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Frail admits time running out in Hearts' bid to make top six



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Published Date: 20 February 2008
HEARTS interim boss Stephen Frail has warned his players that time is running out in their bid to reach the SPL's top six.
The Jambos currently occupy ninth spot in the table and are five points behind sixth-placed Falkirk, having played the same number of matches as the Bairns.

With only seven matches remaining before the league split, the Tynecastle side can afford few slip-ups if they are to avoid playing out their final games of the campaign in the bottom half of the table.

A run of three wins from their last four SPL outings has given Hearts renewed hope that they can secure a top-six berth, although the coming weeks will be key with a tough trip to Motherwell this weekend followed hard on the heels by a visit from league leaders Rangers.

And Frail acknowledged the need to get back to winning ways in these matches after a 3-0 defeat to Celtic last Saturday.

"We have got some big games coming up over the next few weeks and this is when we really need to get some wins under our belts," said Frail, who has helped to turn the club's fortunes around since being given sole control of team affairs.

"It's the business end of the season now and we know what we have to do if we want to finish as high up the table as we possibly can.

"Games are running out for us before the league splits. We've got seven matches left and, while I'm not going to say they are must-win games, we do need to win as many of them as we possibly can and we will be doing everything that we can to make sure that we do that."

Saturday's opponents Motherwell sit 11 points ahead of the Jambos with a game in hand and victory for the Fir Park side would effectively end Hearts' chances of catching Mark McGhee's men.

A win for Hearts, however, would give them an outside chance of reeling in the Lanarkshire side and Frail hasn't given up hope of overhauling them.

"We know how good a team Motherwell are and we know that they are one of the teams we are chasing," he said.

"If we go there and get the victory then it obviously helps us close the gap. There's still not a lot in it. Obviously people always look at the league positions but in terms of points it's really still quite close. We showed in the three games prior to the Celtic match what we are capable of and I think at Parkhead we still managed to play some good football.

"If we keep playing away and keep fighting for one another then we will win more games than we will lose and hopefully make it a better end to the season than maybe a lot of people thought it would be."






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  • Last Updated: 20 February 2008 1:42 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:01:25
i hope hearts beat motherwell at the weekend, as long as we beat inverness caley it would be a great result
2

GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:01:26
"There's still not a lot in it." 11 points clear, game in hand, 12 games left in the season?
You know what Steve, that is quite a lot. There's about the same difference between us and Gretna right now...
3

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:01:39
What makes Frail believe we can go on a run now when we have failed to show any kind of consistency up to now??

What's going to change?

I'm not that fussed about a top 6 place and don;t see why it should be so significant. Europe should be our aim but that is so far out of reach it's not going to happen.

If we finish bottom 6 but show signs of progress, hopefully seeing a couple of youngsters being given a chance, then i'll accept that (for now)
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20/02/2008 12:02:49
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:03:08
In fact. 3 games in hand. FFS!
6

J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 12:03:09
I think the club should appoint the new manager (if one is to be appointed) at the split, give him time to evaluate the squad and take action as he (not Vlad) sees fit.

The season has come and gone for us better to hit the ground running in August.
7

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 20/02/2008 12:04:34
If Gretna go bust and their points are expunged, we are actually fifth already.
Not saying it will happen, just stirring the pot........
8

Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 12:06:32
"Games are running out for us before the league splits. We've got seven matches left and, while I'm not going to say they are must-win games, we do need to win as many of them as we possibly can and we will be doing everything that we can to make sure that we do that."

I think EVERYGAME is a must win game!!!! As a supporter I may be wrong but thats why I pay my money!!
9

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:08:30
#9 no no no...you don;t get it

When we lose it is just a 'blip' but the game at Fir Park is 'must win'

Unless we lose, in which case it was a 'good performance' with 'signs of promise'.

Then Rangers at home becomes a 'must win'.

Get with the programme, Dickie!
10

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

20/02/2008 12:12:17
"We need to win the next 4 games"

Nope, we tried saying that.

"fans have a right to say what they want, they pay their money"

That was the line until he was put in charge. He then has a pop at fans who are not happy with Elliot.

Every day he trots out pish.

MEMO TO EEN (again)

Can you contact the club and ask what stage the next appointment of manager is at? (if there is one)

11

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:14:24
When I hear Frail saying stuff like this, it just sounds to me like Charlie Brown's teacher.
12

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20/02/2008 12:14:57
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:18:44
Can I add to #11's memo - can someone at the EEN also find out the position with SFs coaching badges? Surely he's past the grace period now?
I know its hard work for them copying and pasting stories from the Hearts website, and that can take them all day, thus holding back their investigative talents. So here's a story for tomorrow:


MICHAEL STEWART MIGHT PLAY
Michael Stewart is winning his fitness battle for the Motherwell game. This game, described as a "must win" by Steven Frail is to be played on Sunday night, on Mars. If Hearts draw this game they will close the game on Motherwell to -23 points.
In other news, the Hearts-Rangers reserve match was called off by Rangers, who fear a gubbing at Tynie if both Tall and Screpis were to be match fit.

Right, off you go and do some real journalism now.
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Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 20/02/2008 12:19:32
Pre match interview with Stevie Fail

Reporter: So Stevie what about Saturday's game
Stevie: Got to look for all 3 points, but em if the boys play to their best we can do it. but em We beat them already this season. but em Top six still our goal.

Post match interview

Reporter:: Well Stevie not a good result.
Stevie: But em we have to take some positives from the game. We missed alot of good chances.

Reporter: You say that every week Stevie and nothing changes, and if Veli doesn't score the team doesn't. Don't you think you need at least one more striker.
Stevie: Em na em. We got the French guy Christian N and and we got Calum.
Reporter: The fans think Calum is rubbish can't you see that .
Stevie: na he is a good boy and em we have yet to see best in him. He needs confidence em.
Reporter: Well fans think he is mince
Stevie: Well what do they know. Em they think the 2 full backs are mince too.
Reporter: Yes I wonder why Stevie, Don't you think team needs strengthening.
Stevie: Naa em, other sides need weakening.
Reporter: Thank you Stevie
Stevie: em yer welcome.






15

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:21:58
11

memo to all concerned hearts supporters, push for an egm to raise your concerns surely would be better than asking the two "journalists" from press gang that wrote this article. Slow news day- answer phone stevie frail who will keep us all amused with his charlie nicholas style interviews
16

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:22:14
You know a team is in trouble when their own fans are freely taking the p***.
17

jammin 2,

Gorgie 20/02/2008 12:23:06
I cant believe what i read in this paper sometimes .unfortunatly steve frail has under achieved as much as all the players this season through no fault of his own though just inexperience .He said motherwell are a good team ??? i say no. Mr Mcgee is a more experienced coach.ps i think vlad could be the new owner of Gretna he could of load more of the dross hes been throwing at hearts.
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The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:24:06
#16 Memo to Dublin Dot Hibs: shush

Actually, an egm would serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever as it assumes that the owner will listen.

