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'Bank of Vlad' to write off £12m Hearts debt



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Published Date: 07 July 2008
JUST under a third of Hearts' debt is to be written off after Vladimir Romanov's investment company announced today that it is to swap it for a bigger share in the club.
Under the plans by Ukio Banko Investicine Grupe (UBIG), £12 million that it is owed by the Gorgie club will be written off in return for 34.2 million newly-created shares.

It would mean that UBIG, which is chaired by Mr Romanov, will see its stake in Hearts increase from around 82 per cent to over 95 per cent.

Club officials say the deal will smooth the way for the proposed £51 million redevelopment of Tynecastle Stadium, by making it easier to borrow more money.

Hearts said that the proposals confirm UBIG's financial commitment and "long-term" interest in the club, following recent reports that Mr Romanov may walk away.

The proposals, which require shareholder approval, would see overall debt at the club reduced from £36.5m to around £24.5m.

It will also result in annual interest charges on the debt reducing by £600,000.

Roman Romanov, chairman and chief executive at Hearts, said: "UBIG and its chairman, Vladimir Romanov, have a considerable long-term interest in Hearts as a leading professional football club based at Tynecastle Stadium.

"The directors believe the current proposal to convert £12m of debt into equity demonstrates the strength of UBIG's continued financial commitment to Hearts."

Club officials also said that the deal will accelerate the point at which Hearts may return to profitability – although officials at the club were not willing to give an indication of any potential time-scales or targets.

The deal also reveals for the first time the full extent of Hearts interest payments.

It has been paying £1.8m a year to Ukio Bankas in interest, although that will now reduce to around £1.2m. However, it is thought the payments are at a favourable interest rate, lower than any that could be offered by a UK commercial bank.

In a statement to the Evening News announcing the plans, the club said: "The debt for equity plan provides further evidence of UBIG's aim to continue to develop Hearts on and off the field and, together with continued cost efficiencies, help the club reach profitability.

"The conversion allows Hearts to benefit from a much stronger capital position and provides opportunities to raise external funding for the redevelopment of Tynecastle Stadium.

"The directors of Hearts are also exploring what additional measures may be taken to further improve the financial situation of the company."

Despite the reduced debt, other shareholders' share in the club will be diluted as a result of the 'debt-for-equity' deal, which sees UBIG pay 35p for every new share.

Shareholders will now vote on whether to accept the proposal at an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) on July 31.

It is thought this will be a formality though, as although the move requires 75 per cent approval, UBIG already accounts for 82 per cent of shareholders.

Mr Romanov said: "The directors consider that the terms of the proposed debt-for-equity conversion are fair and reasonable insofar as the company's shareholders are concerned and will, if effected, promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole."

Alex Gowans, chairman of the Heart of Midlothian Shareholders Association, said: "When UBIG got involved with Hearts there were two alternative expansion routes – through debt or through equity. At the time, they decided they wanted to use debt to finance the development of the club.

"Since then, debt has risen from around £16m or £17m to about £35m-36m. That is unsustainable and has put a pressure on the balance sheet.

He added: "Although Hearts is a PLC, it is to all extents and purposes being run as a private company.

"The Hearts minority shareholders have an emotional attachment to the club and they want to keep that – while it is nice for them to see profit, it is not their main motivation for holding shares."


The full article contains 683 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 July 2008 1:14 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Jamboman1874,

Methil 07/07/2008 11:57:05
Thank you UBIG, cue desperate responses from darktown, btw what was the score in the Inter Tattie?
2

Away down In Gorgie (2),

07/07/2008 11:58:33
Finally some good news.

Maybe the news of Hearts demise is a bit premature.

Anyway - the hobos are out of Europe before the trades finished
3

GrahamL,

07/07/2008 12:05:06
Right. Now, I've been for a wee while - had a truck to drive to Japan dontcha know - and it looks very much like nothing has changed round Tynecastle. Or round here.
So, before this all gets horribly confusing, does anyone know what this actually means? UBIG have a bigger share in Hearts now. Given they had complete control already I'm struggling to see:
a) the point
b) the downside
Of doing this.
Presumably they want less debt, so they can borrow more cash. Would I be right in thinking that this would be from a third party? Since being able to borrow from Ukio Bankas would be a given regardless of our current debt?
Or is there some clever stockmarket rule that Vlads looking to exploit that needs 95% of shareholders to agree to it which he couldn't before?
4

