover the cost of free travel for pensioners.

As a result, Lothian Buses is understood to be facing a possible £4 million shortfall in the coming year. Other bus operators across Scotland, including Lothian's main rival First, are also considering what action they will take.

Lothian Buses chairman Pilmar Smith said today: "Lothian Buses has increased the number of passengers it carries each year for the last ten years.

"One of the main factors in achieving that growth has been our affordable fares policy. This policy and the passenger growth is now being jeopardised."

The firm's managing director Ian Craig added: "The increase in tax on bus fuel and the reduction in payments for carrying free concessionary passengers are most unwelcome, and will force us to take action to increase revenue, or cut costs, to balance the books."

Lothian Buses had already drawn up a budget based on keeping its £1 flat fare for a third year. However, a 10p rise either in April or soon afterwards is now thought to be on the cards. Daysaver fares should remain untouched, with Ridacard prices uncertain.

The Westminster government raised fuel duty by 2p per litre in October last year, with a further 2p earmarked for April. Normally, local bus operators avoid these costs through the rebate system, which increases proportionally.

However, the Scottish Government did not award the extra compensation in October and the SNP's budget does not indicate an increase in the £61m rebate for the next three years.

For Lothian Buses, the 4p tax hike is likely to add around £1m to its operating costs, aside from the ever-increasing cost of fuel.

Meanwhile, the Scottish Government's free travel scheme for pensioners and the disabled is already threatening to exhaust its budget.

Around £163m was set aside this year, which is supposed to reimburse bus operators 73 per cent of the average adult fare, but it thought this fell around £3m short of the required amount.

Although the fund is to increase to around £177m in 2008-9, bus operators believe this is inadequate given its popularity.

The Scottish Government included an extra £4m for the fuel duty rebate in February's budget, however operators insist this was not an increase, and only covers a shortfall identified in the figures.

But a government spokesman said: "Scottish Government support for bus services is already considerable, amounting to some £260m per year. Last month, ministers announced an additional £4m for the bus service operators grant, meaning a further seven per cent increase in this grant."

The spokesman claimed Lothian Buses' fuel duty shortfall amounts to £400,000, and he said a 10p increase would generate over £10m for the company. However, Lothian Buses said such a rise would equate to £2.9m.

www.lothianbuses.com





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  • Last Updated: 06 March 2008 11:33 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Transport , Lothian Buses
 
1

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 11:06:05
This just forces more and more people to get the 4 week ticket - this is undoubtedly the marketing strategy of Lothian Buses.

2

mrmoneypenny,

06/03/2008 11:21:11
Public transport prices are a sham, lothian buses was the only one that was very reasonable, now they are soon to go crazy like the rest, whether it originally be their fault or not.
3

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 12:01:08
So what are the SNP government saying about this refusal to continue the fuel rebate? An anti-public transport policy?
4

We are all getting conned!,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 12:01:18
What a joke!!! most people like me can only get to work using public transport and in reality they could charge what they want and most of us would have to pay it!

Lothian busses make a fortune each year and prices keep rising. I think public transport should be going down in price not uo!!
5

We are all getting conned!,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 12:03:26
Number 3. A good point, I was under the impression though that most people would have to get a bus part way to work then a tram the rest of the way and therfore shelling out twice?
6

Xena - Warrior Princess,

06/03/2008 12:04:55
The Chairman said they are so successful because of the affordable fares policy. It was easy and affordable to find £1 for you fare. This will drive people back to using the car.
7

future_architect,

06/03/2008 12:06:29
dont complain to hard. £1.10 is still cheap...in aberdeen a return ticket can cost as much as £5 and the service is not half as good.
8

allknowing,

06/03/2008 12:06:50
ban all these things. Roads work much better without buses/bus lanes and the like!!
9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 12:11:59
#5 How much did Lothian Buses make last year then? Define "fortune"?

Also, remind me, where does profit from Lothian Buses end up?
10

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 12:14:00
If this happens it would be a shame, as the SNP promised to be pro public transport; however their abolition of FRB tolls and their increase in fuel costs for public transport demonstrates that is all just talk and no action - while decreasing costs for car users, they are increasing them for public transport. Having said that, £1.10 would not get you very far in a car at 40p per mile.
11

mig,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 12:16:53
This free OAP travel gives me the boak. How can you justify granting free travel to a 60 year old in full time employment?
12

The Judge,

06/03/2008 12:22:10

The spokesman claimed Lothian Buses' fuel duty shortfall amounts to £400,000, and he said a 10p increase would generate over £10m for the company. However, Lothian Buses said such a rise would equate to £2.9m.