A journalist has access to the players and staff and should be asking some hard questions. Sometimes a "no comment" speaks volumes.
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20/02/2008 12:26:44
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Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 12:28:05
#19

The owner doesnt listen as he doesnt even go!! Too busy buying submarines so sends his son instead!

21

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:28:29
19

Indy rep kid, please do not hush me, i was only trying to help with my suggestion, i thought it might be a good idea, you sound just like my boss, and also remind me very much of my evil aunty who used to lock me under the stairs.

Life is not fair
22

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

20/02/2008 12:28:33
#16 Why would the shareholders ask for an EGM?

Are there enough shareholders left at Hearts anyway to vote for an EGM?

What exactly would an EGM accomplish? I'd guess exactly the same as Hibs fans asking the board to raise the wage cap.

Both Edinburgh teams are rubbish and that's down to the boards at each club.
23

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:29:29
20

that oes for you too viccy cyber bully, i am so hurt and ashamed of myself
24

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

20/02/2008 12:30:46
I think an EGM has to be announced by the 29th Feb? Think I read that on Kickback yesterday.

signed

the keeper of the keys for under the stairs.
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20/02/2008 12:32:15
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Another voice,

20/02/2008 12:32:55
Of course time is running out to get a top six place, tomorrow it will be a day less, and friday it will be another day less- shock horror!

I maybe wrong but isn't every game must win?

The only realistic (but very remote) chance of europe next season is the OF both taking part in the cup final and hearts getting fourth spot. That would require taking something from each of the next four games and quite probably taking 7 points from the following 3 games.

Even then the post split fixture list would need to be very kind to the club.
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20/02/2008 12:32:58
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The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:33:03
Dublin Dot Cotton Hibs....sorry

I see Benji's injured - let's hope it's not serious.
29

TheMoth,

Petrie's Wallet 20/02/2008 12:35:52
We have spent to many games this season persisting with rubbish like ivaskevicius, kurskis and elliot while allowing genuine talent to not play for half to three quarters of the season or in Roman's case be loaned out with a veiw to getting rid...That is why we are where we are and is why it is too late to do anything this season...Should be a discount in prices next season to make up for being cheated so badly this season. All our impact players have been unavailable for most of the season frustratingly, often for things like vlad flu! there have ofcourse been other reasons for absence like Mikey's poor dicipline, Panilla's loose marbles and the african Cup of nations but either way you look at it it really p155es me off watching Benni, Ivaskevicius, Elliot, Kurskis and co while on the telly there is larry playing great for ghana, Bednar knocking them in left right and centre for WBA, Cesny playing blinding for Lithuania and panilla talking about lazio wanting to sign him...meanwhile we're in the bottom six and below even hibs!
30

jimmyhibs,

east kilbride 20/02/2008 12:36:55
Apparently Shaggy phoned the samaritans to get everything off his chest. They hung up.
31

maroon to the core,

falkirk 20/02/2008 12:37:23
"We have got some big games coming up over the next few weeks and this is when we really need to get some wins under our belts," said Frail, who has helped to turn the club's fortunes around since being given sole control of team affairs.
Can someone please let me know how Frail has turned the cubs fortunes.
Eliminated from two cup competitions and won only three games against teams that where, at the time, out of form. As soon as we play a half decent outfit we get humped.
If I was as bad at my job I would have my P45 by now.
No chance of reaching the top six.
32

Tynie,

Robbos Bar 20/02/2008 12:37:38
Me and my ST mate will be playing golf Saturdays from now on

Romanov - you've lost interest in Hearts and until you bring a worthwhile manager and players in - so will our fans

Can ye blame us?
33

LTYF,

20/02/2008 12:38:17
Saturday's opponents Motherwell sit 11 points ahead of the Jambos with a game in hand and victory for the Fir Park side would effectively end Hearts' chances of catching Mark McGhee's men.


Sorry but I thought Motherwell have 3 games in hand over the Hearts??
34

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20/02/2008 12:39:55
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jammin 2,

20/02/2008 12:42:37
#33you can play golf at tynecastle theres lots of holes appearing in the crowds.Really dont blame you tho, enjoy your ale.
36

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 12:48:55
# 22 Dublin.Hibs

Is that why you moved to Dublin?
37

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:52:31
This article was the product of a couple of journos trying to stir the the proverbial porridge....oh yeah, the games are running out and we're all DOOMED I tell ye.

COLLEEN PATERSON and MARK BONTHRONE...now there's a meeting of minds that will only have the mental well-being of all jambos at heart......when Shaggy sees them walking down the corridors at Tynie, he should duck into the nearest room and hide under a table until they go away. Their negative spinning is the opposite to last season when David Hardie was saying that john collins didn't look phased by getting beat in a derby.

Where is their sense of fairness?
38

Maroon tinted glasses,

20/02/2008 12:54:19
Its great, all these hobo fans on about our team and EGM's. "people in glass houses and all that" I suggest they should ask their own board for an EGM to see what happens to all the cash given for players who jumped ship to the west and how they can stop their best from deserting "fester road" like rats off a ship.
I do however hope that mixu does well as their manager so i can laugh when he to goes to a bigger team in the closed season (they must be running out of ex players to become manager).

Get a grip and worry about your own teams turmoil.
39

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20/02/2008 12:54:31
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:54:55
22 Dublin.Hibs, Indy rep kid is one of your own, he just uses a more undercover route to having a pop at us...just like Anton does....but they both can be hugely entertaining, so fair dues.
41

just a jambo,

20/02/2008 12:56:03
re 36 what holes, over 16 thou against gretna, compared to hibs 12 thou against the sheep.
42

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:58:55
#42 Are you implying that I am one of 'them'?

I sincerely hope not.
43

just a jambo,

20/02/2008 12:59:34
my last post, i should have said 12 thou against gretna.
44

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 13:00:43
And mine should have referred to #43

Shambles!!
45

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:01:54
#47 maybe you were going for 2 birds with one sonte...if you were indeed into birds that is?
46

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:02:19
sonte ..I mean stone...doh!
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20/02/2008 13:02:38
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 13:03:10
Come on guys, this is the Evening News. There's no space for inaccurate statistics and spelling mistakes here!
49

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:05:49
victoria,

my sweet little princess, are you implying what i think your implying, ya wee cyber socialieser you.

Rambo you are correct that is why i moved over here, but anytime i want i can click my heels together 3 times and i can be back in edinburgh anytime. However comming on this thread and listening to victor he can somtimes compare to the scarecrow
50

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:06:23
#45 indie rep kid - didn't mean to blow your cover...ssshhh walls have ears.
51

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:09:01
43

what you mean the literary genius that is anton is not really a lithuanian????? shurely there ish shome mishtake! they may use words like: that's barry, he played guff, sound gadge in Lithuania along with CRAPPAGE!
52

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:09:58
Its getting really boring and irritating now hearing the same old bull each day of each week from Frail. It's always a must win game. Then when we get beat he goes on about there were some good encouraging signs, who is he trying to kid, Personally i have seen no encouraging signs, the team albeit pulled off 3 wins but none were convincing, Aberdeen apart from there good result against Bayern have been in utter dissaray and have hit the self destruct button, Gretna played with a team of youngsters and we just maanger to pull off a 2-0, and hibs well theyr not in the richest of forms and certainly werent when we played them.

