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Published Date: 05 November 2009
AN anti-war campaign group has attacked an Edinburgh-based defence company smashing windows at its plant in the early hours of this morning.
The group – calling themselves the F**k the War Coalition – destroyed at least ten windows at the Selex Galileo site at Crewe Toll, apparently using ball bearings.

Police were called to the incident and are still investigating.

Campaigners from the group contacted the Evening News at 3am to claim responsibility, protesting against the company's involvement in the UK's defence programme.

Selex Galileo is responsible for making defence systems and security applications and employs more than 7000 people across the UK, Italy and the United States and has been a target for campaign groups in the past.

The campaigners' e-mail said: "We are bringing the war home to those who profit from imperialism.

"This morning we broke windows on the Selex Galileo building.

"Corporations like Selex Galileo play a vital role in the military industrial complex. They have the blood of the innocent Afghani, Iraqi and Palestinian people who suffer at the hands of the capitalist system."

It went on: "The war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with democracy, women's rights, opium or the war on terror.

"It's about oil pipelines, making money for big corporations and establishing permanent military bases near China, India and Pakistan.

"Working class people from Scotland are joining the Army and getting killed in Afghanistan so that the bosses and shareholders of companies like Selex and BP can make more money."

The group targeted the administrative block of Selex Galileo, which has two sites on Crewe Road North, smashing windows at the back of the building.

A cordon had been places around the area this morning as hundreds of workers made their way into the building.

It is not yet known how much the damage has cost the company.

A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police said: "There has been a report of vandalism at the premises. Officers are still dealing with it."

Organisers behind the attack told the Evening News the campaign group "does not exist" and is rather "a name used by those taking action against the war machine".

One of those involved said: "Property destruction and other acts of direct action have been claimed by the FTWC across the UK for the last two and-a-half years and will continue until global militarism has ceased."

The "FTWC have attacked army recruitment centres, arms factories, and the American consulates and embassies."

In July 2007, anti-war protesters claimed responsibility for a series of attacks at the Selex plant in Ferry Road.

A group describing itself as an anti-war coalition used a series of anonymous articles on the IndyMedia Scotland website to say it had carried out three attacks, in which windows were smashed.

The attack was linked to similar attacks in March that year on the offices of Edinburgh MPs Nigel Griffiths and Alistair Darling.

In April, an armed forces recruitment centre on Shandwick Place had windows smashed and was daubed with anti-war slogans. The following month red paint was thrown at the US consulate in Regent Terrace and a week later, yellow paint was thrown at the German consulate in Haymarket.


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  • Last Updated: 05 November 2009 9:17 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Nitten bull,

05/11/2009 11:10:43
Scum - Get a job ya junkie, tax dodging tw*ts ! I work here and aprt from an early xmas effect we will carry on making RADARS !!!!
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 05/11/2009 12:02:17
These people are just hooligans,there are ways to demonstrate without going crazy,pure scum.
3

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05/11/2009 12:02:44
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05/11/2009 12:02:56
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5

Sheep Worrier,

05/11/2009 12:09:39
**** off hippies
6

Paul Voltaire,

05/11/2009 12:10:48
These idiots should not be given any publicity whatsoever.
So there!
7

Jambos49,

Castle 05/11/2009 12:26:15
This could be a "dirty tricks" operation. It has all the hallmarks of being one. Also it could be a form of industrial sabotage from one of Selex Galilleo's competitors , like Thule or BAE. Remember BAE's Chairman has a back door key to 10 Downing Street's garden.

It will be interesting to see if this artificial anti-war group targets BAE or Thule next.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 12:36:30
This scum should be forced to take part in a ptrol in Afghanistan. Perhaps then they might realise the kind of things our troops are up against.

Yeah Man! Fight for peace!

Bloody idiots.
9

Jams,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 12:41:22
Agree with everyone except #7 - who's conspiracy theory does not make sense. If this was dirty tricks (by others) or disinformation (by Selex) they would have gone for visible slogans & grafitti, not anonymous vandalism.