What are they doing with the other £7.1m?

Its not going towards the tramLINE is it?
13

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 12:27:04
#14 I'll wager Lothian Buses knows its own finances better than the Scottish Government does.
14

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 12:31:09
proves one thing you get nothing for Free

The Free travel scheme from what I understand only reimburses the Bus operators a % of the fare.
So effictively the fare paying passengers is having to subsidise them through their Bus Fare as well as there Taxes.
And as no 13 point out, you could effectively be payinf for someone earning £40k a year to travel free ALL over Scotland by bus!!


No5....take a look at Lothians Buses Bus fleet, nice shiney new buses, yes there are a number of old ones still about, but compared to FIRST bus they're in good nick
but by 2010?, they will have a fleet of all low floored buses (execept the 23)

At the end of the day this is the first fare rise in some 2 years for single fares.
Fuel prices up shot up and so have wages.

You get nothing for nought.

Try using FIRST in outlying areas, and you'll find £1.10 is cheap.

No1
£35 a month for travelling by bus is cheap, considering the Bus network that LB operate.

Try using FIRST in non LB areas and you'll find the price of travel is double the price and the bus service offered is poor.

First in NON LB ares charge £50 for 4 weeks for 1 zone, thats £54 a month, and the service is hourly and that doesn't even get you into Edinburgh

15

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 12:31:53
ps watch FIRST increase there fares
16

kiwi007,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 12:36:42
IS THIS TO PAY FOR THE TRAMS ME WONDERS
17

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 06/03/2008 12:37:05
Reality check people. You are moaning about a POTENTIAL 10% increase, after not increase for 2 years and a large increase in fuel costs etc for the companies.

Try to be a little objective about this rather than just whining.
18

SEE YOU JONNY,

06/03/2008 12:38:35
where does it end?? they complain about people using thier cars but how can you encourage people to use public transport if its cheaper to run a car
19

Sarcasm,

06/03/2008 12:50:40
#20
a 10p rise, in the context as #19 says, hardly makes it suddenly economical to run a car.

The last "hike" reported was the 10p a day for school dinners.

A double whammy for you I expect.
20

gggrumpy,

06/03/2008 12:51:27
The orange airport shuttle buses must be costing LRT a fortune, i wonder how much longer they can pretend they are successful?
21

Megan H,

06/03/2008 12:52:54
#20 Get real. How can you run a car for less than £2 a day?
#15 even using Lothian buses figures they would be £2.5m a year better off. Methinks they are just trying to make more profit
22

Keith 1,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:02:22
Edinburgh is very expensive to take a bus - it costs me £1 to go 2 stops! That same £1 can take you from central Edinburgh to as far away as Dalkeith or Musselburgh. Bring back the stage fares please and make it fair!
23

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 06/03/2008 13:04:36
Maybe it's time to drop the exact fare then, £1.10 to go from Penicuik to Tranent (should anyone feel the need) is great but to go 1/2 a mile along the road is grossly unfair. What will happen though is if Lothian increase then so will First to match them pence for pence.
24

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 13:06:15
No20

Let’s see you can get a ride a card for 12 months
Total cost £35x12= £420 (unlimited mileage)

Given that they majority of cars that come into Edinburgh have just one person (the driver obviously)

I would challenge anyone to get around Edinburgh by car for £420 a year

Taking into consideration the following costs

Purchase of the Car
Petrol
Maintenance (MOT, repairs etc)
Insuring
Road Tax
City Centre parking

Maybe No 20 to give us the financial breakdown of how its cheaper
25

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 06/03/2008 13:06:30
Oh and please, please, please can we have a Tram free day! Folk will be blaming the trams for burning they're breakfast next....
26

barmeyfred,

06/03/2008 13:10:12
Edinburgh's buses are very cheap and very good compared to many other cities in Britain.lets reward those locals than are regular bus users bt keeping the 4 weekly/annual pass at the same level.
those infrequent users will have to pay the £1 single journey ticket but lets increase the day saver ticket to £3 and the weekly ticket to £18.
with this increase many many of the tourists who use that buses ( and the bus drivers as tourist information offices)will be forking out a great deal more .
anyone who pays £1 to go 2 stops is a fool,if you can't walk 2 bus stops then you should have a disability pass or a you just LAZY.
27

11+failed,

the pans 06/03/2008 13:11:44
Well who other than passengers is going to foot the bill for the LRT chief executive's £300k+ remuneration package?
28

East at Easter,

Shrubhill Depot 06/03/2008 13:17:14
been using bus for last week as car in garage. Its a joke. Buses always full of neds and undesireables. Feel totally unsafe, god knows how old biddy's feel. Will happily keep my carbon footprint thanks.
29

SBW,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:18:05
#19 To say there has been no increase for 2 years is not entirely true. This applies to single fares. Ridacards have increased in price within the last year.

