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Published Date: 13 November 2008
THE BOSS of Edinburgh's tram project has quit his post, it can be revealed today.
Willie Gallagher, who joined the board of tram firm TIE in February 2006, is leaving for family reasons. City councillors will be informed of the decision today, though it is not currently known who his replacement will be.

Mr Gallagher was appointed executive chairman of TIE in June 2006 and brought extensive engineering and transport experience to the post. His departure comes at a crucial time for the massive project as the first tracks are set to be laid.

In a statement, TIE said Mr Gallagher would leave tie at the end of this month for "personal and family reasons".

Mr Gallagher said: "I am very proud to have created a very strong team of engineering and construction professionals. They are more than equipped to deliver world-class trams for the people of Edinburgh and I look forward to seeing them run in 2011."

Council leader Jenny Dawe said Mr Gallagher had been crucial in bringing the tram project to life.

She said: "He always impressed those he met with his skills and enthusiasm, and I am very disappointed to lose him at this point.

However, I fully understand his reasons for leaving, given his personal circumstances, and support his decision.

"I am confident that we have a solid team going forward to deliver a world-class transport network for the city, many of whom have worked on other tram schemes and major construction projects."

Tom Aitchison, the council's chief executive, added: "Edinburgh's trams would not have come this far without the skills and energy of Willie, and I thank him for his leadership and drive."

The tram line has faced criticism for the disruption it has brought to businesses and motorists in the city.

Last month, deputy council leader Steve Cardownie called for Mr Gallagher's resignation following a disastrous start to works on Princes Street.

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce said he was sorry to hear of Mr Gallagher's departure. He said: "Although the project has had its problems, Willie was a guy who had a track record in project management and a great deal of respect in the transport sector and the support of his staff. As for the project, the show must go on."

He said when the start of tram works at Princes Street and The Mound caused chaos last month some politicians had formed "a hanging jury". "We felt that was not what we needed. What we needed then and what we need now is for all the partners in this project to get together and deliver it." He added: "We need to replace Willie with a suitable successor as soon as possible and go forward."

Mr Gallagher had previously held senior roles with Scottish Power Group, the Strategic Rail Authority, Scottish Legal Aid Board, Lothian Buses and Transport Edinburgh Limited (TEL).

Last year, the Evening News revealed that Mr Gallagher's basic salary had almost doubled in a year to £170,000. He was also set to earn up to £340,000 in bonuses by 2011 if the project was completed on time.



The full article contains 533 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 November 2008 12:11 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Trams shams,

In 7th heaven 13/11/2008 12:13:00
At flippin' last!!
2

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13/11/2008 12:18:36
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Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 12:18:39
Neil Renilson goes, now Willie G jumps. Will city transport "leader" Phil Wheeler now be awakened from his slumber? Somehow, I doubt it.

We are on a tramline to nowhere, with no-one driving. And we are all paying through the nose for the experience.
4

Goges,

edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:19:33
Unfortunately when things go wrong, there are casualties along the way. Leith Walk has had four casualties by way of businesses closing down in the last 15 months partly as a result of a grossly mis-managed tram project which continues to spiral out of control. If the buck stops with Willie Gallager then so be it.
I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will not be shedding any tears.
5

Goges,

edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:22:41
The cooncil will have to think very, very carefully before they announce any successor. What this project needs is someone who has the necessary 'steel' to manage the construction company, Carillion, who have ridden roughshod over everything and everybody since the very start.
6

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:24:05
For "personal and family reasons" - My @R5E!!
That's the familiar cliche trotted out by shyster politicians who've either been caught with their hand in the sweetie-jar or trousers at their ankles. Nobody wals away when a project is 'On Time and On Budget' - especially when they're in line for a mega-bonus on completion. What unpleasantness is about to burst out of the festering cesspool that is TIE? And is the phrase 'it can be revealed today' not code for a press release that has been embargoed till now? It's time for our Elected Politicians to do their job and start asking some VERY probing questions.
7

Way Out West,

13/11/2008 12:24:57
This scheme is going down faster than a prostitute's knickers.
8

Spathiphyllum,

13/11/2008 12:27:32
Trams are silly.
9

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 13/11/2008 12:32:06
We'll all miss him.
10

com on the trams party,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:32:15
All these anti tram campainers should get a life i hope we get someone with the same standard as Willie Gallagher.
11

allknowing,

13/11/2008 12:33:04
Give it two, maybe four weeks, and some bad news will be made public.

I think a cash shortfall will stop this disaster in its tracks!!!

Rats, jump and ship come to mind.

12

Spathiphyllum,

13/11/2008 12:34:11
Campaigners? Oh, sorry. I think I'm in the wrong debate. I was just expressing my opinion.
13

Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 12:35:42
#10 com on the trams party

"All these anti tram campainers should get a life i hope we get someone with the same standard as Willie Gallagher."

- Andy Hornby?
14

Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 12:41:12
Maybe Foo could take over. He seems to like trams.
15

Big bob 79,

13/11/2008 12:46:10
fell on his sword!....
over 1/3 budget aleady spent, not one rail laid, no trams bought. no wonder they are running

OUT OF MONEY, OUT OF IDEAS, OUT OF FRIENDS

they have lined pockets and ran

SHAME
16

Ecto,

13/11/2008 12:46:38
I smell fishyness!
17

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:51:09
#6 Thomas the Tank,

"What unpleasantness is about to burst out of the festering cesspool that is TIE?"

I think we can all pretty well bet it will be something to do with costs?

We should all now be wondering what chance there is of the CEC signing up for another year of the Coucil Tax freeze next year? Absolutely none of course.

Here's hoping Alex Salmond and CO. refuse to give another penny to this crazy project which should have been flushed years ago.

Remember folks, this white elephant was forced on us by Scottish Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and even the Conservatives when it was voted on at Holyrood.

How lovely for Edinburgh's already over-streched Council Tax payers, aren't we just going to love picking up the tab.

Cancel the trams project now, Willie is just the writing on the wall.

18

Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 12:53:02
#15

Who is gloating?

Many people warned from the start that this project was a mammoth waste of public money. The fact that this is proving true does not make anyone happy. But serious questions must now be asked of the people responsible for introducing and running this ill-conceived and massively expensive scheme.
19

Spathiphyllum,

13/11/2008 12:53:31
I still think trams are silly.
20

Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 12:54:19
#14

Has anyone ever seen Willie and Foo in the same room?