I have been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years now, i have followed the Hearts through thick and thin, but i can honestly say now this is the first time in those near 20 years where iam actually considering not renewing my season ticket for next season, if a new manager is not brought in (Someone with some pedigree about him (And i dont mean Chum)) and certain players who dont deserve to breath inside tynecastle let alone play for Hearts are not gotten rid off.
53

True Jambo,

20/02/2008 13:14:41
not making top 6 so why not just accept it.
54

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:14:51
#56 you're damn right - the only thing is Frail probably worries that if he doesn't feed the bear that is EEN others like Doc Anderton will?
55

Balernojambo,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:19:03
He must be the Master of stating the obvious, what is it tomorrow we have to play the full 90 mins, bears cak in wood or hibs havent won the scottish cup in 107years!!!! tell us tell us something we dont know TELL US SOMETHING TO ENCOURAGE US
56

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:24:05
#58
To be honest the proposed boycots should never have been stopped, i said that in these forums in the build up to the Gretna game where they were originally planned

Nothing has changed except we have got a few more points on the board, if St Mirren win there 2 games in hane were back down to 10th, The whole bull about a new manager and frail having full autonomy as well as a new manager when he comes in story on new years day was relaeased to apease the fans and hopefully avoid any boycots and it worked, yet again everyone fell for it hook line and sinker. The same will happen again when or if boycots are being planned again or when season ticket renewals comes up.
57

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:24:29
59

something to encourage you........

you are a very good footballing team, with a great tactician as a manager and an owner who genuinely cares about the club and whats best for the fans, whatsmore i think next season you will win the treble and complete the building of your new stand, the glory days will return to gorgie .....believe me
58

busbyfh,

20/02/2008 13:26:00
"Sole control of team affairs"

I was now going to rant , but......................

# 56
Finest
Your second paragraph echoes the sentiments of many , many Jambos right now. Especially after Vlad's blusters about manager and signings during January.
59

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:27:01
Aye as articles go this just about hits every cliche on the checklist. What do you expect though from a rag which has a story about a deid dug on its fromt page.

PS who is Colleeen wotsname? Is she a babe?
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20/02/2008 13:31:25
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:32:30
And a picture of a deid dug on the back page too,
62

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:34:24
#64
The big deal about top 6 means extra money and also its a bit of a prestige we will lose. Hearts are the only team outside the OF to have always finnished in the top 6 since it was introduced.
63

J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 13:34:45
64#

Spot on the season has gone plan for August.
64

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:34:55
65

Aye falkirk have had a pretty poor record in recent years
65

Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 13:39:26
I think some of the comments on Frail are unfair, with regards his comments to the press, what is he meant to say?
A lot of negativity here, not without grounds, but there is also grounds for positivity. 3 clean sheets were recorded prior to Celtic, what I seen against St Mirren in particular was as low as it gets, it has improved, possibly from a Grade E to a C-.
Lots more room for improvement, no point in setting targets now, its effectively out of our hands, but what is in our hands is to churn out as many wins as possible before the split, if its bottom 6 then its time to try out quite a few, if we're in the top 6 but out of reach try the same, if there is the slightest chance of 4th and its an Old Firm cup final then they have to carry on churning out.
Hearts are in a lot of debt, to put down a sound base it may take some time, in between we will just have to be patient, and enjoy our Pizza.
66

J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 13:40:07
67#

Fair point - but come the split where ever we are that is the time to bring a new manager and let him get on with sorting things out for next season.

PS assuming we are going to appoint a new Manager
67

Salvatori,

20/02/2008 13:41:08
We've already had the "We need to take 15 from our next 5", damn "12 from our next 4", balls, "9 from our next 3" hyperbole.

We've had absolutely no consistency this season and I can't see where it it necessarily going to come from. If we make the top 6, I'll eat my virtual shorts.Embra
68

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:50:41
Good point Anton. Is it foggy doon in Pilton?
69

Bhoyed,

20/02/2008 13:54:15
What are you all flapping about? It was bound to happen sooner or later because of the rotation system that is in place in the SPL's 2nd and 3rd tiers.

Traditionally as follows, but not allways:
Tier 2 = Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Motherwell.
Tier 3 = Falkirk, Kilmarnock, ICT, etc.

There is the occasional promotion from tier 3 to tier 2, as Motherwell have done this year, but there is also the occasional demotion, as Hearts are doing this year.

Although you were fed the nonsense of league championships and Champs League football, no one outside planet Gorgie believed you, therefore learn to live with it. Enjoy the highs when challenging for 3rd, but accept it when you have a bad season that you will finish 6,7,8 etc and know your place in Scottish football.

Hail Hail.

70

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 13:57:53
#60

It's a pity that you don't have any fans with testicles down Tiny way at the moment or you could have gone through with your boycott, but not many with spines support the Hearts

Pity

You will just have to put up with whatever the Vladmiester wants.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 13:58:55
#75 Kris, there was some sense in there, some, to echo your post there are top tier posts, 2nd tier posts and bottom tier posts, you've just advanced from the bottom to the 2nd, congratulations.

72

Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:04:33
Bhoyed # 75

I really hate to admit it but there is some sense in what you say there.

The problem is that some (not all) Hearts fans see themselves as up there with the old firm and certainly far bigger than any other teams in the league. They cant quite seem to understand that Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen all have similar supports, histories ect. (before the Jambos jump all over this, I know they have one more cups than Hibs. But Queens Parj have won more than Hearts!)
73

Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:06:09
And with spelling like in my post 78 Im about to be relegated to tier 3 of posts!
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 14:11:33
#76 Spot on... they are all a cross between Jellyfish and Lemmings down Gorgie way...
75

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:15:04
#80 Edinburgh's Most Finest (EMF...unbelievable) i didn't know you are a cross dressing consultant? Respect!!

Are you in charge of those empty seats down at Easter Raod on match days ?
76

Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:22:43
#78, 79 Lenny, sometimes we have to take our medicine, though I would like to think the structuring of Hearts at the moment will lift them into a no mans land between the OF and Hibs, Aberdeen etc.
Of course the onus would then be on these clubs to create something of their own similar to Hearts, if and a big if, successful, which in turn would possibly create a bit more pressure on the OF and the narrowing of the gap.
Notice Kris didnt mention the natural order of the top 2.
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 14:28:21
#81 Can you not read? It's Edinburghs Finest not Edinburghs Most Finest.... jeez you really are making a tw*t of yourself today..suppose thats what happens when they allow the special needs class access to the "Computya"....
78

Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:30:02
Chas

I hate to say it but the current structuring at Hearts could well leave you in no-mans land. But not one between the Old Firm and the rest.

If anything, one could argue that the current infastructure at Hibs could see us emerge as the 3rd force in the next few years (almost no debt, new training ground, soon to be complete stadium etc)
79

Disco Drisco,

20/02/2008 14:31:38
The comment under the picture is fecking spot on:-

WARNING!!!!!!!!!!! - Stephen Frail.

