Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

Endinburgh Council
 
 
Monday, 2nd November 2009 Change Date Latest Issue

Robinson can't hide his anger at ref as decisions play huge role in defeat

Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 06 December 2008
Edinburgh 16 Wasps 25
SUPER SUB Andy Kelly says pride will be Edinburgh's spur for the remainder of a Heineken European Cup rugby campaign that is now hanging by a thread after a 16-25 defeat by London Wasps at Murrayfield last night.

While the odds are stacked against
Edinburgh qualifying – they have now lost two out of three matches – hooker Kelly refused to throw in the towel.

An 18th-minute replacement for injury victim Ross Ford, Kelly slotted in so seamlessly that Edinburgh's set-piece work remained a positive – in contrast to some sterile back play.

Kelly said afterwards: "We still really want to go down to Wasps next Sunday and beat them. We said in the changing room we really want to put in a performance down there. It's another game and it has got to be won."

Such resolve could not conceal the angst that underlay an encounter in which the key moment came with the 70th-minute sin-binning of Ross Rennie for a tackle on Paul Sackey which was deemed dangerous.

Edinburgh were holding a 16-15 lead at the time but a converted try was conceded before the flanker returned. Kelly claimed however, that the responsibility for letting things slip was collective.

He said: "When you lose a man who have to pull together and keep playing rugby. We maybe stopped playing rugby when he went off. It wasn't a massive factor but we should have kept playing."

What happened was that starting with a sixth Danny Cipriani penalty which punished the yellow-card offence, Wasps were allowed to regain the momentum which they were rapidly losing after Edinburgh had overturned an early 12-0 lead.

The fact that Edinburgh were hit on the counter after rousing themselves with three Chris Paterson penalties and a try by Mark Robertson from a clever Phil Godman cross-kick clearly frustrated assistant coach Rob Moffat.

He said: "Not to be disrespectful to Wasps but we lost the game rather then them winning it.

"We made too many mistakes and our decision making in the first half let us down. We will always try to play rugby but I don't think Wasps came with the intention to play at all.

"It's a power game they play and they wait for the opposition to make mistakes."

Moffat's remarks hit the nail on the head with Edinburgh playing into Wasps hands for long periods, culminating in them being suckered by their more streetwise and tactically astute rivals.

Discipline was so poor that Cipriani was able to keep the scoreboard ticking over – leaving the Scots to play catch up.

When Edinburgh did get their noses in front, a series of decisions saw head coach Andy Robinson at his most animated.

From position at the back of the West stand Robinson emerged from a glass studio to make his feelings clear – particularly at Rennie's sin-binning for allegedly bending back then dumping Sackey on his upper body.

"That's just a tackle. Christ Almighty that's embarrassing," yelled Robinson from near the heart of the crowd.

Seven minutes later Robinson emerged into the night air again when he greeted Wasps' try by Tom Rees battling over from a ruck stemming from a scrum infringement with a shout of: "That's a double movement."

Had Edinburgh been controlling territory, though, Wasps would not have been in position to capitalise on the misjudgements by French ref Christophe Berdos – real or imagined.

There were successes for Edinburgh, including Mike Blair at scrum half and Nick De Luca running himself into the ground in midfield without decent service.

However, too often the occasion resembled a recent Scotland Test performance. In other words, lots of endeavour up front but no penetration behind the scrum .

Granted, summer law changes have left sides afraid of being caught in possession and penalised, prompting a form of aerial tennis but Edinburgh took that approach much too far.

Especially throughout the first half, which ended with them 3-12 behind, Edinburgh punted often and speculatively.

When they did run, it was often from slow second phase possession as Wasps proved masterly at dominating collisions in a way that made Edinburgh seem lightweights by comparison.

So, another Euro campaign has – barring a miracle – effectively come and gone with Edinburgh on this latest display having little to show for it other than Kelly's accurate line-out throwing and general bustle, quality place kicking by Paterson and trenchant ball carrying from Ally Hogg.

Both Blair and De Luca did their British and Irish Lions tour prospects no harm in front of Wasps coach Ian McGeechan, who is also the Lions chief.

Afterwards Robinson said of a match which attracted an Edinburgh European Cup record crowd of 7711: "At 16-15 with 15 minutes to go we were the dominant side and we had to push on and win the game.

"We were unable to do that. We couldn't because of the penalties we gave away, because we got isolated inside our half and we struggled at the breakdown."

Scorers:

Edinburgh: Try: Robertson; Con: Paterson; Pens: Paterson (3).Wasps: Try: Rees; Con: Cipriani; Pens: Cipriani (6).

Edinburgh: Paterson, Robertson, Cairns, De Luca, Webster Godman, M Blair, Jacobsen, Ford (Kelly 18), G Cross (Kerr, 75), C Hamilton (Mustchin, 59), J. Hamilton, MacDonald, Rennie, Hogg.

Wasps: Van Gisbergen, Sackey, Waldouck, Flutey, Lewsey; Cipriani, Reddan; Payne, Webber, Vickery, Skivington (Shaw, 54),Birkett, Betsen, Rees (Hart, 80), Haskell.



Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 06 December 2008 11:01 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh rugby
 
1

Blind Pew,

06/12/2008 12:54:38
Sorry, but professional sportsmen must be tearing their hair out when a referee influences the outcome of a match so much. Berdos was awful, his inconsistency was incredible, penalising Edinburgh in their 22, for infringements that Wasps were also committing all game and getting away with.

There was the blatant knock on before Rennie was binned, which would have led to Edinburgh's scrummage and the offence wouldn't have then happened, touch judges why are they there????