Hmmmm......
21

Andrew Kent,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 12:54:55
"They are more than equipped to deliver world-class trams for THE PEOPLE OF EDINBURGH and I look forward to seeing them run in 2011."

Erm, not any people I have met...
22

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13/11/2008 12:56:28
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Megan H,

13/11/2008 12:57:44
#19 yes questions should be asked of Labour, Libdems, Tories, Margo who forced this through against the wishes of the SNP Scottish Government
24

Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 12:58:20
so, anybody now up for reopening the south suburban line?
25

Kirspin,

Fergus, Ontario twinned with Blairgowie 13/11/2008 13:00:28
With the whole World in a big "mess", I would think that this Tram project is off the rails for the foreseeable future, its too bad that the Council didnt look more into the future before starting this whole unholly Mess!
26

scotsol,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:02:00
What the hell are you talking about, Mario? There is no chance at all that the tram project will stop, it is half completed, on target and on budget, and is supported by the vast majority of Edinburgh people. I can hear the merry sound of tram bells coming closer, and the resignation of one man isn't going to affect that. Thought you were on our side!
27

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13/11/2008 13:02:23
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David Harrington,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:03:59
I thought this story would bring the usual knockers out of the woodwork. Interesting that people are jumping to conclusions without any evidence. The council leader is saying "I fully understand his reasons for leaving, given his personal circumstances". Many people have left very important positions for personal reasons - nobody knows what these are at the moment, but whatever they are, I wish Willie the best of luck in the future.
29

Big bob 79,

13/11/2008 13:04:31
Foo bail faster as your ship is sinking!...LOL
You are kiding the to suggest its a minority that do not want the tram, ask people in Morningside, Cameron Toll, Liberton, Colinton, Sighthill, westerhailes, Corstorphine, duddingston, portobello The tram is costing them all.... none of the people will benifit froma link between leith and the airport,

wake up

Trams are not wanted
30

Leith Walk Trader,

13/11/2008 13:04:37
#23 You can than the Leith Walk & Constitution Street Traders Association that you can 'now' park outside your shop of choice. Retaining parking for customers is not high on the priorities of Carillion/Class One. The LW&CSTA lobby for the parking to be retained wherever possible, without being occupied by works vehicles.
31

Marathon,

13/11/2008 13:05:48
# 7 - the thing is, you kind of get the impression that prossies are tolerated in Leith. Unlike the trams....

32

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13/11/2008 13:05:52
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Mr Chris,

13/11/2008 13:08:55
From the tie board meetings of 11th September:

"The Chairman [WG] advised the Board that he was due to meet with the Consortia senior managers over the next few months."

http://www.tie.ltd.uk/FOISA%202008/tie%20Board%20Minutes%20-%20%2011%20September%202008.pdf


Maybe this has some significance?
34

Wingman,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:08:58
If the 'family circumstances' mean that there is a personal tragedy or similar within Mr Gallaghers family then obviously our thoughts and support are with him, But normal people who experience life changing circumstances however tragic and load bearing Have to unfortunately work through it somehow,Mr Gallagher is on exceptional wages and heading a massive project, so to walk away at this stage seems quite unbelievable ? and surely gives any cynics of this scheme all the ammunition required. This whole Tram line scheme just looks doomed to failure . I fear that this is going to end in complete shambles and along with other tax paying residents will be left to pick up the tab. I,d say the whole thing is a joke but it just aint funny, just sad all round.
35

Spathiphyllum,

13/11/2008 13:09:59
#22 - You and me the gither, pal.
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13/11/2008 13:10:14
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NorT,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:11:46
Good riddance to bad rubbish and I hope that he is not getting a severance package.
38

Bob 2,

13/11/2008 13:14:51
without knowing "the family reasons", its hard to turn this into a slanging match

just remember Martin O'Neil and the time out he took out of football for "family reasons".
39

Big bob 79,

13/11/2008 13:16:19
#38
LOL is that the best you can come up with?
40

Bob 2,

13/11/2008 13:16:32
23 Foo,13/11/2008 12:56:28
I'm sad that he has to leave, he's been excellent in the job, and has had so much to put up with,

what planet are you on?
41

Bob 2,

13/11/2008 13:17:16
without knowing "the family reasons", its hard to turn this into a slanging match

just remember Martin O'Neil and the time out he took out of football for "family reasons".
42

David55,

London 13/11/2008 13:18:01
Not a good sign for a project when the guys at the top start jumping ship. Usually means they've seen the iceberg.

Government + construction project = financial disaster.

Not just the Scottish Executive but local government, and UK government. They are all bloody rotten to the core.

My only question is 'why do the voters allow it?'

There's no fight left in the country.
43

hibbywul,

13/11/2008 13:18:20
Trams will not run in Edinburgh. The projct will be cancelled in the new year.
44

raythebear,

edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:18:51
#3 Phile Wheeler is currently in New York on a freebie
45

Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 13:19:35
The tram plan was always going to be divisive. You have an expensive project serving only a part of the city and which doesn't even serve the airport.

OK a few of you live near the line and will use it a lot, but get your head round the idea that we don't all work to make your lives better.

I'd be all in favour of a tramline from my house to my work but I wouldn't expect everyone else would want to cough up.

I simply don't believe those who say the vast majority - or even the majority - of the population want the trams.

Add to that the fact that we do not have councillors who are competent enough to oversee major capital projects and you have a recipe for massive inconvenience, huge overspend and minimal benefit to the majority of residents.

And maybe yes, Wee Eck will be entitled to his "I told you so" moment.
46

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:20:40
#28 - You said "it is half completed, on target and on budget, and is supported by the vast majority of Edinburgh people."

Wrong on every single point. Millions over budget, running over 6 months late and not wanted by the vast majority of people in Edinburgh.
47

Wullie Smith ,

Embra 13/11/2008 13:23:12
Renilson goes , and now those who hid behind his skill and expertise are exposed !
48

WackAttack,

Leith Walk 13/11/2008 13:24:57
They better finish the blooming tram network now they've spent 2 years digging holes.
49

roadstohell,

13/11/2008 13:27:14
MHhh think I'll apply for the job, make a complete bahookie of it all and still come out quids in.