#16/27 The LB ridacard is not £35 per month. It is a 4 week "ticket" and currently costs £37.50
30

Memyself&I,

06/03/2008 13:21:09
Wasn't this the company that made £8mill profit last year - a record for them. Whistles,....
All nonsense. Fares have gone up in recent years.
31

alex patersons English teacher,

06/03/2008 13:21:37
28. they're breakfast.

how much is a tram ride for a peace of toast.
32

alex patersons English teacher,

06/03/2008 13:24:50
31
old biddy's feel is just fine thanks,spoke with her last week.
33

E300,

tomich 06/03/2008 13:34:28
12 & 27
You are just being silly. 92% of households have a car and the marginal extra cost of commuting by car is nearer 14p/mile. £420 equates to 3000 miles. Who is going to volunteer to stand on a commuter bus jostled by the great unwashed when they can sit comfortably in a draft free car.
34

Top Floor,

06/03/2008 13:35:00
I thought the new SNP govt were pro environment, anti-congestion / pollution ?

Two of their first acts are -

1.abolish tolls on Forth Bridge = more cars = more congestion = more pollution.

2.don't pass on fuel rebate as they are supposed to = higher costs for public transport.

This govt doesn't seem to do what it says on the tin. Can we send it back ?

35

S.E,

06/03/2008 13:39:56
So now neds are going to approach you on the street and ask for a spare £1.10 as opposed to a spare poond!
36

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 13:40:30
blame anything but themselves. Funding anything of OAP's always a nice blame area as is fuel costs.

it boils down in my opinion to the management of the bus service.

I agree a small increase but why they don't create zones around the city centre and create a price structure accordingly. Why should we pay same to go 2 bus stops as to go right across town and beyond.

it would be easy to manage they just need to turn their brain on - if they have one.......

Also the timings of the buses - quite often they all come and same time and then a big gap before the next one. That does not encourage us to use the bus.

We need an effective bus service that meets the needs of the people. Can they do that? Hmmmmm I wonder...
37

Linda,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:44:46
The SNP were to-day were blamed for the high winds and rain.

The UK (Labour) government set Fuel Duty costs and these are due to increase by 2p a gallon in April. That is why bus fares are going up.

The high price of North Sea Oil is producing an extra 3 billion pounds bonus for the UK Treasury this year yet Scotlands get no benefit and the lowest ever over inflation increase in the block grant.

a government spokesman said: "Scottish Government support for bus services is already considerable, amounting to some £260m per year. Last month, ministers announced an additional £4m for the bus service operators grant, meaning a further seven per cent increase in this grant."
38

Voice o reason,

06/03/2008 13:46:25
I don't see what the fuss is about. Take a look around Edinburgh and Districts. See how many Lothian Buses are on the road? How much do you think it costs to keep all of them on the road.

Edinburgh has one of the BEST public transport operations in the UK, if you don't believe me go to other UK cities and compare bus services and costs! A fare increase of 10p is small change for such a good service!
39

Celtic Fan Steven,

On my bike 06/03/2008 13:56:17
Im not surprised, lets face it if each driver is on £30k a year (for an unskilled job),
X amount of brand new busses on the road every year,
Implementing the new GPS Bus tracking system, is it any wonder they are skint?????

40

Linda,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:56:27
Typical biased reporting by Evening News have front page headline "SNP to blame for 10p bus fare rise" when
no one actually said that.

The spokesman claimed Lothian Buses' fuel duty shortfall amounts to £400,000, and he said a 10p increase would generate over £10m for the company.


And why should Scottish Government have to compensate for draconian taxes imposed by Westminster?
41

Celtic Fan Steven,

On my bike 06/03/2008 13:57:20
Im not surprised, lets face it if each driver is on £30k a year (for an unskilled job),
X amount of brand new busses on the road every year,
Implementing the new GPS Bus tracking system, is it any wonder they are skint?????