He's one ugly mo fo.
80

Edward ian,

20/02/2008 14:31:53
Can anyone really see the Hearts do better than ninth,
certainly not me,
81

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 14:34:26
81

this is your most successful day on this forum........you made a new wee pal to talk sci fi with and go to the eec next time there is a star wars convention in town.......don't get too carried away
82

Edward ian,

20/02/2008 14:35:16
Hibs fans find Hearts threads much more laughable,
Thats why we use them,
83

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:36:38
#87

I'll give them 8th place but only if Kilmarnock keep Jeffries as Manager.
84

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:37:42
#85
Lenny what you say is all very well in theory however with farmer and petrie at the helm this is about as far forward as hibs will get, in fact they may have reached their peak last year when they still had a lot of the players.

Petrie inparticular, has sold and will continue to sell all your best players, and these players will always want away, reason being is hibs refuse to pay a decent wage. Dont get me wrong its good in theory and i agree footballers are overpaid they should be happy to wear a shirt with pride no matter how much they get paid, unfortunately its not like that anymore, until petrie and the hibs board show a higher level of ambition then hibs will always be in the position they are now without progress
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Bhoyed,

20/02/2008 14:38:04
#82 "Notice Kris didnt mention the natural order of the top 2".

This unfortunately is also rotated.

PS. Who are what does "Kris" mean?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:38:16
#84, 85 Well thats the negative way of looking at it. I'm not going down the Yamanomic and Hobocounant route today, but at some point somebody has to show some ambition other than keeping the club on a level footing to be walked over by them in the West.
If the businesses, such as hotel, casino, corporate entertainment etc become fruitful, it gives Hearts something else other than football behind them.
Bolton I think renamed their stadium as the Reebok for quite a sum and indeed all over US they rename regularly.
It will be quite a debt, but I dont see how any club is going to advance and make Scottish football more interesting without risk.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:40:23
#81 what wee pal....and how do you know that I get my hair cut at Star Trek conventions?
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:40:57
83 Edinburghs moist Finest, wasn't "Computya" the one that went solo from the sugababes?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:42:27
#92 Sorry, I thought that was your name. You'll be pleased though I suppose Rangers have more trophies to their name, pity they never too made it through and only Celtic got there.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:43:58
#97 I think Kris Bhoyed should get more of a game at rangers, its criminal.
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:44:32
#91

Hibs are making progress as is seen with the new training ground (Fully paid for) and with the New East Stand in place for next season, they have put the infrasctructure in place to succeed.

On the park, we now have some more good lads coming through the ranks so we'll have to just wait and see.

It's a race to see who gets the New stand up first.
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Hoogel,

20/02/2008 14:48:24
#93 I think you missed Lenny's point.
Which as I read it is; when the the new stand is built at Easter Road and the debt finally paid off, there will be significant funds released to the club's finances, as there will be no need for further capital spend on the stadium and the training facility is paid for.
That leaves the opportunity to increase wages and attract a better standard of player to Hibs. Whether that happens or not is open to conjecture, but it certainly raises the possibility.



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Roscoe P Coltrane,

20/02/2008 14:49:44
#50 - Victor, I'd rather be hanging around that end of Princes Street to go to CCs or Ego with "them" than the Leith San Siro with "them"......
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:50:48
#99
New training complexes dont pay players wages, your missing the point. As for youngsters many teams go through spells of producing very talented youngsters Hearts did it frequently in the late 80's 90's and still are bringing through some granted not as many, Motjherwell have gone through phases where a few good quality players have emerged all at once, what happens when the talent dries up for a few years? its not an ever ending conveyor belt of talented players.

The new stand is not the important issue yes increased match day revenue, the biggest aspect of the Tynie redevolpment and someone touched on it earlier is the hotel/bars/gym/superstore and shops as well as accomodation. These are all extra revenue which will continue to come into HMFC whether we play a match or not. Yes its going to be a huge debt overall, but in time this will be paid off through all the extra revenue generated a lot quicker than it would if we only had an increased stadium.
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 14:51:43
why all this talk of casuals roscoe, i thought that died out in the 90's
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:53:46
#102

See post 100

And we'll see if the council approve these plans originally for a Stand only but now with the add-ons included.

Only time will tell.
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:54:59
#100
Where is this information coming from there will be extra funds available when the stand is built???

The money for hibs new stand has already been put aside (According to a hibs shareholder friend of mine) i was told this last year. And what is it with the same expression "Next to no debt" or "Virtually no debt" as ive said before do your sums what has come into your club ion the last 18 months and how little debt you had to pay off 18 months ago, Hibs should be showing a + balance now. Funds if they were to be made available would have already been made available. Face the facts it isnt going to happen under Petrie or Farmer
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:59:57
#104
We have spoke about this many a times on these forums RE. the tynecastle plans.

The council and HMFC were in negotiations throughout the whole process, why? becasue as was stated by HMFC they wanted to make sure when the plans were submitted they would already meet with council approval. No point spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on one of the best stadium architects around and drawing up plans for them to be knocked back once twice or more for silly little adjustments.

Or in laymans terms

When you take your car for a pre mot You expect them to tell you everything thats wrong so you can get it fixed and all correct for when you MOT it, you do this and stick to what you have been told needs done and it sales through the MOT.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:01:33
#100 It was my understanding of the Hibs situation that they were loaned a significant amount of dosh to get out of jail and now its time to call up the bank as John Leslie one of Hibs finest! would have said on Wheel of Fortune.
Are Hibs not wary of finding themselves in such a position again?
In any case both teams need each other to feed off, to use a Hibby word FACT.
One without the other wouldn't be very good.
Anyhow the point was about Hearts on a Hearts story and I'm quite patient, I'm willing to wait awhile, and suffer the ridicule of those "In the Know".
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 15:02:55
#102 I thought you werent allowed to build accomodation??... it must be some expensive Gym membership to pay off that debt... or perhaps its all just a load of old sheeeite....
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:07:42
#108 I wonder how your opinion might differ if Hibs were to build a hotel, though its more likely to be a doss house, I know.
Dont think anyone believes we will split the Ugly Sisters permanently, but we can surely put more pressure on them and operate stand alone profit making businesses which will strengthen the club as a whole, I dont see whats wrong with that, in time the thing will pay for itself.
Footballs changed, its not all about the team on the park anymore, I'd tend to go with your sentiments about that being most important to me as a fan, but I'm realistic about the future of football as a whole, can you say the same?
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:09:33
face it europes over 3rd 4th placed teams have points in bag just to catch them you would have to win four games in a row and they to lose all these games top six outside chance because your still relying on teams above you to do you a favour if caley win tonight they go six in front of you if well win 3rd is out of sight as a hibby i hope draw at least on sat so we can catch them for 3rd as our game in hand is against well
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:13:00
george what team did you watch in 80s 90s hearts produce very few young players is that the same 80 s that got you relegated twice once you didnt even come back up for 2 years big year 86 when your bottle crashed in last game then humped in cup final what did youse do then oh i sacked the manager similar to now burley gets you top of league so you sack him
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:13:03
george what team did you watch in 80s 90s hearts produce very few young players is that the same 80 s that got you relegated twice once you didnt even come back up for 2 years big year 86 when your bottle crashed in last game then humped in cup final what did youse do then oh i sacked the manager similar to now burley gets you top of league so you sack him
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:14:00
#112 Probably 3rd or 4th is out of reach for both of us, but the league doesn't end at the split, theres another 15 points beyond that.
Seems unlikely either Hearts or Hibs have the consistency to peg back Well or United who are there on merit, both are better than either Edinburgh side, this year at least.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:16:08
even frail is telling you season is over get it over cos your p1sh facts count, out both cups nowhere in league plus im a great believer in playing real games not mickey mouse friendlies so if hibs have to go in inter tattie cup bring it on
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 15:17:19
#107

As I said only time will tell.

