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'Sterling efforts' see 900 fined for using bus lanes



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Published Date: 21 January 2008
MORE than 20 drivers a day have been hit with fines since the council's parking attendants took over the job of patrolling bus lanes from police traffic wardens.
New figures have revealed that 900 motorists were hit with parking tickets in the six weeks after the council took over control of greenways in November.

The majority of drivers were ticketed for stopping in the Greenways. Parking in a free bay fo
r longer than permitted and waiting in a loading bay when not loading, were also common reasons for fines.

A total of 17 cars were towed away in the same period.

Lothian Buses today said the number of roadworks across the city at the moment meant it was too early for them to gauge what difference the "sterling efforts" of the city's attendants had made.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "Greenways and bus lanes play a vital part in keeping the road network flowing as freely as possible by giving buses priority over other road users during peak times.

"If vehicles park in them during busy times then buses are hindered, which causes congestion and lengthens journey times."

Police chiefs halved the number of wardens in July last year ahead of a transfer of the patrols to NCP Services. However, the transfer took five months to complete, and in the meantime there was an increase in rush-hour delays as drivers parked in the greenways.

The reduction in wardens will save the police £2.4 million over three years. Police-employed traffic wardens will still be responsible for fining motorists caught driving in bus lanes, although this is likely to change over the next few years when the council's CCTV network takes over.

Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: "I am not surprised because they are in it for the money and it is in their own and NCP's interests because they want to issue more tickets.

"I still feel a fully-staffed traffic warden service was doing a good job and were good for waving people on or talking to people when they were going wrong."

Drivers caught parked on the Greenways face a fine of £60 – or £30 if paid within 14 days – and have to pay £105 to get their car out of the pound if towed away.

George McKendrick, Lothian Buses operations manager, said: "The roadworks across the city means it is hard to ascertain if significant benefits have been obtained from the sterling efforts of the council's enforcers."



The full article contains 433 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

ddmc,

21/01/2008 11:38:20
why are the bus lanes on the A71 full time (0730-1830) compared to the majority of bus lanes which operate at peak times only ?
2

Yabanci,

Stuck behind a bus 21/01/2008 11:38:58
Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "If vehicles park in them during busy times then buses are hindered, which causes congestion and lengthens journey times."

So we have it from an official source. Hindering traffic causes congestion.

Why then have so many bus stops beeen altered so the buses now stop in the centre of the road, completely blocking all following traffic?
3

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 12:11:14
#2 Perhaps if more motorists let buses pull out of stops as they are told to do in the Highway Code, then this would not be necessary.
4

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/01/2008 12:16:30
#2 I'm afraid you have the selfish actions of other motorists to blame for this. The stick-out stops have been introduced where buses were constantly having to contend with cars and vans using the bus stop as a parking space, and where buses were finding it impossible to pull back out onto the carriageways. If motorists were less selfish such things wouldn't be needed. It's a shame.
5

mrmoneypenny,

21/01/2008 12:21:47
Glad to hear it, i wish there was a program on TV showing the culprits faces when finding the ticket, or when their car was towed.

Also, although im against the trams, i am looking forward to the car chaos. Bepp Beep.
6

Bob 2,

21/01/2008 12:32:03
what about the Bus lanes on the East Side
York Place, London Road & Willowbrae Road.
Never seen anyone getting stopped.

On some evenings they're queuing to get into the bus lanes on willowbrae road.
On One Occasion the Driver used the outside lane (as it was clear of cars), then moved into the left hand lane at the END OF BUS LANE sign.

No 2, someone has already pointed out about the bus stops.
Hope you never have the misfortune to be in a wheelchair or Infirm in your old age.

Its like the old question, why do people park in/close to bus stops, yet theres nothing parked for miles either side of the bus stop!
7

Grumpy,

21/01/2008 12:38:30
But why is is that you can park in a bus lane on the east side of the city but not on the west? All down to a tin of red paint and roadmarkings.

But why do people rarely drive in bus lanes when it's ut of hours? I do - but get funny looks from other drivers - especially when I overtake (legally) on the inside.
8

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 12:47:53
#7:

I've wondered about that too. Do people really like queueing up that much?
9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/01/2008 13:32:59
#7 True, it's an absolute nonsense. I remember a discussion on here some time back in which someone claimed that they didn't know when the lanes were active. When it was pointed out that signs show the times at every bus lane start, this person then said that they couldn't read the signs so just always assumed they were active. Astonishing, but true.
10

Sarcasm,

21/01/2008 13:44:55
Astonishing, but true, and boring.
11

Franck,

21/01/2008 13:53:07
astonsishing, but true and boring and a load of sh!te
12

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 14:11:21
#9:

I thought there was a minimum required standard for eyesight.
13

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/01/2008 14:21:59
#12 Indeed. The fact that the person didn't meet it was what I found astonishing. Others may disagree; some may go as far as saying that it was boring and a load of sh!te. Apparently.
14

Jason L. McKenzie,

21/01/2008 15:41:56
If

"Lothian Buses today said the number of roadworks across the city at the moment meant it was too early for them to gauge what difference the "sterling efforts" of the city's attendants had made."

then how can

[Councillor Phil Wheeler say that] "Greenways and bus lanes play a vital part in keeping the road network flowing as freely as possible by giving buses priority over other road users during peak time."