42

Celtic Fan Steven,

06/03/2008 13:58:27
My point was so good I had to post it twice!
43

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 14:08:48
32 SBW,Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:18:05

#16/27 The LB ridacard is not £35 per month. It is a 4 week "ticket" and currently costs £37.50

No32 check your fact a monthly ride a card is £35 per month
http://www.lothianbuses.com/tickets.php

no36, remember you have to buy a car!!
44

Baroness Fortitude III,

06/03/2008 14:25:52
I always pay by throwing in about 70p worth of 5p's 2p's and 1p's and the driver never notices. So this won't make any difference to me!
45

Beergut,

Embra 06/03/2008 14:30:42
What is 10p nowadays? Agree about the stage fares though, £1 for a couple of stops is daylight robbery. Mind you walking never did anyone any harm.
46

Victoria Ian,

06/03/2008 14:40:29
get a grip folks- it's 10p!!!! ever heard of inflation??
47

subrosa,

06/03/2008 14:41:00
# 13

Because I've worked for 45 years and still need to work because I've lost a lot of money on endowments (along with thousands of others) and I still have a mortgage.

ps Before you reply, just put yourself in my shoes for a minute. When you've worked for 45 years then comment.
48

Council Insider,

On A Day Off Through Stress 06/03/2008 14:49:24
#53. You should have taken a capital and interest repayment mortgage. All you people with failed endowments were just greedy and you got your fingers burnt.
49

Farmernot,

06/03/2008 15:37:26
10p or not 10p......that is the question...........to get from Dalkeith to Costorphine for work is currently £1........cheap......or buy the daysaver at £2.50 and travel throughout the Lothians......cheap.

I suppose those folk who happily pay an extra 20p for a beer think that its cheap...... really come on get real and come into the real world
50

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 15:46:01
#53 Subrosa

If you have worked for 45 years you should now qualify for the 60+ free buspass (the only thing we're ever likely to get for nothing in this God-damned town!!).

#54 Council Insider

"people with failed endowments were just greedy" Wrong Insider, they were mis-sold by reps from insurance companies, etc.

#13 Carry on boaking, I wonder if your view will change when you're 60+

51

jc is god,

06/03/2008 15:48:47
55- to get to corstorphine - gyle is £1 which is not fair.i say change the whole structure of the fares and cut back on the 22's and 26's the scourge of Edinburgh.
52

Gopher,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 15:58:41
So its ok for the council to put up bus fares due to incresed fuel costs but rejected last november any increase in taxi fares.
53

Council Insider,

On A Day Off Thorugh Stress 06/03/2008 16:13:22
#56 Yeah it's always someone else's fault.
#57 Don't cut back on 26's. How will I get to and from work.
54

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06/03/2008 16:27:30
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:28:58
#59 Council Insider

"Yeah it's always someone else's fault." Yes #59 it quite definitely is in this case. However (and no doubt you won't like this) many of these ill-advised customers have had some of their money refunded (at the cost of their doubtful lenders).
56

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 17:06:58
#54 - what a horrible thing to say to someone.

It could be you in the future.....

#53 ignore 54's comment he knows no better....and will crack mirrors when he/she looks in them!
57

Zander G,

EDINBURGH 06/03/2008 17:26:12
The day ticket at £2.50 represents good value for money. I suggest that this should be increased to £3.00 and the ordinary fare should be left at £1.00. This gives you a saving if you have to take 4 or more buses. It also gives a car user a saving if he or she has to pay for parking on any of your journeys. Yesterday I used 10 buses (admittedly two of them were taken just because they came along as I was walking along Gorgie Road) and that was cheaper than the car at the government rate of 25 pence per mile for running costs (40 p per mile includes fixed costs). Incidentally, #31, I considered myself to be perfectly safe on all the buses that I travelled on.
58

Londonroadguy,

nearby 06/03/2008 17:43:34
I don't care if the buses were free!They are always full of chavs,junkies and the unwashed of course.I walk EVERYWHERE..My place of employment is 4 miles from my home and it's safer to walk than get on one of those things.
59

Grafter,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 18:11:50
If they have a black hole to fill, then it's pretty simple -
1. SCRAP the Free Travel Scheme.

How many workers are like me and get home from their work, because a bus is full of pensioners (on their way home after an afternoon bingo session)and there isn't even standing room?

