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Greenbelt for go in Capital quest for new rugby ground



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Published Date: 29 July 2008
EDINBURGH RUGBY have stepped up the quest to find a purpose-built stadium for the team on the outskirts of the Capital.
Senior oval ball officials have been closely examining sites in the west of the city around Hermiston Gait that might prove suitable for a ground with a crowd capacity of approximately 10,000.

Should an area of land be identified, and planning per
missions obtained for a move that would mean breaching greenbelt, Edinburgh would eventually be able to play their home fixtures in the Magners Celtic League and Heineken European Cup away from the cavernous Murrayfield Stadium.

Murrayfield has a capacity of 67,800 and its size is regarded as counter-productive for a team whose average home league attendance in 2007-08 was 2682.

Edinburgh chairman Gavin Hastings denied involvement at this stage in finding an alternative location but admitted: "It is probably fair to say there are one or two Edinburgh people looking at the options.

"I don't think there is any doubt that is a current agenda item. I know it would be lovely to think that by the end of the coming season we might know at some stage where might go in the medium to long term.

"If there is an option that comes to my attention we will go down that avenue."

A source said: "Edinburgh and, more relevantly, their Scottish Rugby owners are looking at land near Hermiston Gait close to where there was once a proposal for Heart of Midlothian to re-locate to."

Hearts' alternative stadium plans in that area were abandoned in the early 1990s after the then Lothian Region knocked back planning consent.

Bearing in mind the change in the city's political administration it is looking increasingly likely that the idea of a stadium on the west side of Edinburgh will be revisited provided city fathers are of a mind to consider ancillary enterprises guaranteed to maximise revenues from the stadium site. So far as Scottish rugby is concerned the past year has seen increased optimism regarding the future of the professional game and their own finances.

Sponsorships are occurring regularly topped by businessman Sir David Murray paying £2.7million to put his company name on the Scotland team shirts in a three-year deal. Debts have dropped to around £17m and, besides being able to look forward to six home fixtures in 2008-09, bosses have been successful in attracting a number of attractive sporting events to further boost income. Murrayfield has just hosted the Hibs versus Barcelona football match and the first part of 2009 will see a weekend of top-class rugby league to be followed by the Heineken European Cup Final.

With the rugby league "May Mayhem" festival alone reckoned to be generating £4.2m for the Edinburgh economy rugby bosses could be more bullish in their attempts to break planning deadlock.

Hastings has long recognised that, with league attendances peaking last season at 6225 against Glasgow, there is an urgent need to obtain a more atmospheric home ground which, in itself, would encourage more fans to support a team who are fresh from achieving their highest ever finish in domestic competition – fourth.

The former international full back and captain has even gone so far as to prioritise a new ground and, on May 9, he told the Evening News: "The big challenge is to get a dedicated stadium for the team, which would be fantastic, though it isn't going to happen straightaway."

While stopping short of proposing a new ground on that occasion, Hastings has used his chairmanship to travel widely.

Referring to how Leinster are using temporary facilities at Dublin Showground with considerable success while Lansdowne Road is re-developed, Hastings said: "I was in Dublin .. and looking around the Showground with over 18,000 supporters, and three temporary stands, I thought 'we can do this'.

"The guys at Leinster were telling me that only about eight or nine years ago they had 600 watching them play Ulster.

"The two things stopping us are having a good, atmospheric ground and, through sustainable growth, building up a team that is successful. Playing at Murrayfield in front of 2000 is just not sustainable – it just does not stack up," he went on.

"Put aside whatever deal Edinburgh have with the SRU for the stadium, who thinks 2000 people for each home game can sustain a professional club?

"Nothing would give me greater pleasure, if I'm to be involved for a long time, than to see our 2000 loyal supporters moving into a permanent home for Edinburgh, with substantially bigger crowds on a regular basis and world-class players in the team."





The full article contains 788 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 29 July 2008 11:19 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Bigwull,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 12:26:19
No they wouldn't let a football ground be built there so why should they let the egg chasers, there's plenty of room for a smaller stadium at Murrayfield on the back pitches, I believe Murray owns the ground this stadium is to be built on, I stand to be corrected
2

jbascotinengland,

29/07/2008 13:14:04
#1 - Surely if planning was denied nearly 2 decades ago you can't put down a change simply to a rugby bias over football?

Also, I thought that the back pitches were owned by the SRU but are part of a flood plain and not allowed to be built on, although I could also be wrong.

