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Published Date:
16 October 2007
EDINBURGH assistant coach Rob Moffat has hinted that the best rugby might not be seen from his charges so long as they continue to be based in the cavernous Murrayfield Stadium.
A capacity of 67,500 at Scotland team headquarters overwhelmed a 1412 turn-out to witness Edinburgh's latest outing in the Magner's Celtic League - a 13-19 defeat at the hands of Newport/Gwent Dragons.

It was the second successive weekend Edinbur
gh had failed to win on their own pitch and afterwards Moffat said that lack of atmosphere made it possible fans would have to travel to see co-captain Simon Cross and his team deliver victories.

"In the short term there are not going to be huge crowds at Murrayfield. So, when we play away in front of 10-15,000 that is a spur to us," claimed Moffat.

In fact, Edinburgh were beaten, at Leinster, in their only away outing so far in the Magners Celtic League.

Pressed on whether he felt quitting Murrayfield in favour of a smaller, more atmospheric venue Moffat insisted, however, that the onus should be on Edinburgh to prove irresistible to the local rugby community. Also, he claimed that the relative lack of crowd backing had to be balanced with the excellent quality of the Murrayfield pitch. This is unlikely to impress the Dragons fan who rose from his seat last Friday to call for some noise to be generated, asking: "Where has Scottish [rugby] passion gone?"

Nevertheless, Moffat said: "Losing at home is hard to take because it is a lot harder to win away although I think we could be a team that does better on the road. Some sides play a lot better at home than they do away although having said that both our Murrayfield opponents so far, Ospreys and Dragons, didn't adopt the cagey approach many teams visiting here do."

Ospreys' adventure earned a 13-13 draw and Moffat added: "Edinburgh could do better than others on the road... if we perform better at home and win the crowds will improve. [However] with a new squad you have to look for consistency away from home as well."

Watsonians' ground at Myreside has proved Edinburgh's most popular alternative venue although it appears some fans would gladly return to the much maligned Meadowbank Stadium rather than continue to endure the ghostly Murrayfield outwith international days.

Defending the SRU's choice for Edinburgh Moffat said: "I have been at every other [Scottish] team and before coming here I might have thought playing at Murrayfield in front of a relatively small crowd would lack atmosphere.

"I don't think it does. Last year when we had over 6000 for the visit of Leinster [in the European Cup] I thought it was a good atmosphere. Also, we can't underestimate the surface as well because that is a real advantage."

Some critics would insist the quality of the pitch is secondary to generating success and would further argue benefits haven't been apparent so far but Moffat, pictured below, feels the two go hand-in-hand with Edinburgh requiring time to gel.

"You can look for smaller grounds and 10-15,000 capacities but you need a good playing surface and Murrayfield certainly is that. "It is up to coaches and the team to make people want to come and watch. Against Dragons we went out with the intention of playing a lot better than we did. "We want to play a brand of rugby that people will want to come and watch and the players will get excited playing. We didn't do that."

Not from Moffat either any knee-jerk reaction to the absence of internationalists recovering from their World Cup campaign.

Insisting they would return at the appropriate stage, that did not necessarily mean Edinburgh's next outing away to Connacht on Friday week.

Nor does he rule out a title challenge in spite of the first four games yielding a win and a draw.

"Last year Ospreys came from nowhere at the end of the season to win five or six on the trot and top the league," added Moffat.

"I look forward to the World Cup players returning although it is fair to say I'd have preferred a win over Dragons to ensure they came back with an emphasis on having to add to a successful side. However, the players already here are the ones that will have to drive a lot of our season with a Six Nations coming up.

"With that in mind all our players will have to be managed well. We can't just say they will necessarily play every game for us. One positive, though, is that some who are returning will be fresher from having regained fitness having missed a lot of last season."

EDINBURGH prospects Chris Kinloch and David Blair (Accies) as well as Jim Thompson and Chris Fusaro (Heriot's) are among those who today are in line to represent Scotland on the annual IRB international sevens circuit.

They are named in a 12-strong squad to compete under the banner of "Rugby Ecosse" at a tournament in Singapore from October 27-28.

Also selected are Scott Forrest, Colin White, Grant Anderson (Ayr), Calum Forrester (GHA), Stephen McColl (Dunfermline), Mike Adamson (Glasgow Warriors), Andy Dymock (Dundee HSFP), Ruaridh Jackson (Hawks).

The IRB circuit begins in Dubai at the end of November.



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  • Last Updated: 16 October 2007 12:23 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh rugby
 
1

IaininSelkirk,

EdinburghRightNow 16/10/2007 12:16:59

There's a decent pitch just down the road in Gala - already paid for by the SRU!