So. The bus company think the efforts of enforcers to be "sterling", despite admitting no knowledge of their success or otherwise, and yet the councillor is happy to wheel(er) out the same tired old crap about traffic flow being improved by its, er, restriction.
15

Jason L. McKenzie,

Moredun 21/01/2008 15:44:17
3: Perhaps teaching bus drivers that indicators are to be used to indicate intent rather than show what you have just done might also be an idea, no?
16

Jakey Rowling,

21/01/2008 15:53:57
Does this sterling work involve pounding the streets.
17

mrmoneypenny,

21/01/2008 16:18:45
#15 Maybe if you wrote something that made sense, it would be easier for people not to ignore your nonsense.
18

TW,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 16:30:36
#6 'On One Occasion the Driver used the outside lane (as it was clear of cars), then moved into the left hand lane at the END OF BUS LANE sign.'

Is #6 suggesting that this driver was flouting the Highway Code? This driver was probably the only person on Willowbrae road actually obeying the Bus Lane Rules. I often travel that route and the Bus Lane is often full of cars for at least 150 yards from its' end. They are the ones breaking the law!
When I travel the same route outside the Bus Lane times (when it is open to cars) no one wants to go into it and they drive down the middle of the road, then cut accross without signalling.
19

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 21/01/2008 16:54:32
#15, Spanish donkeys (when they're not being thrown off church towers), or donkeys on holiday in Spain stay in a Don Quixotel.
20

is it me?,

21/01/2008 17:03:28
#14

"Dunheehawing"

21

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 17:16:09
#7 Grumpy, "But why do people rarely drive in bus lanes when it's out of hours? I do - but get funny looks from other drivers - especially when I overtake (legally) on the inside."
Because you are not overtaking legally, what you are doing is illegal unless the vehicle you are passing on the left is indicating that it is turning right.
22

is it me?,

21/01/2008 17:24:51
"Asston Villa"
23

is it me?,

21/01/2008 17:26:33
#23
It's legal in slow moving traffic.
24

is it me?,

21/01/2008 17:42:10
...or if you're in a dedicated lane, (e.g. bus lane).
25

Finbarr Saunders,

21/01/2008 17:58:37
#25 - is it me? - Going by the number of taxis that overtake me on the inside whilst I am driving in free-flowing traffic at the designated speed limit, there must also be a little-known law that allows taxi drivers to drive well in excess of speed limit along bus lanes.

Just reinforces my low opinion of them.
26

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 18:21:05
However you dress it all up, a simple fact remains---bus lanes are a hazard.

27

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 20:48:43
#16 - You can almost guarantee a bus driver will use his indicators - pity car drivers do not use theirs.

Three cheers to the parking attendants for enforcing this criminal offence - they are doing a great job. However, why aren't they making arrests of these drivers instead of just a ticket?

Bruce Young states "I am not surprised because they are in it for the money and it is in their own and NCP's interests because they want to issue more tickets. I still feel a fully-staffed traffic warden service was doing a good job and were good for waving people on or talking to people when they were going wrong." - Obviously the traffic wardens were not doing their job properly as the bus lanes were always blocked by offenders - talking to drivers or waving at them FAILED. Hence the reason fines are now being issued in great numbers. If drivers obeyed the law no tickets would be issued, which makes a mockery of Youngs statememnt about it being a money making venture.

Car drivers only have themselves to blame - however to make it more effective I suggest the seizure of any vehicle involved in the commission of this crime. Good vehicles could then be sold on, raising money to support the scheme, and the rest of the vehicles crushed - at the owners expense.

28

is it me?,

21/01/2008 21:26:03
#28

Inconsiderate drivers are the hazard. Not markings on the ground.
29

Bob 2,

21/01/2008 21:38:02
No 19 TW
Is #6 suggesting that this driver was flouting the Highway Code?
ANSWER Nope, just highlighting how bad the Bus lanes in the East Side of Edinburgh are. The Driver was in the right. Indicating, the cars in the BUS LANE for some reason thought they were in the Right.
Like yourself I've been stuck in Queues of car in the bus lane.

Only last week the queue was up at the start of the bus lane. Despite the "outside lane" being open. there was road works at the Lady Nairne, but these were just at the end of the bus lane. So there was no reason to be in the bus lane.
Car Drivers are like lemmings, all following each other.

It is a strange phenomenon in Edinburgh, when the bus lanes are in operation....BIG BLUE SIGN.....car drivers want to drive in them. Yet out with the operational times of the bus lanes...nobody wants to drive in them
Can any car commuter explain this to us?
30

is it me?,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 21:41:10
#27 Finbarr

Personally, I always give way to buses, taxis, vans, and anyone else who has to drive for a living. It costs nothing and makes me feel good. Sometimes surprises them too. Try it.
City driving isn't a competition you know, and I despair for the petrolheads that think that built-up areas are for private cars only.
31

Julian,

EDINBURGH 21/01/2008 22:27:53
#32 Bob2

Maybe they should spend some of their time ticketing the car drivers in the outside lane when the bus lanes aren't operating. They are also breaching the highway code.
32

Finbarr Saunders,

21/01/2008 23:02:07
#33- is it me? - I am a courteous driver and I make a special effort to be considerate with regard to buses, but taxi drivers are generally pondlife.

Believe me when I say that they have earned my utter contempt.
33

roadstohell,

Embra 24/01/2008 13:04:27
And another boring fact is that, private hire taxis are NOT allowed to use the bus lanes !!!!!
Funny that, as in odd, also another boring fact is that private hire taxis are incapable of speeds less than 60mph, and have indicators & mirrors rendered superfluous,Mhhhh
34

roadstohell,

24/01/2008 13:06:37
OBTW, the next step is for the buses with forward pointing cctv cameras to capture images of people driving in the bus lanes, next thing you will know about is when a fixed penalty drops through your letter box, snigger,guffaw

 

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