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Published Date: 17 September 2008
MORE than 270 crimes including an indecent assault, a hit-and-run, and a bogus caller were reported in a single day in Edinburgh last month – but the police did not tell the public about any of them.
When the Evening News contacted the Force Communication Centre in Bilston Glen on Sunday, August 10, our reporter was repeatedly told there was nothing of "press interest".

But a month later, information released under freedom of information tells a very different story. An average of one crime every five minutes was reported in the city between 8am on Saturday, August 9 and 8am the following day.

While many may be minor incidents, they include assaults, fireraising and racial abuse.

Police chiefs insist that they release details of crimes and incidents only when they are satisfied the information is accurate and won't cause unnecessary alarm.

But the figures prompted calls for greater openness from the force in keeping the public informed about criminal activity in the city.

Lothians MSP Gavin Brown said today: "The more informed we are of the crimes that are being committed in Edinburgh then the more likely we are to keep our eyes open and remain safe.

"Confidentiality has a role to play, but it is healthy in a democracy to know what the crime figures are so that we can be more vigilant towards crime."

Deputy city leader Steve Cardownie, a member of the police board, said there was a "balance to be struck" but said he hoped that serious incidents would be made public.

He said: "The police have a responsibility to inform the public about crimes and let them know about the social fabric of the city.

"I would hope if there was an incident where there was doubt about whether it was serious enough to report, they would err on the side of releasing it.

"But we don't want to give the impression that Edinburgh is awash with crime as it's a relatively safe city. And releasing information on all these crimes could leave the police awash in paperwork."

A police spokeswoman said the hit-and-run incident was "minor", adding that cases such as indecent assaults meant victims had to be handled sensitively.

Police chiefs added that the implications of releasing information to the public also had to be considered from an investigative point of view.

As well as dealing with more than 270 reported crimes, officers carried out a further 400 actions throughout an "average" day.

Among the duties they carried out were dealing with four non-suspicious deaths, and seizing a vehicle under antisocial behaviour legislation.

The extent of domestic abuse in the Capital was also laid bare by the figures, with officers attending seven "violent" incidents and 17 "non-physical" cases.

Similarly, the scale of antisocial behaviour problems was revealed, with 72 cases of "disorder" reported to the force.

A Saturday night at the start of the Fringe also brought the usual violence in and around the city's pubs and clubs. Officers were called to 17 assaults and four "drug-related" incidents.

The amount of police time which is wasted during call-outs was evident from the figures. Officers were forced to respond to 41 cases where burglar alarms had tripped accidentally.


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  • Last Updated: 17 September 2008 11:58 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

bigladatthebackpost,

edinburgh 17/09/2008 12:03:44
They can't tell you every time they get a call can they?

Besides, you'd just report it wrongly....
2

Amenemhat,

17/09/2008 12:08:18
I imagine the hack had just got on the nice policeman's nerves (T**S) and told him there was nothing on

ie: P**s of you S*&$t Journo

and now the news is upset
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Alasdair MacWhirter,

Pottering in the greenhouse 17/09/2008 12:21:29
A question I've posed before to the EN, but as you may guess, it remains unanswered is 'Is there anyone on the EN staff that realises things occur outwith Edinburgh, you know in East, West or Midlothian?' when it comes to reporting things like this?
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blackley,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 12:23:27
As long as the crimes are recorded and acted upon I don't see that it matters whether the police tell the media or not. The world doesn't owe the E News a living!
5

Raoul Duke,

17/09/2008 12:24:29
Surely the Evening News photographer should have helped the poor girl rather than just stand there and take a photo? Maybe then this crime could have been stopped.
6

Sarcasm,

17/09/2008 12:24:49
Having read the article, on this occasion I think the police called it right.