These people conceal their identity because they are gonad free thugs who think that breaking a few windows equates to being a freedom fighter. "Away hame and Bile Yer Heid ya Numpties".
10

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 05/11/2009 12:42:48
The instances of "direct action" are becoming worryingly more common. Someone needs to remind these idiots that we live in a democracy.

If these idiots think direct action is the way forward then I assume they want anarchy. Ironically in an anarchic society with no democracy it is the perpetrators of this kind of direct action who would be least likely to get anywhere. I for one would not be letting some lentil eating, tree hugging, soap and work dodging refusenik get anything ahead of me.
11

Sarcasm,

05/11/2009 12:42:56
7
If the best efforts of BAE or Thales at industrial sabotage is to break a few windows with a ball bearing gun, then I don't think SELEX have much to worry about in the area of selling defence products.
12

Eugene Fraxby,

Kilbirnie 05/11/2009 12:52:24
What does "I work here and aprt from an early xmas effect we will carry on making RADARS !!!!" mean?
13

Foo,

05/11/2009 13:01:14
"Working class people from Scotland ... so that the bosses and shareholders of companies like Selex and BP can make more money." Say FTW coalition.

Hang on, is that right? I be investing in these companies? Thanks for the tip guys.
14

Foo,

05/11/2009 13:02:29
*typo

Hang on, is that right? I SHOULD be investing in these companies? Thanks for the tip guys.
15

davie jambo,

05/11/2009 13:10:31
This will really force Gordon Brown to stand up and take notice and pull our troops out of the middle east ... or perhaps not
16

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 13:11:45
"Corporations like Selex Galileo play a vital role in the military industrial complex. They have the blood of the innocent Afghani, Iraqi and Palestinian people who suffer at the hands of the capitalist system."


This confirms they're leftie lackwits. Round them up and ship them out to Afghanistan.
17

James07,

Embra 05/11/2009 13:16:17
#1 - Aye radars for military aircraft like the Eurofighter, Harrier, and Apache, which are bombing afghanistan. Dont you make targeting sensors for military aircraft as well?

You are basically making parts of weapons. Its no good saying "we dont make weapons, we make radar" - every "defence" worker could say that - "I dont make weapons, i just make the release mechanism for a bomb...." Many parts that makes up a weapon arnt themselves a weapon, but when they are combined they *are* a weapon. So, you *do* work in an arms factory.
18

totally indecent,

05/11/2009 13:23:17
17 - Was it you?
19

Foo,

05/11/2009 13:27:18
17

What woud you suggest we use to combat an army of terrorists intent on our destruction?

Basically, in my opinion, if you are against pounding these barmy bearded mad men into their component atoms you are a traitor.
20

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:27:40
Possibly was him, but he doesn't seem intelligent enough to operate a catapult.
21

Bamba,

The Amsterdam Hilton 05/11/2009 13:34:52
War as commerce, never ending war as never ending commerce. The thing to do is divide people in easy labels such as terrorist so that it doesn't feel bad when they are killed or brutalised. People can cheer on 'their boys' as Side A defeats Side B or vice versa. A nice little distraction for the masses as the connected hyper and uber wealthy take way more than they deserve.
22

Foo,

05/11/2009 13:45:24
Nonsense

There is a clear movement against the west. They seek the imposition of radical Islam on all countries. They stone adults and children, terrorise other faiths, behead those who speak against them and constantly plot major atrocities against the west, such as the Madrid bombings and 9/11.

They have organised themselves into a structured fighting force and have clearly stated their goals; the overthrow of western governments.

They employ tactics such as cutting their enemies face off with wire, placing explosives inside dead relatives, burning children to death, using those with learning difficulties to carry out suicide missions and major bombings designed to inflict massive death to innocent civilians.

