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Hearts fan chief urges caution over match boycott plans



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Published Date:
18 December 2007
SUPPORTERS' chief Derek Watson today urged Hearts fans to show caution over plans to boycott a home match in protest at Vladimir Romanov's running of the club.
Fed-up fans on the Jamboskickback website are trying to drum up enough support for the boycott when Gretna visit Tynecastle on February 9.
INFLUENCE: Vladimir Romanov
INFLUENCE: Vladimir Romanov

Their pent-up frustrations boiled over after the weekend's league defeat to Rangers and a number of Hearts fans feel it is time club owner Romanov stopped influencing team selection and substitutions.

While the majority of Jambos are keen for Romanov to remain involved with the club, they want him to allow the Hearts management team to be left in sole charge of who plays for the Tynecastle side and when, and they feel the only way to show their frustration is through some sort of boycott.

That could come in the shape of fans staying away from the Gretna game, however, while Watson, chairman of the Heart of Midlothian Supporters' Trust, shares their frustration over the way things have panned out this season, he doesn't believe voting with their feet is the answer to the club's problems.

Watson said: "I don't think that it is the time for knee-jerk reactions. I can understand people's frustrations because I feel the same way myself but I don't believe that boycotts are the way to go. Even at the height of the Save our Hearts campaign I didn't support them because I believe that all they serve to do is divide the fans."

Despite Watson's reservations though, the plans have been getting backing from a number of fans on the website, with one poster suggesting: "We want a manager to be given 100 per cent control of footballing operations. We want a protest against this random team selection, substitutions and tactical nonsense that are self-destructing Hearts.

"If we were all to choose not to go to one match to show our disapproval with this method of madness, then why not the Gretna match on February 9?

"If the attendance was so low it might just implant a seed of doubt into Vlad's mind that all is not well."

Meanwhile assistant boss Stephen Frail insisted there were some positives to be taken from the 2-1 reverse at Ibrox on Saturday and he praised the contribution of defensive partners Christophe Berra and Marius Zaliukas. He said: "I thought the two of them were immense. It was a difficult game for them but they handled it well and they didn't deserve to be on the losing side.

"Rangers, as you would expect at Ibrox, exerted plenty of pressure during the game but they handled it well."

And Frail admitted that Kestutis Ivaskevicius had done his chances of being named in the starting line-up against Inverness this weekend no harm after making an impression when he came off the bench to replace Saulius Mikoliunas at half time.

He added: "I thought Kestutis did well when he came on. He gave us something different, linked well down the right, and gave Rangers some real problems in the second half."



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  • Last Updated: 18 December 2007 12:31 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 18/12/2007 11:46:58
If Derek Watson does not believe voting with their feet is the answer to the club's problems, then what else does he suggest?

While supporting VR in his financial commitment it is time he realised that his constant interference is causing fans huge frustration and they are quickly losing tolerance.

We need a strong manager with a proven record of success, not a constant merry go round of VRs puppet managers
2

LyonHearts,

le teil 18/12/2007 12:04:37
I haven't been to Tynecastle for over 15 years, but if I was in Embra I'd certainly think twice about showing up to watch my beloved Jambos given their recent insipid performances.

1) It's not the players fault, they are rotated till the don't know if they're coming or going!

2)It's not Frails fault, he's not a top class manager or even a top class coach for that matter.

3) It's Romanov and only Romanov who has destryed all team spirit and has yet to explain what his real plan- if there is one of course - is for the club!

Something should be done, but I'm not sure what!
3

Lenny,

18/12/2007 12:16:22
I'm sure that after a couple of wins everything will be rosey again at Tynecastle. There were talks earlier in season about boycots but all was forgetton after a couple of wins. It was pointed out atthe time and I'm sure the same will follow again.

And this new Scotsman site is rubbish!
4

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 12:19:00
why do people think a boycott is the answer?
thats not going to do any good at all. romanov is still going to have an influence no matter what.
lets just accept thats the way it is now unles someone buys him out (never going to happen)

the last two games have been lost due to individual errors caused by players who should be dropped as they have proved a) they are not good enough to play in the spl or b) don't give a sh*t whether hearts win or lose.
in my opinion goncalves, zaulikas and kurskis should be freed for the total disrespect and do not have the mental ability to not make basic schoolboy mistakes.

but it is true that they will probably all play next game as the team selection has nothing to do with things like that. there is no way we will finish top 6 now and it seems like it really doesnt matter where we finish anymore. its just about the fact we exist now.
we have to thank vlad for that.

newcastle jambo will be proud of me. i had faith for so long but f*ck it. we are f*cked!!
5