Nothing to see here, move along now.
7

PaulB,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 12:25:40
If the police want to crack down on drug dealing in edinburgh they should put a few plain clothes officers on Edinburgh's buses - especially the Lothian Buses 14 service - people regularly call their associates organinging drug deals and in some cases openly smoke spliffs. Sure the police would have a field day gatering intelligence as well as getting some of these scum put away.
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Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 17/09/2008 12:29:12
Another Evening News exclusive. Zzzzzz....
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JFW,

New Town 17/09/2008 12:34:02
Seems to me there was nothing particularly news worthy in that list. Pretty quiet for a Saturday night in my opinion. Evening News; some drunken numpties stole newly laid turf from my front lawn last Saturday and binned it further down the road; I think it should be front page news.
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Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 17/09/2008 12:37:26
#6. I think you'll find that the nice lady is trying to steal the hooded man's iPod.
11

P I Staker,

17/09/2008 12:40:05
There was a time when reporters got out and about rather than just phone up and have stories delivered on a plate, but there again since the new radio system precludes listening in and they don't have 'insiders' passing stuff on, and a lessening of pillow talk, little wonder there's a shortage of stories.
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

17/09/2008 12:53:59
the figure would have been much higher, but they don't record the calls that don't get through nor take into account that a lot of the public don't bother to pick up the phone now because of the appalling telephone system that the police use.
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elayne,

17/09/2008 13:02:39
#8 or the 32/52,the scenic tour of edinburgh lol
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elayne,

17/09/2008 13:02:41
#8 or the 32/52,the scenic tour of edinburgh lol
15

Canadianjambo,

Pickering 17/09/2008 13:17:10
Here in Toronto, Canada the Police have whats known as "The Majors" that are released to the media daily. They include major incidents such as homicides, serious assaults, sexual assaults, break ins etc, They are published so that people can be informed and only give the general area where they occurred with no personal details to protect privacy. This way the media is happy and people have an idea of whats happening in their area.
16

the dog,

17/09/2008 13:27:31
just do your normal and make it up as you go
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Alasdair MacWhirter,

Pottering in the greenhouse 17/09/2008 13:32:26
So just what does the Press Office at Fettes do?
The head of the press office, (Elaine Grimes?) seems to have trouble retaining long serving staff for whatever reason; a former holder of the position got a 'package' that, until he left altogether, was supposed to see him cover weekends, but I hear that a lot of their PR stuff is now subcontracted to Strathclyde.
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DoesItMatter?,

17/09/2008 13:35:11
Why should of they print a break-in or racial abuse? I want to hear about REAL news.
19

Nittenman,

17/09/2008 13:41:03
Gorgie Tony - Sky should make a programme about you.

"In 2007-08 North Yorkshire police recorded 50,265 offences., with a sanctioned detection rate of 33% (a 5 percentage point increase on the previous year). The average sanctioned detection rate for all forces in England and Wales was 28%. " Source Home Office

That will be well below what the Scottish Polis including 'lazy' L&B at 43ish % manage.

Why not complain about Sky £46.05 a month and nae Scottish fitba, now that's a disgrace.
20

Salvatori,

17/09/2008 13:42:44
No news is good news, so what's the problem? ;)
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/09/2008 13:49:20
What we need is an online map. Each crime sees a red dot added, the more serious the crime, the bigger the dot. We'd soon see where it's happening. Indeed, the police might find it useful too if they're not noticing that there's crime.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/09/2008 13:50:25
#8: They are. In fact some of those smoking spliffs are cops.
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17/09/2008 14:06:36
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Mr Flibble,

Glasgow 17/09/2008 14:07:20
Re: #6

I think you'll find that the photo is posed with models, rather than a snap of an actual assault taking place...
As for the story, I think the paper are absolutely right on this one. Go to any other big city in the UK and their police force will happily give info about incidents to the local press. It's how journalism works. Unfortunately the powers that be at L&B police don't seem to be able to grasp this fairly simple concept.

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rossthelab,

17/09/2008 14:26:38
I quite like the evening news.
What do you think of that then?
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17/09/2008 14:29:44
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Stuart W,

Dundee 17/09/2008 14:34:17
Whether or not crime is considered newsworthy (no one has to buy the paper) is a different issue from whether or not police should disclose things to the press - police seem as adept as politicians at spin and news management.
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DoesItMatter?,

17/09/2008 14:45:04
#33

Funny how there was a story online yesterday about a woman who was stabbed once in Oxgangs.