23

Paul Scholes is a Jambo,

05/11/2009 14:07:47
#17 - you are a complete tool.
The company are building these parts to DEFEND OUR COUNTRY AND SOLDIERS!!
Tree hugging hippies like you and those clowns that smashed the companies windows deserve to be lined up against the wall and be shot at with Ball bearing guns.
Yo are a complete pen!s of the highest order!!!!
24

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 05/11/2009 14:07:56
#22 - You are such as narrow minded idiotic moron.
25

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 05/11/2009 14:08:52
#24 - So are you, thick tw@t.
26

Paul Scholes is a Jambo,

05/11/2009 14:16:29
#26 - If you are going to start the name calling at least back it up please with a decent argument? or are you a tw@t as well that thinks flower power can heal everything? Im guessing you missed the news yesterday when 5 BRITTISH SOLDIERS were murdered by somebody they were trying to train?
27

blackley,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 14:19:49
#8 Surely we are all fighting for peace, my friend?
Breaking windows like this does no good. The UK still needs defence products.
But we need them to defend this country, not to prosecute campaigns thousands of miles away in the desert.
28

BROONISDOOMED,

05/11/2009 14:28:25
these are not junkies ,nor are they working class yobs,G8 rent a mob were found out to be the offspring of middle class parents,in well paid positions
remember swampie?,he looked scruffy and the press though he was some protester from a housing scheme,it was found he was middle class with well off parents
this is just an act of wanting thug behaviour
what they need is drafted into the army,then sent on patrol in iraq and other places
they would be bleating for their mama in 1 day
maybe if the selex security can catch them ,some good sport to be had with a night stick and smelly hippy skulls
29

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 05/11/2009 14:35:51
#27 - Can't quite see why some idiots firing ball bearings at a building has to do with yesterdays tradegy and you trying to link the two.

You can be against the war in Afhganistan and still support the troops, they are only carrying out policy, they did not create it. They do what they are told.

Some folk are just too thick to understand that, and start calling everyone traitors.

Is that enough for you?

I could also go on about the futile attempts by the US and the UK to impose a democratic system on a country that has never had it, and then expect it all to be a success. It took Britian 100's of years to iron out our democracy and it is still a work in progress.


Finally, you are a tw@t for posting this...

"Tree hugging hippies like you and those clowns that smashed the companies windows deserve to be lined up against the wall and be shot at with Ball bearing guns."

Makes you a terrorist yourself, proposing that mob like justice.


30

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 05/11/2009 14:37:55
Are these not the same windae-phobes who did over Fred Goodwin's hoose in sunny Grange - it's a known pathological condition; only cure - ten years confinement in a greenhouse!!
31

Brian Ferrari,

05/11/2009 14:47:44
Congrats to these individuals for risking life and limb while venturing bravely into the infamous "Crewe Toll" region in the dead of night. Hat's off.

PS the guy firing the ball bearings must be some marksman to manage to hit one of those windows.
32

Brian Ferrari,

05/11/2009 14:51:01
#30

So why attack a defence co? Isn't that a bit like imprisoning a gun for murder?
33

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 05/11/2009 15:15:43
#33 - I never defended their actions so why ask me?

But, following the same logic, they don't prosecute the heroin growers do they, just the user? Don't try and use the flawed NRA logic on me, its total mince.

People who get paid to make/design/use weapon systems have to have their own moral judgment on what they do. Personally I wouldn't do it, but I dont judge people harshly that do.








34

Brian Ferrari,

05/11/2009 15:23:48
#34

Yeah, if you like the foreign policy of the day you work in the arms industry; if you don't you down tools. Something like that?

And Britain doesn't need arms anyway. We could be like......well I can't think of a country...can you?

35

Abel Magwitch,

05/11/2009 15:28:10
This act is near the borderline between "vandalism" and "terrorism". I wonder if the police can tell us which side of the line it is. Vandalism is pretty much an everyday occurrence in Scotland, but terrorism is something else.
36

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 05/11/2009 15:35:57
#35 - I dont know what your problem is, did you read my post at all? I dont blame anyone for working there, but I wouldn't. My choice, not yours or anyone elses.