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 12:26:10
I suspect some of the more negative posters here are right, and ultimately to get Vlad to listen you need to hit his pocket. But the frustrations have clearly hit boiling point now - and the fans need to do something, so I would support a protest of somesort and boycotting Gretna is as good a protest as any.
I don't read kickback so would question why teh Gretna match was chosen? Whats wrong with Inverness, or St Mirren? 6 weeks gives time for a couple of good results to paper over the cracks again.
As I say, I suspect Vlad will ignore the fans, but at least this would get it out in the open - surely event the most ardent Vlad fan would think twice if he didn't budge in the face of a decent sized protest action like this?
6

LyonHearts,

le teil 18/12/2007 12:26:38
#5 that's as maybe, but when Romanov first arrived we were promised CL football, the SPL title, world class players and a new stand!

How many of the above have actually appeared..? eeerrr, I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations we've got eeerrr let me just double check...right none of the above!

We are languishing in 8th place in the league and this must be our worst position in decades!

I was looking at a webpage with the old Hearts players I used to support as a lad - Drew Busby, Willie Gibson, Jim Brown, Bobby Prentice...etc They gave 100% every week and although they didn't win anything we were proud to cheer them on every week!

More of the same from the current crop of overpaid chavs might go a long way to pleasing Jambos everywhere!
7

victor ian,

18/12/2007 12:28:26
boycotts are probably not the answer. in fact there is a possibility that any form of protest could make things worse, they could enrage the self styled club president. as we all know, he despises criticism and perceived acts of disloyalty.

if change for the better happens, it will be on his terms, it will all be his idea, and you wont hear any admissions of failings in the past from him.

8

Lenny,

18/12/2007 12:30:12
# 8

Oh, I know thats what you were promised. My Jambo mates had a right good time back then. Us Hibee's were told that we were not even a challenge to Hearts any more as they had moved on to bigger things!?!?

I just think that a couple of wins (espec against Hibs) would make Hearts fans forget all about this and Vlad will be the Saviour again. It has happened before.
9

BigRon,

Signpost Corner 18/12/2007 12:36:03
I suspect that a bit of stability in team selection may return for a few weeks, results will pick up and the fans will quieten down until about the beginning of February when the next Vlad controversy will blow up.
10

Bilbo Baggins,

Underhill 18/12/2007 12:43:03
Hearts are a joke.
11

Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 18/12/2007 12:46:21
#1 - Agree. What solutions does he have? Some kind of community takeover would be good, like has happened in Europe. Funny how the best clubs in Europe are owned by the fans - Real Madrid, Barcelona and lots of the German clubs too.
12

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 12:53:07
#11

Think thats spot on. Everytime things do seem to settle down a bit and we think things are heading in the right direction - the tinkering and influence over team affairs jump up again.

Its very sad that it has come to a boycott situation as IMO the problems at eteh club could so so easily be sorted out but as we know its one individual that is running the club with an iron fist and causing all the problems.

ps

This new site is total Mick Hucknall
13

Mr Crisps,

Haddington 18/12/2007 12:53:16
#13 Thanks a lot for your comment. It really adds to the debate.
14

UrbanFox,

18/12/2007 12:54:15
So what ARE you going to do Derek Watson? I thought so, nothing.

Its only December but Hearts already have zippo chance of Europe. Romanov is not going to change his interfering unless you give him the motivation to change. Financial or ego, take your pick. But if Hearts fans cant summon up enough guts to do anything then the problem will be exactly the same next year.
15

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 12:59:51
#14 How about another one of those open letters he sent Vlad last year? That worked didn't it??
Seriously, that was 1 year ago - almost to the day, and nothing has changed since. The only way the fans are going to be heard is to escalate their activities until Vlad pays attention - a letter didn't work, so now some sort of genuine action.
16

Shopping anyone?,

18/12/2007 13:00:19
I gave up the season ticket during the summer and stopped using it after January due to the backbone of our Cup winning side being treated so shabbily and shipping out Hartley was the last straw. I wasn't even tempted during the summer as I knew we would not have Craig Gordon after the transfer window closed.

