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Published Date: 04 November 2009
IT MAY prove to be one of the most expensive bus lanes ever built – but also the most useful.
Transport bosses are set to spend more than £750,000 on a lane measuring just a few hundred yards to solve one of the Capital's worst bottlenecks.

The new segregated busway will run along Old Dalkeith Road heading towards Cameron Toll, one of the city's worst traffic pinch points.

The project is part of a £2 million programme of improvements to cut congestion in the south-east of the city.

The busway, which will run from the junction of Walter Scott Avenue to a bus stop on Cameron Toll roundabout, will be built at the side of the existing road. The current bus lane will be turned into a new lane for cars and other traffic.

The council says the scheme – set to be rubber-stamped at a meeting of the council's transport committee meeting this month – would allow the 30 buses an hour which pass through Cameron Toll to bypass the roundabout's traffic lights, cutting journey times and improving traffic flows.

A council spokesman said: "To help promote economic growth and regeneration in south-east Edinburgh, there is a pressing need for new public transport infrastructure to meet the demand generated by new developments.

"These proposals would improve bus service reliability and journey times, while also significantly enhancing cycling facilities."

Not everyone has welcomed the plans, however.

Dougie Barnett, 54, a local objector who is set to lose his on-street parking space, said the current bus lane was coping fine.

He said: "At no time of the day is there ever a queue of buses. I feel this is a ridiculous waste of council money. They could just put a slip road in much closer to Cameron Toll and save the council tax-payer hundreds of thousands of pounds."

Local councillor Ian Murray also branded the scheme "unnecessary" and said he would be urging officials to drop it altogether.

"It has become apparent that the £750,000 to save 20 seconds of a bus journey could be better spent," he said.

The council last year approved a series of schemes in the south of the city, including bus lanes along Lady Road and between Cameron Toll and Niddrie. There will also be new lanes at The Wisp, Liberton Road and at Newcraighall park and ride.


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  • Last Updated: 04 November 2009 11:51 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Incandescent,

04/11/2009 12:01:41
"...bypass the roundabout's traffic lights, cutting journey times and improving traffic flows."

So, they are effectively admitting that traffic lights at roundabouts cause bottlenecks, which any sane person knew from the moment they first appeared.
2

MrBones,

04/11/2009 12:15:52
Why not build a tram line instead. Oh yeh, that's right, our tram network only consists of one line
3

Hmm ...,

04/11/2009 12:17:05
... why not make this new lane open to all traffic, enabling them all to bypass the traffic light-controlled roundabout? If it removes the bottleneck, it must ease congestion and improve air quality as well.

And, having done so, would the traffic lights still be necessary on a road from which the congestion has been removed?

Typical of resident who doesn't want to lose "his" on-street parking space - doesn't he know that the PUBLIC highway isn't his personal property?
4

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04/11/2009 12:26:18
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Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 12:30:13
Yet more road works on the A7.....
6

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04/11/2009 12:30:16
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Big T,

04/11/2009 12:30:37
I travel this route every day.

After finally completing the construction/drainage works I could not believe that they did not put in a seperate bus lane for the 500 yards leading up to Cameron Toll.

The existing layout only gives ONE lane for cars and THAT is what causes the congestion. Building a seperate bus lane (at a fraction of the cost they refer to!) would have left the two existing lanes for cars - SIMPLES!
8

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04/11/2009 12:33:50
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totally indecent,

04/11/2009 12:36:42
Why on earth is it costing £750,000?
Are they putting diamonds in instead of cat's eyes?
10

Incandescent,

04/11/2009 12:38:46
#6 Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny...






Shut it!
11

Dragonlord,

04/11/2009 12:39:29
Quote:Transport bosses are set to spend more than £750,000

LIES, LIES, LIES! They have already spent upto £1Million pounds or more, moving the wall around the park! Nice new wall all reclaimed stone, with the excuse that it's part of the flood defences! They left a nice broad strip of land, how convenient! If they had said they were claiming part of the park for a bus lane, how many would have objected?
12

tsongkhapa,

Road works Edinburgh 04/11/2009 12:42:36
Roundabouts work until some fools decide to put traffic light there. Think Portobello road at rush hour, Newcraighall, etc.