Where's the Flair, Worcs.,

DROITWICH SPA 07/07/2008 12:06:50
Before everyone gets too excited. Securing a larger stake in the investment means it is easier and less complicated to dispose of.
5

gods lovechild,

07/07/2008 12:08:26
but you're still 24 million in debt and given
"MR ROMANOV'S" track record it will increase again ...would hearts have done any better in the intertoto ?? elfsborg are halfway through thier season second in the league and unbeaten in 14 games
6

The Maroon Seasider,

Dunbar 07/07/2008 12:09:11
Re-arranging deckchairs springs to mind. No wild speculation about the manager today, which makes a nice change...
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07/07/2008 12:12:27
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Stotty,

07/07/2008 12:13:30
I personally don't see how anyone could perceive this to be negative, but I'm sure plenty will...

A saving of 600k a year in interest is going to make a big difference towards Hearts profitability.

It's not in VR's interests for Hearts to be unsuccessful, whichever way you look at it. Appoint a decent manager (and this is supposed to be imminent) and a lot of Hearts fans should be feeling a whole lot more comfortable regarding the club's future.
9

The Maroon Seasider,

Dunbar 07/07/2008 12:14:52
#5 No idea - what do you think?
10

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/07/2008 12:15:20
Still boringly average whatever way you look at it.
11

LaurieD,

Angus 07/07/2008 12:15:51
OK on paper to me this seems like a reasonably positive bit of news, however I'm no expert(or even a novice) in how these financial things work so I'm still more than a little wary. And in terms of the mentioned £51 million development of Tynie where is this funding all coming from? Sorry if it has been discussed before but I can't remember if the details of this were made clear by UBIG and the club. Anyway what I really want is some kind of financial expert to advise what the implications of this news really is - although the saving of £600k p/a on interest surely can't be a bad thing?
12

Old Reekies Big Team,

07/07/2008 12:16:09
#5 You fool, you got beat in the intertoto cup thats what counts!! Tee Hee!
13

Bigwull,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:17:11
Funny thats almost the same amount as has been raised by the sale of Gordon and Bednar, still its better news than normal.
14

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 07/07/2008 12:17:47
I don't believe Vlad does anything for Hearts other than to line his own pocket.

I think he will eventually leave Hearts with only the name and asset strip the lot!

He pretends he doesn't speak good English when he can. He is making the money selling his foreign players and taking the money out to his foreign bank and no doubt tax free as his main residence is abroad.

He can'teven appoint a good manager - not because one is not available - just because he won't allow a manager the job is he supposed to do manage!

Lithuanian mafia is what we have at hearts now....

Sad so sad......
15

Stotty,

07/07/2008 12:20:30
#14 - Asset strip? When Romanov took over Hearts were nearly £20m in debt and loss making. With liabilities like that, there's not a lot of assets to strip!

This flies in the face of everything the "tick tock tick tock" merchants post about Romanov & Hearts.
16

Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:24:59
I never graduated with a first in Hobonomics from The University of Leith but...

£600, 000 less interest a year? I have to say that has to be a good thing surely?

UBIG already pretty much owned Hearts outright anyway so I can't see why someone would want to spend £12m as a way of making it easier to shut something down?

Hearts are already cutting down the outgoings from the wages of the squad and with the money coming in from player sales and merchandise etc then we must be in a much stronger trading position now.

I would like to hear Wookie come on here and let us know what he has heard about stand sponsorship deals as such a move would put us in a very strong position again.

Oh nearly forgot... Wasn't Vlad and UBIG going bust due to the drop in price of some Romanian shares or some such p1sh, we were told last week that he was skint and would be unable to put money into unecessary things like football clubs in foreign countries... surely this is contrary to the article though... I thought it was fact??? I'm all confused now?

Manager needed and we will be up and running... still gutted about the Kauno/Ripo players thing but Roman wasn't built in a day (although it does look as though he was rushed)
17

the west end general,

07/07/2008 12:25:43
#14 he does not speak 'good' english - thats another myth put out to decry him - he can comminicate just enough to get by and his point across.