I'm on a permanent boycott already until this rotten regime are no more. The club has sold its soul and to what? I fear for their future - the League table doesn't lie.
17

jumpship,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 13:02:43
Its really simple .... If we don't do anything.. We will finish the season in the bottom 6 . Probably 9th 10th or 11th

Are we all happy with that.
18

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 13:07:53
Quote by Derek Watson "Knee jerk reaction" absolutelty laughable.
If Vlad is sincere in his words and is looking to the long term future of the club then its time we tested his metal.
My own view now is that a protest can not harm the club anymore than it is being harmed presently.
As i stated yesterday a protest in the media is my choice because in the past it has been proved that not only does Vlad read the press he also lets it get under his skin.
I also think the supporters have been patient enough waiting for Vlad to deliver and it appears now we are going backwards.
Do we not protest just because its Vlad.
As stated before,i feel i have put enough in,now i want something back.
WE NEED A MANAGER
19

jambali,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 13:08:50
I'll be there - it's what season tickets are for! Be there & support the players who ARE trying. Vlad's ego is big enough not to put up with failure for long, but he'll have to find his own way out of this. He won't be forced, we know he's stubborn. Anyone with half a brain knew we were going to have these issues when we have an unrestricted owner.
20

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 13:12:04
Given that Watson wants to avoid "knee-jerk" reactions. Here's a thought:
- go to the other members of the supporters trust
- ask them if they think a boycott is a good idea
- vote on it
- boycott the game
That's not knee jerk at all. He's got 6 weeks until the Gretna match, there's very little organisation needed to not turn up for something. If this man claims to represent Hearts fans, the very least he should do is ask them what they want.
21

East at Easter,

Edinurgh 18/12/2007 13:14:17
can i join the big boycott? I will not wear a Russian hat, i will act good and will try my best to look foolish when the cameras are rolling. I will also try not make my club look silly on national tv.
22

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 13:15:29
Charlie Mann says everything is fine.

Move away from the protest - nothing to see!
23

stevie d,

18/12/2007 13:16:10
Have you lot not been boycotting all season?

Last count there were 400,000 fans in the world, how come only 14,000-15,000 turn up?

Thought Vlad would have taken the hint by now....with such a low attendance!

GGTTH!
24

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 13:18:32
#24 "Vlad's ego is big enough not to put up with failure for long"
That's true, but do we really know that he considers a poorly performing football team "failure"? What if he considers the fact that his presence at Hearts has enabled him to open a bank and build a hotel in Edinburgh a success? Or that procuring a £20m debt for Ukio Bankas to service is a success?
There's so many ways you could split it. Ultimately he'll consider profit "success" and loss "failure".
25

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 13:19:40
I think we are all agreed this has gone on too long and too far, Saturdays embarrassment, in a game we could quite easily have won, Rangers were poor, is the last straw for me. More points thrown away by a player not good enough for the grade, the 2nd half performance, a marked improvement as No.16 was removed, why does he start.
Heres the irony though, Goncalves one of those who once looked good, probably he is, but now he plays every week making calamitous errors and isn't replaced.
There is no rhyme nor reasons, merely whims, its haphazard at best, and the sole reason why we lie a shudderingly bad 8th.
We are dropping steadily,now Caley will fancy their chances on Saturday, if someone held a gun to my head for a result on Saturday, I'd back Caley, I have no faith, therefore I can only agree there has to be some sort of protest made.
All those who want to sit and suffer in fear of Romanov, well thats up to you, but he is a bully and eventually if you want whats right you have to stand up to the bully and tell him your not scared.
26

The Jambo,

18/12/2007 13:20:11
I'm not a big businessman like Vlad. He really needs to watch what he does.
If by chance we go to Murrayfield when the alleged new stand is being built how many present season ticket holders will buy one for there.
I certainly will not.No need to.Big enough stadium.
I'll just pick what games I want to go to just like what Vlad does.
How things have changed. Be honest Hearts fans.
Do you look forward to games now. NO
Do you cringe when you hear the changed team each week, YES.
Do you look forward to the pub YES
You would not need to buy one, unless he makes some scheme to force us to.
That could make him sit up and possibly come over to discuss matters.
We obviously do not want to affect Hearts by staying away we all want them to move forward.
I find it hard to watch a team when we all know there could be a better players out on the pitch. They are either sitting on the bench or probably in their house wondering what they have done or have to do to keep playing for Hearts.
No manager in his right mind would take over at Hearts unless hes desperate and I am sure players will probably think twice about joining us now.
I still think we will sign rubbish players in January, hope not but would put my money on it being Crapididdys from Lithuania.
Maybe next year!!!!!!????????
27

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:21:56
When's the surge starting yams?
28

Chris E,

Airdrie 18/12/2007 13:23:02
Why not wait until the AGM and organise a protest.
29

busbyfh,

18/12/2007 13:32:41
There have been - and still are , many positives about Vladimr Romanov's involvement with our club.
One main thing is taking away these positives - His involvement in team matters.
If he could just understand that he is not and never will be immersed in football enough to have the knowledge in team selections and tactics , he would surely put his business hat on and ensure that by butting out - his business would flourish.
Who can get through his ego barrier long enough to make him understand he is not Alex Ferguson ?
Unfortunately there is no one.
I have never even contemplated a boycott in my life as a Hearts fan , but now I feel I am obliged to - Something has to be done to make Vlad realise - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
30

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 13:33:09
Heard on the radio that Barry Robson was a shock target for Hearts in January, no shock he's a target but a massive shock if he signs for Hearts. More talk to pacify the angry troops?
At least he's got the right disciplinary troubles to be a legitimate Hearts player.
31

Arnie,

Newington 18/12/2007 13:36:36
I thought that last time Vlad was in town he got a nice round of applause from the fans, I can't imagine that a boycott would work. A protest after a bad result maybe but organised boycott is not going to happen.
32

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 13:38:44
Why is a boycott being planned for a game in February.Whats wrong with Saturday.
We cannot protest when it suits, we must protest untill something is done.