" I look forward to seeng trams run in 2011, on TV from the poolside of my Spanish retirement villa"

I'm scunnered
50

Bob 2,

13/11/2008 13:35:14
generating work. I've got a funny feeling about it, thats all, hopefully Im wrong.

generating EMPLOYMENT, Generating Work is a bit execessive,

look at any tramworks ,
10 men standing admiring the hole in the ground,
one man in the hole admiring the 10 men standing admiring the hole.

and not one of them working !
51

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13/11/2008 13:38:51
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Hoof Hearted,

13/11/2008 13:39:08
#47. Stop peddling your lies. The Tram Line WILL go to the Airport. There is to be a stop right next to the current Airlink bus stop.
53

lulach mac gille coemgain,

13/11/2008 13:39:44
I hear that Edinburgh airport is closing doon as well - now that all the finance industry have stopped usin’ the flights - its like a blooody ghost toon oot ther !
54

Hoof Hearted,

13/11/2008 13:40:52
#43. So what about Martim O'Neill - his wife had botched cosmetic surgery.
55

Hoof Hearted,

13/11/2008 13:42:04
Word on the grapevine is that Neil Renilson will take charge of TIE.
56

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 13:42:11
#55 - Stop peddling your lies. The proposed stop for the tram line is beyond the main short stay car park at the Airport, almost next to the Hilton. It is nowhere near the Airlink stop.
57

roadstohell,

13/11/2008 13:45:09
I think the scheme is BUST !

I think he is jumping before it comes out.

I have it on good authority that the specification of the trams has had to be revised, in particular the traction and motive force spec.

Citizens will have two options open to tem;
(a), use the large key attached to all trams to "wind it up" when it starts to lose motive power. There will be no concession ofr age/infirmity or disability, ALL passengers will have to participate.
(b) Passengers will be encouraged to place their feet through hi tech holes cut in the floor of the trams, and will supply "green" motive energy by "paddling along as fast as their wee legs will be able to carry them"
This last solution is the one favoured by the city leaders, " this is a wonderful opportunity for Edinbugh to show on the international stage it's commitment to green and sustainible transport strategies. The tourist and visitor sector will show massive growth as people from all over the world will flock to view and participate in this 8th wonder of the world"

I aint kidding folks !!!!!!!!
58

WackAttack,

Leith Walk 13/11/2008 13:45:38
54 - LOL!
59

WackAttack,

Bored at work... 13/11/2008 13:49:20
53 - I'm pretty sure I spotted a 'worker' having a kip in a digger this morning. Living the dream, ay?
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13/11/2008 13:50:29
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Hoof Hearted,

13/11/2008 13:51:23
#59. That's what I said. Read it.

I am a truthful man from this land of palm trees,
Before dying I want to share these poems of my soul,
My verses are light green,
But they are also flaming red,
I cultivate a rose in June and in January,
For the sincere friend who gives me his hand,
And for the cruel one who would tear out this,
heart with which I live,
I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles,
I cultivate a white rose.
62

roadstohell,

13/11/2008 13:53:42
Also wondering how the UNESCO visit is going, ? this bit of news will impress them no end !!!!

I heard that the intention was to "whisk" them around the city to visit contentious sites, mhhh some hope.
Unless they are going to be "blue lighted" everywhere, they will be sitting in traffic jams all day, watching men admiring each others holes !!!!

I had my options of "using an alternative route" cut to zero this morning, my only "road works" free route was finally denied me this morning, a bloke in front of me lost the will to live and started banging his head off his steering wheel........poor soul, I felt sorry for him as I managed to squeeze through the rusultant blockage on my motorcycle.......:0/
63

Baroness Fortitude III,

13/11/2008 14:12:56
#62 your post isn't as ridiculous as it sounds.

My husband is an engineer and has been on a contract working with TIE on a specific project. He's heard that there is now a VERY HIGH probablilty that the whole tram scheme is going to be scrapped.

Remember where you heard it first.....
64

Serious,

13/11/2008 14:16:58
Scrapping the trams would be the smartest thing these clowns have ever done. That's why they won't even consider it.

Dig Dig Dig. For Victory.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:18:38
#70 Fresian, oh I know, let's not start up another topic though, I am enjoying the current one :0)
I wonder who is reading it ???????????????????????
66

Langenburger,

13/11/2008 14:22:34
If trams were part of a properly integrated (across the city) traffic system it would be great.
But why should we expect integration from our paid council employees and elected politicians when we have disinegrating roadworks, a disintegrated CPZ scheme, distengrated park and rides and so on.
Plus ca change
67

James2122,

13/11/2008 14:23:16
MuuuuuHaHahahahaha.
He just worked out that you cant steer trams, you can't get past a broken tram and anyone can bring edinburgh to a halt for a day by simply bending the track in one place with a crowbar.
MuuuuuHaHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

MuuuuuHaHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

MuuuuuHaHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

MuuuuuHaHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

MuuuuuHaHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
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Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 13/11/2008 14:23:55
>47 Brian ~ You have an expensive project serving only a part of the city and which doesn't even serve the airport.

You would gain more credibility by having some grasp of what you are talking about. I suggest you consult the detailed maps upon which you will discover a tram stop at Edinburgh International Airport. You can even view the work currently in progress behind the blue barrier next to the bridge over the A8 at the RBS Global Headquarters. You should always be cautious of equating wishful thinking with facts. Ding ding!
69

Top Floor,

13/11/2008 14:26:08


At least Willie G showed more leadership on this project than the entire SNP / Lib Dem administration who are, after all, actually resposnible for delivering the project.

Let's hope they have the collective sense to appoint a suitably qualified successor. After a fair, open and transparent recruitment process of course !

70

The Judge,

13/11/2008 14:28:44
I wonder how much public money tramcar Willie will take with him?

The tramLINE is officially dead it's just the longest death scene in history.

No word from Phil Wheeler? Is he next to go for lying about a £20k report he said he didn't see?
71

roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:33:49
PW in NY on a freebie, and if he's wise won't come back.

The trams will reach the airport !!!!

The airport will be uprooted and lifted over to the tramstop !!!!

Simple,sorted
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:36:36
Mhh interesting that there hasn't been a stampede for his job, you would think that there would have been a replacement rapidly appointed ,or at least an iterim locum !!!

"drink deep from this chalice, this draught will swiftly carry you to sweet hades"
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:38:18
Er reading the above document link.

What 60-70m funding gap ?????????

74

Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 14:38:27
The tram works will probably be put on hold around April time.

There will then be two years of mass debating. (And anyone who says they don't mass debate is a liar)

Then there will be no trams.
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13/11/2008 14:42:41
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Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 14:43:10
#75 Kirsty

I think you will find that you will have to take a bus from the tram stop to get to the airport terminal.