2

Peter 100,

16/10/2007 12:20:11

nothing to do with him being useless

3

Jim.,

16/10/2007 13:01:40

Is my memory serving me correctly? Was it not some of the smug city supporters who took great pleasure in sticking the boot into the Borders for their small crowds?
Where are all those smart ar**s now?

4

Paulc,

Fife 16/10/2007 13:17:59

There's an assumption here that there are 1000's of people wanting to watch Edinburgh, but just won't do so at Murryfield. Ooops, sorry "The Castle".

Or, the reality, is no matter where Edinburgh play, they have years of persuading a put apon rugby public that they are anything worth backing. And without winning games, how will they do that?

Last years Leinster's game may as well have been a decade ago.

5

GP,

16/10/2007 14:42:28

2 & 3 # correct.
number of supporters = win, my arse.
Play at gypsy brae if the artcile on show is good enough people will attend if not then they won't.
The SRU lost it all when they thought they could make a personal fortune out of the punters.
But in doing so they destroyed club and district rugby for what they thought was a higher plane of self travel and equity. It didn't work out and the punters have shown what they think.
Time for a complete change at the top and a revamp and rethink of how we can achieve some level of club district and international standing once again.

6

BigRon,

16/10/2007 15:15:33

All 3 crowds this season are significantly lower than the lowest crowd last season which I think was about 1900 for the Connacht game. I personally got put off by the way the SRU conducted themselves over the spat with Bob C. and the non appearance of Larkham. They might have won a few more games with him in the team and the backs would probably have learned more in a couple of training sessions with him than a whole season with the present coaching staff and the likes of Hadden.

7

AlistairH,

Glasgow 16/10/2007 17:55:03

#6

You don't think it has anything to do with the World Cup being on?

8

jdships,

Trinity 16/10/2007 18:28:27

Why write an article of this length on a "minority sport " - i.e " Edinburgh Professional Rugby " ?
I appreciate , Bill, you are doing your best to try and create some interest but we have heard this all before .
Spin , rhetoric , knee jerk call it what you like it is boring.
Look for something "newsful" to write about - it sells newspapers you know !!!!!!!!!

Excellent posts by 4 & 5 , by the way !!

9

Rugby rules,

16/10/2007 22:55:28

hmmm maybe everyone took there season tickets back when they heard Mr Larkham wasn't coming.

10

Royc,

17/10/2007 07:24:21

2,000 people in a 67,000-seater stadium? - it could only happen in Scotland. It is hardly a recipe for building a successful club. Look at the Newcastles and Sales of this world, who started small, in an appropriate stadium, worked hard at building the club and today can get 10,000 supporters to a match, all well within ten years of starting.

Contrast with Edinburgh. Ten years on, still no place to call home and Rob Moffat is putting a playing surface before building a club, which is totally back to front. He doesn't have much choice but to stick with the party line, which is compounded by Edinburgh's lack of playing facilities, the SRU's lack of cash and the Scottish Executive's lack of interest in sport unless it's football.

That said, Meggetland or Myreside would be far more appropriate for size and creating an intimate atmosphere. Of course there will be handicaps, not quite enough covered seating, not quite as good a playing surface, no President's lounge, but these are the kind of obstacles any new club has to work at and overcome. Doing nothing and staying at Murrayfield is not an option.

11

The wee one at the end,

Edinburgh 17/10/2007 09:20:30

Why not Myreside or Meggetland? They won't know until they try, and to be quite honest, spending a friday night at Murrayfield with the stadium something like 3% full is not going to attract anybody, let alone those who want to become involved in rugby, either the social or playing side. With either of the smaller grounds, you still have a decent enough pitch and the clubhouses are up to a decent standard.

12

JT,

edinburgh 17/10/2007 11:20:51

Myreside was ok for the freindly against Tonga, until the sun went down then it was bloody cold and that was August! Cant see people standing in the open when its raining, sleeting etc?? Meggetland would be better at least its got a nicer stand. Im a season ticket holder, one of the few that had stood buy the club, although I have yet to be convinced that the SRU have the best interests in the club. It also doesnt help having the games on a Friday night (due to tv coverage) but that cant be changed. I used to go and watch Bath play at the rec and regularly stood near the action. This was the same at Myreside where you could hear every tackle, grunt and groan. Even where I sit at Murryfield it still seems so far away from the action.

13

The Chiel,

17/10/2007 12:49:24

#10, don't disgree with you, but the Newcastle example stands a bit more examination. They actually moved to Gateshead to a bigger stadium at one point. They then moved back and did a bit of development of their own ground - as there was no atmosphere in the big Gahteshead stdium, and they had to pay out to a third party for it. Ironically the SRU would have to pay out to play games away from Murrayfield - so I doubt it will happen.

14

Macd123,

17/10/2007 13:35:43

it's a bit of a false economy, staying at Murrayfield because it's free, despite deterring paying spectators.


 

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