When I first came here, traffic moved smoothly. Now (as a punishment for voting against tolls to enter and leave the city?)jams jams jams! Wise up. Scrap the lights and let the traffic go, provide free transport and fill the coucil managerial posts with sensible people. Idiots!
13

James Collins,

04/11/2009 12:46:55
30 buses an hour?!? So there will be 1 bus every 2 minutes going slightly quicker.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to open a third lane to all modes of transport and improve the traffic flow round the roundabout for everyone (start by sorting the light timings - by car or bike I always seem to hit a red light while the green light is on a clear road).
14

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 12:52:07
There never used to be a bottleneck at this location until they plastered green paint all over the roads, installed traffic lights on a perfectly good roundabout and replaced another perfectly good roundabout with a set of traffic lights.

Also would someone please tell me how REDUCING the road space available is going to sort out a bottleneck?

How can itr possibly be that such insane morons are allowed to make decisions like this?
15

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 12:53:08
(7) - you called?
16

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 12:54:08
#4:

The title of the program was:-

"Why don't you just switch off your television set and go and do something less boring instead?"

Get it right!
17

Hibernia,

04/11/2009 12:54:33
Why is it that if there is traffic problems the answer is a chuffing bus lane? Stop spending money on cutting down on the amount of room for other vehicles, stop building out the pavements, stop putting speed humps everywhere, stop putting traffic lights on roundabouts like the one in the story. All these problems with congestion etc have all been created by those currently in power and yet they still throw more money at it. Its not rocket science ffs.
18

Incandescent,

04/11/2009 12:56:04
#14 Fuel - I believe the intention is an additional lane?
19

Incandescent,

04/11/2009 13:01:43
Where's G-Tone? "Horse's Mouth" or another of his "very senior contacts" will surely be able to clear up any confusion here.
20

Hoof Hearted,

Potato 04/11/2009 13:03:07
#11. It's well documented in various council publications that the flood wall was moved to permit a future extension to the tram system down to the NRIE. This bus lane is just using the land available ahead of the construction of the tram - just the same as the guided busway at Stenhouse.
21

Bonzo,

04/11/2009 13:03:23
#14 Fuel Head
'Also would someone please tell me how REDUCING the road space available is going to sort out a bottleneck?'

Try reading the report very sloooooowwwwllly.

'The busway, which will run from the junction of Walter Scott Avenue to a bus stop on Cameron Toll roundabout, will be built at the side of the existing road. The current bus lane will be turned into a new lane for cars and other traffic.'

Understand now? Or do you require further explanation?
22

Incandescent,

04/11/2009 13:08:55
#20

"This bus lane is just using the land available ahead of the construction of the tram"

So, it'll be a bus lane for future generations, then.
23

Mince Pie Supper,

04/11/2009 13:14:00
I don't understand. What bottleneck? Traffic flows quite freely down this road!!!
24

NorT,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 13:23:46
Where they are intending building this bus lane is on land preserved for the tram line that they want to build to the ERI. They are going to be doing the same here as they did with the west Edinburgh guided busway system. It is so the council can spin about a future tram line.
25

Rugal,

04/11/2009 13:28:55
So the 10's of 1000 spent on landscaping the area is going to be wasted? Joined up thinking.

Someone needs to take a drive down ODR and work out where the bus lane is going to go when they hit the old entrance to Inch Park.

The road narrows so either the cottage will have to be knocked down or the land outside Bridge End Cottages will have to be turned into a road. Which is it?

All that's going to happen is the congestion will move further into town from the bottom of Dalkeith Road to The Commonwealth Pool.

Anyway this is all pie in the sky, the council don't have £750,000 to spend on a bus lane.
26

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 13:33:13
#21:

If you look at Google Maps, you will see why this is so expensive then.

How strange that they are actually planning to build a bus lane OFF the roads?

Whatever happens, if they simply returned the roads to the way they were prior to all the madness, the problems would be solved. I lived around this area for some time in the past and I dno't recall any delays or congestion. That only started once they got the tin of green paint out and replaced the roundabout with traffic lights.
27

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 04/11/2009 13:35:19
I travel this road every day between 7:30 and 7:45 - It is not a problem. Traffic lights have helped enormously, even if the timing is needs to be tweaked to stop favouring traffic from peffermill road.