As to the try, with a clear double movement, which an unsighted ref couldn’t pick up! Again, where were the touch judges, why no TMO referral if any doubt???

Edinburgh were clearly the better team and McGeechan’s excuse about Wasps constant kicking being because the ELVs don’t let you play rugby in your half is mystifying!!!! No CL teams play with this philosophy and neither do the French, so what he means is in the money driven GP we can’t afford to take chances? A star studded Wasps team, which a young Edinburgh team completely outplayed through better tactics.

Have the Lions got the right man after all???????????????
2

KD,

06/12/2008 13:17:07
Good to see a decent crowd there. If only they could play in a smaller stadium...
3

The Argy,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 13:47:02
I don't know what game you guys watched last night, but it looks like it was a Tenis game...There were so many kicks that my neck still sore ... I am very dissapinted to see pro-rugby playing like that...it was so boring, and then the referee is the guilty one ?? Come on !!! No wonder why NZ, Oz and SA hummer any of the North Hemisfhere team... Here a few tips, keep possession of the ball, attack the space and work your way through ... Any way, good luck !!
4

monto,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 13:57:24

Can`t believe I`m redaing De Luca had a great match. This kicking bore confirmed that Scotland do not have the right men at 10 and 12 We all know 10 is a problem but every top test team has a strong presence at 12 -it must be Morrison or Dewey We also must include both Evans boys.Paterson is so easily turned over in possession so right selection by Hadden from 10 to 15 will be crucial for the 6N
5

AlastairS,

06/12/2008 14:57:36
I am interetsed in 4# comments. I thought DeLuca did do well, Blair was excellent as well and can we now end the "Godman can't kick" comments. He found excellent touches each time he kicked for touch. His cross kick to Robertson led to a try and another little kick led to DeLuca being stopped inches form the line. Unfortunately although Patterson is deadly accurate, his range is limited leading Edinburgh to kick to touch when Cipriani would have been kicking at goal.
Again the pack did well and Jim Hamilton cannot have done his chances any harm as his lineout jumping was so good Wasps stopped competing in the second half.
I also disliked the perpetual kicking but when you are leading and the other team has not looked remotely like scoring a try you keep the ball in their half of the pitch which is what Edinburgh did until the harsh decision on Rennie. For the rest of the game they tried to play running rugby.
6

JT,

06/12/2008 18:32:26
What do we have to do to get a ref that plays fair to BOTH teams?? Not once did I see the ref indicate that Wasps were offside or penalised for blatant high tackles. Yes Edinburgh did give away stupid penalties and for the kids who constantly boo'd Ciprani, he punished us in the worst way by slotting over all the kicks.All we ask for is if one team gets pinged for offside when the other team comits that offencse they get pinged too! Please take note ALL REF's!
7

Armageddon,

Fishing Boat, North Minch 07/12/2008 11:10:10
# 7....
Yes this blind git of a referee is the love child of Colin Brett (Its my Ego and I'll whistle if I want too"....who god help us all trains SRU refs....badly...

Brett's classes include....

Advanced Constant whistle blowing for A@&% retentives.
How to appear more important than the teams
How to make mountains from mole hills
How to discourage flowing rugby by pedantci nit picking.
How to get the crowd to concentrate on the referee rather than the game.
Advanced forcing players and coaches to give up the game.


Another snout in the SRU trough ...god help Scotland
8

Dr Drikus van Panzerfest, Saffer Shrink,

07/12/2008 16:37:37
Face it, in 99% of games scottish teams have to beat the opposition AND the refs.
Did anyone see Alain Rolland today? Letting Bath knock on, stand off side, everything. The guy is an ebarrassment and every time a Scottish team see him as the ref they know the oppo start with 9 points advantage.
We haven't had a top class ref ourselves since Jim Fleming, there's something rotten going on when it comes to scottish teams and refs.
9

doubled,

West of Glasgow 07/12/2008 18:09:16
Interesting to watch the fine performance of Jackson, Glasgow's stand-off against Bath this afternoon,who was playing in place of Parks. Didn't see the Edin/Wasps game but hopefully we now have at least 2 stand-offs who are able and willing to run the ball as well as kick it well (at least in Parks' case !) Please don't let Hadden stop the development of any young stand-off of similar calibre and for Sean Lineen - get Jackson more game time. He's potentially international calibre, with speed, a 2-footed break and an eye for the gap. Roll on the the David LLoyd Cup !
10

Big Smoke,

07/12/2008 18:58:51
No.8 I agree fully with you and I usually only comment on this thing to slate folk and wind them up!

But Colin Brett is turd and deserved his dressing down in a shower, Refs Development Manager what a laugh obviously he was the only applicant! jesus he used to pack our suitcases on to British airways jets for a living and he was useless at that also!
11

GAR,

Dublin 08/12/2008 09:11:32
Watched the glasgow game yesterday, not sure how lineen must cope watching his team! The game was a real up and down affair.

Young Jackson was excellent, a couple of basic mistakes, but so what. There was no aimless kicking and certainly no huge looping intercept passes, infact he showed geat awareness to make an intercept in the last minutes. I also thought gregor at S-H had a good game, you could really see how 7s had benefited both the players.

Baths are ultimately a barbarian type team with a whole host of rugby mercenaries playing for them!!
12

Armageddon,

fishing boat, north minch 08/12/2008 10:49:40
Thanks Big Smoke

so Colin...."oh god how big is my ego" Brett used to work for BA...so baggage handler to glad hander....what a looser


 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 

Featured Advertising



Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.