On a different note, if the article says that the RL weekend is going to bring in £4.2m to the Edinburgh economy, have the SRU managed to get out of the £1m rates that people were saying they paid in the past? Perhaps Edinburgh council could be a bit more supportive given the amount of money rugby brings in to Edinburgh!
3

Toast,

29/07/2008 14:03:18
Will they share with hearts when Mad Vlad leaves them bankrupt.
4

J.A.,

29/07/2008 14:25:33
Can’t say I don’t sympathise with Edinburgh, having to play in an almost empty Murrayfield Stadium. However, this an Edinburgh problem and they simply don’t know how lucky they are having a pro team. Surely, it is not beyond them to work it out without having a new stadium built
If the SRU are considering plunging even more money into jacking up cetral belt rugby, it is a disgrace.
5

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 15:09:30
JA - I take it you are from the Borders? In the last year Edinburgh have shown that they are interested in growing the game - crowds up, building bridges with clubs etc etc. The Borders failed to get a decent crowd on their last ever game - less than used to watch Hawick v Gala in teh heyday. Perhaps the help they are getting from the SRU is levereging influence with the land owner, David Murray?
6

nhl,

just a little something so that you might think ag 29/07/2008 16:00:44
JonnyS
The Borders were interested in growing the game. Just the SRU stopped there support of the team long before the supporters faded away.

areas where the SRU showed no interest in the club

Season tickets on sale for the borders after the season has commenced.

Merchadise ie supporter shirts kit organised by SRU arrive February. Season over in May. Christmas sales opportunity wasted.

Local marketing initiative Border Bandits scrapped by SRU.

SRU groundskeeping poor hence removal of Heineken cup fixture to Murrayfield.

7

J.A.,

29/07/2008 16:04:12
“In the last year they have shown that they are interested in growing the game.”
And its taken them over ten years of UNBROKEN support from the SRU to get to this stage. Average crowd of 2682, heven’t they done well!!
As I said, I sympathise with those who brave it out in the hollow Murrayfield, but surely, even the most narrow minded of Edinburgh supporters must realise that they and Glasgow are receiving far too much of the SRU’s meagre resources.

8

Caledonian Son,

29/07/2008 16:30:08
This Edinburgh/Glasgow bias is nothing new, I used to be a regular supporter of Caley Reds. People used to come from miles around to McDiarmid Park in Perth where a real club atmosphere was building in a smart appropriately sized stadium.

I admit to not knowing the figures but I'd be surprised if the average attendance was not in excess of Edinburgh's boastful 2682.
9

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:59:41
The Edinburgh crowds are pulled down by low start of season antipathy towars SRU and clashes with RWC. Over the latter half of the year the numbers were much more encouraging and broke 6k for Glasgow and ~5k for heineken Cup. Caledonian Red and Borders never approached that.

For your info, Edinburgh had same season ticket and kit situation... what I am saying is that for the first time in 10 years teh SRU is allowing a level of autonomous activity from both edinburgh and Glasgow and that is bearing fruit. In the next week or so Edinburgh will announce a self generated shirt sponsor (as they have done with kit), these are examples of moves to self funding.
10

J.A.,

29/07/2008 17:44:15
It appears to be OK for you to find excuses for poor crowds at Edinburgh. I should not have to repeat myself, it has “ taken them over ten years of UNBROKEN support from the SRU to get to this stage”. How can anyone with that level of support start to understand how difficult it is to muster support in say the Borders when they have been amalgamated, disbanded, resurrected and then disbanded.
To think that the SRU would even consider pumping more money into Edinburgh is disgraceful. My advice is, find an existing ground add temp stands and work from there.
11

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29/07/2008 17:50:47
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12

J.A.,

29/07/2008 19:05:38
#9
I can’t speak for the Cali Red but if you were to check out the facts you will find that the Borders did have crowds which were in the region of 6k. That was of course before the SRU singled them and the Reds out for extinction.
13

jdships,

29/07/2008 21:13:51
Would Hermiston Gait be the ideal place to build this stadium ?
Surely somewhere near the City bypass would be better - Straiton perhaps ?
Would be more central for travelling
Should also imagine if "Gav" is involved he must be looking to make some money out of it !!!!!!!!!
14

Dave Daydream,

30/07/2008 08:05:18
When did the Borders get 6000+ gates?!!!

Even when the save the Borders campaign was going the crowds, apart from one game didn't improve to much.

This team was in the 'heartland' of rugby in Scotland yet could hardly get anybody to come and watch - people say the games weren't marketed properly but if your from the 'heartland' of Scottish rugby you should know when games are going to be played.

I am a big fan of rugby and hope for the greater good of the game that one day we have 4 pro teams back. But as my name suggest maybe that is a bit of a dream!!!
15

J.A.,

30/07/2008 09:07:36
#14
Back when they were first started, before they were amalgamated.
As for the rest of your post, your much simplified analysis of the situation suggests you clearly don't have a clue. Pound for pound, Borders were by far the SRU's best value when it came to their pro teams.
Far better funding a third pro team than pumping more SRU money into a stadium for Edinburgh.
16

Dave Daydream,

30/07/2008 11:11:28
When they were first started - when they went 10 games without winning!!!