Or maybe you might prefer to get a taxi?
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13/11/2008 14:43:28
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Top Floor,

13/11/2008 14:45:21

#77 Judge

"The tramLINE is officially dead" - no its not, that's not true.

Any good reason we should believe anything you say ?
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:45:57
A rather large nail to add to the coffin for the tram project.

Radio Forth has a rather poignant piece some time ago when they created a futuristic sketch on boogie's morning show. In it they quoted the costs incurred in removing the sub standard tram system in the year 2025 as being 20 times more than it cost to install them in the first place. They also mentioned that the system had only been running efficiently for 1 year when it was finally decided the entire project was a dumb idea anyway...

If trams were such a good idea WHY THE HELL DID THEY DIG UP THE OLD ONES IN THE FIRST PLACE???.

Old ideas, old thinking, same old story.. Think of something stupid, sell it to council fools and make a fortune before running off into the sunset laughing all the way to the bank.

The only thing the Trams will provide for the people of Edinburgh is yet another way of thowing money down the drain..

1/3 of the costs spent already, more forecasts of increased costs, more delays.. This is nothing more than a pocket lining excercise for politicians, project managers and anyone involved with council spending.

80

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 14:46:46
K B-W @75 - a good intention marked on a plan is NOT a 'detailed map' - maps tend to show what is, not what might be. And the RBS Global Headquarters (for how much longer?) is NOT the Airport, neither is the rounadbout at the Hilton - it's a log way to lug your bags. Ding ding yourself - or as the bus anorakie-spotters like Harrington greet each other -'rrrrrRRRRRrrrrr'!
81

James2122,

13/11/2008 14:47:39
#84
Why does flush with the road surface stope anything I mentioned?
Or for that matter tell me how points would??
82

Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 14:48:16
#86

Ah yes, Boogie - the famous philosopher and public transport expert
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:48:29
Well, if Shelbyville got a monorail system, then, we sure as heck can too !!!!!

84

Top Floor,

13/11/2008 14:48:45

#57 Hoof Head

So what about Martim O'Neill - his wife had botched cosmetic surgery.

You haven't got a clue have you ? Hope you know more about current affairs than your obviously impoverished knowledge of the personal lives of football people.

85

La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:49:19
... Kenny Everett had a spectacularly accurate and appropriate way of ridding teh city of these money wasting idiots..

'Round them up. Put them in a field and BOMB THE B4STARDS'.. Problem solved.
86

roadstohell,

13/11/2008 14:50:52
another motive power option is that of "dried dung", very green and eco friendly, 3rd world solution to a 21st century problem.
AND in plentiful supply in Edinburgh

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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 14:51:06
What do Euan and Roughie think of the trams?

Euan: Handy for Tynie

Roughie: That's no the point Euan

Euan: That IS the point Roughie

Roughie: No it's no.

Euan: Aye it is

Keith Jackson: Ah'm pure no heavy bovverd, by the way.
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:52:59
#86. And how accurate do you think it will be?. Going by the current state of affairs it may not be far off the mark.

Many a fool in history has been proven to be a visionary.. Nah, in boogie's case you may be right but only time will tell eh?
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:53:46
#94.. And you had your brain removed when?...
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Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 14:55:28
100 !
91

La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:55:59
#94. they removed the trams for the cars and now they remove the cars for the trams.. Duh. Exactly where are you coming from?.. Move this here, shove that there, spend this here spend that there. Let me guess... your a council worker.

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Dileas,

13/11/2008 14:57:06
Kirsty Boyd-Williamson (75) said "You would gain more credibility by having some grasp of what you are talking about. I suggest you consult the detailed maps upon which you will discover a tram stop at Edinburgh International Airport. You can even view the work currently in progress behind the blue barrier next to the bridge over the A8 at the RBS Global Headquarters. You should always be cautious of equating wishful thinking with facts."

Not absolutly an accurate presentation, Kisty - the map is too small to identify precisely where the stop will be and the road works are required to get the trams to and from their garage, which is on the airport side of the road!

But lets agree that the Airport stop will be in the approximate area of the airport although not necessarily near the terminal building where people want to go, which I think was the point being made. Why have a tramline running to a car park near the airport, leaving people with a walk, often in the wet, with their baggage or the alternative of waiting for a shuttle bus (possibly even the Airport shuttle) to finish the journey?

This tram route doesn't actually go where people need to travel to - the airport terminal, most of Princes Street, any hospitals and other high volume passenger generators, etc.

That's why I hope it is abandoned - it will never meet a City need.
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 14:57:12
They're bringing back the Morris Ital too, and Segways
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 14:58:08
I love this wind up sh*t. Lets see how many numb nutted half dead morons will actually reply to my pointless posts instead of opening their eyes and looking out the window..

4 have bitten so far..... Any more on the brain shortage list?
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 14:58:17
Esmerelda! Ding ding
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 15:03:38
Ding ding merrily the trams
In heav'n are decommissioned

Ding ding verily the streets
Are ripped apart and broken

Renilson, Gallagher bye bye
TIE revolving door


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newyearsday73 ,

13/11/2008 15:27:15
#23 foo
You really are a complete a*sehole,why dont just crawl back under your stone you brain dead moron.
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Cod,

Cheese 13/11/2008 15:33:59
#108 & #110

No! I have the tapdancing mice under MY control. Or I did this morning..

I smell a rat. And a cat. What pests.
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 15:34:00
.. And the 'One brain cell short of an amoeba' award goes to..... Wait for it....

The Genuine Mario Antoinette.

Sucked in to reply not once, not twice BUT 3 TIMES to a pontless post. No surprses there to the many who know you only to well?. Nice one.

Shall we see a 4th post... Go on, you kwow you want to.. the urge is just too strong isnt it?........c'mon, force yourself.....