I know that hearts have been working closely with the council planners as they have the council over the last 100 years.

I would just like to see the colour of the money and get rid of that monstrosity that is supposed to be your main stand, which is full of rabbit runs and the likes.
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 15:21:41
Gorgies Finest #91

What you forget is that Farmer and Petrie have NOT always been sellers. It was them that got us into so much debt by trying to become the 3rd force. Sauzee, Latapy, Zitelli etc dont come cheap.

Once the debt has fully gone and the ground is built there isnothing to suggest players will continue to get sold so easily.

Chas # 93

That is you assuming that the stand IS going to be built and if it does that Hearts will see any of the money...

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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 15:24:03
106

oooooh behave
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:24:36
#116 If they can re-generate Leith anything is possible.
I dont see why not, its very close to the city centre and hotels always seem to make money, you dont see many closing.
Its a massive project, it could easily end up with an unhappy ending but I dont think so, equally I dont think its going to project Hearts to far greater heights, I think it could help them as a business though, as I say thats the way I see football clubs going as part of a group.
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Maroon tinted glasses,

20/02/2008 15:26:55
117
Sad man, your team is so interesting that you spend all day on a hearts link.

Get a grip
get a life

funny how the bleating continues because of what would be classed as a good season so far for the hobo's (they must be proud.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:34:03
#119 Lenny, you have to dont you. I'll tell you straight I'm a cynic, but its hard to find fault what they have done on the business side.
Its hard to trust the man purely because of the emotional pull of football, but on the business side of things, admittedly I'm no expert, he appears to have progressed Hearts light years.
Its easy to knock Hearts looking in from another club, if you remove the performances of the team and how it is selected, a lot of good has been done.
What I will say is I'll breathe easier when I see a fine erection in McLeod Street!!
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 15:34:36
Costs for the NEW EAST STAND at Easter Road will be approx £5.5 - £6 Millions for a 7,000 seater stand.

Hearts 10,000 seater with associated add ons £51 Million.

Who's will be up first?
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 15:45:20
#126

As usual you don't read the post fully and try to put someone down with your full blooded wit.

Hearts 10,000 seater with associated ADD ONS

Get it......Mut
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Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 15:45:25
Handbags are really out today!!

Predictions tonight, Celtic v Barca?? Tims to get fecked?? Due a pumping in Europe at home ah reckon!!
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 15:45:56
"120 Dublin.Hibs,20/02/2008 15:24:03
106

oooooh behave"

....was that the 106 as in years...or post number?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:47:02
#123 That would be good, vice versa of course, but I genuinely believe when Hibs do something Hearts tend to step it up a bit, rivalry is good, and it can be friendly with the competition.
I wont lie and say I was disappointed when Hibs got relegated and we won the cup, but the season after was murder, especially as there was no derby to lift our spirits as we plunged down the league.
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 15:47:22
#126

The only confused tripe was from your posts a few months ago when you were telling anyone who'd listen that the Debt was nothing to do with Hearts.

You were found out then and had to do a U Turn
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 15:48:15
# 100

Correctimundo
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 15:49:17
128 Tricky Dickie,

Celtic 4 v Barca 0: hat trick for Killen and a goal for Riordan (as opposed to his main goal of getting the F out of dodge) and Bobo to go in goals once their nutcase goalie knocks out McManus for getting lippy again. And sno to look like Theo from the cosby show (that's always a safe bet).
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 15:50:41
#132 Lenny are you really Henry Winkler? I thought Mixu 6-2 was the winkler?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:53:33
#132 Do you believe it though, see I dont think you do. You maybe dream it, like we dream about big stands you dream about being a place that hasn't been for over 50 years and may never be.
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green blood,

20/02/2008 15:56:18
too many weegie jambos on here for my liking
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green blood,

20/02/2008 15:56:25
too many weegie jambos on here for my liking
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:57:02
#133 I predict Brown will try to noise up Ronaldihno or Henry, its guaranteed, he will try to be the big man, notice how quickly he backed off Shaggy on Saturday though, ok so the ball was back in play!
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Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 15:58:24
#133

Thats some game!! I will tune in though do kinda hope the score goes the other way for betting reasons!!
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 15:59:19
#137/8 is that some kind of alien double talk?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:02:40
#136 I remember many a car trip in 94-95 where we started to think that way Rob.
I live in Aberdeen, on the way home from West we passed a sign for Doune, we always mentioned its where we were heading. Luckily we survived that time, fortunately for me, I was very young in the 1st Division years for Hearts.
That was my first association though with Hearts back then and they were winning and had bigger crowds than Ayr (who had been in the Premier) so I was drawn!
End of the day its all about supporting your team rain or shine, better when the sun shines though.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 16:04:16
139 Chas Niceass, that's a good shout about Brown noising folk up, it IS guaranteed: he certainly managed to get Binya's goat in the earlier rounds - his unfortunate 'ned' look must be internationally recognised?

Seriously though, I don't think Broonaldo has been the same player (from the times I've seen him play) since Binya's disgusting tackle on him. That's not good news for Scotland.
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 16:04:25
127#

As I see it I think the "ADD ONS" is the stand the rest of it is designed to generate income (not sure for who),retail leases etc, if you see what I mean
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 16:06:14
#140

just pointing out that the Hibs will imo have their stadium completed well before the BIG MASSIVE ENORMOUS TEAM from the bottom six.

Two and a half years since you had a Manager, when are you going to ask your owner IF you are getting one.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:08:35
#143 Rob, dont be too hard upon yourself, Angelina has an excellent record of adopting those less fortunate, the cup, right enough, cant really appease you there!
#147 Anton, cheers, he'll still get to them from the stand.
#148 Agreed Scotland need him.

Cant believe this post was stopped as I put the words "hard" and then "on" after one another! Had to change it to upon for Rob
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 16:08:52
#149

I have seen the plans, but don't think they have been approved yet?

Putting the costs of the two stands alongside each other and you are paying through the Pinnochio for your add ons, and as you said generating income for whom?
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:11:22
# 135

Do I believe what Chas? That once all the debt is gone and the Stadium is finished that we will attract better players etc? I certainly believe that.

