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Frail admits time running out in Hearts' bid to make top six



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Published Date: 20 February 2008
HEARTS interim boss Stephen Frail has warned his players that time is running out in their bid to reach the SPL's top six.
The Jambos currently occupy ninth spot in the table and are five points behind sixth-placed Falkirk, having played the same number of matches as the Bairns.

With only seven matches remaining before the league split, the Tynecastle side can afford few slip-ups if they are to avoid playing out their final games of the campaign in the bottom half of the table.

A run of three wins from their last four SPL outings has given Hearts renewed hope that they can secure a top-six berth, although the coming weeks will be key with a tough trip to Motherwell this weekend followed hard on the heels by a visit from league leaders Rangers.

And Frail acknowledged the need to get back to winning ways in these matches after a 3-0 defeat to Celtic last Saturday.

"We have got some big games coming up over the next few weeks and this is when we really need to get some wins under our belts," said Frail, who has helped to turn the club's fortunes around since being given sole control of team affairs.

"It's the business end of the season now and we know what we have to do if we want to finish as high up the table as we possibly can.

"Games are running out for us before the league splits. We've got seven matches left and, while I'm not going to say they are must-win games, we do need to win as many of them as we possibly can and we will be doing everything that we can to make sure that we do that."

Saturday's opponents Motherwell sit 11 points ahead of the Jambos with a game in hand and victory for the Fir Park side would effectively end Hearts' chances of catching Mark McGhee's men.

A win for Hearts, however, would give them an outside chance of reeling in the Lanarkshire side and Frail hasn't given up hope of overhauling them.

"We know how good a team Motherwell are and we know that they are one of the teams we are chasing," he said.

"If we go there and get the victory then it obviously helps us close the gap. There's still not a lot in it. Obviously people always look at the league positions but in terms of points it's really still quite close. We showed in the three games prior to the Celtic match what we are capable of and I think at Parkhead we still managed to play some good football.

"If we keep playing away and keep fighting for one another then we will win more games than we will lose and hopefully make it a better end to the season than maybe a lot of people thought it would be."






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  • Last Updated: 20 February 2008 1:42 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:01:25
i hope hearts beat motherwell at the weekend, as long as we beat inverness caley it would be a great result
2

GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:01:26
"There's still not a lot in it." 11 points clear, game in hand, 12 games left in the season?
You know what Steve, that is quite a lot. There's about the same difference between us and Gretna right now...
3

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:01:39
What makes Frail believe we can go on a run now when we have failed to show any kind of consistency up to now??

What's going to change?

I'm not that fussed about a top 6 place and don;t see why it should be so significant. Europe should be our aim but that is so far out of reach it's not going to happen.

If we finish bottom 6 but show signs of progress, hopefully seeing a couple of youngsters being given a chance, then i'll accept that (for now)
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20/02/2008 12:02:49
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:03:08
In fact. 3 games in hand. FFS!
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 12:03:09
I think the club should appoint the new manager (if one is to be appointed) at the split, give him time to evaluate the squad and take action as he (not Vlad) sees fit.

The season has come and gone for us better to hit the ground running in August.
7

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 20/02/2008 12:04:34
If Gretna go bust and their points are expunged, we are actually fifth already.
Not saying it will happen, just stirring the pot........
8

Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 12:06:32
"Games are running out for us before the league splits. We've got seven matches left and, while I'm not going to say they are must-win games, we do need to win as many of them as we possibly can and we will be doing everything that we can to make sure that we do that."

I think EVERYGAME is a must win game!!!! As a supporter I may be wrong but thats why I pay my money!!
9

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:08:30
#9 no no no...you don;t get it

When we lose it is just a 'blip' but the game at Fir Park is 'must win'

Unless we lose, in which case it was a 'good performance' with 'signs of promise'.

Then Rangers at home becomes a 'must win'.

Get with the programme, Dickie!
10

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

20/02/2008 12:12:17
"We need to win the next 4 games"

Nope, we tried saying that.

"fans have a right to say what they want, they pay their money"

That was the line until he was put in charge. He then has a pop at fans who are not happy with Elliot.

Every day he trots out pish.

