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Published Date: 04 July 2009
AMBULANCE crews will not answer 999 calls to more than 50 addresses in Edinburgh and the Lothians unless they have a police escort because they are too dangerous, it can be revealed today.
The Evening News has learned that there is a blacklist of 54 properties – understood to be made up of both residences and businesses – to which paramedics can only respond if they have a police escort.

The list is based on the recent experience of crews who have suffered violence or aggression while trying to help people in need at the "red-flagged" addresses. Much of the aggression is due to drinking, say crews who have had to face physical and verbal attacks.

Updated every six months, the list is designed to give Scottish Ambulance Service bosses a "live" impression of where in the Lothians is too dangerous to go without protection.

Unions and politicians said the fact the list even existed painted a grim picture of what many paramedics faced, but praised the service for putting safeguards in place.

Livingston MSP Angela Constance spent a weekend night with an ambulance crew in West Lothian earlier this year and has seen for herself much of what crews are up against.

"Some people just don't know how to behave and paramedics really do have the patience and professionalism of saints, and perhaps we should do more to recognise this," she said.

"I think it's a rather startling figure that should be of concern to us all. Paramedics are doing their jobs, trying to save lives and get people the emergency treatment they need, and it's outrageous that they should be subjected to any sort of violence, intimidation or abuse. I'm glad that the ambulance service are putting in place the best measures they can to protect their workers."

Although the reported number of incidents has gone down in recent years, there is still a significant risk to paramedics attending incidents, particularly in notorious areas.

Unions also say many staff do not bother reporting assaults or intimidation, so keen are they to get the job done quickly and move on.

The Evening News revealed earlier this year that virtually every call received at the weekend is in some way related to alcohol.

In one high-profile case in Livingston recently, a female paramedic had her jaw broken while working.

A spokesman for the Scottish Ambulance Service said: "Violence and abuse towards our staff is unacceptable and we do everything we can to reduce that risk.

"Our staff do a fantastic job in responding to emergencies across the area and deserve to be able to do so without the threat of violence towards them."


'Booze is a factor every time we are threatened'

ONE city paramedic who has notched up nearly ten years of service has seen at close quarters the effects of violence.

He said most paramedics now accepted it as a risk of the job.

While he had not suffered any physical abuse, he had endured plenty of threats and seen others attacked.

He said alcohol was almost always the cause of the abuse.

"I'm quite a big guy and people generally wouldn't have a pop at me," he said.

"I think I've been present on three or four occasions when a colleague has been assaulted, but they've all fought it off and got on with the job.

"But I've heard stories of others in the service who it's really affected.

"I honestly can't think of a time when we've been given abuse or threatened when booze wasn't a factor."

He added that colleagues did not lose sleep over the issue.

"We can't waste time worrying about it. Our job is to save lives and that's why we do this."


Your Say: Should aggressive people receive treatment from ambulance crews?

George Fraser, 66, retired delivery driver, Gracemount Avenue: "If the patient's being aggressive, they should get a taxi to hospital and pay for it themselves – make your own way."

Margaret Macdonald, 78, retired finance assistant, Baberton Mains Place: "It would depend. Sometimes when people are hurt, they don't behave rationally."

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The full article contains 692 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 July 2009 11:48 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The emergency services
 
1

Douglas,

Bathgate 04/07/2009 11:48:34
A spokesman for the Scottish Ambulance Service said: "Violence and abuse towards our staff is unacceptable and we do everything we can to reduce that risk.

Unless crews have been given the right to refuse to attend or leave when threatened then, no you don't Mr Spokesman.
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 04/07/2009 12:02:44
This must be very hard for the crews but,surely 999 calls must be answered,where ever it comes from.
3

Pantaloon,

04/07/2009 12:25:03
If you act in a violent and uncivilised manner then you forfeit your right to treatment by civilised medical staff.

999 staff deserve to come to work without the fear of violence (obviously the police are slightly different as they have a duty to intervene), and as such the fire and ambulances services should have the right to turn round and drive away if people are ungrateful enough to start on them.
4

Frontshot,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 12:32:31
Ambulance crews can leave whenever they feel that the situation is becoming dangerous. But it isn't always the patient that is the problem, usually friends and relatives think they know what should be done and how quickly. In these cases its a bit trickier. Do you leave a patient who isn't causing any bother themselves, or stay and try to calm down the others at the risk of making the situation worse?