All clubs are cutting back and reducing debt. It is really only Hearts that are spending way outwith their means. We already have the 4th biggest crowds in the League and if we are debt free etc soon we will certainly be years ahead of the rest. As that is the final aim of all the club in the League, outwith Hearts and the Old Firm.

The wages HAVE went up every year and will continue to. That doesnt mean that we will be able to pay 15K a week or whatever but I would imagine we will end up paying better wages than the likes of Aberdeen & Dun Utd etc.

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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 16:12:22
#144

Your not telling the truth again Victor.

You catagorically said "It was not Hearts debt".

Stop lying.

You were found out last time.
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:15:22
Vic

If Hearts are the 'self appointed' big team. Would you agree that Hibs are the 'Better' team?
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:15:44
Vic

If Hearts are the 'self appointed' big team. Would you agree that Hibs are the 'Better' team?
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 16:18:02
#153

You have continually castigated fans of other teams for their use of language, and that they don't know the FACTS when posting Riley/Dublin etc.

You spouted on here for weeks on end saying that the Debt was not Hearts'

The Facts were made clear a few weeks ago by Hearts themselves, showing you to be a Liar.


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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:20:05
#154 Lenny, you'll need to invest though and there may be a reluctance to do so given whats gone before.
I admire your optimism, but in reality they are dreams, just like we have and get knocked for.
Hearts are taking risks at the moment but the benefits could be huge, everyone is instantly assuming this will end badly for Hearts as it will be bad news for their own club if it is a success.
Its only natural, but from a personal standpoint I'd like to see them give it a go rather than the stagnation that has existed since the 80's.
The mystery surrounding Romanov will always make us a target for jibes, but he's been here 3 years now, Frontline Scotlands efforts to knock him must have been an embarrassment to the Beeb and I've yet to hear of one singular disaster in his Empire.
The man makes money, you might not like him, we might not but if he brings in money for Hearts that cant be bad for the fans.
Hibs are trying to do it another way and good luck to you, but I find the criticism of Hearts for daring to be different a bit poor to be honest. What worry is it to anyone other than Hearts fans if it does go wrong?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:22:17
Whose been noising up the Moderator?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:23:38
Lenny to be fair last Derby you didn't look better.
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:23:55
# 173

Oh, I dont mean form* Vic. I put it to you that Hibs are simply 'BETTER' in all aspects of the club. The way Hearts go about things, kinda lacks class sometimes. Websites about monkeys, Union Jack waving fans getting knicked for sectarian signing, the club not paying bills, trying to not pay for players, hiring sex offenders as couch, fans fighting at AGM. I could go on. Simply no class. Hibs are better : )

* Although we are the better team just now as well.
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what a chancer,

abdn 20/02/2008 16:25:19
stevie theres no excuses left,the team has little passion the foriegners have had the pay deal that took them here,what else do they need to do,stuck in the league and no english team wants what we have left.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 16:28:22
178 Lenny how much class did the hibs mgt show by not finding a role for Tommy Craig?
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:28:43
Chas

I remember clearly the Hand of Hibs rallys etc. And for that reason alone I am glad that will not 'give it a go' as you say.

I dont really see it as Dreams, I dont expect Hibs to challenge the old firm. But in our financial and structural position its perfectly feasable to think we could be better than the rest.

Whether it happens or not, who knows.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:29:25
#178 Sorry Lenny I also misunderstood, but I take offense we have never had a s*x offending couch, a pervy sofa maybe!
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:30:06
Bprentice

Tommy Craig was part of the problem. Every Hibs fan I know was delighted we got rid of him. Nothing about class there.
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 16:31:33
180

there was a role for him, in the last administration, however he cocked that up, so byyyyeeee
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:31:48
Haha, my spelling has been terrible today chas. Its what happens when you are trying to do work as well...
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:32:09
#181 Lenny I'm not knocking that, Ijust feel you may be disappointed, it wont be enough to create a gap I dont think, and you'll always find there will be investment in some other club.
Och its all part of the game though, it'll come out in the wash.
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 16:32:31
174#

The stagnation goes back to the the last time we won the league - winning the league means you really are the best team in the country, both Hearts and Hibs have won cups but it has been almost 50 years since Hearts won the league almost 60 (not a dig) in the case of Hibs.

You are right Hearts are taking risks but if it could mean a sustained go at the OF then I for one am up for it.
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 16:34:27
why all the posts removed what did i miss, has the phantom slasher taken exception to all the accounts talk?
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 20/02/2008 16:34:30
#136. Talking out of your hole as usual. During your season in the 1st division hibs had only 3 league matches were the "crowd" was in excess of 10,000.

The FACTS are here:

http://www.soccerbase.com/results2.sd
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 16:37:41
83 & 84 was he not there when you demolished Kilmarnock in the diddy cup final, personally shouting in every player's face at half-time? Where is the loyalty in this class-less society we are aspiring to have?
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 16:37:59
153
why were you bringing me into that?
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 16:39:08
#188 don't mention it or you'll be the next target...okay then... mention it.
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 16:42:03
Bprentice

As a jambo you clearly just dont understand the meaning of the term class.

If a team is doing badly you can get rid of a manager and his backroom team. That is pretty obvious and nothing at all to do with class. Mixu came in and decided who he wanted to work with. Again perfectly normal and not a thing to do with class.

You are probably just confused as Hearts havn't had a manger for over a year.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 16:52:01
#193 But Lenny we dont need a manager to beat you!
How many Coaches, Managers, Acting Couches etc, have now got a derby win on their CV, are we indeed attempting to reach Guinness Book of Records for Derby winning Couches!!!
Have a good night I'm off, Peppered Steaks, nae pizza tonight.
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green blood,

20/02/2008 16:52:54
188 dublin-a think we missed jambo weegie skum attempts to try an post with limited success
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Edward ian,

20/02/2008 16:56:53
Had it all gone to plan!!
Hearts could have been playing Barcelona tonight,
And not smelltic.
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 16:58:27
188

it's all over the front page......you give me weegie rage!

moderator goes mad, whoosh end of
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green blood,

20/02/2008 17:00:33
hearts rage weegie rage- its all the same to me
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Maroon tinted glasses,

20/02/2008 17:01:35
200
yeah says the person who follows celtik.
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green blood,

20/02/2008 17:01:40
vlads army is decreasing like frails hair
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green blood,

20/02/2008 17:02:17
201 aye you need glasses muppet
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Maroon tinted glasses,

20/02/2008 17:03:47
203
Yep, blah blah blah, still on the hearts link celtik boy.
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green blood,

20/02/2008 17:07:32
celtic rangers hearts stick them on a boat and blow it up
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

20/02/2008 17:33:03
I wouldn't mention blowing anything up if I were you pal.........

What did happen to all the posts though (green blood, I'm not asking you, only those that speak english)?
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 17:38:58
193 Lenny/Fonzie - To stand by loyal friends, loyal employees etc shows class. Tommy didn't walk away, unlike JC, and he had built up quite a bit of local knowledge at the club regarding all things hibs, so surely hibs could have found a place for him? Or are you guys now saying that TC was total pie now that he's been given the flick?

