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A ROADSHOW is to visit a Lothian town today to try to persuade smokers to stub out the habit.
NHS Health Scotland and NHS Lothian workers were to advise people in Haddington thinking about quitting.

Kerry McKenzie, a programme manager, said: "Smokers are more likely to quit if they combine nicotine replacement therapy with stop smoking sessions."

The roadshow will be outside John Muir House from 10am.



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  • Last Updated: 12 January 2008 11:30 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Tobacco
 
1

Rollo Tommasi,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 14:47:17
Good luck to everyone who's trying to quit.
2

Exocet,

12/01/2008 15:10:45
What a waste of taxpayers money.
3

Tim85,

12/01/2008 17:06:10
I'd advise using the Allen Carr method. It's proven to be more effective than NRT.
4

Bill Crombie,

12/01/2008 17:12:24
Since New Labour came into power over a decade ago, the creation of non-jobs in the state sector has been nauseating. These anti-smoker jobs are no exception.

I await the day that this corrupt New Labour administration is kicked out and the slow process of preparing the damage to this country starts. Restoration of some basic liberties would be a good start and, of course, an amendment to this deplorable smoking ban and smokers bought back in from the cold.

Well, at long last there has been an admission by the "health professions" that nicotine replacement gum is less than successful in helping people quit smoking. However, Big Pharma is more than happy with the profits from this fraud.
5

tug f wilson,

nottingham 12/01/2008 17:17:45
I would like to say,good luck to all those smokers who just want to smoke inside the pubs/clubs where they belong,lets end this smoking ban and get back to the real world,so they do not use the tax money made from smokers on stupid ideas like this,tell children what to do,not adult smokers,cheers,Tug.
6

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 17:20:33
I'd have thought most smokers would appreciate any form of help to rid them of their addiction. Still, I suppose you will always get committed lemmings.
7

Exocet,

12/01/2008 18:01:23
The spending of £11 Million of taxpayers money this year on a propaganda exercise is a disgrace. If the smoking ban is such a success why are the Government having to spend so much on advertising campaigns. It is now widely accepted that SHS does not kill and the politicians should admit they were conned by the Anti-Smoking organisations.
8

Bill Crombie,

12/01/2008 18:07:44
#7 David from wherever - who cares?

I suggest you look up the meaning of addiction in the dictionary? Considering many millions of UK citizens have given up smoking, it can hardly be called an addiction - a habit maybe.

If "lemming" means I am a person of independent thought and can see through the lies of "passive smoking" and resist the social engineering of today's society (the smoking ban being but one example), then I am a lemming.

As a taxpayer, I strongly resent my money being wasted on useless initiatives, which typifies New Labour's approach to most of society's problems.
9

tug f wilson,

nottingham 12/01/2008 18:09:27
I agree with you David,you only have to look at the Anti and non smoking lemmings who follow the Governments views on SHS blindly without even wanting to know the truth,still there are a lot of people who cannot think for themselves,they will learn in due course,cheers, Tug.
10

Rollo Tommasi,

12/01/2008 19:24:24
Oh for goodness sake. Don't tell me the robots have been summoned from F2C Central Command to comment on this story, which has nothing to do with passive smoking!

Can't you guys accept that many smokers would rather stop and wish them good luck in their efforts to do so? Maybe you think you could stop quickly and easily whenever you wanted. But for most smokers, it's a lot more difficult than that.
11

Bill Crombie,

12/01/2008 19:39:28
Rollo - I am perfectly entitled to comment on any article I choose. As for a F2C High Command, you are clearly deluded. We seek the truth, we seek an amendment to the smoking ban and we seek an end to the demonisation of smoking and smokers. There are far more important issues to the focused on in the world than a few wisps of smoke. We ain't going away - so get used to it!
12

David from New Mills,

Wherever-who cares? 12/01/2008 19:41:39
#9, B.C.
"Addict"= A slave to a habit or vice, esp. a drug. We all have habits, but are not all slaves to them. I agree that many smokers have managed to free themselves from their addiction, but sadly many have not as yet been able to.
By lemming, I meant the secondary meaning, namely a fool,esp. a person unthinkingly following others to disaster.
Bill Crombie's concept of being, or not being, a lemming would scarcely lead to disaster.
Smokers who were helped to shake off their addiction might not regard funds allocated to help them as "money being wasted on useless initiatives."
13