The problem with the arms trade is not who makes them but who sells them and the total lack of morals on who they sell them too. BAE systems have an appaling record on this, for example, whether its weapons to fascist dictators for crowd control or bribing officials to buy useless military air traffic control system.






37

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 15:56:07
Foo wonders aloud: "What woud you suggest we use to combat an army of terrorists intent on our destruction?"

Ballbearings obviously, no doubt leavened with much righteous indignation.
38

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 15:57:27
Bamba opones: "War as commerce"

You got something against making a profit? You a commie or something?
39

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 16:57:43
#39 So you think it's right to kill just to secure oil/trade rights? Being opposed to that doesn't make you anything other than compassionate.
The powers that be have reeled you lot in good and proper haven't they? "Oh kill the terrorists, they tried to bomb some jakies going to magaluf"
What do you think households in Afghanistan think when day after day innocent lives are lost due to our war on terror? Is it any wonder they take up arms.
We should never have been in there in the first place.
The war on terror is a lie in order to justify corporate greed of the worst kind where innocent lives from either country are expendable in the quest for money.
40

Davy,

the quest for money 05/11/2009 17:14:36
#40 tumshie heid
Anti-war protesters if it was not for our love of war. We would never have had an Empire. Our history would have been boring. No VC, no heroes’ for our kid’s to admire. Also the good old slave trade that and tobacco, helped to build the Empire. Yes we do have a history of violence & we are proud of it. Smashing windows, childish behaviour. If I was your da, you would be grounded. I wonder if the greeny’s or the liberals were involved.
41

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 17:25:18
But we don't have an empire now do we davy? and who cares apart from a few jingoistic clots like yourself. Heroes for kids to look up to? You are having a laugh. Whats heroic about enslaving nations just because you can?
42

Brian Ferrari,

05/11/2009 17:31:28
#42

Yes, he's having a laugh
43

Davy,

No more poverty 05/11/2009 17:39:18
#42 tumshie heid
You can’t deny your history your heritage & the love for war. To live in denial would be like living in a closet. The day you come out & face the facts is the day you say to yourself, am I normal. If it was not for tobacco & the slave trade Liverpool & Glasgow would be small towns. The money earned in years gone by, on those two things alone, helped to take this country out of poverty.
44

Brian Ferrari,

05/11/2009 17:42:52
....... I think
45

Mr Hankey,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 17:49:52
I wonder if these war protesters are aware that Selex help make protection systems for Civilian Airliners that help against issues such as the attempted shooting down of a CIVILIAN airliner in Kenya back in 2002?
46

Davy,

boss of all bosses 05/11/2009 17:51:03
The great thing about war is you get the chance to kill & get paid for it. Just like a gun for hire & your boss of all bosses is the Government. So its happy days.
47

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/11/2009 18:02:23
TumshieHeid enquires of me: "So you think it's right to kill just to secure oil/trade rights?"

Not just to acquire oil rights , no.

However, if a country doesn't want to see itself attacked, I have a helpful hint:

A) Don't harbour the wacky adherents of a cult that has attacked and murdered civilians in the west. When we come for them, we'll have to go through you.

48

Aesop,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 18:02:46
Its as well the suffragettes werent active today or the usual suspects would be calling them "scum" "terrorists", etc. A few broken windows is NOTHING compared to what the suffragettes did. Yet they are remembered as heroes of our democracy. Have the rules changed or what?
49

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 18:02:52
Davy, with your pathetic attempt at a wind up you would appear to have the desired intellect for your average squaddie. Why not sign up if you haven't already?
50