WE NEED A MANAGER
33

Iain Bhern,

18/12/2007 13:39:39
It seems to me that a boycott would be futile and self defeating. The majority of those attending matches are season ticket holders so Vlad already has your money. A boycott is only going to affect the morale of the players and however much you like or dislike them, for the moment, they are all you've got. The time for a boycott is when next years season tickets go on sale. Don't buy them, pick and choose your games and pay on the gate. As soon as Vlad sees that his income stream has diminished he'll realise that things need to change. Whether they do or not is a different matter.
34

just a jambo,

18/12/2007 13:41:05
Never been a a boycott fan,but things are gettig bad now might be worth a try.
35

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:45:09
hearts have huge problems sort em out now!! or go down a division or two. lol
36

JamboJohnny,

18/12/2007 13:45:32
I think its time to show Vlad that we have had enough. He hides from us, makes the club a PLC so he doesnt have to tell us diddly-squat.

My patience has ran out, and I suspect thousands others has too.
37

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 13:46:20
Hook line and sinker you fell for the father and son combination, ROMANOV'S ( CHUCKLE BROTHERS )
38

Big Bouncy Betty ,

18/12/2007 13:53:15
I'm sure we have been here before about 100 times since Romanov joined the club. Here we go again!

The fact is Romanov tore apart the best Hearts team in years and forced out a great manger in Burley, he also sacked Phil Anderton and Foulkes all these guys were doing a great job for the club.

I for one will never forgive him for that. The man is a joke, 100% Embarresment to Hearts and football.

Unfortunately not all fans can see this for some reason.

The way the club is being run is a shambles, no football club should be run like this, so the question is why are there any Hearts fans who back this nonsense?

I dont know if there is any way we can get the message accross to be honest i think were doomed, with years of this to come. We should however try anything and everything to do something and if that means missing games so be it.
39

streetwise,

some where in my head 18/12/2007 13:57:33
No point protesting,the man saved the club.Okay he has promised a lot and failed to deliver on any promise yet,forget about a new manager,thats not going to happen,if Vlad is a winner he is going to have to proof it now,or look a complete fool,and if he is the latter who will do business with him or his bank,we put our faith in him,so stay on side,and lets hope he is true to his word.
40

Mixu 6-2,

18/12/2007 14:06:33
Nice to see the yams are being run correctly and well..
400.000 fans lining up every home game for a ticket (gold-dust)..
european champ's league football being played with flair.. and into last 16..
and yams battling it out at the top of the scottish premier league with the old-firm.. only goal difference
spitting the three teams..
yes yams us hibernian fans are pure jealous of you lot..
MERRY-XMAS XXXXXXX..
41

Chas Niceass,

18/12/2007 14:10:32
Just when becoming a Hearts fan was depressing #49 turns up and suddenly I feel better again.
42

UrbanFox,

18/12/2007 14:12:47
Some Hearts fans really just dont get it.

Romanov is HAPPY with the way things are. He has stated that recently. He is just using Hearts FC as a trading club to showcase players then sell them on.
43

GrahamL,

18/12/2007 14:14:17
#48 There’s an important distinction to be made between protesting against Vlad, and protesting against Vlad’s interference in team selection. As you say, he has done many good things for the club, but he needs to stop picking the team. While fans remain split on whether Vlad has, overall, been a good or bad thing for the club – you’re not going to find a single person who thinks that his involvement in picking the team is a positive. That’s what the protest needs to be about.

#49 PC Mixu! You’re back! Where have you been man? On a special undercover mission? We’ve missed you. I would update you on whats been happening, but as you post the same sh*t on every story regardless I won’t waste our time.
44

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 14:19:51
i dont believe in boycotts etc...i mean what else you going to do on saturday...christmas shopping...F*CK THAT!! i'd rather go and watch the game no matter how sh*te we are!!

but its sad. ive been a defender of vlad and he has done a lot of good for our club.

but if the players dont give a sh*t and throw or kick the ball into our own net then i cant be bothered either. its just sad and i never thought i would feel so disinterested and i actually dont care if we win or lose anymore.
45

Lenny,

18/12/2007 14:20:40
# 40

Hey chas, I think your spot on mate. Everytime things are going a wee bit sour at Tynecastle a nice news story is never far away. Sure it was the Stadium plans last time.