NoBanJan,

Manchester 12/01/2008 19:50:12
Adults make their own decisions as to whether or not to smoke and tax payers money should not be wasted in this way!Give people the right to choose whether or not to allow smoking on their premises.The sooner this ban is modified, the better for everyone, even you antis who would then not have to breathe in our "noxious" fumes going into pubs etc!
freedom2choosedotinfo
14

Tim85,

12/01/2008 19:52:42
I wish any smokers who wish to quit every success. One of the best methods is Snus, which the EU saw fit to ban for most of the EU back in the early 1990s. It has certainly reduced the smoking incidence rates in Sweden.

Of course, there are those that seek to demonise Snus, dismissing it as ineffective as an aid to stopping smoking, and claim it is unsafe. Quite how it's less safe than 4mg of nicotine in one go (the equivalent of more than 4 cigs) the dosage contained in the lozenges recommended for moderate-heavy smokers, is beyond me.
15

Bill Crombie,

12/01/2008 19:54:02
#13. David, you have obviously done your homework for the night - well done.

It is interesting to note that since that government and local healthist started upping the anti against smokers, the numbers seeking help to quit (if they wish) is now woefully low. Once people started being bullied, they resent the fact and basically give a Foxtrot Oscar to all the anti-smoking propanganda.

Anyway, I have better things to do on a Saturday night and will be going to my local "smoke-easy" soon. Goodnight all.
16

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 19:56:14
#10, tug f wilson,nottingham.
See my #13 for Bill Crombie's (and tug's) obvious misconception about the meaning of lemmings. He perhaps wished to employ a term like automatons? Those who avoid smoking, smoke or smokers are scarcely heading for disaster, so why resent or envy them? There really are a lot of people who can think for themselves, with or without propaganda from tug or the F2C brigade.
17

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 20:11:26
#16, Bill Crombie.
No need for homework, as I learned the meaning of the word "lemming" years ago,and would suggest it applies very much to those who decline to be weaned off their addiction. R.I.P.
18

Bill Crombie,

12/01/2008 20:11:27
#17
David, David, David - forget about being clever with the English language and the exact meaning of the word lemming. I think most of us are educated enough to known what it means, without your facitious repostes.

I only seek a change to the law to allow adults, whether they be smokers or tolerant non-smokers, to socialise INSIDE a public house or club. The likes of you and Rollo can pass us by and go to your smoke-free paradise elsewhere. It is as simple as that. Unfortunately, rabid antismokers like yourselves, resent anyone having a choice, making decisions for themselves and not going along with the stated "norms" from government.

Must dash, smoke-easy awaits.

19

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 20:26:48
#14, NoBanJan,Manchester.
I don't think I or other correspondents have advocated that smokers should not be free to make their choice about smoking. After all, lemmimgs will be lemmings, but smokers are simply being given the option of availing themselves of assistance to renounce their addiction, should they so wish.
NBJ's F2C plug is of no relevance to the article.
20

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 20:43:04
#19, B.C. once only.
Would "facitious repostes" (not my spelling) be an example of B.C.'s education or some attempt at a spoonerism?
B.C. is welcome to call for any amendments he chooses, but until he succeeds in this aim, Rollo and the rest of us won't feel obliged to pass pubs by, but may enter any as we please, as they're all fug free now.
If landlords choose to disregard the law, they risk the fate of Messrs. Howitt, Hogan, Blows, West and any other lemmings in the pipeline.
Let him hurry off now, and enjoy his puff.
21

Exocet,

12/01/2008 21:04:08
#20 DFNM.
Adults do make choices about whether to stop smoking or not but the Government should not be spending £11 Million of taxpayers money shoving the propaganda down people's throats. Maybe the Government are getting a big payment from the pharmaceutical companies in return.
22

Rollo Tommasi,

12/01/2008 21:54:58
Are the people who say "Government shouldn't be wasting money on encouraging people to quit" not the same people who say "Government is only interested in getting as much tax off smokers as they can"?