The greenway on the road is for the most part pointless and even has a possible accident blackspot at the ERI where it suddenly stops. Saw a near miss there the other day (moral to the driver is, dont take on a bus, they are much bigger than you, blasting your horn wont stop it from crushing you..). I haven't a clue why they started it at Danderhall, a complete waste of money.

28

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 04/11/2009 13:37:12
#26 - I travel this road every day, pre and post lights, it was much worse without the lights.

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04/11/2009 13:55:57
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/11/2009 14:00:55
#28 Agreed - it's not always the case by any means, but adding the lights at the Cameron Toll roundabout significantly improved traffic flow. I simply don't understand why they didn't do the same thing at the far end of Lady Road, rather than ripping up that roundabout altogether and putting in slow traffic lights.

Petrolhead as ever is comparing things to a time when there were far fewer vehicles on the road.
31

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04/11/2009 14:02:36
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dumfersboy,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 14:12:43
Well HMM... as the resident losing "his" parking, for your info I actually have off street parking and the residents who are losing parking spaces will be provided for. If you thought about it there is an existing bus lane with double yellows on it already on the incoming lane, doh.. get your facts right HMM..
33

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 14:19:48
i had a strange dream last night, serious and honestly, all us posters on here met for a night out and we got on real well, argued etc about current situ's as said by the een, but reading this story and then i came to my senses! picturing gt in motorised wheelchair, wearing a pink shell suit and shouting about rolls and top decks! maybe gt should be council leader or is gt jenny dawe in drag? ponders that idea
34

likkitysplit,

Aliens studying us must be going "what the fu..." 04/11/2009 14:20:16
I travel that road quite often too and its never really a problem. Mind you like most people I cheat a bit and cut into the bus lane shortly before the approach to the roundabout.
If they're going to spend hard cash why not fix that excuse for a right turn filter lane at the Liberton Road junction at cameron toll turning into Gordon terrace. The cars queuing to turn right block the only lane available to traffic wishing to go straight ahead, since the left lane is another useless bus lane. Now there is a real bottle neck.
These council numpties never cease to get the wrong plan do they?

35

Big T,

04/11/2009 14:26:08
#27

Try it between 8.15 and 8.45am!!!
36

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 04/11/2009 14:59:28
#35 - used to travel at that time (but not for a few years) when the lights startd it was busy but fine. I do think the light timings need tweaked to give more priority to northbound traffic in the morning, its been out since the gas works last year.

My god this is boring...talking about traffic flow...must get back to work... but thats even MORE boring....
37

Eliz,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 15:18:06
#24 You got it in one! Devious shower aren't they?
38

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 15:23:31
£750k is cheap. This is what it costs for a wheel nut and two spare sprockets for a tram car.
39

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 16:18:18
Duncan:

"Petrolhead as ever is comparing things to a time when there were far fewer vehicles on the road."

I'm also probably going back to a time when your average driver was capable of negotiating a roundabout smoothly and with confidence.

I think we've had this discussion before, but I am not convinced that there is that much difference between the volume of traffic in the 1980s and now. There is certainly less road for it to drive on, lower speed limits and plenty of perfectly good roads blocked off. These factors give the impression that the level of traffic has risen but in reality, I don't think that this is the case at all.
40

Duncan in Edinburgh,

04/11/2009 16:50:50
#39 We have indeed had this discussion before. I quoted the ONS statistics, from http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=6523&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Rank=240

These show UK-wide growth in traffic on all major roads from an average of 9,100 vehicles per day passing an average point in 1981, to 16,600 vehicles per day in 2001.

I seem to recall that your response to this last time was to claim that the ONS lies to us in order to promote the government's evil anti-car policies. Is that still your position?
41

Chris,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 18:31:43
From my experience many drivers ignore the bus lane (when it is in force) anyway so that a driver obeying the traffic regulations finds they are unable to move into the 'Store' lane by the time the bus lane ends - there is a queue of cars/vans on his nearside.