This news about the share issue is good news FACT
18

FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 12:27:22
if you cannae spell it, then heres what it says

'Lithuania of Lithuaniathian'
19

Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:27:31
#14

i am no fan of the man but c'mon... If you are asset stripping something do you put £12mil in first and waste monet applying for planning permision for building works on a peice of land that could have been sold a year ago and blamed on crippling debts?... Again i am no Hobonomicist but that's not how i'd go about things personaly.
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07/07/2008 12:30:45
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07/07/2008 12:31:49
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Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 12:32:39
Frankly, I think it's a master stroke from Vlad...Tesco of Midlothain instead of Heart of Midlothian is something I've been waiting for for years!
23

Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:32:55
#18

Franky boy,

Naw you mean H E A R T S if you canny spell it then you probably support Hibs,

We've won the league flag and we've won the league cup,

we sometimes go down but we aye come back up,

We've won all the honours in footballing art, n' theres nae other team tae compare with the Hearts,

H E A R T S!...
24

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07/07/2008 12:34:00
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:34:55
#20 +21

Just read your heart warming account of your proposal and marriage plans for Sergie.

Brought a tear to my eye you old romantic... Funniest thing you have done yet Riley!
26

Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 12:34:55
#5

Mr Romanovs track record, Would you care to elaborate on this?

When he first came in he expected to breeze the league by spending on silly wages for decent players, thus in hand with the managerial merrygoround has done nothing to help the situation BUT he now seems to be taking his time to get the right management structure in place (to suit his own f4nnying around with the team), He has also gotten rid of alot of the Big earners at the club and is only selling players at a fair value and not letting other teams bully him into selling for rubbish amounts.

He is here for the longterm and although i and alot of people dont like it we just have to go with it at the present time.
27

Smasher,

07/07/2008 12:35:34
And whoosh twelve million pounds debt disappears. Sounds like one of those day time TV adverts to get rid of your debt. Sounds a good idea but is it really?
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07/07/2008 12:35:59
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:37:31
#25

Oh i see, you're the unfunny and miserable Riley today and not the witty and modest one, Oh well not much point in talking to you then.

Congratulations anyway and i do honestly think your web page is tremendous.
30

Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 12:39:44
#28

Naw - your right. It is better to take you Hibs view, that ANY Hearts story is a negative one.

Well done Hibs yesterday by the way, a flawless record in the Intertattie cup.

Shame that is the last year of it but hey.

Brian Kerr for SPL player of the year!
31

Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 12:40:04
My only concern is - is there any way this could be a cover for the money we got from player sales last season?

If not then the debt reduction should stand at nearly £24m due to player sales and this new share/cash scheme.
32

Iain Bhern,

07/07/2008 12:43:05
On the face of it saving 600K a year sounds good but in terms of the annual turnover and the remaining debt it's really not an awful lot of money. This statement should be looked at carefully though, "by making it easier to borrow more money." Now I seem to recall being told by all you jambos that everything was in place financially to fund the new stand, this to me contradicts that. As you keep telling us, as the debt is to UBIG and UBIG through Romanov own Hearts then you are actually owe the debt to yourselves. Making it easier to borrow more money infers that they will be looking outside the UBIG group to borrow and that's an entirely different thing altogether. I just can't see the point in getting rid of debt just to take on more. It's like paying off one credit card and then taking out another and spending on it up to its max. No doubt Vlad knows what he's doing but I just can't see any logic in it.
33

Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:43:32
#31

This crossed my mind too but as i have with all the negative stories about hearts i will also wait and see and give Vlad the benefit of the doubt on this one.

If it is as you suggest then we had better see some bl00dy good players arrive for the money.

Hey by the way i left you a message on TOTT.

34

Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 12:44:52
#24 Muchacho - Tartan Bawheid.

Hibs were highly entertaining yeterday, don't ya think Muchacho. Just the kind of performance we have come to expect from the masters of flair.
35

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

07/07/2008 12:45:12
You can spot the bitters amongst the littlest hobos, all they have been bleating on and on about for nearly 2 years is the debt and how Vlad will sell up and asset strip us blah, blah blah so watch them now try and knock the decrease in debt by not only this 12 million, but also the funds for players sold down south which will be taken into account at the end of the next financial year. Just to top the news off with a cherry on the top will be the managers appointment. Still has to be the right choice and quickly.
36

FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 12:45:25
23

I'm more of a croquet person. I find football terribly common.
37

HHJAMBO,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:45:28
It's great to see all the hobos on here getting all excited about club finances in order to ignore their defeat yesterday. Oooohhh balance sheets! All your xmas's have come at once!
38

Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 12:47:28
23

I can hear you mum calling you for yer tea!!
39

FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 12:47:41
23
what is this 'nae' and 'tae'?
40

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:51:10
This may have more to do with UBIG having to write down the value of the debt as irrecoverable in its books than any grand plan. At a level of £24.5m the debt might just be covered by the potential sale of club and the stadium for redevelopment.