MEMO TO EEN (again)

Can you contact the club and ask what stage the next appointment of manager is at? (if there is one)

11

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:14:24
When I hear Frail saying stuff like this, it just sounds to me like Charlie Brown's teacher.
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20/02/2008 12:14:57
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 12:18:44
Can I add to #11's memo - can someone at the EEN also find out the position with SFs coaching badges? Surely he's past the grace period now?
I know its hard work for them copying and pasting stories from the Hearts website, and that can take them all day, thus holding back their investigative talents. So here's a story for tomorrow:


MICHAEL STEWART MIGHT PLAY
Michael Stewart is winning his fitness battle for the Motherwell game. This game, described as a "must win" by Steven Frail is to be played on Sunday night, on Mars. If Hearts draw this game they will close the game on Motherwell to -23 points.
In other news, the Hearts-Rangers reserve match was called off by Rangers, who fear a gubbing at Tynie if both Tall and Screpis were to be match fit.

Right, off you go and do some real journalism now.
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Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 20/02/2008 12:19:32
Pre match interview with Stevie Fail

Reporter: So Stevie what about Saturday's game
Stevie: Got to look for all 3 points, but em if the boys play to their best we can do it. but em We beat them already this season. but em Top six still our goal.

Post match interview

Reporter:: Well Stevie not a good result.
Stevie: But em we have to take some positives from the game. We missed alot of good chances.

Reporter: You say that every week Stevie and nothing changes, and if Veli doesn't score the team doesn't. Don't you think you need at least one more striker.
Stevie: Em na em. We got the French guy Christian N and and we got Calum.
Reporter: The fans think Calum is rubbish can't you see that .
Stevie: na he is a good boy and em we have yet to see best in him. He needs confidence em.
Reporter: Well fans think he is mince
Stevie: Well what do they know. Em they think the 2 full backs are mince too.
Reporter: Yes I wonder why Stevie, Don't you think team needs strengthening.
Stevie: Naa em, other sides need weakening.
Reporter: Thank you Stevie
Stevie: em yer welcome.






15

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:21:58
11

memo to all concerned hearts supporters, push for an egm to raise your concerns surely would be better than asking the two "journalists" from press gang that wrote this article. Slow news day- answer phone stevie frail who will keep us all amused with his charlie nicholas style interviews
16

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:22:14
You know a team is in trouble when their own fans are freely taking the p***.
17

jammin 2,

Gorgie 20/02/2008 12:23:06
I cant believe what i read in this paper sometimes .unfortunatly steve frail has under achieved as much as all the players this season through no fault of his own though just inexperience .He said motherwell are a good team ??? i say no. Mr Mcgee is a more experienced coach.ps i think vlad could be the new owner of Gretna he could of load more of the dross hes been throwing at hearts.
18

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:24:06
#16 Memo to Dublin Dot Hibs: shush

Actually, an egm would serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever as it assumes that the owner will listen.

A journalist has access to the players and staff and should be asking some hard questions. Sometimes a "no comment" speaks volumes.
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20/02/2008 12:26:44
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Tricky Dickie ,

20/02/2008 12:28:05
#19

The owner doesnt listen as he doesnt even go!! Too busy buying submarines so sends his son instead!

21

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:28:29
19

Indy rep kid, please do not hush me, i was only trying to help with my suggestion, i thought it might be a good idea, you sound just like my boss, and also remind me very much of my evil aunty who used to lock me under the stairs.

Life is not fair
22

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

20/02/2008 12:28:33
#16 Why would the shareholders ask for an EGM?

Are there enough shareholders left at Hearts anyway to vote for an EGM?

What exactly would an EGM accomplish? I'd guess exactly the same as Hibs fans asking the board to raise the wage cap.

Both Edinburgh teams are rubbish and that's down to the boards at each club.
23

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 12:29:29
20

that oes for you too viccy cyber bully, i am so hurt and ashamed of myself
24

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

20/02/2008 12:30:46
I think an EGM has to be announced by the 29th Feb? Think I read that on Kickback yesterday.

signed

the keeper of the keys for under the stairs.
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20/02/2008 12:32:15
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Another voice,

20/02/2008 12:32:55
Of course time is running out to get a top six place, tomorrow it will be a day less, and friday it will be another day less- shock horror!

I maybe wrong but isn't every game must win?

The only realistic (but very remote) chance of europe next season is the OF both taking part in the cup final and hearts getting fourth spot. That would require taking something from each of the next four games and quite probably taking 7 points from the following 3 games.