Either way, alcohol is the main problem, turning what I assume are usually normal people into antagonistic, obstructive idiots who know your job better than you.

And Alfoso, 999 calls are always "answered" but don't always require attendance. Big difference. Especially in today's culture of lack of personal responsibilty.

Phew...
5

leithlink,

04/07/2009 12:43:29
The sentences handed out in Court for those who threaten or assault emergency personnel should be much steeper than they are at present, jails to full of fine defaulters rather than those who should be there.

PS - Anyone care to run a sweep on when that nutter who calls himself Gorgie Tony comes on and starts with his rant(in no particular order):
Gas, thrashings, death penalty, English Police, Parasites, "in my day", "did me no harm" etc etc..
6

Herman The German,

04/07/2009 12:58:16
#5
Gorgie Tony should be here in about 1/2 an hour after he is finished polishing his "war pistol"
7

Sqidward,

04/07/2009 13:08:25
What was the total on the list six months ago, or a year ago for that matter? How about maybe telling us what areas these addresses and businesses are in?

The story states that 'the reported number of incidents has gone down in recent years'?

The usual half the non-story with minimal facts!
8

Herman The German,

04/07/2009 13:18:20
#7.
Does it really matter,surly one attack is one too many.
9

James (1),

04/07/2009 13:30:26
No matter how much of a A hole you are, you have the right to be treated?
Wrong! As soon as it is apparent you are such a person then a hasty retreat should be the order of the day for medical staff.
Any further calls to that address should be ignored if the same name is given.
If the person dies, well think on the bright side, their house will become vacant.
10

the Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/07/2009 14:35:28
These ambulance crews are getting carried away with their own self importance. It seems they can't go to a job without putting the blues & two's on & screaming about the city like demented boy racers - & now they want their own personal security guards ? So, even less chance of the public getting a fast police response to their calls because they will be tied up escorting ambulance staff !
11

scoopy,

ma hoose 04/07/2009 15:06:31
#10 You are the type of clown who should be barred from a keyboard. You are either a complete buffoon or maybe just at the wind up. Either way go back to your bed and sleep it off. you are about as much use as a teaspoon in a house flood.
12

imabeliever,

mars 04/07/2009 15:13:34
Well said no.11 he sounds more like a genuine a**ehole!!!!
13

Neo 1,

04/07/2009 15:51:32
I know #10 is not worth this effort but I will put in my tuppence worth in anyway.

Lights & sirens are only used when necessary, ie on emergency calls, to use them at any other time is a sackable offence & could possibly lead to prosecution by the police. I know there are jobs that we go to that end up not requiring a blue light response, jobs are prioritised by the information given to the call handler. There are times on arrival at a job we find things are no where near as bad as the information given over the phone.

There are addresses that we go to where we will ask for the police 1st, but these are only for where we have had repeated abuse. When can tell the difference between people who are just plain nasty or suffering from pain or alcohlol/drug abuse, then there's the friends/relatives who have generally watched too much casualty etc and think they know our jobs. I have just received my 5th citation this year to appear in court as a witness for an incident that we attended.

But all said its the most rewarding job I have had!
14

go boil ur heid,

04/07/2009 17:22:38
drink is the main cause of weekend accidents drink=anger and sometimes violence. ambulance men must know this so the should be taking self defence classes to protect themselves and their patient (even if he/she is being a dikedd. i will tell you the story of the suicide victim who was take to the nut ward she was angry and shouting i want to die, so what did the angels in white do. help her to calm down basically what their paid to do, or throw her in the street because they couldn't be bothered. you know the answer
15

Gina Gibson,

Wales 04/07/2009 19:46:06
#14 Ambulance personnel are there to treat patients NOT to fight off drunks, that's what the police are paid to do!
16

woofer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2009 19:55:14
I deal with emergency calls from the public and I agree with #13. Once someone gets there, its certainly not as bad as it seems, and what was described as "pouring of blood" is in fact a chicken scratch that may not even need a plaster.
People who work in the emergency services do a great job and if the patient cant be civil, then they should be left. If the problem is because their friends and family and ranting on, the patient should tell them to get lost so you can get the necessary treatment (unless of course they are unconcious) !!!
17