However, unless Hearts manage to fix their ongoing operating deficit the future continues to look bleak.
41

Harrypots,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:53:36
#31 Nope so the accounts are still to show the transfers fees of Gordon & Bednar as well as the 200k we just got for Goncalves' loan so £24.5m-£9m-£2.3-£0.2m = Debt of £13M which will be further helped by continual increases in merchandising (Record away top sales) despite the poor results/management of the football side of club. Not forgetting the fact we have got rid of wage thiefs like Pinilla !
42

Jamboy,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 12:54:26
#32

Ian,

All clubs need to be able to borrow money. If we are seeing debts reduced in the meantime then this looks like more prudent financial business than we have witnessed in recent seasons.

As for the stand I believe that we arranged with UBIG the go ahead for us to increase our borrowing to facilitate this but i may be wrong, I think a lot of people were adding the potential borrowing limit to our debts for a while and assuming that the combined figure was our actuall debt. Again i may be wrong but that is as i remember it.

We really need Wookie to come on and give us a but more info on what he hears as with the points you raise about stand funding and his sources info about stand sponsorship then i would expect somethingt in the middle of the two views... perhaps half of the stand paid by a sponsor and us paying the rest.

either way when your debt is in the region of 30 odd mil and 12 mil is wiped of that figure then this is a very good thing indeed and despite this season's dip in season ticket sales the money has certainly been coming into Tynie through player sales, merchandise and tickets so i hope to see these things dent our debt when next years figures are announced.

The reduced wage bill is welcome when it see the end of wasters like panilla and Jose also but if they are replaced only by Kauno and ripo players then we are fooked but seeing as there is more TV money for higher league finishes also this year then i expect vlad to want a better share of this and buy in two or three quality players to supplement the dross we will be expected to carry again.

43

Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 12:56:13
"This may have more to do with UBIG having to write down the value of the debt as irrecoverable in its books than any grand plan. "





Or that could be your wild Hobonomist mind having it off with itself.

We all know that FFFHibs fans souldn't possibly admit that Hearts having £12 million LESS debt is actually a GOOD thing , no the Leith massive have decided that this is IN FACT a bad thing.

So go on, wee Hobos. Fill yer boots.
44

Steve_HMFC,

07/07/2008 12:56:33
Loved my text from Evening News breaking me a story that Talk 107 carried this morning.

Also love the "In a statement to the Evening News announcing the plans.." and then they just copied and pasted the statement on the Hearts Website!! Cutting edge journalism!

Us Jambos havnt had much to smile about recently and this still isnt brilliant but for us to reduce a bit of debt, the club to actually start communicating with us, and Hibs to once again get humped in 'europe' before anyone's been on their summer holiday... I can think of worse ways to start the week(and being a Jambo we usually do suffer much worse starts to the week!)
45

Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 12:57:38
My god Jamboy, you don't half go on. Why say it is two words when you can say it in 1.278!
46

FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 12:59:25
45

Leave him alone, he is unemployed and loose women isn't on today
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07/07/2008 12:59:57
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 13:00:06
Graeme

remind us again who it would be that would buy tynecastle for redevelopment again, as they would only be allowed to build houses on half the land due to McFarlane smith safety zone, on top of this almost all the housebuilders in the uk have put a freeze on land purchase for new developments until they can shift the stock they are already stuck with. Persimmon are looking to lay off another 1000 staff and this is only the tip of the iceberg as most other housebuild companies will be looking to do the same.
49

Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

07/07/2008 13:00:56
Yesterday - a feeble 7,000 see Hibs make their annual exit from the intertatty before the trade hols finish.
Today - Hearts debt to go down, but predictably the Hobonomics see this as bad news.
#40 Classic! LOL. Never mind school goes back soon.

50

Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:02:06
Yeah, but he's probably watching it on Sky+. It's amazing what you get with a giro these days.
51

Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 13:02:12
#47

Go on, wee Hobo.

fill yer boots, ya predictable wee sack that you are.