And I aint gloating, we things are going both Hibs and Hearts will be bottom 6!!!
46

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

18/12/2007 14:26:02
Mixu62 ate my hamster
47

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 14:29:12
The football side of things has been a shambles since Burley left.

If it wasn't for Ivanauskas/McGlynn steadying the ship, Vlad would have had nothing to show for his time at the club.

If he doesn't return to basics, there will be nothing else to show for however long he stays/lasts.
48

Jam Bow,

LA 18/12/2007 14:29:28
I gave up my season ticket at the end of last season and, believe me, I do not regret it in the least. I'm witnessing one baffling decision after another and now my anger is turning towards my fellow jambos. Why can't everyone see that this man is a liar, a megalomaniac, a mean-spirited tyrant and, above all, the worst kind of idiot you can get - one who thinks (and always will) that he knows better.
Earlier this year we were warned that we need to get in quick for season ticket renewals. After all, we already had over 13,000 season ticket holders with more than 6,000 on the waiting list. Hearts then advertised that they had another 500 or so available. Why did they need to advertise?
My own theory is that there were many more like me who had simply had enough and, if there hadn't been a waiting list, the numbers would have gone down significantly.
Yet, still, the absurdity continues and, still, the madman interferes with team selections, tactics, substitutions, transfers and anything else which feeds his lust for power. It is time for fellow jambos to realise that the only way to make this man recognise the folly of his ways is to abandon their season tickets.
No doubt, everything will quieten down around the season ticket renewal period and many will be taken in by the calm but, I'm eaqually sure, there will be many who are not taken in by him. Hopefully, with no waiting list this time, the cracks will not be papered over and, finally, the bampot-despot will begin to see that we mean business.
Have no doubt, a club the size of Hearts will never die. We may see a bit of upheaval, administration even, but we will not die. Far too many people are afraid to upset MadVlad but they are nothing more than appeasers and we all know what happens when we appease despots.
49

Northern Hibby.,

Hibs fan with no axe to grind. 18/12/2007 14:32:45
I am never much fond of boycotts mainly because despite the chairman/owners investment a club belongs to the fans really. Not turning up and denying the club revenue hurts the club twice. No support for the players or money in the till. But if a gesture needs to be made, then why not boycott an away game?

50

Mastermind.,

scratching my head at what,s wrong at tiny, ah eve 18/12/2007 14:35:44
Where do most of you hearts fans get the money to buy pc's, you can't be workers as the same six punter's are on hearts thread's from morning till noon!
surely the tax payer is not having to stump up bevvy money, pc' money, and dosh for grub!
saying that there are computers in the royal edin hospital,
how come the tiny fans are more interested in the hibby boards,
really find it sad, sad beyond myself,
the maroons are in deep brown stuff ok,
long may it last.
51

maroon74,

18/12/2007 14:37:30
I agree with #42. Why not boycott the game this sat? Leaving it for 6 weeks?? What use is that? We all know that if things get worse(if they can) he`ll pull another trust me trick from his Russian hat!!! I`m a season ticket holder and i would gladly miss the game this Sat! It needs to be done NOW on the back of whats happening now! And if any of us think he`s going to bring a manager in to call the shots... c`mon lads, the man is an egomaniac who is thriving on this attention and it`s only going to get worse i`m afraid!
52

Taras Shevchenko,

18/12/2007 14:38:11
The power of the internet should not be underestimated - good on the kickbackers that are pushing for some shot across Vlad's bows....

Since Hearts used to first play at the meadows - why don't we meet there and march from the meadows to Tynecastle before home games?

It will make a point outside the ground where the players will be less affected by it - maybe it will allow Vlad to keep his didgnity while still allowing him to give us what we want - his participation in picking the tema and the subs to stop!!

This sounds to me like a good first course of action, leading up to more agressive action like sit ins, chants, even boycotts and non-renewal of STs.

Victor could be right when he says that boycotts etc might make things worse; but, maybe things have to get worse before things get any better?