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 18:09:44
#48 How about if a country doesn't want to see itself attacked then don't blindly support every illegal invasion that America makes?
51

paul the binman,

05/11/2009 18:15:18
Is the next step in their campaign to go round to the Talibans windows and smash them too,how about letting down Osamas bike tyres. If only some one had of smashed Adolfs windows in 36 think how much nicer the world would be ;)
52

Davy,

we will take the colonies 05/11/2009 18:19:50
# tumshie heid
Yes I have been a gun for hire so cool. Now will you come out the closet & face the facts. No more denial. Anti-war protesters do not know how to behave & should be punished. I suggest no pocket money for a month. Now as for America that is next on the list, we have some un-finished business & we will take the colonies’ back.
53

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 18:36:50
Paul are you allowed to pick up dangerous shards of glass on your scaffie round or would there need to be a union ballot first?
54

Foo,

05/11/2009 19:57:07
NittonLover you are a traitor. You would have been (quite rightly) shot during WW2 for your condemnation of your own country's troops. Troops who are risking their lives so you can have freedom, something the enemy with whom you would seemingly jump in bed with would not afford you. Hang your head in shame you immature mixed up little ratbag.

It's funny that people such as NittonLover or tumshie heid never denounce the Taliban, Al Qaeda or Pakistan militants, or such like, for their use of violence against civilians.

It seems to me that the way in which they speak; these people feel that the terrorists are justified in their actions!

As a nation we are defending ourselves. The frontline just happens to be on the Pakistan Afghan border.

They also fail to mention that there as 85% (!) support amongst Aghans for the UN presence.

We are engaged in a guerrilla war against an enemy that in the absence of local support and funds have had to resort to bombing soft targets - unfortunately this means innocent people, including women and children.

Come on NittonLover or tumshie heid, let's hear you denounce these types of attacks and go some way in redeeming tarnished views.
55

Davy,

Afgannystan 05/11/2009 21:57:29
It’s hard to believe but true, its part of my job with British secret service I am just back from Afgannystan the troops love the Foo & they all say thank you Foo for your support. They tell me they have just taken out the Tumshie heid faction of the Taliban, no casualties for the Brits. Tumshie heid faction is now extinct & will be fertiliser, for next year’s opium crops. Will keep you up to dated.
56

tumshie heid,

05/11/2009 22:39:57
#Foo what kind of a contradiction is it to say that troops are fighting for our "freedom" but if you disagree with that you should be shot?
I see that you have reverted to type again with the inane insults as well. Thank f#ck I won't ever have to share a seat with you on a tram.
57

Big Tam fae The Pans,

06/11/2009 02:30:28
Whether you agree with this or not they are not a "defence" company.

If they were they wouldnt get many orders considering its sometime since Britain was invaded.

Got to love the cuddly language.

"combat fatigue" means that you are just a bit tired after a war - not that you got your eardrums shredded from mortars, your legs blown off or your head minced looking at mangled bodies.

No Siree.
58

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 06/11/2009 06:42:47
#54 - You know what defamation is? You worthless piece of low life, you are making stuff up. Read my post at 29 and they tell me why I am a traitor? F-sake, I despair that there are idiots like you in this world.



59

Foo,

06/11/2009 09:14:33
#56

No, cowards were shot. That is what NittonLover is; a coward and a traitor. I don't think you would have, and to be fair to you, I don't lump you in the same boat as NittonLover. It's right and proper that people question every act of war as you do. However it's also important to support out troops and denounce the enemy, who are in this case, a ruthless movement against our whole way of life.

NittonLover, didums, does the little hippy not like people saying it like it is. Re-read your posts #24, 25, 29, 36 & 58 and look at the language you use. Insulting and aggressive, that's what it is.