What's it to be guys? You can't have it both ways!
23

David from New Mills,

U.K. 12/01/2008 22:01:37
#22,Exocet.
Being offered a gift horse is scarcely akin to being forcibly fed. I'm sure Exocet is familiar with the saying about leading a horse to water etc. Has he any proof to substantiate his payments to the Government suggestion?
24

Exocet,

13/01/2008 00:38:38

Anti-Tobacco conference planned for Wales, Sponsors are Novartis and Nicorette.

http://www.smoking-conference-wales.org.uk/

25

DaveA,

Forfarshire 13/01/2008 01:42:47
Rollo and David from Derbyshire. May I wish anyone who decides to give up all the best. Allen Carr with a peer reviewed 53% success rate is the best way to go. I hope you believe me when I castigated a colleague of mine last Friday night when he lit up a fag, after given up for New Year. However token efforts like these are PR and adverts for NRT and are a waste of the taxpayers money. As has rightly been said people are merely justifying their state salaries. To answer Rollo, if they wanted us to quit they would make tobacco a class B or C drug. They are just playing lip service and if there were votes in REALLY reducing smoking NuLabour would be reaching for their 3 line whip.
26

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 09:32:59
Poor old David. He beleives in the miths of pasive smokin and now beleives the miths of lemmings.
27

grafiger,

13/01/2008 11:11:31
I wonder what happened to the thousands, nay millions, of anti-smoking lemmings who were going to rush to the pubs when the smoking ban was put into place. One would have thought that new pubs would be blossoming up everywhere, not closing down or at the very least losing money and staff.
28

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 11:28:34
#27, chas w.
I am well aware that the rodents' habit of allegedly leaping blindly into the sea to their death may not be based on fact, but would refer to my #13, where I clarified the word's secondary meaning. He might count my postings while he's scrolling up, to amuse himself, while he awaits the result of lemming Howitt's scheduled court appearance of Tuesday next.
I note dozy old chas' spelling has deteriorated, or did me mean to type "lemons"?
29

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 11:40:37
#28,grafiger.
Grafiger may have noticed that people are being influenced by the present credit squeeze and increased mortgage repayments, and are consequently feeling the financial effects of these. Will M & S be blaming smoking restrictions for their disappointing Christmas trading results? I doubt it.
I would commend grafiger for the improvements to his spelling and keybord skills. Perhaps he could give some lessons to his team mate Suffolk Charlie.
30

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 11:44:45
#29. David. When you say 'may not be based on fact', do u meen that u r not sure. Well done for noticing my speling erors, when u grow up u could be a teacher. U've herd the saying 'if all else fails u can always be a teacher'
31

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 11:57:47
#31, chas w.
I meant the only lemmings I can vouch for are Howitt, Hogan, Blows, West et al.
Or a pub landlord?
Chas missed my "me" and "he" error at #29. This should make him delirious, but trust the old boy doesn't go on to suffer an apoplexy, as F2C needs all the members and supporters it can scrape together.
32

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 12:08:04
#32. David. if u had your way, u'd have all F2C members and supporters lined up on a cliff edge and made to jump of.
33

grafiger,

13/01/2008 12:11:15
Would that be the same present credit squeeze that plagued Ireland three years ago, Scotland two and a half years ago and England last summer, most of America, particularly Hawaii, where tourism is at an all time low? And, most of Europe where sensible laws are in place. I did expect better from you, David
34

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 12:19:19
#33, chas w.
Scarcely, as they pose no threat. Mind you, they are prone to head against brick wall bashing, so I suppose there are certain resemblances to lemmings.
35

Bill Crombie,

13/01/2008 12:21:51
#32 David from New Mills

I think your crusade against smoking and smokers would make an interesting Pyscho-Analysis study for a budding PhD student...."sad individual, who should get a life" would probably be its conclusion.

At the end of the day, your reference to lemmings is an insult to over 12 million smokers and you should apologise forthwith.
36

DaveA,

Forfarshire 13/01/2008 13:05:30
David, as a public paid employee, you have a typocally poor grasp of economics. M & S' sales maybe down 2% but that will have a small effect on their share price and profits. Unlike our government you have the option in private enterprise to cut costs. Improve your process, re-structure, even make redundancies. A 20% drop in turnover which the average pub is being afflicted with, would probably see M&S' share price plummet, the CEO would be fired and probably would be taken over by a rival. BTW the idea that lemmings throw themselves off cliffs, as like your grasp of the truth, faked by Walt Disney.

"committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. The epic "lemming migration" was staged using careful editing, tight camera angles and a few dozen lemmings running on snow covered lazy-Susan style turntable.

http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlife_news.view_article&issue_id=6&articles_id=56
37

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 13:26:57
#36,Bill Crombie.
If B.C. refers back to my #18 he'll see I referred to "those who decline to be weaned off their addiction", hence my description. I understand that the majority of smokers would love to be able to be free of their addiction, but that it is extremely difficult to do so, hence my comment at #7. I have every sympathy for those who seek help, but none for those who choose to be in denial, so no apology will be forthcoming to the latter.
For the benefit of students of psychology, my life has been greatly enhanced by the universal availability of smoke free public transport, pubs and other enclosed public places.
38

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 13:32:26
#35. David. 'they pose no threat'. Do you meen smokers, suporters of F2c or lemmings?
39

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 13:46:15
#39, chas w.
As per his #33, to which my #35 had replied, "F2C members and supporters".
40

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 14:01:31
#40 'F2C members and supporters' who are mainly smokers pose no threat. You have changed your tune.
41

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 14:28:18
#40, charles w.
Melody unaltered. I still find F2C members and supporters, be they smokers or so-called "libertarian" non-smokers pose no threat. Well, perhaps to their own heads from fruitless brick wall bashing.
Has chas understood yet, or has his head suffered from too much bashing, hence his confusion and spelling errors?
42

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 15:24:30
#37,DaveA,Forfarshire.
To assist DaveA with his grasp of economics, I would point out that Marks' figures reportedly showed a 2.2% reduction on a same-store basis in value terms for the 13 weeks to December 29th. Sales volumes were actually higher,so volumes were gained at the expense of price reductions of some 6%, according to their C.E.O.
This may be policy as a short term measure, but the result on profits will be apparent when the next lot of financial results are published. Whether that is a "small" result, as stated by Dave, remains to be seen.
Marks' share price fell by 20% on the news of these poor results. Perhaps Dave feels that is a "small" reduction?
The British Retail Consortium was recently reported as saying that high street sales grew at their slowest pace since March 2006 during December, making it the worst Christmas for retailers in three years, so it's not just pubs who are feeling the pinch.
Neither Marks nor the BRC seem to be blaming smoking restrictions, however.
Regarding his macro-enonomic comments on the public sector, efficiencies, savings, cost reductions and redundancies are indeed possible there, but in the absence of any profit motive and accountability to shareholders, are not so likely, so the cost of poor results there is borne by the taxpayer.
I am not familiar with his Disneyworld representation of lemmings, but would remind him of the secondary meaning of lemmings as per my #13.
By the way, has Dave been downgraded from his previous AAA rating for some reason. Also, what's this "public paid employee" allegation? More wild guesses from the pro-smoker lobby when they run out of ideas?
43

DaveA,

Forfarshire 13/01/2008 15:38:43
David of New Mills: Call me dim but is it because M&S do not sell tobacco and the wine cannot be consumed on the premises? The only correlation I can think of is due to all the smokers giving up,they are burning their clothes less and do not have to buy new ones. Perhaps Dvaid "Maynard Keynes" of New Mills can put us right. So if 2.2% = 20% of the share price, what does a 20% drop in profits for a pub mean. As amply demonstrated = bankrupcy, unemployment and misery. Perhaps you should revist the M&S lingerie department to stock up for the new year as I am sure you are the type that becomes "Clarissa" at the weekend. The shahre price is bound to get back to the old levels.
44

Donnie,

HMP Britain 13/01/2008 16:04:33
An utter waste of taxpayers money, another scam to keep control freaks in a job created by Nu Labour, roll on the next election.

David of New Mills if you are realy interested in the ecomonic state of pubs read this, the value of shares has halved in 6 months, yes the smoking ban is working.