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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 15:34:41
.....we're still waiting.....
101

La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 15:35:07
.....c'mom, just do it.. DO IT.
102

La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 15:36:44
....the suspense is killing us..... The seconds are passing and still no post ... Oh my, has the coin finally dropped?.
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tomias,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 15:42:48
did he not get an invite to a councillors wedding fest? Oer did he ?
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The Jenny whine Mario n’ Tony net,

13/11/2008 15:48:09
selfish, selfish, selfish, ball carrying, selfish morons.
105

Farmernot,

13/11/2008 15:49:51
So can we have the No 22 bus reinstated please........every 5 mins.....the best bus service in town
106

The Edìtor,

13/11/2008 15:50:59
118
That's enough Mario, any more and we'll have to cancel your contract.
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 15:51:51
There better not be a £10 glitzy event for his leaving party, or I'll be writing an angry letter to Ban Ki-moon.
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 15:58:50
What a shambles - can we now ditch this unwanted and unneeded drain on resources? If Leith developers want it let em pay for it out of their own dosh
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Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

13/11/2008 15:59:31
>83 Brian ~ I think you will find that you will have to take a bus from the tram stop to get to the airport terminal.

Do look at this:
http://www.tramtime.com/downloads/detailmaps_nov07/haymarket-airport.pdf

If you have ever used Edinburgh International Airport and consulted the map you will know that the proposed stop is only a few yards from the terminal building. How close do you want? As indicated earlier, you really should get a grip on the subject.
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 16:00:14
It's the beginning of the end of the trams - they will be postponed because of the credit crunch an then abandoned a while later.
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 16:06:57
#125

"Get a grip" is a stock phrase of Scotmid managers.

Along with:

Can you face up the beans aisle please.
You've under-ordered on the dairy section again Neville
Don't staff the checkouts, just staff the kiosk.
I'm a highly motivated proactive individual, and that.
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Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

13/11/2008 16:08:17
>102 Dileas ~ the map is too small to identify precisely where the stop will be and the road works are required to get the trams to and from their garage, which is on the airport side of the road!

Ignore the schematic map and try this, Dileas:
http://www.tramtime.com/downloads/detailmaps_nov07/haymarket-airport.pdf

You might also wish to clarify matters further by contacting BAA (the owner of Edinburgh International Airport) and ask if a site for the tram stop has been identified with any degree of precision. The answer you will receive is already known to me.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 16:19:55
Advert on "freecycle"

Offered - fully integrated transport solution for the 21st century, with associated staff & council

uplift anytime after 6pm, contact CEC 24hr helpline
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 16:30:30
#125, K B-W - looked at your 'map' - it's a schematic; fancifully superimposed with colouring-in pencils on en existing map. And it doesn't show the terminus 'a few yards away' - it's at the furthest point on the perimeter road at the long-stay car park, still a fair trek after long flight. The existing bus service, by contrast, is the width of the footway from the Arrivals door.
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La5t_minit,

13/11/2008 16:42:45
Oh dear. Posting messages such as 'I will find you and cut your balls off' as you did at #118. Are we hitting a nerve. Poor soul. Typing such childish comments is only proving a previously raised point that you are not worth bothering about or taking seriously.

Poor soul, I do hope you dont suffer from claustrophobia as that hole you are digging must be extremely dark, deep and forbidding by now..

Unless you have something positive to add then we'll just have to accept you are no more than a small blip in our otherwise perfect litle world..

By the way. thats 4 times you've been sucked in.. Doh. All prise the glorious numpty The Genuine Mario Antoinette
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Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 16:49:18
127 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,13/11/2008 16:00:27

"It's time to pass the baton. I never did get my cans you know."

- I never got mine either. When I queried it with the EEN, they grudgingly looked into it and then I eventually got a rather snooty email telling me to come and collect them from their office in the next 5 minutes. I decided I didn't need them that badly.

Quite a wheeze though. Offer a prize, then only actually produce it if the winners actually write to ask for it. But then don't send it to them or anything, oh no...expect them to come in and lug them away for themselves. I wonder how many of the winners have actually bothered to do this...

(This message will be destroyed by the EEN in 5 seconds...)
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 13/11/2008 16:58:10
It stinks - no other words to describe it.

WE will have to wait and see what transpires - overbudget perhaps; cancellation!

Par for the course for Edinburgh City Council - the laughing stock for all.

Money would be better spent elsewhere but heads should be rolling about the about is wasted on projects.

Sack the lot!

He's just jumped before he was pushed - end of story!

Who is next????
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 16:58:47
I have been saying for MONTHS and MONTHS that Willie Gallagher should resign from his post.

I don't believe for one second the 'personal circumstances' twoddle in the article is the reason why he has quit.

He has quit because he is completely useless at his job and his bungling efforts to co-ordinate the tram project have come back to bite him hard.

He and his other cronies at TIE have single handedly put shackles on the feet of Edinburgh and dragged it to the depths of despair.

Willie Gallagher should be thoroughly ashamed of himself with what he has inflicted on tens of thousands of local residents with his appalling management of this tram fiasco.

Goodbye and good riddance.

SCRAP THE TRAMS NOW.
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Top Floor,

13/11/2008 17:09:36
#137 Euan

Are you Cardownie is disguise ?
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:16:31
#137

Thanks Euan. But what about Roughie?
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Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 17:19:22
Roughie is sitting on the fence.
124

Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:19:26
Today's caption competition:

John McCain is saying "I'm real thirsty that's how I'm gurning. I'm still waiting for my case of Corona"
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Silent Sigh,

13/11/2008 17:20:51
Why does the phrase "rats leaving a sinking ship" come to mind?
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:23:12
Boogie knows all about outmoded light rail infrastructure.

He does a skit called "Outmoded light rail infrastructure in the morning." It's a hoot.

Over on Real Radio, Robin Galloway is phoning bank workers pretending to be Hector Brocklebank the tram driver
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Skip McClendon,

13/11/2008 17:23:20
#141

Winner! Simple follow the hidden clues in today's EEN, Da Vinci Code style, to locate your prize.
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13/11/2008 17:27:16
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:29:03
Not very generous with the amber nectar is it.

Still I only drink Sweetheart Stout, antifreeze and Smarties
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Brian Ferrari,

13/11/2008 17:32:37
#127, 135

TOP EDINBURGH NEWSPAPER IN COMPETITION FIASCO

INCOMPETENCY
Participants in a daily competition run by Edinburgh's flagship Evening News have been left high and dry following claims of incompetency and mismanagement amongst the organisers.

THIRSTY
When his beer did not appear through the letterbox one winner, who asked to remain anonymous, was instead asked to call at the posh Edinburgh headquarters of the organisation to collect his prize. Skip McClendon declined this offer and has been left traumatised by the affair.

GENOCIDE
Another winner, Marie Wynette, gave up on the hope of ever receiving his prize and decided to buy his own. "I felt I had to put my hand in my pocket but by this time I was shaking so badly I was stopped for questioning."