I wonder if TC will take the Gretna job, I hear that Gretna are paying similar wages to hibs?
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Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 17:57:48
208

that was meant to be 148, another person accusing me of being hamish or summit, i will state again, not me, seems another funbox has me confused with someone else, and the boys a hibby aswell???
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jdships,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 18:36:17
Putting aside all the whose bigger/better than who the bottom line is the uncertain future for HFC.
We , regardless who we support, surely must accept that a club/business cannot go on racking up debts .

Even as a Hibbee I don't want to see the demise of HFC but one has to wonder what the next couple of years will show survival wise

Sad but true methinks !!

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Gorgie show flat,

20/02/2008 18:39:48
Vic et al, just to say Ive been banned under the name of Jamtastic for what I said about you and the moderators missus!

Beware!
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green blood,

20/02/2008 18:41:46
the end in nigh for vlad and his gang and they only have themselves to blame, i can still remember the jambos falling over themselves when he was sworn in, waring them russians hats and all that, idiots
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Plantagenet,

20/02/2008 19:42:29
I see Barcelona are going to get a bit of shooting-in practice tonight, hope they score a barrowload and the tims are totally embarrassed. Thought about going to the pub so watch but can't be @rsed, if Hearts aint playing, not really interested. In fact if Celtic or Rangers were playing in my back green I'd draw the curtains shut.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 20:15:06
please not vogts...is malofeev doing anything just now?
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BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909)wizthere26April1902,

20/02/2008 20:23:17
212 Gorgie show flat, (nee Jamtastic)

I've been banned under the name of geronimo (1829-1909) wiz there on 26 April 1902 for what asking why Ayrshire Jambo's post was deleted and then making wise cracks about how much the moderators were paid.

Its a worry that it can happen - you wouldn't mind if half the OF comments about having our day and king billy were obliterated off the face of the forum, but the nutjobs run rampant?

I sent a message to the editor of the een asking what I had said and that I thought the moderators would be supervised but I was ding-eed!! :o(

Oh ya beauty - a looping header from Barry Robson - get into those catalans....hope dunfermline don't get back into europe!
Beware!
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BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909)wizthere26April1902,

20/02/2008 20:24:54
#219 oh yeah, I kept calling the moderator Jason from the slasher films.....ou would think the moderators would have a sense of humour reading our p!sh all day long.....maybe we send them over the edge and they need counselling after a tour of duty?
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BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909)wizthere26April1902,

20/02/2008 20:26:02
not vogts...anything but vogts...I'd rather have johnny the chocolate six pack.
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green blood,

20/02/2008 20:32:50
the next manager should have supermarket experience preferebly
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BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909)wizthere26April1902,

20/02/2008 20:36:14
#222 Petrie is the equivalent of a supermarket manager - he's sold THAT MUCH CABBAGE!!!!!!!
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 20:42:33
#220 BigChiefGeronimo(1829–1909), hahaa, I can just imagine moderators going around the twist having to read these threads; if you've ever seen the film "CLERKS" and there is someone sitting at the back of the shop sitting on the floor checking every single egg to make sure it is the perfect shop before they buy the dozen eggs and the guy behind the till says, 'oh, he's a careers advisor' and his pal then totally udnerstands.....you would have had to have seen the movie, but I can just imagine that's exactly how the moderators act.

Maybe they are like traffic wardens and they have a quota to fill every day?
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 20:46:49
#224 vic at least Bertie Bassett is tasty.
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mcjambo,

20/02/2008 20:56:00
st read this on a rumour website

Russian businessman German Tkachenko is to become a major shareholder in Hearts in the upcoming months. Tkachenko is an associate of Vladimir Romanov and is the former President of Krylia Sovetov.
Romanov/UBIG will remain at Hearts in an off field sense, holding the debt while receiving the benefits of commercial activity through the development of the new stand which they will fund. Tkachenko will use his ProSports Management agency to bring in and sell players.
Expect an announcement at the AGM, which has been delayed as a result.



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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 20:59:01
#299 I know, Caldwell transcends p!sh, Strachan wants to have his babies apparently?!

I want Celtic to do well for Scottish football and the more money they make in europe, the more money you guys will make the next transfer window - but I would like to hear a round of 'we arra people' from the catalans.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 21:01:00
230 mcjambo - you've just blown my tiny mind - expect the unexpected if you follow the JTs.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 21:13:22
#233 are we talking kickback?
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Away Up In Gorgie ,

20/02/2008 21:30:14
236 He already has connections with hearts through vlad as he was responsible for larrys move. As you correctly say he is as dodgy as they come so i hope that this is one rumour that is total shat.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 21:36:21
#235 checked the football rumour site out - cunningly named "football rumours" - it looks like a bargain bucket website to me.

I noticed it said Craig Gordon to Rangers and Larry K to Sellic ....I hope we're not the new feeder club now that the vultures have picked the bones practically dry over at the eastend..............rickaaay!!
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 21:43:46
#239 I think many have always suspected that there were greater powers other than ubig around Vlad that would expect Vlad to deliver the goods....so maybe Vlad's effectively and eventually been sacked, in an unusual way?...at best sidelined to let someone else run hmfc more like a football club?
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 21:45:06
236 Anton Šalkauskas, with your reputation, that's quite overwhelming.
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Alek Ahauf,

20/02/2008 21:52:10
Disgusted to see yet another foreigner diving for a penalty!!
Samaras of Celtic should have the book thrown at him by UEFA we cannot have that sort of thing in the game!! i mean what next for gods sake. 2 game ban at least.
Loved the result just wish it was 6 instead of 3.
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20/02/2008 21:59:50
#242 Come on m8 ffs to suggest it is just the foreigners that dive is nonsense. I do however agree that they should throw the book at him. I havent seen the incident myself but it will be interesting to see how the press handle this "disgusting cheating".
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Edward ian,

20/02/2008 22:10:08
##244 Where do you gather your info!

Seafield!
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Edward ian,

20/02/2008 22:13:50
##242 Those incidents are frequent at tynecaste,
It's fact
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:17:14
Here you go Victor,

your words from August 20th last year
#193 sardonic jambo, take the magic moonbeam hobo hat off and try to understand this.

hearts are not an independent entity who owe a debt to another independent creditor, hearts are a subsidiary company within a parent group, an investment portfolio of interests throughout europe. the debt which hearts had whilst still a lse listed company has been absorbed into the ubig business as a whole. the debt is still attributed to hearts, but it isn't owed to a 3rd party creditor any more, it's owed to the bank linked to the parent company ubig.

any further investment made by ubig will also be added to the debt, but it's ubig's debt!!!!! they are the owners of hearts, therefore they owe the bank the debt.

hearts are already technically insolvent. they owe more money than is covered by their assets. there is no tangible way to trade their way out of debt. this would be severely bad news, as it was before romanov bought the club, if they owed the debt to a 3rd party creditor who could call in their marker at any time. that is not the case with hearts.

the bottom line is, ubig can invest ANY sum of money they like in hearts, and it makes no difference whatsoever. it doesn't matter if hearts have negative equity of £5M, £10M, £50M or £1B, because hearts' debt is ubig's debt. whoever owns the club, owes the debt..... ubig.