June 28 2007:
Enterprise Inns 690p
Greene King 992p
JD Wetherspoon 544.5p
Marstons 400.75p
Mitchells & Butlers 880p
Punch Taverns 1235p
S&N 644p
Whitbread 1791p
Young & Co 3030p



January 10th 2008:

Enterprise Inns 386.25p
Greene King 660.5p
JD Wetherspoon 300.5p
Marstons 261.5p
Mitchells & Butlers 395.75p
Punch Taverns 624.5p
Whitbread 1107p
Young & Co 2050p

Percentage difference:

Enterprise Inns -44.02%
Greene King -43.3%
JD Wetherspoon -44.81%
Marstons -34.74%
Mitchells & Butlers -55.02%
Punch Taverns -50.15%
Whitbread -38.19%
Young & Co -32.34%


45

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 16:29:15
#44, DaveA.
O.K., I'll call DaveA dim, and now realise why he was downgraded from triple 'A' rating. As Marks have never been in the business of selling tobacco or wine for consumption on the premises, this wouldn't explain their poor showing. According to F2C, smokers aren't all giving up smoking but doing so more in their own homes. Marks should perhaps gain from this when their smoke ingrained curtains, sofas and soft furnishings need to be replaced.
Dvae, to adopt his inversion of letters, is trying to compare apples and oranges. The 2.2% was of Marks sales by value. The 20% is allegedly of pubs' net profits. There is no correlation between the two disparate sets of data. Marks don't permit smoking in their stores, but do not seem to be facing "bankrupcy, unemployment and misery" as a consequence.
I do agree that the "shahre", or even share, price will recover in due course as part of the economic cycle.
If amateur economist Dave wishes to improve his knowledge, he could always take the FT., "The Economist", or follow the financial pages in the quality press. Or perhaps he should have taken up teaching, as advocated by chas w.?
I don't really care, however, where he buys his undies from, "public paid employee" or otherwise..
46

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 16:53:06
I fink david is getting confused between smokers and heavy metal fans. even they didnt literaly bang there heads against walls. DaveA, dont make spelling misstakes ovawise David will pick u up like he in #46 cant spel your name right.
47

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 16:58:21
#45,Donnie,HMP Britain.
I note that, despite Labour losing control in the Scottish Parliament, the SNP / Green coalition hasn't repealed smoking legislation in Scotland. Still, assuming Donnie to be an eligible voter,he can always try his luck in the U.K. General Election, within the next two years or so. Just a tip, don't vote for the Publican Party.
Donnie is to be congratulated on his ability to copy and paste from his leader's article of 10th January, but will be disappointed to learn that I have no pecuniary interest in the share price of breweries or pubcos, as I have no direct holdings in these companies.
His leader seems noticeably absent from these threads of late, but as he would appear to be editor-in-chief nowadays, as well as chairman, of F2C, it's scarcely surprising.
As his daily diatribes reached a peak of six on Friday, perhaps his keyboard or Colin Gee himself suffered burnout?
Cross Steve used to share the honours, but seems to have dropped out. Another parting of the ways within "the movement", perhaps?
48

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 17:05:43
#47, chas w.
If chas w. cares to read my #46 just a little carefully, he will perhaps absorb the fact that I was only emulating Dave's "Dvaid "Maynard Keynes" of New Mills" bad example at #44.
Poor show chas. "Really must try harder", as teachers used to say. He should perhaps know.
49

Bill Crombie,

13/01/2008 17:10:27
#48 David Mills from New Mills

It is very striking that you appear to be the only "anti" treading the boards on this thread; could it be that even your compatriates have become completely bored of your rantings? Or perhaps the antis think the war has been won and they don't need to voice their opinions anymore!!