No one at the Evening News was available for comment.
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Incandescent,

13/11/2008 17:33:42
What? No comment from Gorgie_Jenny McTony? Now, why might that be?
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Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 17:43:15
Coffers empty - game up! Goodbye tram trash.
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:56:52
I'm jonesin' for a Corona
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Uncle Piehead,

13/11/2008 17:57:59
#149

How do you know that for sure? There might be snails that are daft for lamb buna and chips
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 17:58:24
This is the way it's done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzFgSOTUVPM

things to note, firstly due to extensive clearance works courtesy of WW2, many European had room to install modern tram systems, look at the width of the streets and boulevards !!!! ALSO this is Edinburgh led by donkeys!!!!
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:24:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICiuEIuZFM
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Sunny Jim,

13/11/2008 18:25:26
I believe the tram rails will be getting offloaded from a ship in Leith docks in the next day or two. There are loads of concrete sleepers coming in too.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:27:53
mhh plenty sleepers among carillon workers too !
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 18:30:08
#153

I'd like to see the reaction of those muppet councillors if it was their livelihoods and businesses being systematically destroyed by the tram project.

Shame on them all.


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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 18:31:54
Its a TRAM line, not a network

interesting the the TRAMWORKS on Leith Walk are being described as Minor Works.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:39:05
ah there's the rub, they have made sure that they DON'T suffer,maybe we need to make sure that they WILL.
Call them to account as being personally responsible for the cost of this debacle, the legislation on public probity already exists, let's apply it.

This farce has gone on long enough, Renilson & Gallacher KNOW full well that it is dead in the water,and they are deserting the sinking ship with whatever treasure they can salvage, the writing is well & truly on the wall.

Add this to the impending loss of World Heritage status, and the people have ruined this once proud city.

"YOU HAVE BEEN SAT TO LONG HERE FOR ANY GOOD YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. DEPART, I SAY, AND LET US HAVE DONE WITH YOU. IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!."
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rs,

, its congestion but not as we know it ! 13/11/2008 18:41:13
Best Comedy Video

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ejGN2b79w&NR=1

the original staring Aitken & Gallacher is still the best Version.

best line is people "understand that there will be initially SOME congestion"

SOME !!!!!



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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 18:42:13
"tram system"...Says Cllr Dawes

are these people in the same City as us?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 18:43:38
Scrap the tram project now.

Reopen THe South Sub.

Reopen The Waverley Line twin tracked thru to Carlisle.

On the related subject of roadworks today I drove thru the King's Road Junction. A sign there says the work wil take 20 weeks. Yes - 20 weeks to replace a roundabout with traffic lights.

Last week The Scotsman's Now and Then column reported that The Canadian Pacific Railway was completed in 4 and a half years with the low technology of the 19th., century.

Incidentally the only sign of work in progress at Kings Road was 2 guys talking and looking into a hole.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 18:45:30
#158

Hear, hear
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rs,

. a good one ! 13/11/2008 18:47:45
Question

Will there be a Trammie Convention in Edinburgh!!!!!

Will Trammies be seen at Haymarket, waiting for the next tram to go through


anoraks and all !!!!!!!!!
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:49:11
stop this gravy tram NOW !
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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 18:49:50
Gus

More like 26 Weeks

It Started mid June, Should have been finished at the end of last week.

And now it 6 weeks from Saturday until the roundabout is no more. javascript:__doPostBack('wctlAddComment1$ctl00$btnPost','')
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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 18:50:03
Gus

More like 26 Weeks

It Started mid June, Should have been finished at the end of last week.

And now it 6 weeks from Saturday until the roundabout is no more
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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 18:50:16
Question

Will there be a Trammie Convention in Edinburgh!!!!!

Will Trammies be seen at Haymarket, waiting for the next tram to go through


anoraks and all !!!!!!!!!
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tumshie heid,

13/11/2008 18:51:38
Good riddance. That shyster has had his hand in the till for long enough.
No more jaunts abroad for you eh Willie?
This can only be a good sign of more resignations/sackings to come and hopefully an end to this shambolic white elephant tram Line.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 18:52:40
#167

Answer: NO.

Reason: The whole project is scrapped due to common sense finally coming to the fore.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:54:43
Just think how many hybrid or fully electric buses the money already spent could have bought !
With cash left over to renovate our green spaces (those that CEC haven't sold off), and keep our schools open etc etc etc
The more I think about this, not CEC/Carillon etc etc, we really cant expect anyhting better from these quarters, BUT with the people of Edinburgh allowing these clowncillors et al to get away with this !!!!!
Are we all really that spineless,compliant & apathetic ? has the "dumbing down " and "sedation" of the people gone so far ??????
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 18:55:57
The more I think about this,THE ANGRIER I GET, not CEC/Carillon etc etc, we really cant expect anyhting better from these quarters, BUT with the people of Edinburgh allowing these clowncillors et al to get away with this !!!!!
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 19:19:36
#170

I'm as angry as you are Mate.

Thing is, we weren't given any choice in this matter.

After Edinburgh residents firmly booted out the ridiculous plans for congestion charging in 2005, the then Labour council were hell bent on revenge.

They then deliberately set about creating congestion, and in the following months and years, whilst meddling with Edinburgh's road network like never before, their congestion and aggravation to locals was realized.

Not only this, but their money-gulping tram monster was growing right under the noses of unsuspecting Edinburgh residents.

And then what happens?, low and behold the tram LINE project is FORCED through parliament. It is FORCED upon Edinburgh's residents without even asking them how they would want A HALF A BILLION QUID to be spent on their city's transport system.

Now look at the state of this once fine city: a roadworks shambles that even a third world country would be laughing at. Scores of businesses losing money hand over fist because the very people who keep them going have been forced out of town. Thousands upon thousands of everyday motorists, bus drivers, delivery drivers, taxi drivers having their journeys hugely disrupted.

Those responsible for this mess should be made to pay.

Gallagher is out, more resignations should follow.

It should not stop there though.

These criminals should be held fully accountable for the damage they have caused to The City of Edinburgh and should be prosecuted to the limit of the law.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 19:31:04
#172 exactly !

I really hope that there is a call for some form of enquiry into this sorry business, NOT the usual whitewash & flimflam, after the Scottish Parliament overspend, and other high profile projects that have been bungled it is about time that the people were listened to.
It's not enough for a shambles to be created and then people are allowed to simply walk away from it, holding up their hands and saying "it wisnae me, honest", while their back pockets bulge with their ill gotten gains.
Would you or I be allowed to act in such a fashion ????