Hibs 0.
52

Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:02:36
#28

Paddy, i was replying in the same fashion as your pathetic little one line post about spelling Lithuanian in relation to the hearts song... if you don't like hearing childish responces then stop posting childish p1sh online.

#39

Nae: Old Scots edinburgh dialect for no.

Tae: Old Scots edinburgh dialect for to.

Hope that helps yeh tae understand my post since you appear tae have nae brains.
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:05:21
#43

didn't see who that was aimed at but it is the funniest thing i have read today since i read riley's blog on his bebo page!

"Or that could be your wild Hobonomist mind having it off with itself."

LOL!
55

Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:06:16
52

Jamboy, are you lithuanian?
56

Iain Bhern,

07/07/2008 13:06:22
Your right Jamboy we need Wookie to explain this. However it seems to me that the best analogy I can come up with is that what UBIG are doing is akin to me taking money out of my savings account and putting in in my current account. The money is still mine, it's just in a different place and I've wiped out my overdraft. Now I'm off to the shops to spend money on my credit card so I'm no longer owe the bank money but the credit card company instead. Simplistic I know but that's how I see it.

Worst case scenario is as has been mentioned it's a way for Ukio Bankas writing down the value of the debt. It may just be that it's taken this long for Ukio to catch cold after the USA financial system sneezed last year.
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:07:31
Thats why i'm at work and your not.

Now toddle off and do something constructive with your afternoon
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Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 13:07:41
#53

Aye, because you are really "ripping us up".



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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:08:24
Paddy... You and frank... Are you holding hands?
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07/07/2008 13:08:58
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Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:09:09
No. What are you holding hands with?
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07/07/2008 13:10:34
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:10:49
its certainly not a dictionary.

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Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 13:12:26
#62

See how you call us all Muchachos.

Isn't that rather ignorant?
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Jimmy Jam Tart,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:12:59
It's definitely a good thing that the debt will decrease to around 24 mill. There should also be the CG/others money still to be accounted for which again should reduce the debt to around the 16-17 mill mark.

Now if he would just stop treating the club as his personal play thing and admit that professional people with footballing knowledge should be left to run the football side of the club, we could finally get back some respectability.

Heck, I might even renew my season ticket for the 11th year.
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:14:34
#56

no offence but i think you will always presume on the side of the negative on a Hearts story like this and there will be too many hearts fans shouting from the rooftops about how this is us going to take on the best in europe.

I prefer to wait and see just as i held my council on all the negative stories before getting all Dundee UTD and in a flap I will treat what appears to be good news in the same manner.

I am however quietly encouraged by such a story.

Nice to have an adult conversation about it though ian... Could you maybe give frank and Paddy a job raking leaves in your garden or something to keep them off the library's internet as they don't really bring much to the debate.
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Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:15:17
59

Anyway JamBoy, I'm off 'tae' carry on with work. Enjoy Loose Women and your afternoon. Oh, and maybe put your toys back in the pram.
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:16:13
What do you call a Hearts fan with half a brain?
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:16:23
Gifted.
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the west end general,

07/07/2008 13:17:37
# slight aside but after your pathetic crowd yesterday whats your estimate for the Barca game?
ps
I wonder if Brazil will now start copying your flowing 4-5-1 'style'
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GraemeH,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:17:45
#60 I have no idea what you are on about. Oh, and for #43 I am not a "Hobo" fan, or a Hearts fan for that matter, but just commenting on what my own view is on the rationale for the write off.

#48 - I don't know who would buy Tynecastle in the current climate but it does still retain some value to developers. It is not so long ago when the market was buoyant that values of £20m+ were suggested for the site. That could be the basis of the valuation used by UBIG.
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:19:23
#61 and 63

Look girls it's okay I won't judge you.

Everyone neads love eh? It is just that your names suggest close proximity and you have that dead sweet thing going on where old couples of decades of marriage do that finishing each other's sentences thing, for example...

Paddy: ..."No. What are you holding hands with?"
Frank: "its certainly not a dictionary"

Really nice actually... AAWW!
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Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 13:19:30
#66

No I am not. But £12 million off the debt is not a bad thing, not matter what the crazed, delusional, drugged and rather mindless Hobo Hoboconomists on this site would have you believe.