Players and coaches will not flourish under his current setup, so bring it on I say. We need to act in some way.
53

Taras Shevchenko,

18/12/2007 14:41:00
I don't think the Heart of Midlothian Supporters' Trust has any clout; but maybe it could be strengthened with high profile ex players/managers and businessmen joining forces? At least it could provide a starting point to build an organisation that everyone can unite behind?
54

i wanna be like John Colquhoun,

18/12/2007 14:41:11
#61 too true. well said and a great idea.

ive personally being doing this for awhile.

i agree that not turning up to watch a game when i know its on at tynie i just cant do it...its not right.
im just turning up now though for something to do with my saturday but ive stopped going to away games. its hard when i went to every one under burley and it was great taking that many away fans but i think that is the way to do it. ive slowly just stopped going at all.
55

Gerry M,

18/12/2007 14:44:31
the prospect of tens of thousands (or more if the game falls near when we win the league) of the greatest fans in the world gracing Murrayfield twice a season or more is a wonderful one though, you must admit.
56

Ayrshire Scot.™,

18/12/2007 14:45:22
I'd be careful before p*ssing off mad Vlad, all you jam tarts out there: you saw what happened to the Riccarton 3!
57

maroon74,

18/12/2007 14:47:27
#67 I don`t like the idea of not going to games either, especially when i`ve got a season ticket, but what else can we do? boycotting away games? Our travelling support is getting smaller and smaller by the week antway!
58

Andy Driver for Scotland,

Dundee 18/12/2007 14:49:02
There is no way I'm going to boycott, if Vlad thinks he can pick the team every week then there is no way I'll be backing him, I'll be in my seat in the gorgie road end come Saturday.

Bring back Elvis
59

Bhoyed,

18/12/2007 14:56:19
Can someone explain what the problem is with Hearts? Romanov came in when you were on your knees and stopped you going to Murrayfield, he has also spent a few bob on wages for players you would normally not be able to afford. He won you a cup for the first time in 7 years, he took you to the 2nd in the league and the CL qualifiers (although the less said about that the better!).
And now after after losing to Motherwell and Rangers (at Ibrox) you are all whinging!!
Do Hearts fans honestly think they should be winning every week?
Hearts are no different to Hibs, Aberdeen,Dundee Utd and this season Motherwell. By this I mean every now and then you will punch above your weight and occasionally win the battle for 3rd in the league.
You need to really calm down and know where you fit in Scottish football, as all this posturing and mouthing off from a club that has won 2 trophies in 50 years is getting a bit embarrassing!!
60

The Moth, Vladimir's Wallet.,

18/12/2007 14:56:59
For over a year the phanny's from west edinburgh have got on my goat about how big a team hearts are there huge support is second to none.
get it into your heads the teams sheeeeite the rest of scotland have made hearts the laugh and joke of all football teams,
run by a conman just look behind yourself's at the playing staff,
and most importantly the results.
61

Andy Driver for Scotland,

Moth's Wallet 18/12/2007 15:00:58
Give it a few weeks, we'll be back where we belong in 3rd place.

Hearts for the League...











....Cup
62

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 18/12/2007 15:01:09
We need a manager, We don't need another spokesman for Romanov advising against a boycott. We are Hearts, we are Hearts, we need a Manager with 100% control. If Romanov was a manager he would have been sacked by now. How can anyone pick a side if he doesn't even see them play. Now and then there is a glimmer of hope and that hope is whipped away from us. I wonder if the coaching trinity along with Romanov should be reported for having mental problems as nobody sane would run a team like that.
63

Tynie terror,

18/12/2007 15:06:40
What we'll find now is that there will be a reasonably settled squad for the next few games and once we've went 5-6 games unbeaten, the inexplicable changes will once again ruin our head of steam and we'll be back to square one.
This is exactly what's been happening since Burley was axed, and by the time the Gretna game comes around the latest fiasco will be forgotten about.... for a few games.
I've never voted for boycotting in the 30 years I've been following Hearts but I'm at a loss as to what to do for the best. And as for Mr Watson, don't tell us what we can and can't do, or what might be best for Hearts without volenteering a solution.
Voting with our feet would be a start, and it would show Vlad what we are capable of should this farcical situation continue.... he's an egomaniac and hates the thought of being disliked. WE NEED TO SHOW HIM WHAT WE THINK, because moaning about it on these threads and the like hasn't solved anything.
64

Gorgie's Finest,

18/12/2007 15:06:48
I agree with our Hibs friend in post 61. A boycot of home games only serves to hurt the club and demorolise the players even more (If they can be any more demorolised) I agree with everyone that action in some form has to be taken and as already suggested one course of action is to not renew season tickets but thats next year and far off by then at this rate we could be in an even worse position. Im only glad gretna are in the SPL this year as there our only saviour to stop a possible relegation battle. Action by whatever course needs to be NOW not in 6 weeks or at the end of the season
65

Tynie terror,

18/12/2007 15:06:59
oh yeah...

WE NEED A MANAGER!
66

Hibs fc,

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67

Lionheart Fodithman,

office 18/12/2007 15:16:56
WE NEED A MANAGER
68

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 15:22:52
#6 John Colquhoun - well done my friend!