"spending outwith our means" is a statment which does not apply to hearts.

Nice words of YOURS at the bottom of the statement "because hearts' debt is ubig's debt".
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Edward ian,

20/02/2008 22:18:17
##246
You post on the een 24/7 most being childish remarks,
example mothercare, get a life lad,
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Away Up In Gorgie ,

20/02/2008 22:20:56
#247 Priceless, we have never heard that one before. The gags just keep on coming.
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:23:01
#194

Come on Victor, the proof is there now.

Get chomping the Humble pies
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:24:55
Come on Viccy

victor ian,20/08/2007 18:44:21
#193 sardonic jambo, take the magic moonbeam hobo hat off and try to understand this.

hearts are not an independent entity who owe a debt to another independent creditor, hearts are a subsidiary company within a parent group, an investment portfolio of interests throughout europe. the debt which hearts had whilst still a lse listed company has been absorbed into the ubig business as a whole. the debt is still attributed to hearts, but it isn't owed to a 3rd party creditor any more, it's owed to the bank linked to the parent company ubig.

any further investment made by ubig will also be added to the debt, but it's ubig's debt!!!!! they are the owners of hearts, therefore they owe the bank the debt.

hearts are already technically insolvent. they owe more money than is covered by their assets. there is no tangible way to trade their way out of debt. this would be severely bad news, as it was before romanov bought the club, if they owed the debt to a 3rd party creditor who could call in their marker at any time. that is not the case with hearts.

the bottom line is, ubig can invest ANY sum of money they like in hearts, and it makes no difference whatsoever. it doesn't matter if hearts have negative equity of £5M, £10M, £50M or £1B, because hearts' debt is ubig's debt. whoever owns the club, owes the debt..... ubig.

"spending outwith our means" is a statment which does not apply to hearts.
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Alek Ahauf,

20/02/2008 22:33:03
#243
The first sentence was very much tongue in cheek!!
They are only foreigners when they play for Hearts.
Makes a mockery of the vermin celtic fans non stop booing of Mikolinous, why are they so upset?? he was tripped playing against Scotland not the tattie munchers.
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:33:12
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Dolly dimple oh that's sair.

Your post clearly has you stating Hearts' debt is Ubig's debt and Hearts have come out stating that it is their debt and not Ubig's

You have again been found out to be telling porkies

Dolly dimple indeed
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Alek Ahauf,

20/02/2008 22:36:10
#247

##242 Those incidents are frequent at tynecaste,
It's fact.

I thought the game tonight was played at Celtic park!!!
Did you know your name is an anagram of Ian Edward!!!
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:41:23
Here Viccy,

One of your friends from Gorgie on the same thread

Duke-of-Earl .,20/08/2007 18:49:49
More gas from a certain VICTORIA,
Mr know all - actually knows nothing,
Go practice your diving skills from forth bridge,
Silly wee man or lady.

Hearts fans cant stand your yack - yack.
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:43:22
Or this one

#197 Victor (i don't believe it!). You are one very nauseous Jambo. Did you read the link on #194? Keep changing your 'believing' if you want but stop spraffing sh*te.
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' Crispin ',

20/02/2008 22:44:17
Did the way barca play tonight not bring memories flooding back as to how the Hearts play,
when yams supporters put there heads on the pillows at night,
ha-ha..
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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:46:37
Or this one

Mibo,20/08/2007 19:41:35
Victor - Ever thought of changing your name to General George Armstrong Custer? Might be more appropriate on today's performance.
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Duke-of-Earl .,

20/02/2008 22:48:49
#258
Classic mate.
I only talk the truth.
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Musselburgh 20/02/2008 22:49:00
Someone else who thinks you're a fibber

#231 Victor. Popped back for a quick look and you're STILL here..fibber!

What about this, sort of on topic...
"Mmmmmmm....Beautiful stand. It's a pity the artist put lots of maroony brown smelly folk in it!!

It would look much nicer tinged in green. Lets build it in Leith. Hibees have much more street cred and money."

and...
"#177 Al- What a genius, you're right! Hibs don't need a new stand (well we do but it won't cost £50million). We're quite comfy in our skin for the moment.

I just think that if you're going to build a stand, that's a nice one in the picture. I'm sure Hibs could get the same architect to do it for much less given that everyone seems to have a soft spot for Hibs' and their 'flair' football. Beautiful to watch from such a fine stand!

Anyway, the wee problem for Jambos is that Hearts ain't building no stands, no team, no friends, boo hoo! Just some weird Jambos still think something positive is going on."
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Duke-of-Earl .,

20/02/2008 22:51:15
? Who Hearts playing tomorrow,
In european game???.
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altovista,

267 21/02/2008 05:13:53
Drivle - sack the inept half wits! As for Stephen Frail - shut it and do your talking on the park for a change!
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 21/02/2008 09:02:02
#266. So what? Hearts have qualified for Europe more often than Aberdeen over the last 20 years and have gone further in Europe than Aberdeen in the last 20 years. Your point is caller?
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obi,wan,

banana republic 21/02/2008 10:25:45
If the glorious heart of midlothian are in so much financial trouble how come they are not in bankruptcy?this has just been a bad season which we will get over in the near future.after following them from the 60,s through the terrible 70,s and the heartbreaking 80,s we've had worse times.Can't believe Romanov would sell us down the river after all he has invested in us.offload all the deadbeats and add a couple of good signings and new manager and we'll be back next year
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THE BPRENTICE,

21/02/2008 10:44:44
#269 well said obi wan, may the force be with you.

261 vic, I was getting a good laugh at the mannequin monster mash on here last night. That line, 'where do you get your clothes, Mothercare?'... was a zinger and I kind of felt sorry for the hopeful hobo-erectus hoodies - I think they were convinced that they had you with quoting you from a thousands posts back.

They were only backing up what you've been trying to explain to them that hmfc are owned by a greater and BIGGER entity.....they probably think 'en-tity' is french slagging.

Genius.
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THE BPRENTICE,

21/02/2008 11:32:35
#271 hahaaa!! they are the night trawlers...coming to get you with your own coreect words....oooohh scary. If they could just used there energy for the power of good....but man, when that gang-green sets in, sometimes it can be too late?
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Laughing at The Jambos,

22/02/2008 09:54:24
#264 IT's ONLY A GAME
I admire your doggedness in reading through past VICTORIAN posts....(he's the man who entered the gene pool when no-one was watching).Full of lies, double standards and enormous contradictions over many months. This rectum-stretcher has tried manfully..and failed.. to make a case for his bizarre views many a time, (inc.it seems, claims that he actually ATTENDS games).
At his last clinic visit his psychiatrist told him "You're CRAZY"
VICTOR-IAN replies "I wanna second opinion"
"OK" says yerman...."Yer UGLY as well !!"
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Laughing at The Jambos,

22/02/2008 15:32:23
#270 BPrentice
Mothercare claes joke???
Oh Aye ...right funny that........aboot as funny as a fire in an orphanage.
Simple things, simple minds, simple Jambos.

 

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