To be fair the crowds they had at those games were good apart from the Netherdale game - Mansfield Park and Poynder Park had good crowds and great atmosphere but Netherdale although not a bad crowd atmosphere was poor - maybe Borders should have played at a different venue and this might have brought bigger crowds in?!

As for my analysis being simplified and me not having a clue - the comment about the Borders being the Heartland of scottish comes from people in the Borders and if you were so into rugby why didn't you support the pro team in the Borders?!!
17

J.A.,

30/07/2008 13:19:47
#16
"When they were first started - when they went 10 games without winning!!!"
My point is quite clear. Both Edinburgh and Glasgow have received the lions share of SRU funding and have barely managed to set the heather on fire with their performances and crowd sizes. To have the blind arrogance to slag of the Borders for their low crowds and poor results is pathetic.
Now, Edinburgh wants a stadium and we have to pay for it!! Dream on!!!!!!
18

AlastairS,

30/07/2008 13:23:03
We can all continue moaning and being negative or we could try being positive for a change. Like it or not Glasgow and Edinburgh have to be successful before there will be professional rugby either in the Borders or north of Stirling. So instead of complaining we should be trying to make the 2 present pro teams as successful as possible and then looking for the spin off. That is assuming people actually want rugby in the Borders and the North as opposed to merely wanting to moan about there not being rugby there.
19

Dave Daydream,

30/07/2008 13:58:30
Its not blind arrogance - you say you are the heartland of Scottish rugby then where are the supporters to prove it - even when it was more of a level playing field re funding you still didn't get people from the Borders totally buying into the pro game
20

J.A.,

30/07/2008 17:40:20
#18
Rugby in Edinburgh and Glasgow can be successful if they put their minds to it. God knows they’ve both had ample opportunity. Don't you think they should do a little more than just moan about playing at Murrayfield and get out there and find a suitable ground, add temp stands ect ect.
"That is assuming people actually want rugby in the Borders". Some would have you believe that rugby is dead outside the central belt. I think you will find there is plenty of rugby down here and in the North.
#19 When was it last a level playing field?
It's you that keeps on harping on about the Borders being the "heartland".
21

AlastairS,

30/07/2008 19:03:59
20# Then lets hope they do put their minds to it and are very successful this year. I would love to see 4 pro teams in Scotland. That is dependent on Glasgow and Edinburgh having a good year which may lead to TV coverage etc. That would get the ball rolling. If the revenue can be increased and the SRU debt reduced then maybe they could afford further pro teams. I am happy to go to Murrayfield to see Edinburgh. The atmosphere may not be great but the playing surface and the lighting are.
22

Dave Daydream,

31/07/2008 07:40:10
I think as rugby supporters we have a responsibilty to turn up and watch the games if we want to have any chance of 4 pro teams - if the fans talk with their feet and come back that would be a great start

I watched both pro teams last year and both teams played some good rugby and had some good resluts particularly at home
23

J.A.,

31/07/2008 08:53:56
#21-22
I agree, we need 4 pro teams to have any chance of competing in the top ten of world rugby. Most emerging rugby nations are making ground on us every year and the sooner we wise up to this the better.
Throwing money into a new stadium will not help.
24

royco,

01/08/2008 00:58:27
The mid-term aim has to be a third pro team, in Caledonia most probably. But to get there, we have to first get the existing two working to an optimum level in terms of attracting support and finance. Neither are doing so at the moment, largely because (a) their marketing is chronically underfunded, (b) it is aimed at a small fraction of the population and (c) Murrayfield is a non-starter as a club stadium in terms of atmosphere and size. Imagine weighing up whether to go into a restaurant with 67 tables, two of which are occupied! Hardly a business proposition.

So no problem with Embra questing for a more suitable stadium. As at Newcastle and Sale, the stadium is the core of the marketing package. Get that right and a lot else will follow. Emnbra should really float a company to do that, there's a lot of people who'd invest a few quid in a purpose-built stadium - and a big market of potential users if it's in the right place.
25

J.A.,

01/08/2008 15:20:04
#24
Yes, the aim should be to get a third pro team and nothing should get in the way of that. We desperately need other outlets for our young academy players.
I am all in favour of Edinburgh getting a suitable ground which will develop an atmosphere. Don't forget, Kingston Park started with temp stands and developed into what they have now.
26

Mcsense,

Embra 03/08/2008 15:09:31
Heres an idea for all the whinning round ball jessies, Hibs & Hearts merge, vacate one stadium and lease the other to Edinburgh.
More income for the combined club, new home for Edinburgh and no need for the greenbelt to be breached! Sorted?
No? didn't think so

 

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