It's amazing to see so many of the BELIEVE campaign finally taking some notice of what to some of us has been so obvious for around 2 years now. I can almost hear the sound of heads being reluctantly pulled out of the sand one by one!

I refused to renew my season ticket in 2006/07 despite the Cup win as I could see the way the club was being run and I just can't support it. The Riccarton 3 expressed what many of us felt but of course were shouted down by the majority as somehow being disloyal. In fact I believe it was their love of Hearts and respect for the fans that led to them speaking up - and ultimatley being forced out the club. They were too professional to tolerate the club being run in such a ridiculous manner that is totally disrepectful to the coaches, players and fans.

If Hearts goes back to being run as a bona fida football club where the team comes first and a MANAGER is allowed to do his job I will be back. Not before.
69

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 15:26:37
moth you seem more interested in me than your terrible team.
get a life.
70

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:27:09
One-game boycotts simply do not work in football. Man Utd fans protests anout being sold to americans did not work. Name one boycott that's worked?

A half-time exodus would be better, but tough to do if the good Hearts team happens to turn up that day. However, attendances will fall and Romanov will get the message (if he doesn't from the poor league positions which I find hard to believe) if the team continues like this, season ticket sales will decline and merchandise sales will also fall.

Save Our Hearts did not work - the ground still would have been sold had Romanov not come along. And now we are not protesting, IMO, against the future of the club, as I think Romanov's in it for the long haul, but against specific tactics. That's a different thing and much harder to do. It's not about telling Romanov to get out, which is an easy protest, it's about giving him a very specific message, which is much harder.

Something more imaginative like Liverpool fans' recent protest would work better:

http://eplleague.blogspot.com/2007/01/liverpool-fans-protest-during-fa-cup.html


71

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72

Paladoon,

18/12/2007 15:30:17
My own guess is that there will be no boycott and no change in what happens at hearts. There will probably continue to be grumblings of complaint and threats of action but in the end, nothing significant will happen. A few hundred might protest but they will be shouted down by those terrified about what will happen if the only player in town leaves. A few will not buy their season tickets, but hearts will come up with some marketing ploy that has people worried that they cannot see hearts if they intend being walk-up fans, so a lot will continue to buy.
Football fans are optimists, they think every year "this is the year" or that a new player is the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Hearts fans are no different; they will all hope that things will be better tomorrow so they will continue to support their team. I suspect their biggest problem in getting mobilised though, is that a lot of them now seem to have their tolerance threshholds set pretty high after some of the previous shenanigans at hearts and so they just sigh and put up with it.
73

Hibs fc,

7-0 it was a game to cherish. so was the 6 - 2 th 18/12/2007 15:31:13
I dont beat about the bush, I'd love to see hearts fall, why because of the brain-dead fans that enlighten the forum, you deserve all that comes your way.......
74

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:34:43
#91 As opposed to, what, your supreme intelligence and wit?

If you really are a football fan, you'd actually praise Hearts fans. They have done what fans are supposed to do - continue supporting the team on the park, in the main, wihtout fail and in the face of problems no other fans in Scotland have ever encountered. Compare that to Hibees starting to turn on John Collins after half a season and tell me who the true football fans are...
75

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 15:35:54
The good thing is that finally there is agreement that the club is going in the wrong direction under Romanov. We now need the whole Hearts family - former greats, fans representatives etc to work together to force the tyrant out of our beloved club. It's not going to be easy but it's a worth a fight isn't it?
76

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 15:42:24
#94

bet you are the type that finished every post with BELIEVE a year ago. Probably bought the tee shirt and now wear it under your lammies so noone can see it.
Putting WE NEED A MANAGER at the end of every post is very 'insightful comment and reasoned debate' and 'a bit of sharp humour in with your well thought-out points' - NOT!
77

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 15:44:15
lammies - meant jammies (before I get jumped on)
78

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:47:43
#93 That's not the solution. Without Romanov there may well be no "beloved club" so if you're happy with some version of Hearts FC starting again in non-league and working up, which I wouldn't be totally unhappy with, then fine. However, a far better first step is to get clear messages across, eg get the team sorted out on the park which is what football is all about, and find a compromise in the short term. Rome wasn't built in a day and if Romanov is serious about a long-term plan, which off the field he seems to be, then we can't try to get him out. We should be able to get the message across that his long-term ambitions are good but we have a good squad of players who could easily finish further up the league if allowed to.

Bednar's success at West Brom is the best indication yet of what is wrong on the playing side. They gave him time to get fit, played him in the reserves and got him into the team slowly - at Hearts no player is allowed to develop within the team and get match fit. What incentive is there for players at Hearts to get fit if no matter how hard they work, the team is not picked on merit.
79

Another voice,

18/12/2007 15:48:31
There are many ways to hit vlad, the key is to be organised and do it all at once.