Oh no, you can be sure that we would be called to account.
The powers that be reat the ordinairy person with huge contempt,(apart from election times) and think we are soooooooo dumb.
Sadly, this has happened too much in the past, THIS KIND OF CONTEMPT AND BETRAYAL OF PUBLIC TRUST has gone on long enough, it has become pervasisve and is high time it stopped.
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The Real Deal,

13/11/2008 19:54:58
#172

You need to sit down.

Actually, when Edinburgh voted NO in Febriary 2005, they voted against the Council's "preferred transport strategy" (which included congestion charging) and supported the Council's "base transport strategy" which - wait for it - included trams.

So, everyone who voted NO, voted for trams.

Its a fact.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 19:59:53
#174

Hoodwinked is the word you're looking for, hoodwinked.

The fact remains, the trams have been forced upon Edinburgh's residents, no two ways about it.
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The Real Deal,

13/11/2008 20:05:46
#175

Fair enough - you're perfectly entitled to think that.

But not only is the fact above (at #174) true, Edinburgh then had a chance to kick out the plans at the May 2007 local elections and they voted in 46 out of 58 Councillors who supported the delivery of the tram project.

Its another fact.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 20:08:19
#176, and we can kick them out too - fact
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 20:09:19
#176 feel free to sit down also
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The Real Deal,

13/11/2008 20:10:28
#178

True - but not until May 2012 (next local elections) and by then the tram will be up and running.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 20:19:12
oh yeah ? you can think that if you like, but mhhhh let's just see shall we ?

OBTW are there enough swards to goa around when people start to do the "honourable" thing and start flinging themselves on to them ? maybe some will have to share, OR will the numpties not even be unaware os when to make a timely exit and hang on to their positions like grim death ?????

Surely some things are just too good to let go off with dignity.

OBTW I paid for my own lunch today, the full price as was asked for, hands up all the clowncillors who did the same !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rs,

in ma house 13/11/2008 20:48:04
183

TRY CARBON FOOTPRINT ON THE WORLD, DUE OT ALL THE CONGESTION
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 20:57:55
#183

Funny man aren't you Rodger? Or at least you think you're funny.

Pretty sad really..
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tumshie heid,

13/11/2008 21:08:15
#180. There is no way the trams will be up and running by 2012.By then everyone will have deserted the sinking ship and all that we as taxpayers will be left with is a huge bill and some tramtracks to remind us of the councils folly.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 21:31:27
well, maybe we can make the best of a bad job, and the tourists will come to see Edinburgh's second "Disgrace" !
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 21:53:56
#186

Totally agree. There is a snowball's chance in HELL that the trams will be running by 2012 - if ever at all.

Considering that 'not a penny more' will be given by the Government to this insane tram LINE, coupled with the fact that The City of Edinburgh Council is on the verge of bankruptcy, the tram project is dead in it's boots.

Also points to consider are that any further Government funds will be poured into the Commonwealth Games project and the M74 extension, further puts nails in the trams coffin.

With the current economic climate, I would predict this monstrosity will devour all the funds available to it in around 12-15 months.

Common sense would say why not just cancel the whole thing now, re-surface all the roads which have been dug up to move the utilities and then compensate IN FULL all those businesses that have had their takings stolen from them by the fools who have forced this disgraceful project upon us.
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Ian down under,

Musselburgh 13/11/2008 22:12:13
Apart from the obvious benefits the trams will bring [like they do everywhere else] at this time a major infrastructure project will be instrumental in regenerating the economy. Let the tram network grow and add in more suburban rail lines too and with the added possibility of the Tram-train we can see this city improve.
Lets face it congestion has been a fact of life in Edinburgh for 40 odd years and interestingly it dates from the closure of the suburban rail system and dependance on rubber tyres and oil.
We need:
1. Re-opening of the south sub [electrified]
2. suburban routes to Gorebridge, Penicuik, Haddington [electrified]
3. More frequent service to Livingston South [electrified]
4. More frequent Forth Bridge locals [electrified]
5. The Bathgate line work already going
6. A proper airport rail link
7.Tramway network for main inner urban lines
8. Buses for local use and feeding rail based modes
9. A lot less cars, but clearer roads so that when they must be used they can get moving.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 22:12:21
#189

What are you on about Man?!

You're on these forums as much as anyone enlightening us with YOUR half-baked theories.

I suggest that your 'girl' is called Iris, she is made of polythene and is full or air.

..and your 'beer' is Tescos value lager



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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/11/2008 22:25:31
wait.until.all.the.wires.and.cables.go.up.hated.trams
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tumshie heid,

13/11/2008 22:27:03
#191
He'll be back on soon enough either when he is finished (30 secs) or sooner if the "girl " gets a puncture!!
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/11/2008 22:28:01
will.the.9.and.10.still.go.to.COLINTON.hope.not
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 22:38:11
Euan (172) - I think the only way that Willie Gallagher or any of his colleagues could ever be held accountable is if they were found to have lied. For example, he is on record (several times) as saying that the tram scheme is on time and on budget but, if that turns out to be incorrect and it can be proven that his statements had been deliberately misleading at the times they were made, then I wonder if there could be a case to answer.

Heaven knows, I am no fan of either but, Mr Gallagher's and TIE's role is to introduce the tram line. That's it. End of. Problems experienced by businesses and residents are not technically TIE's problem. As long as there has been no deliberate misrepresentation, then Mr Gallagher/TIE are doing their job.

If problems arise, be they financial or other, then the blame would lie squarely with Council officials and the politicians and they should be held accountable. For example, if there is a funding shortfall, I would be keen to know why our Director of Finance had exposed Lothian Buses and/or the Council taxpayer to such risk, particularly given the warnings contained in TIE's own background papers. If the anticipated patronage levels are not achieved, then I would have liked to know why Andrew Holmes and the Parliamentary Committees had approved such a high-risk route, despite National Audit Office warnings. Sadly, of course, Mr Holmes is no longer in his post.

I know that the funding/routing issues were presented through deputations to all 52 councillors as long ago as five years but they chose to proceed with the scheme regardless, so they would also be culpable.
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roadstohell,

13/11/2008 23:03:46
aha ! at last the word I wanted to hear, culpable !

accountability, now if this was rigorously applied it may make public officials more careful in the way they spend public funds !!!!