2. The frequency of buses that serve the "snobby" parts of Edinburgh, like the 23 from Morningside to Trinity, could be REDUCED from the average 9 Minutes to 30 minutes.
There are probably many other routes that favour certain areas of Edinburgh over others, just so some Free Travel Scheme snobs can travel into town for a cup of tea in Jenners.

Well these are a couple of ways of saving some cash that spring to mind and I'm sure there are others.



60

Grafter,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 18:33:49
Meant to say, "can't get home from their work" above.
61

Dragonlord,

06/03/2008 18:49:27
Earlier this year Lothian buses bought thirty five NEW buses.They all had the old diesel engine. With city polution high on the agenda, why were they not powered by LPG. Cheaper fuel and better for the environment and no need for a fare hike. Simple really.
62

Euan,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 18:52:14
With diesel prices going through the roof over the past year, I'm not surprised the fare is going up, even if it is only by 10p.

Sadly it will make the nice easy-to-find fare of a £1 coin a thing of the past..

63

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06/03/2008 19:12:33
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64

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 19:12:37
#69 Except that, if I recall correctly, they actually all have brand new, very low emission diesel engines, offering the fuel efficiency of diesel and low emissions like LPG.
65

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 19:14:17
#71 Rarely has a poster been less appropriately named.
66

Words of Wisdom,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:19:22
Duncan in Edinburgh,

Point out one thing in that list that isn't true?

I challenge you (slaps glove across face)

67

Words of Wisdom,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:21:02
Also, I tried to change my name but the EN won't let me.

It's the powers that be decision to let me keep such an erroneous title.
68

Words of Wisdom,

In Glasgow now 06/03/2008 19:33:33
Why do we not just refuse to pay that 10p more?

We've got power as consumers you know. What would they do? Nothing.

Power to the people and all that......

69

Words of Wisdom,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:34:10
Therapeutic typing to yourself on the EN forum, very cathartic. What do you think?
70

Words of Wisdom,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:34:47
I'd have to agree. Some great posts you've made tonight big man.
71

Words of Wisdom,

edinburgh 06/03/2008 19:35:30
Thanks, you're totally correct.
72

Think Tank,

06/03/2008 19:43:36

Can we be absolutely clear here.

This is the price EVERYONE has to pay to remove the toll on the Forth Road Bridge thanks to the bizarre public transport and environmental policies of the SNP "government".

73

JamboChris,

Maastricht 06/03/2008 20:20:04
#80

Eh??
74

Dr DoGood,

06/03/2008 21:13:20
words of wisdom what do you do for a living
75

Dr DoGood,

06/03/2008 21:15:49
was that to difficult for you
76

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/03/2008 21:18:38
#74

*Removes glove from face*

12p to £1 isn't even a 750% increase, never mind a 1000% increase.

*Flicks glove*

The rest of your post is all aspersion as opposed to assertion, so it is a logical impossibility to prove is either true or false.

However, if we assume that you are asserting that, for example, drivers don't smile, don't wait for people running up, are uneducated, wear dark glasses and look like paedos, then all I can say to you is this: the drive of my 33 service yesterday morning left the door open for me as I ran to catch the bus, smiled as I thanked him, and was extremely cute. I can't vouch for his education, but he brightened my day.

*Drops glove, wanders off*
77

Dr DoGood,

06/03/2008 21:20:23
its ok i worked it out after reading your comments your
a full time PRAT no wonder bus drivers have attitudes with people like you ,these guys are only doing a job the same as most of the passengers they carry,have a go at the company not the guys who by the way are highly skilled at what they do ,dont get paid what you think,put up with more aggro than you will ever and at the same time get people to where they want to go as quickly and safely as conditions allow
78

Master_thinker,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 21:24:47
Lets throw a whole new twist into this commenting!

If the Edinburgh council had sat down and thought about the transport crisis in the city properly and had realized that in the next ten years time capital is going to double in size, then they would have introduced an underground instead! The city could then grow and prosper with-out the major road works etc. Also the council could have had it powered using renewable energy, from council owned farms....