#32 dumfersboy: HMM is quite correct in stating that there is no right to a residential parking space on a public highway unless officially provided, which they are not from Bridgend to Cameron Toll. As the article clearly states "a local objector who is set to lose his on-street parking space" I don't see where your off-street parking space comes into the discussion.
42

RS2,

04/11/2009 18:36:58
more council down the drain
43

Sue Baru,

04/11/2009 18:37:43
Headline should read "£750 bill to tackle notorious brassneck near Gorgie".

Despite failing his driving test countless times, our resident transport expert still thinks he knows better than anyone else when it comes to driving.

£750 would be well spent pimping his moby scooter.
44

RS2,

04/11/2009 18:39:01
41

Wrong again GT

RS2
45

Lexi Cographer,

04/11/2009 18:46:14
#44

In this context, "expert" has an interesting etymology.

The prefix "ex" identifies a has-been, while "spurt" describes a drip under pressure.
46

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 04/11/2009 20:04:44
Let's have some vision. How about getting the tram underground from Haymarket to Waverley...then....one branch north under Calton Hill to use the old BR route towards Leith Central before joining the tram being built. Would have left Leith Walk untouched as weel. Have another line going north in a bridge over the Waverley going underground at Jeffrey St to St Leonards then have another branch eastwards throught the old tunnel to Duddingston and then use the sub and disused routes to access the old Musselburgh Branch line and run through Musselburgh to Wallyford to interchange with the main line. From St Leonards also go underground via Cameron Toll and surface there towards NRIE and onwards to Danderhall and then use the old Bilston Glen railway towards Penicuik.
At the Waverley a lower level line from the south could use the old Scotland St Tunnel and run to both Leith and to Granton/Western General.
Include north circle and south sub circle trains and use the sub to run from Musselburgh to the Airport and we are starting to get a network. Add to the existing main line suburban /local routes a service to Gorebridge and a branch to loanhead and Penicuik and we start to have a service which will relieve the roads massively.
Yes it will cost money, i estimate someting like one millionth of the subsidy to RBS.
47

RS2,

04/11/2009 20:15:51
SarahB

re posting the other day on the tram TRO's

they are quite scary to see what TIE aka Edinburgh Council are Proposing

Confirming what we already knew that all other Public Transport will stop for the trams.

With so much exclusive road space, Buses/Cars will have less road space, with potential gridlock.

Its no wonder the Council have kept this quiet, funny how the EN hasn't been on the case.

Buses heading up Picardy Place into York Place, will from the plans, be filtered into the same lanes as traffic coming down Leith Street

Picardy Place to London Road is a nightmare.

TIE seem to be digging up bits of road that they worked on earlier in the year.......

RS
48

RS2,

04/11/2009 20:18:38
40 duncan you are correct

look at the bypasses (a1/a720) and you can see the growth in cars using them

cars used to be luxury.

now it is common to see households with 2 cars or more.

with all these housing estates being built out of town centres, only increasing the number of cars running around.
49

Crusty Juggler,

04/11/2009 20:56:48
#42 well said
50

Crusty Juggler,

04/11/2009 21:13:48
Oh, and right again #41
51

eDUCATIon,

04/11/2009 21:53:12
49

Youre wasted in your current job.....get yourself over and get on the Large Hadron Collider project pronto!
52

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:10:14
Fuel Head,

You've got a real paranoia about this council haven't you. People that drive this route every day have said it's better with the lights. I drive the Queensferry Road every second day and since they put the lights in at Barnton it's miles better.

But you lot just continue on with your conspiracy theories about the council punishing us all for rejecting the road tolls referendum and harking back to the 1980's when things were supposedly much better.

Of course you completely overlook the fact that most of these changes started before the road tolls referendum and that there are now twice as many cars on the road.
53

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:22:30
Ian Down Under,

One millionth of the subsidy to RBS would be about £200,000. Cheap at half the price.

But I agree with your sentiment. But who the hell's going to pay for it? How about this plan. Pull the troops out of Iraq immediately, scrap the fourth trident replacement, put VAT up to 20%, offer jobs on the project to all out-of-work bulders, offer all long-term unemployed (where possible) apprenticeships on the project. Remove benefits from those who don't have a good reason to refuse.

Of course that would just be a start.
54

eDUCATIon,

04/11/2009 23:28:08
53

What Fuel Head is saying is that things ran more freely before the powers that be started their "experiment" on urban transport. I sort of agree.