See, I rather happen to think that £12million less debt, as in Hearts debt being reduced by £12 million is a good thing.

Still, I suppose we Hearts fans can only dream of having a club run along the "Rod Petrie" model. egh.
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busbyfh,

07/07/2008 13:20:57
The picture on Talk 107's site (where the news was originally released) is a wee meassage to the doubters (of which I am one)
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Jambo Number 1,

07/07/2008 13:21:17
GraemeH - are you some kind of expert on Lithuanian banking?

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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

07/07/2008 13:26:15
#76 No he's a guy with an extremely vivid imagination and very limtied knowledge of corporate finance.
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Iain Bhern,

07/07/2008 13:27:02
#67 no offence taken my friend. I had hoped I wasn't seeming to be negative and the bottom line is that not being an expert on high finance the only thing I can do is relate what I've read to my own understanding. I simply don't see the logic in this. What I do see and Vlad patently doesn't is that the best way to increase your revenue stream with a football club is to get a winning side on the park. So far he seems to have done the opposite ever since the Scottish Cup win. I understand that the away top has sold exceedingly well but oddly it's only been the new home top I've seen anyone wearing, but imagine the sales if Hearts had finished second and won a cup last season. You wouldn't be able to get one for love nor money by now and season tickets would have sold out almost instantly. I may a Hibs fan but I do like to see Hearts do well and I was gutted for Spartans.
As for taking people on to do my garden, I'm sorry I'm very fussy who I give a job to :o)
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GraemeH,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:30:06
Not Lithuania specifically but I do work in banking. If a bank has a loan which exceeds its recovery value it is required to adjust it to reflect its true value, otherwise it is overstating its assets. Hence all the write offs the industry has taken this year as the value of the loans has fallen.

I suspect that UBIG has realised (or been told by its auditors) that they did not view the full £36m of debt to Hearts as recoverable and that it should be written down. That they have equitised some of it is a fairly standard solution which adjusts the debt to a fair value and reduces the cash cost to the borrower.
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:30:13
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I am extremely pleased to learn that you know what a sentence is.

You might have enough skills to apply for this http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/Internet/viewVacancy.do?selectedVacancy=8&ref=SOM/21940
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Mike-S,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:32:26
This news can be viewed either way but my main concern would be that UBIG could force a takeover and decide to pull the plug at the stroke of a pen sometime in the future. Even with the transfer figures we are still higher in debt than when we had the pieman at the helm. The difference was that we had a bit of power and could vote down any proposals from the board. Just a thought. www.thetalkothetoun.co.uk
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/07/2008 13:33:10
Ok so we have here 12million being wiped off the debt, that in effect would bring the debt down to 24million. This is before we take off a further 9million for Gordons transfer fee and Bednars 2.3million and any other transfer fee money we might recieve before the end of this month, that would in effect in total bring the debt down to 12.7million. Then you have to add on the losses made this year, which should be less than last year as wages have been reduced, 1million has not been spent on planning application and buying land, 3+million has not been spent on player registrations etc etc. So the overall debt COULD be somewhere in the region of about 17-20 million, approx what it was when Vlad took over or maybe even less.

How anyone can spin this story into a negative is beyond me...

When it was first mentioned some months ago about a share issue for UBIG this was laughed at by those experts in Hoboeconomics and rubbished as a smokescreen, "It will never happen" etc etc.

Then you have others spewing dross about why would UBIG want to invest in football when theres a "Credit Crunch" well ask that same question to setanta why have they agreed to invest £124million into the SPL and you will get your answer.
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Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:35:33
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I also here that Tesco will be looking for staff for there new Tynecastle store soon. Although, that's probably a little to 'executive' for you Jamboy.
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 13:39:08
Ian

i agree with most of your statement and in particular the winning side bit, I do however still think that the "winning side" bit is still in mad vlads plans but that he took a massive hit financially after the first season and has been on the back foot ever since. He is now trying to shore the club up and get it back into a slightly better state finacially.

I do wish however (like most hearts fans no doubt) that he would butt out of the team selection as this is the biggest bugbear for the club in moving forward.

If you look at some of the early statements from vlad ect (not the friggin champions league ones)you will see that what he is now trying to do is what they have wanted to do from the start and i definatley think they are in it for the long haul.
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 13:45:53
Paddy,

you had better turn the PC off and get the dishes done, your mum has just left mine and is heading home. If she finds you have done nothing in the hoose she will crackup (worse than that time when your sister got pregnant).