The debate if transport in the city is still value for money will continue until interest rates drop & salaries rise.
79

Dr DoGood,

06/03/2008 21:27:08
whats up wisdom someone posted the truth and you cant answer
80

Dr DoGood,

06/03/2008 21:34:29
one more point wisdom LRT dont exist
81

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06/03/2008 23:04:41
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82

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 23:12:26
Correct me, but if I remember rightly, the last single fares increase was 2 years ago. That when LB done away with the 2 fares pricing, they done away with the lower fare leaving the £1 fare

51 Beergut,Embra 06/03/2008 14:30:42
What is 10p nowadays? Agree about the stage fares though, £1 for a couple of stops is daylight robbery. Mind you walking never did anyone any harm.
Stop being lazy and walk it.

no 36 E300,You are just being silly.
you seem to have forgotten you need to Take into consideration the following costs

Purchase of the Car
Petrol
Maintenance (MOT, repairs etc)
Insuring
Road Tax
City Centre parking

Are you saying that you can do all of the above for £35 a month.

for £35 a month you get unlimited mileage, maintenance, parking and breakdown cover

doing about 80 miles in your car a week in Edinburgh will cost you £10 alone in petrol costs
52x£10=£520
buying a 2nd hand car £5000 say over 5 years
thats £1000 per year £83 per month, over double the cost of a £35 monthly ride a card

insurance/road tax £300 per year (£25 per month)

so far thats £151 a month....

and city centre parking well .........

Words of Wisdom...if Bus Drving is that easy...then theres always vacacnies at LB & FIRST......you'd last a day...
83

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 23:18:02
31 East at Easter,Shrubhill Depot 06/03/2008 13:17:14
been using bus for last week as car in garage. Its a joke. Buses always full of neds and undesireables. Feel totally unsafe, god knows how old biddy's feel. Will happily keep my carbon footprint thanks

31 East at Easter,Shrubhill Depot ..you said it, the buses had neds and undesireables on it last week.
Hang on you were on the bus last week!!!!!

sorry couldn't resist it.
84

Bob 2,

06/03/2008 23:21:19
32 SBW,Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:18:05

#16/27 The LB ridacard is not £35 per month. It is a 4 week "ticket" and currently costs £37.50

No32 check your fact a monthly ride a card is £35 per month
http://www.lothianbuses.com/tickets.php

No32 have you manage to check out the cost of a monthly ride a card
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 06/03/2008 23:34:57
i wish we had your bus service here when iam home i dont want a car it great to get round with out one
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/03/2008 07:51:44
#94 Really? Do you have any evidence for that at all? I find it highly unlikely.
88

Hibernia,

07/03/2008 08:04:59
#94 if my employers were paying for my fuel Id be driving all over Scotland never mind Edinburgh.
89

linepage,

edinburgh 07/03/2008 08:20:07
i am a person on benefits and i think that NO ONE should have free travel. it all has to be paid for one way or another. i am not well off but i would willingly pay 20 or 30p for my fares. a daily ticket for a 50p or £1 charge would not be unreasonable at all. when will people realise that in this world we have to pay for what we get.
90

fionac,

07/03/2008 09:04:04
I'd love to be able to get the bus to work and save money on petrol! Would gladly pay £2.50 per day for a day saver ticket instead of between £35.00 and £40.00 a week on petrol, however, given it's two buses from where I live to my work, this would involve leaving the house about 6.45 to get to work for nine! Stop your moaning! Edinburgh people have no idea how lucky they are with the transport system at their fingertips!
91

James (1),

07/03/2008 11:57:22
Financial black hole!
People will see what a real financial black hole is when the tram comes.
That cash guzzeling enterprise will cause bus services to be cut to stem the flow and then prices will go up.
We currently have an excellent bus service which is slowly moving towards the chopping block.
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wee linda,

Broxburn 11/03/2008 07:57:23
You are all sad bus spotters!!
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ColinEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 14:36:57
FACT: Lothian bus services are some of the best in the UK.

FACT: The Lothian bus fleet is, compared to other bus companies, one of the most modern in the UK (excluding London which operates under a very different system)

FACT: £1.10 for a single journey of even a short distance is pretty cheap compared with most other bus companies in the UK

FACT: £35 (or whatever) per month direct debit bus pass is flipping cheap - and even cheaper if your employer works with Lothian to provide the ticket on an income tax-free system

FACT: Lothian are owned by edinburgh and other local councils - any profit they make is re-invested


There is plenty left for Lothian to do: Improvements to bus stops; rolling out bus-tracker to cover all buses; replacing the last of the old fleet and working on timetable reliablility on some services. Overall though, Lothian is a service we in Edinburgh should be proud of and thankful for.

 

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