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04/07/2009 20:27:44
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18

retiredscot,

USA 04/07/2009 22:02:31
#10
the Genuine Mario Antoinette,04/07/2009 14:35:28
These ambulance crews are getting carried away with their own self importance. It seems they can't go to a job without putting the blues & two's on & screaming about the city like demented boy racers - & now they want their own personal security guards ? So, even less chance of the public getting a fast police response to their calls because they will be tied up escorting ambulance staff !

We have the same here in the USA, especially the small towns where Emer. Staff are Volunteers. Most of them wanting to be Big Fish in Small Ponds. Lights and Sirens and Adrenaline Rush is their forte'. Many hardworking Police and Emer. Staff here also though. It all goes with the Territory.
19

IbizaG,

Dalkeith 04/07/2009 22:43:44
Ambulance crews do an excellent job and deserve more respect we should back them 100% if they judge they need to leave an Incident.
20

Kirstie,

once upon a time I lived in Leith.... 05/07/2009 01:06:02
Maybe it's time for the NHS to seriously think about charging people for ambulance services like they do here in Australia?
This would certainly cut down the time wasters and drunken idiots who prey on the paramedics. Maybe refund the people the cost of the trip after they have been discharged from hospital. It's a total disgrace that the so called emergency services are putting their own life at risk helping others.
21

jackhatter,

05/07/2009 10:21:16
#22, the refunding or not billing for genuine cases would be important. I used to live in a country where you were charged for an Ambulance and when someone is seriously ill or hurt, you shouldn't have to worry about whether or not you can afford an ambulance.

The black list is a great idea. People who worry that it is a waste of resources-there's 54 addresses on the list at the moment. In a city the size of Edinburgh that is nothing and when weighing up the cost/benefit analysis. What's worse, using Police to occassionally attend at an ambulance call or having Paramedics injured on the job which then leads to an even greater strain on resources due to sick pay and being down members of staff?
22

Hong Kong Fooey,

05/07/2009 15:53:40
It would appear the post removed at 19 hit upon a raw nerve and so it should....lowlife are lowlife so why should they get to hide?
23

Pentland,

Ex Embra 05/07/2009 18:50:59
Emergency personnel have a right to focus their attention on the reason for their call-out, and probably, in some cases, should have the option to up and away if circumstances merit it. A bit of naming and shaming probably wouldn't do any harm either, allowing banks, insurance companies, building societies, the council, employers, friends, relatives, colleagues and any other interested party take note.

#14 I can only assume that your are a fully qualified First Aid at Work first aider and have a Health and Safety qualification, in order to do your job. No? Then why should Ambulance crew have Black Belt?
24

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/07/2009 21:28:36
Of course the reported number of incidents like these is down as stated half way into the story. But I suppose a headline like that wouldn't stir up the frothing at the mouth brigade as much.

#7 Sqidward,

And why exactly would knowing the areas of these addresses help? All that would do would be to give ammunition to the usual eejits who tar everyone in the area with the same brush. Comments like "I might have known. They're all alcoholics in Muirhouse" and such like.

Maybe the addresses or the faces of the troublemakers in the EEN would be more useful.

25

The real dracula,

06/07/2009 00:52:30
Completely agree with this. I also know that there are many many 999 calls that when the crew get there find the situation is not even close to an emergency. But the 999 call handlers can only go by the grossly exaggerated info they have been given.
If an ambulance responds to a 'blue' light call only to discover it is not an emergency they do not transfer the patient on blues. How can you ignoramuses blame the crews when they have little idea of what they are going to.
I agree there are folk who should be banned and charged.
And indeed its time to bring in charges for misuse of ALL the 999 services.

They are NOT a blue light taxi company despite what many think.
26

blackley,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 09:32:45
Once again it all comes down to our national problem - drink. It's pathetic. We are a bunch of kids at play but playing with our own and other people's lives.

 

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