You seem to take an extreme interest in the F2C forum/ website - you obviously must still find us a threat even after the war has been supposedly won.
50

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 17:16:18
#49 David. I was refering to #46 when u spelled Dave as Dvae. Idiot. I dont fink youd even make it as a teacher, as theyd even show you up.
51

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 17:47:09
#51, chas w.
Either chas isn't concentrating or is suffering from some form of learning difficulty.
I repeat from #46, "Dvae, to adopt his inversion of letters " The critical words are those following the word "Dvae".
I can only give 0/10 on this won. I bet chas. made a lousy pupil.
52

english charlie,

suffolk 13/01/2008 18:48:24
#52. I did very well at skool. I was also very popular. I hope that David was moor popular at skool than he is on these rants.
53

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 18:49:33
#50,Bill Crombie.
Regarding my being the only pro-restrictionist on the forum pro tem, I would remind B.C. of the old adage about quality being more more important than quantity, besides which, I keep having to guide slow learner chas.
By "compatriates", did B.C. mean to say "compatriots", which means countrymen? I would suggest he was feverishly searching for some word akin to sympathisers or maybe allies. If he manages to choose a word I might be able to answer the question.
My interest in F2C is purely superficial, but I wish to avoid the trap of complacency, illusrated by the likes of mandy v. and other smokers, who didn't realise the implications of the Health Act, 2006, until long after it's Bill had received the Royal Assent.
On a similar theme, pre-war Germany came under Nazi control by default, so I keep an eye on F2C, just in case their numbers were to swell to 4 million while I wasn't looking, although that's as likely as the Publican Party winning the next election.
So as the "war" has been won, I have no "extreme" interest in the diatribes of his Führer, nor in the fate of Cross Steve.
54

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 19:11:27
#34, grafiger.
I assume he is trying to portray some correlation between smoking restrictions and the wellbeing of pubs.
Not been to Eire's pubs post 2004, but Cork Airport was thriving some two years ago, with smoking restrictions in force. My visits to Scotland post 26/3/2006 have continued to find pubs doing well, with smokers slipping quietly outside as required.
England's credit squeeze is generally recognised as having begun in August, following the collapse of the U.S. sub-prime market, and Northern Rock's little local difficulties.
I have no experience of hostelries in the U.S., let alone Hawaii, but unbiased reports suggest most people there and in Canada have got used to the situation, and wouldn't want to turn the clock back.
Does he agree that Italy, France and some German Länder have adopted his ideas of "sensible laws". If not, there's always the solution of one German bar owner of holes in the wall for smokers' heads and hands to poke through.
Wonder why I was reminded of village stocks? Hope no one throws rotten fruit.

55

Donnie,

13/01/2008 19:52:40
David you have got to try harder than that,and you couldnt be more wrong, well thats not unusual in your case. Mind you its good to know that you find the chairman of F2C's newspage riveting, you have got some intelligence then.
56

Donnie,

13/01/2008 19:54:04
By the way David why arnt you down your local pub supporting it now that you have all that smoke free atmosphere, shame on you.
57

David from New Mills,

U.K. 13/01/2008 20:36:59
#56/7, Donnie.
As Donnie gives no posting no. reference, I don't know to what he's referring in #56.
His choice of the word rivetting is presumptive, as that is not how I see his Führer's words.
I don't go to pubs 24/7, especially as it's been a miserable wet day, even in Pleasantville, but as I choose.
If Donnie and his Führer, amongst others, have chosen to shun pubs since the imposition of smoking restrictions, it scarcely shows much spirit of support for their local landlords.
58

Rob Simpson,

UK 13/01/2008 22:47:35
I can only comment on the story itself, which says the roadshow is going to try and persuade smokers to quit. That doesn't sound like a support for those already wanting to quit, but a brow beating exercise.
As a smoker you only need visit your GP to get all the smoking cessation advice you'd ever want. WTF are we spending millions on a roadshow for?
59

mandyv,

banitland 13/01/2008 22:52:15
The Antis are coming to town, let the hatred and misinformation begin. http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com:80/
Then there was the Congressional Investigation by the U.S. House of Representatives. It found that EPA, in its study of secondhand smoke, was guilty of “conscious misuse of science and the scientific process to achieve a political agenda that could not otherwise be justified.” It also stated: “The agency has deliberately abused and manipulated scientific data in order to reach a predetermined, politically motivated result.”