Not just the EN who cant get their facts right then.
29

rock on jonny,

17/09/2008 14:47:48
THE GENUINE MARIONETTE .you are such an oppinionated?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????knof****all
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Boy Wonder,

17/09/2008 14:55:29
The pic is actually two alkies trying to get up the stairs ... with limited success!
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17/09/2008 15:13:24
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DoesItMatter?,

17/09/2008 15:17:22
#37

Oh whoops, i meant #31, clearly like how you mean 'there' ;)
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17/09/2008 15:35:18
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17/09/2008 15:35:49
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17/09/2008 15:48:35
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17/09/2008 15:59:47
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DoesItMatter?,

17/09/2008 16:04:07
#39

Oh god! he has insulted me with a spelling error! I will have to go and hide! LOL

1. You nit-picked over the wrong number so your about as childish as i am.
2. I'm female, although i suspect i do have more balls than you.
3. You wont as it wasn't a top story =)
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17/09/2008 16:17:30
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17/09/2008 16:20:35
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17/09/2008 16:22:32
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DoesItMatter?,

17/09/2008 16:30:21
#45

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Single-mother-stabbed-accountant-in.4494822.jp

Not going to argue with you anymore but there you go.
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17/09/2008 17:19:20
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Pacob75,

17/09/2008 17:51:18
Why would you want to give the polis another reason to waste their time i.e. dealing wi the press? Doesnae make sense tae me. Don't they already publish monthly stats anyway?
44

Call me cynical, but,.........,

17/09/2008 17:54:16
#13
I know exactly what you mean by the appalling process that they call "service" that you get when you dare to call them. A call centre in a third world country would put the FCC to shame, - no matter what time you call you always get the recoded message saying " We are experiencing un unusually high volume of calls just now.... "
I dared to dial 999 last year to report some ned setting fire to my bin outside my house, and was told by the police operator at the FCC that i`d dialed the wrong number, and would have to dial an 0131 number, then i had to speak to the assistance desk, and finally after speaking to them did someone actually take any details. - What service ! the people in L&B are should feel so safe that their local force is so efficient.
Perhaps what the force really meant by saying nothing had happened was " we didn`t actually bother attending any of these calls as we couldn`t be bothered "
45

charliecha cha,

17/09/2008 19:03:34
more garbage from edinburghs silly comic.
46

piper,

17/09/2008 19:20:02
edinburgh police are a joke even when you phone your local station you get put through to a call centre they are a waste of space get vigilante groups on the street for half the pay the so called cops get
47

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/09/2008 19:20:46
#26: The problem is that people accept this as "normal". This behaviour is not acceptable.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/09/2008 19:23:48
#47: That's there because a citizen was stabbed. They don't bother when a denizen is stabbed.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

17/09/2008 19:26:57
Let's face it: it's time the police were privatised so that they start working for us, their customers, instead of the politicians.

Once that's done the rule will be "No response? No subscription!"
50

Flying Upsidedown,

edinburgh 17/09/2008 19:48:01
A quick look on the Lothian and Borders Police web site would have revealed to the journalists concerned that there is a whole section based at Fettes devoted to media enquiries and press releases, why is the EEN journalist phoning the police Force Communications Centre at Bilston? Surely s/he is wasting the time of the operators there who are trying to speak to real members of the public trying to report crimes etc.
51

Dood,

18/09/2008 02:13:26
"When the Evening News contacted the Force Communication Centre in Bilston Glen on Sunday, August 10, our reporter was repeatedly told there was nothing of "press interest"."

Right then. Stop me if I'm wrong, but should members of the public requiring police attention, such as emergencies, not be contacting Bilston?

Why were the EEN contacting Bilston for a media scoop? They have their own channels to contact the police, through the media office at Fettes. I'd suggest that the EEN therefore took up a phone line at Bilston, thereby preventing another member of the public from being able to get through to that operator.

In which case, the EEN reporter is openly admitting that they have been grossly negligent and acted irresponsibly.

Pathetic really, another anti-polis story in this p@ss poor rag which has fairly backfired really.
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J4cko,

19/09/2008 22:08:29
If someone claiming to be from a newspaper phones the police on a sunday and asks if there is anything worth reporting, then surely the operator has no way of verifying if the caller really is from the press as no doubt the press has proper channels to go through rather than just phoning up the call centre!

The reporter should be charged with wasting police time.

 

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