Example: Opening of UBIG bank. Open a bank account, lodge the initial £1 or whatever. Then every day send in the post (recorded if you want) 2p to the bank manager to deposit into your bank account. Because it is a cash deposit through the post the financial regulators make the recipient fill out a ton of paper work.

Example: mad vlad and his kilt, get him to the final, the vote en-mass for his opponent. Think he maybe a bit red faced after that.

The hearts support encompases people from every walk of life from parking attendants to company CEO's to shop workers to IT developers. Id each person could use their skill to disrup vlads operations slightly then he would notice.
80

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:50:53
#97 Hearts fans have realised the situation since Burley's sacking, so you're not making sense. No-one expected that and no-one really expected the situation could continue. Just because fans continue to go along to games doesn't mean they're happy with certain ways the club is run. Look at the Scotland national team as another example - we're usually rubbish, win nothing, are run by the muppets of the SFA yet have a massive travelling support. We like our football here and its a hard habit to break.
81

Lenny,

18/12/2007 15:51:50
Serious question to the Hearts fans. Dont you think that you should tread carefully when planning boycots or protests etc? Cause the bottom line is that Romanov has Hearts by the short n curlies and who knows what he could be capable of if he gets too p*ssed off.

82

Jim Baxter,

Alicante 18/12/2007 15:55:59
Its time the fans got a meeting with Romanov and put over their points of view regarding the way Hearts are run.He should be left in NO doubt that Season tickets will not be bought unless certain matters are sorted out by him. New Manager with complete control of team selection, players to be sold off and new players brought in.The worst thing to happen to Hearts was one man put in total control of all matters concerning the Club.Nobody carries the power to go against him.Romanov might have saved the Hearts a few years back but what he is doing now is making Hearts the laughing stock of the SPL and the fans of the other clubs are enjoying every bit of it.
83

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 15:56:28
#102 That's what this whole discussion and article is about, or would be if the more inbred section of the Hibs support didn't keep sticking their oar in.
84

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:03:59
#103I'm not sure if we are the laughing stock. Celtic's defeat to caley was infinitely worse than any Hearts result this season, as was Rangers complete capitulation against Lyon - considering the Old Firm's massive relative resources.

At the end of the day Rangers needed a last minute own goal from nowhere to win against us at Ibrox, with Hearts playing well enough in the second half to just about deserve a point and could even have sneaked a win. And that was without our two best, most influential playes this season - Stewart and Kingston, not to mention all the other changes. If you're going to have a go at a team - have a go at Rangers. That's why Hearts fans are so frustrated - the OF are there for the taking if only we could get a consistent team.

This team is probably what a decent manager would pick without being able to sign new players:

Banks
Neilson Berra Tall Goncalves/Wallace
Kingston Stewart Johnsson Driver
Bednar Pinilla/Velicka

It's more than capable of doing well in this leage.
85

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 18/12/2007 16:06:19
SO I was right , you do have a BELIEVE tee shirt under your jammies.

I do however agree you need a manager of some pedigree and may need to take some drastic steps to shake your owner up and make him understand the distress he is causing as I'm sure he doesn't really understand the feeling Scots have to their clubs.
Maybe a boycott but with 13k + seasons, financially it won't hit him. Better boycotting next years seasons as previously posted.
86

Des' Dad,

18/12/2007 16:09:19
#102
It's way past that now. I for one don't care one jot what Romanov does if there is a protest movement. He needs to be shown that the Fans are no longer prepared to see their team being ridiculed and vilified and if he is not prepared to change then we will gladly accept the consequences even if that means starting afresh in the bottom division.
87

Hibs fc,

18/12/2007 16:09:53
106 that's no how ye spell leeg,
88

sweet f a,

18/12/2007 16:11:31
#109 - see #104
89

Newcastle Jambo,

18/12/2007 16:21:46
sweet fa - you make some very good points.

I just get so frustrated with football fans. I said here ages ago that I was sorry to see Bednar go as I thought he was our best striker and it seemed mad. Just as sending Beslija and Pinilla (last season) away on loans just when they were starting to perform made no sense. Lots of people came on here with the usual - "Bednar is over-rated, glad to see the back of him" etc. Now that he's looking like a top striker in the Championship they are all praising him. Why can't people be honest with themselves? The answer is that football is their religion and they are blinded by loyalty - Hearts player good, ex-Hearts player bad.

Several people have been here in recent weeks saying that they honestly believe that the current squad is as good as two years ago. Who are they kidding? I'll answer my own question again - themselves but not me.