Also i think she left her underwear although me n the boys didnt think she had any on when she arrived last night. So if you could tell her to collect them later as they are starting to make my front garden smell.
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/07/2008 13:46:02
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Beating? whos taken a beating?.....oh yeah yourself on the other thread this morning....when you run away after being humiliated yet again, and shown up for the half wit moron you really are.....that head ok now?...all bandaged up?.....now dont be wasting the doctors time anymore by having more cranial explosions....

Hows life in fantasy lala land these days anyway? SPL HQ, Global business empire, Yachting around the world, Playing a round competition golf in an hour, Hiring staff to trawl through forums and news articles just saw you cn TRY and wind up some jambos....Mingling with david Murray in directors boxes...

You are a psychiatrists wet dream Riley ....dellusional...thick....and clearly have no idea what time of day it is
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the west end general,

07/07/2008 13:49:49
Tartan .. we spent all the money on winning the Scottish Cup and it was worth every single penny

now go back to the dirty side and talk tactics with Mixi ,,,,, 7,000 watching 4-5-1 hoof ball blah blah
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Iain Bhern,

07/07/2008 13:51:44
#85 MTG yes it was really meddling in team selection that I meant as far as Vlad goes. To be honest I think most Hearts fans who attend games regularly could have picked a better team than Vlad did but the worrying thing was that he seemed to think that chopping and changing the side to put players in the shop window would have no effect on performances.
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/07/2008 13:53:51
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Actually Vlad spent 15million on winning the Scottish cup the debt was approx 21 million when Vlad took over....something thick morons like pimp and his motherwell and hobo mates seem to forget....they blame Vlad for 36million debt yet its only about 15 million vlad can be blamed for, as i said earlier take off the transfer fees that are yet to appear on the next set of accounts etc and Hes only spent about 5 million
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Paddy McGuire,

07/07/2008 13:54:16
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You seem to have to comprehension for the difference between 'banter' and just plain rudeness. It's probably best you go and settle back into the creche that you left an hour or so ago. Will you rise to this message, something tells me you will little boy...enjoy the dole queue.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 07/07/2008 13:55:25
89 2 Scottish Cups, the best ground in Scotland for atmosphere, a go at the champions league, humping hibs in the cup semi final, even last season putting 4 past the gers, believe me its all worth it
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 13:55:25
Biley,

RE the SPL team, Could you please define the word TEAM as this word to me gives the impression of more than one person yet it only ever seems to be you on here with the occasional newcomer finding you funny until they realise you are a deluded fool.

When your care worker first treated you for Schizophrenia did he not tell you that the voices in your head arent actually real people so you cant count them as being part of your "team" and you MUST keep taking the pills to stop hearing them.

TAKE THE PILLS!

tick, tick, tick KABOOOM
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FrankGallagher,

07/07/2008 13:55:37
where's gayboy, i mean jamboy, gone?
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/07/2008 13:57:46
#98 MTG

The Team he is refering to are his Multiple Names he uses on here, That has been PROVEN in the past....Basically your right though as its just the ONE person.....he uses a different name for each voice he hears in his head...
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ZICO KIDD,

Belfast 07/07/2008 13:58:47
Tartan Pimpernell. You spend so much time on a computer writing on articles on a team you hate, I wonder who is managing the comic book store you work in?
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ZICO KIDD,

Belfast 07/07/2008 14:02:45
Who do you support DIMpernell? "Eh Muchacho?" Do you think you have great patter or something?
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 14:04:09
Paddy,

if i was you i would spend less time on hearts threads and maybe concentrate on the problems with your own team, That was one hel of a spineless display by them yesterday and pantliners tactics where nonsense. Out of europe 08/09 before the 08/09 season has started YOU MUST BE PROUD!

yes this was in response to remark 96 just like the bite i got from you re comment 91.

hurry along now, mummy's on her way
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/07/2008 14:05:21
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Is that the same boys in Blue that disgraced Scotland in that same competition? or the boys in Blue that the bigots were fighting with and throwing buckie bottles and bricks at in manchester
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Maroon tinted glasses,

07/07/2008 14:07:07
Willoughby,

What part of glasgow is pennywell in??

Or even better What part of glasgow are you from??

Weegie scumbag