...while the smoking ban activists claimed their aim to be a healthier society, the hatred they spawned and laws they achieved have been producing violence and death. Last week the Minneapolis Star Tribune carried an article headlined: “Man Charged with Severing Wife's Tongue and Windpipe.” It states that the man slashed her throat because she smoked a cigarette to celebrate her birthday. She is in critical condition, and he is being charged with attempted murder. There are many examples of such violence (read more here) because of the hatred whipped up by the anti-smoking activists.
If they stopped pushing the so called "theraputic" nictotine products, maybe they could be taken seriously. But then they are addicted to money, power and control. Why else would they not push Allan Carrs book, it has a higher success rate for quitting.
freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike,
60

english charlie,

suffolk 14/01/2008 08:53:12
#57 Donnie. Come on be fare to David. He got a bus on new years eve and drank ONE pint at TWO pubs. he probably got the bus cause be hes barred form his local, cause hes a trouble maker. He wants every pub in the Uk to be smoke free so that HE has the freedom to choose which ONE he can go too.
61

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 10:11:06
#61, chas w.
Poor old chas "Pub Watcher" winfield is having to fall back on his old ploy of making wild guesses, when he runs out of ideas. David "probably" got the bus because it was convenient, and is no more barred from his local(s) than Donnie and his Führer are unable to enjoy U.K. pubs, unless they're known troublemakers. As the Führer apparently tried to light up in his local in March 2006, and was then asked to desist or leave, perhaps the troublemaker label would best apply to him.
Either way, David is pleased that he can enter almost any enclosed public place in the U.K., secure in the knowledge that smoking restrictions will apply.
62

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 10:22:07
#59,Rob Simpson,UK.
The report also said "NHS Health Scotland and NHS Lothian workers were to advise people in Haddington thinking about quitting."
If smokers were thinking about quitting, they are scarcely liable to have been corralled unwillingly and force fed, simply offered some encouragement and help.
63

grafiger,

14/01/2008 10:58:11
#61 English Charlie.
Sorry to nitpick, but you stated about David:
"He wants every pub in the Uk to be smoke free so that HE has the freedom to choose which ONE he can go too."
Didn't you mean:
"He wants every pub in the Uk to be smoke free so that HE has the freedom to choose which ONES not to go to."
64

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 11:55:57
#64,grafiger.
I'll go with that, in that my choice of drinking and other venues should not have to depend on whether the're fug free or smoke filled.
Perhaps grafiger could become chas' tutor, if he thinks he could handle such an unruly pupil?
65

english charlie,

suffolk 14/01/2008 12:07:12
David, You did not comment on #53. were u moor popular at skool than you are on these rants or was u hated by other pupils for running to the head master every time u saw someone smoking behind the bike shed?
66

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 19:28:15
#66, chas w.
I chose not to. However, now that chas has managed to put together something resembling a question, and to try to satisfy his apparently insatiable curiosity, I would advise him that I was decidedly more popular than I would appear to be with the vitriolic pro-smoker posters on these threads.
As pupils at my school were never known to smoke tobacco, pot, or consume alcohol behind the bike shed or elsewhere, the situation never really arose. Perhaps I just went to a better class of school than poor old chas.
67

english charlie,

suffolk 14/01/2008 19:40:39
I have just looked up 'pleasantville' on google and found the answer to my question. 'David has few friends'. What a surprise!
68

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 20:39:32
#68, chas w.
Glad chas has managed to find some slight amusement, whilst he awaits the reports of loser Howitt's next court appearance to-morrow.
Loser Blows is due in court in a week's time.
69

David from New Mills,

U.K. 14/01/2008 21:27:47
#68, chas w.
Look's as if dozy old chas couldn't keep his eyes open, and fell asleep during the b/w section of the movie, and missed the colourful dénouement. Shame!
70

english charlie,

suffolk 15/01/2008 12:24:35
Oh David, David with few friends of Pleasantville, where did I say a watched the movie? Why would I want to watch a movie about a sad boy who had few friends?
71

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, still in the U.K. 15/01/2008 12:45:44
#71, chas w.
If chas were to watch the movie through to it's colourful ending, he might just discover what it was really about.
72

celtic4,

USA 28/05/2008 03:11:27
More pushing by anti-smoker activists. Sigh. Here in the states, we cannot smoke in a Federal Building (duh), or in any restraunts now, and NOW we cannot smoke in a taxi!!! It is the LAW. As a smoker I hate this being forced into something. And my health care is mine, not that of my government. And I am NOT a lemming. That is just rude.I do not believe this anti-anti will help anything.

 

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