FYI, not everyone, including myself has a desk job 9 to 5 like the halfwits that come up with the road layouts. After all, if you want proof, they tried in the town centre around 2 years ago then found out they had to turn it back or make adjustments.

Instead of all these so called "experts" such as Begg and Burns, who clearly dont know what the general modern communter wants /needs i.e the busses are f******, cars are f*****, trams are f****** , maybe they should start listening to what the ordinary Joe wants and pay some sort of attention??

Over to you.......

55

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:36:32
#55

And what he is also saying is that the volume of traffic on the roads now is about the same as 20 years ago. FALSE, there are twice as many cars and volume is up 50% (see Duncan's post)

He also says that the Council does things like putting traffic lights on roundabouts to punish the car driver and slow things down. That's just plainly untrue and a conspiracy theory.
56

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:43:32
#55,

If we're going to get on to a general debate about the Council's traffic policy without all the paranoia, here's what I think:-

The Council has not decided to punish the car driver. What they have done is given massive priviliges on the road to buses, taxis and bikes. The by-product of that is inevitably going to slow down the car driver. But I do believe they do do things to alleviate that, like traffic lights on roundabouts.

Personally I support that general thrust. Pubilic transport must be given priority in a bid to reduce pollution and congestion.

The biggest thing I have a gripe about is allowing taxis into the greenways while barring motorbikes. I also think that some of the speed reducing measures have gone a bit far.

But I'm sorry to say that, for Fuel Head and the rest, the days of the car being king in our cities are well and truly over. Even the Tories accept that now.
57

eDUCATIon,

04/11/2009 23:44:32
The volume of traffic has increased, no doubt about that. No one can dispute that.

However, as I said, I dont spend my toime 9 to 5 as a desk jockey, I work all over Scotland, much of the time driving getting from job to job.

If you want efficient, clean, frequent public transport at the expense of the small business man ( I assume you know where Im coming from) then dont expect a clean, frequent, efficient invoice at the end of the day when we are sitting in queues all day.

Swings and roundabouts......
58

Street Walker,

Edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:55:03
Seems to me the biggest problem here is peoples obsessive resistance to anything that interferes with them using their beloved cars. Perhaps if everyone used the park and ride,or better still left the car at home, and caught the bus ,problems like this would simply evaporate and the whole city would benefit .And while they're at it change the priority on crossings to make cars wait whilst people cross the road , with an exception for buses. The traffic IS the problem , doesn't matter how many bus lanes , lights,roundabouts etc etc the council builds. Congestion charging might work as well , use the money for more buses/trams.
59

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:56:03
#58,

I know exactly where you're coming from. I've been driving these streets for 20 years but I honestly don't find it any worse now than it was back then. Maybe I've just got better at negotiating them.

One thing that seems to make a massive difference. Only travel between 9:30 and 4 and after 6:30 pm. That way you can fly around the place by driving along the greenways.
60

Julian.,

edinburgh 04/11/2009 23:59:58
#59

Agreed. But we need a better public transport system to make it just as easy as taking the car. Lothian Buses with their single doors and "pay on entry" doesn't help at all. Another couple of tram lines would probably work wonders as well...but that's almost a sacreligious thing to say here.
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eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:02:10
57

Of course they are "punishing" the car driver, nothing gives these failed middle class, wanna be, power crazy idiots a bigger buzz. They want a bridge over the Forth when common sense dictates a tunnel. Anyone with half a brain can see this. After all, driving in Switzerland through the Alps, tunnnel after tunnel on the main motorway from Germany to Italy. They want a tram, when they got scrapped 50 years ago. They stick speed bumps in roads when youre already doing 10mph as theres barely enough room to fit a fag paper between the parked cars when youre passing an oncoming vehicle? Its all just money down the drain. Typical short sighted nonsense.

62

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:07:48
59

Ive got 5 tool sets in my van.....it aint possible to get them on the bus/train/tram. I would need to employ another 4 guys as porters. I know where youre coming from but expect a bill with labour X5 on it. Want a quote?
63

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:13:32
60

Yup...Yeah youre right. I dont leave till 9am then try my best to get back before 4pm.....efficient Britain/Scotland, I think not......