Methinks we would see a positive lemming like exodus of officials, keen to distance themselves from this doomed project and it consequences, piggy oinking replaced with ratty squeeking !!!!
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Trams shams,

14/11/2008 06:33:50
Glad to see that Foo managed to get my comment removed... The only comment removed! As per usual Sarah B paints a sensible picture whilst the tram supporters just sink further into the mire.

Simply removing the idiotic traffic reduction measures will achieve all the CO2 cuts required...! I will also point you to this site (again) http://www.gizmag.com/bae-systems-hybrid-drive-bus-london/10333/
Come on, let's buy a few of these on the millions we'll save by scrapping the Trams.
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Trams shams,

14/11/2008 06:41:21
Forgot to say... What would be the chances of the Trams starting on the 22nd December 2012?? In which case it is as I have always been saying; It is a complete waste of time and effort.
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Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 14/11/2008 06:45:37
Councillors WAKE UP from your sleep!!! Edinburgh residents don't want this project. Where do you live? Where are you? The City of Edinburgh is becoming a Ghost Town with your horendous idea. PLEASE ACCEPT your failure and LISTEN to the electors who are telling you to SCRAP this thing!!!!!
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Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 14/11/2008 06:51:10
As long as one the old Edinburgh Council is advising Willie Gallagher and being PAID a fortune by TIE this project was a failure from the strat. This person was behind the idea of the congestion charge in Edinburgh. Hi name is K. Rimmmer.
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roadstohell,

14/11/2008 07:31:08
Deafening silence as usual from those responsible.
Even more proof of the contempt that these clowncillors hold hood the electorate.

" gonna pass me wan o them freebie sarnies, an then get on oan tae the travel agents ,a fancy some pre christmas shoppin in New York, business class o'course"
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 14/11/2008 09:46:47
#201. The tram is only a failure from perspective of those living in Edinburgh without a vested interest, alhough that is the vast majority.

The council loved the inward investment, as did the SNP when they approved the project when they could have overruled the vote of other paties. There is no escaping SNP could have stopped this and chose not to.

But coming to your point on congestion charge, the council feel that the tramline will reduce roadways, create more congestion and they will get the charge in 2nd time of asking.

It's obvious it needs cancelled for the sake of the city, but who can take that initiative to do so. Edinburghers are too quiet to have a public demonstration or have been to date.
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roadstohell,

14/11/2008 10:55:49
just to hijack this for a moment.

When did "Unwinese" become the language of choice for the EEN ? "Firefighters tackly huge blaze",
uuuuuuuuu tackly , deep joy in the fundemould

We need more plain English like this, thank you Professor Stanley Unwin, deep joy
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14/11/2008 10:58:13
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La5t_minit,

14/11/2008 11:04:53
#181, sorry about that, had to dash and put out a small fire in a block of flats..

I thought about writting for the EEN some time ago but when the editor replied stating the contents were above the intelligence level of most of their senior staff I decided it was a bad idea. Especially as I had accidently sent my 4 year olds scribble pad instead of my detailed analysis proving global warming was a figment of a tree huggers imagination...

... Lets see how long it takes one to come back on that one... tick, tock, tick tock...

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My other car's a Bell 206,

14/11/2008 11:10:39
#207. I love the fact that your posts are sucking in the most gullable... The ones replying to you are the those normally shouting the most with the least to say. The more they reply the worse they become. WELL DONE.
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GarryB,

Dunbar 14/11/2008 14:13:22
I liked the statement that Willie had a good track record in his previous well-paid jobs, he should have been just the man for the tram job then, but undoubtedly was not. We can all make our mind up about his reason for clearing out, I for one don't believe a word of the official one - he was given the push.

I know just the man to replace him - John Lindsay, CE of EL Cooncil until some creative "redundancy" was inven oops discovered.
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Alberto.,

14/11/2008 14:57:43
As I read more and more each day about the 'Problems - unforeseen or not' regarding the Edinburgh TRAM FIASCO - Oh! Yes it is! - the more I am re-assured that the TASK is one too far for the likes of Edinburgh Council and their 'alleged' expertise, which seems - if nothing else, very lacking for the Job, but seemingly, more than ever now, being entirely driven 'onwards' - to wherever, by 'EGO' power and BUREAUCRATIC FACE SAVING' (not to mention the poor old taxpayers funds!) above all else!

Why is it that when 'all is looking lost' bureaucracy never has the ability - for whatever reason, to allow 'COMMON SENSE' to prevail, or even be considered, simply for the reasons stated above - regardless of the expense, or savings, that may be involved ?

It would seem that the only 'expertise' possessed by many in Bureaucratic / Political circles / employment, is to be favoured with the 'Gift of the gab!' - in their, no doubt many necessary attempts at 'Personal Job Saving' - as a first priority!

If someone from the 'alleged' top shelf is prepared to 'resign' and forsake the usual rewards offered / guaranteed to those holding such positions(a very brave and most unusual step indeed!!!) it would seem to be saying loud and clear - 'Something must be / probably is / glaringly wrong, somewhere!! But will the truth - if any of that rare commodity is still around, reach our ears!!

Great doubt seems to be the answer!
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 14/11/2008 15:12:16
#201, JATP; Oh yes, I remember him as one of Mr Bean Holmes' Henchmen - took his Gold-Plated Kooncil Pension, jumped ship to TIE. Last I heard he was little more than office tea boy. They obviously recognised his talents.
192

The Real Deal,

14/11/2008 17:12:41
Hello Graham
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Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 14/11/2008 18:12:36
Yes that is the man. He got a HUGE handshake from the council when he retired and a JOB as a special advisor to the former TIE chairman Willie G. Please clowncillors get real!!!!
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James (1),

17/11/2008 20:00:28
He is leaving for personal reasons?
Could that mean his professional credibility will take a huge hammering when it goes breasts up?

Just say you are leaving for "personal" circumstances because there are others who will still make good money out of this lost venture.
They also cannot ask what this made up personal circumstances are that need you to quit an extremely well paid job.
See they will think there is no way you would give up such a high paid job unless you
a)had a serious problem or more likely,
b)you knew the venture will crash and burn and you need to get as far away from it as possible at any cost.
The public are so stupid they will finance anything as long as you tell them confidently it will be a success and only narrow minded people cannot see it. The public response will then be:-
I'm not narrow minded like them so let's keep on pouring money into it. We'll show them!

 

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