The fact is, you have failed to denounce the enemy and their crimes, and have attacked our own troops and those that support them as morally bankrupt. In my eyes, and most others, that makes you a coward and a traitor.
60

korndog,

reality 06/11/2009 10:39:13
YEAH! lets break some windows, that'll stop a multi BILLION pound industry. I just feel for the workers, they'll be laid off now, as Selex will obviously have to shut now.... sheesh.
61

Untermensch,

06/11/2009 12:05:11
Is all this company's product used solely for defensive purposes? This is what defence would imply. When the Defence Secretary was called the Minister for War it was perhaps more honest.
62

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 06/11/2009 12:08:22
#59 - Look moron, just because I insult you for your brainless posts does not make me traitor,

But you are making things up, such as:

"attacked our own troops" - LIE, LIE, LIE. I did no such thing scumbag. this is what I posted:

"You can be against the war in Afhganistan and still support the troops, they are only carrying out policy, they did not create it. They do what they are told."


"failed to denounce the enemy and their crimes" - I dont support the Taliban, where the hell did you get that? To me, and anyone with half a brain, it is obvious, you dont need to condemn them, their actions are abhorrent to any civilised person. the difference between me and yiou is I dont lump 1.2 billion muslims into the same boat. Thats just rascism.







63

Linmal,

Livingston 06/11/2009 12:09:19
Sadly it is a fact of life that there will always be someone out there wanting to start a fight. What do you suggest? Get rid of all weapons? What then? Some nutter comes to take over the country, do we say "sorry we can't shoot you, help yourselves?" And watch while people are downtrodden, tortured, shot and killed, like has happened in other countries? Its not called defence for nothing. We have to have some form of defence, it would be wonderful if we didn't but lets get real people its not an ideal world and it never will be, there will always be some nutter wanting to dominate things.
64

Sandino,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 12:23:37
I hear so many speaking of "our heroes" and of islamist organisations hell-bent on destroying our way of life.
First of all, I can see nothing heroic in the act of killing poorly equipped human beings trying to oust an invading army and generally murdering with limited responsibility because they "are only following orders". They are called "heroes" because if the MoD were actually to spell out what they are doing there and why they were sent, the shame and pain of those who have lost a loved one in this illegitimate military aggression of a sovereign nation would be unbearable.
Also islamist terrorists and Al-Qaeda in particular oppose the west's support for oppressive regimes in muslim countries, their military and economic occupation of such countries and their support and arming of the uber-aggressive nation of Israel. Our rulers do not want democracy in these regions and they seek to undermine it and limit it in the west also.
To all who disagree, please investigate all my claims and then see if there are grounds for a continued parroting of the official propaganda remit.
65

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 16:35:34
For everyone who still believes we are in Afghanistan because of 9/11.......

"U.S. OK’d plan
to topple Taliban
a day before 9/11"

"WASHINGTON (MSNBC) - After years of delay caused by inadequate intelligence, the U.S. government decided just one day before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks that it would try to overthrow the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan if a diplomatic push to expel Osama bin Laden from the country failed, the independent panel investigating the attacks reported Tuesday......"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/

The whole thing is a lie.
Bring the troops home.
War is a Racket !


66

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 17:00:24
From an interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser in Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998......


Question: "The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?"

Brzezinski: "Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention."

Q: "Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?"

B: "It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would."

Q: "When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?"

B: "Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupporta
67

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 06/11/2009 17:01:34
B: "Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire."

Q: "And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?"

B: "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"

Q: "Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today."

B: "Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

http://hebdo.nouvelobs.com/hebdo/parution/p1732/articles/a19460-.html?xtmc=zbigniewbrzezinski&xtcr=5


They don't get called "Al-CIA-da" for nothing.
68

Calum Crubag,

06/11/2009 17:30:04
#8 - Alternative Head - why not send Blair and Brown to Afghanistan? Why not go yourself?

I think this petty vandalism pales into insignificance against the death being meted out to both soldiers and ordinary Afghans and Iraquis.
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James07,

embra 06/11/2009 22:21:03
Yeh these work-shy protesters should just have a wash and get jobs, like youse lot have. Then they can sit on their ar se at work and write comments on evening news stories all day!

You should thank these windae-phobes - they have made your day less dull ;)

 

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