Thats why our countries productivity is so low now, no one can be bothered with the jams and its up to these so called "experts" to end these so called "experiments."

64

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 00:14:49
#57,

You're beginning to sound a bit like fuel head. This council has been run by Tories, Labour, Lib Dems and SNP. And your contention is they're all on a personal vendetta against the car drive?. Most of them are probably car drivers themselves.

And what the hell were they thinking when they put traffic lights at Barnton and Cameron Toll? By doing so they helped the traffic flow.
65

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 00:16:16
Sorry that was meant to 62 education
66

Duncan in Edinburgh,

05/11/2009 00:25:21
#64 Why not leave early instead of late - then you can have a full working day, though you'd have to blame low productivity on something other than your favourite bogeymen. Roads are quiet at 7am, I can tell you that from daily experience.
67

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 00:27:59
Duncan

Of course that's assuming he's just travelling to and from work. But what if he's going between several different jobs?
68

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:30:16
Most of them are desk jockeys Julian, if not all of them. They want, like the rest of us, to get in to work with the minimum hassle. I used to get the bus into NSAH at the West End when I worked for the Scottish Government. I used to curse the traffic then in the late 80's.

Im putting across the argument for people such as myself who need to get about in private transport, us people who are growing businesses and trying our best to create jobs, and wealth. As far as I see, the transport policies are only hindering this. Its a pity that our so called experts dont recognise this.
69

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:36:15
67

Duncan, I can leave and start anytime I want, Im self employed. Thats the joys. I can take holidays whenever I want without asking someone if its OK.

But not all suppliers are open at 7am.....most of the are stuck in traffic jams........



70

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 00:38:20
68

Thanks, maybe Duncan has a grasp of the bigger picture now.
71

Street Walker,

05/11/2009 00:48:17
63

I guess you don't like the idea then ? you don't think just maybe a sensible policy would allow for Tradesmen and delivery vehicles ? . Cars with one person , repeating the same unessecary journey day in day out . A double decker bus could in theory remove 150 of these cars , whic would make life a lot easier for everyone .

61

It's a chicken and egg problem , invest in the buses first using tax payers money , or force people onto the buses now and use the money raised to improve the service? It is beyond me why they build a new multi million pound hospital , then a multi million pound tram system that doesn't serve it? Perhaps all the property development in Leith has something to do with it?
72

eDUCATIon,

05/11/2009 01:01:58
72

Its the most stupid idea. This is what I mean, you yourself have absolutley no idea what working on the tools means. If you want to get a bus back to the park and ride and pick up a hacksaw blade thats snapped then go for it and charge the customer for your time. May as well go straight home, Im sure they'll chuck you off the job by the time you get back!

Jeeeez, are you the product of a modern Scottish education? Dont bother sending a CV to me.

73

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 01:40:41
#73,

What's your solution then? I've thought about it and can't think of one myself. You can't allow tradesmen to use the greenways otherwise people would just abuse the privilege. I bet the council have already considered that. You do have the advantage, unlike most office workers, of being able to travel about between 9:30 and 4....so you can't complain too much.

At the end of the day it's widely accepted that tradesmen in Edinburgh charge a lot more. Which pretty much reflects the problems you have been talking about.
74

Julian.,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 02:50:18
#75

What do you mean even pedestrians and cyclists? Surely under the current green agenda they would come far above anyone else.
75

Duncan in Edinburgh,

05/11/2009 08:21:22
#68/71 My comment applies in either case. I was fully aware from earlier comments that #71 is not a "desk jockey". But you said explicitly that you *chose* to leave after 9 - what I'm saying is that you could also *choose* to leave before 7.30. Presumably you are travelling *to* somewhere, so it doesn't need to be open early - and most supplies places will be open from 8 at least.

I'm simply addressing the complaint you made originally that you had to leave late and therefore have a short day. It isn't true. You *choose* to do so. Fair enough - so don't complain about it!
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Mr Hankey,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 11:49:45
A few days ago the council was saying how they are needing to cut costs by shutting schools and now they are looking at spending £750k on this plan? Was the Seafield roundabout "improvements" not £2million in the end as well? Also the crash at the Seafield junction the other day looked like it was the result of rush our traffic being forced from two lanes to one as well so congratulations council your stupidity knowns no end.

 

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