Even then the post split fixture list would need to be very kind to the club.
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20/02/2008 12:32:58
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The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:33:03
Dublin Dot Cotton Hibs....sorry

I see Benji's injured - let's hope it's not serious.
29

TheMoth,

Petrie's Wallet 20/02/2008 12:35:52
We have spent to many games this season persisting with rubbish like ivaskevicius, kurskis and elliot while allowing genuine talent to not play for half to three quarters of the season or in Roman's case be loaned out with a veiw to getting rid...That is why we are where we are and is why it is too late to do anything this season...Should be a discount in prices next season to make up for being cheated so badly this season. All our impact players have been unavailable for most of the season frustratingly, often for things like vlad flu! there have ofcourse been other reasons for absence like Mikey's poor dicipline, Panilla's loose marbles and the african Cup of nations but either way you look at it it really p155es me off watching Benni, Ivaskevicius, Elliot, Kurskis and co while on the telly there is larry playing great for ghana, Bednar knocking them in left right and centre for WBA, Cesny playing blinding for Lithuania and panilla talking about lazio wanting to sign him...meanwhile we're in the bottom six and below even hibs!
30

jimmyhibs,

east kilbride 20/02/2008 12:36:55
Apparently Shaggy phoned the samaritans to get everything off his chest. They hung up.
31

maroon to the core,

falkirk 20/02/2008 12:37:23
"We have got some big games coming up over the next few weeks and this is when we really need to get some wins under our belts," said Frail, who has helped to turn the club's fortunes around since being given sole control of team affairs.
Can someone please let me know how Frail has turned the cubs fortunes.
Eliminated from two cup competitions and won only three games against teams that where, at the time, out of form. As soon as we play a half decent outfit we get humped.
If I was as bad at my job I would have my P45 by now.
No chance of reaching the top six.
32

Tynie,

Robbos Bar 20/02/2008 12:37:38
Me and my ST mate will be playing golf Saturdays from now on

Romanov - you've lost interest in Hearts and until you bring a worthwhile manager and players in - so will our fans

Can ye blame us?
33

LTYF,

20/02/2008 12:38:17
Saturday's opponents Motherwell sit 11 points ahead of the Jambos with a game in hand and victory for the Fir Park side would effectively end Hearts' chances of catching Mark McGhee's men.


Sorry but I thought Motherwell have 3 games in hand over the Hearts??
34

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20/02/2008 12:39:55
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jammin 2,

20/02/2008 12:42:37
#33you can play golf at tynecastle theres lots of holes appearing in the crowds.Really dont blame you tho, enjoy your ale.
36

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 12:48:55
# 22 Dublin.Hibs

Is that why you moved to Dublin?
37

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:52:31
This article was the product of a couple of journos trying to stir the the proverbial porridge....oh yeah, the games are running out and we're all DOOMED I tell ye.

COLLEEN PATERSON and MARK BONTHRONE...now there's a meeting of minds that will only have the mental well-being of all jambos at heart......when Shaggy sees them walking down the corridors at Tynie, he should duck into the nearest room and hide under a table until they go away. Their negative spinning is the opposite to last season when David Hardie was saying that john collins didn't look phased by getting beat in a derby.

Where is their sense of fairness?
38

Maroon tinted glasses,

20/02/2008 12:54:19
Its great, all these hobo fans on about our team and EGM's. "people in glass houses and all that" I suggest they should ask their own board for an EGM to see what happens to all the cash given for players who jumped ship to the west and how they can stop their best from deserting "fester road" like rats off a ship.
I do however hope that mixu does well as their manager so i can laugh when he to goes to a bigger team in the closed season (they must be running out of ex players to become manager).

Get a grip and worry about your own teams turmoil.
39

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20/02/2008 12:54:31
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:54:55
22 Dublin.Hibs, Indy rep kid is one of your own, he just uses a more undercover route to having a pop at us...just like Anton does....but they both can be hugely entertaining, so fair dues.
41

just a jambo,

20/02/2008 12:56:03
re 36 what holes, over 16 thou against gretna, compared to hibs 12 thou against the sheep.
42

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 12:58:55
#42 Are you implying that I am one of 'them'?

I sincerely hope not.
43

just a jambo,

20/02/2008 12:59:34
my last post, i should have said 12 thou against gretna.
44

The Independent Republic of Section N,

20/02/2008 13:00:43
And mine should have referred to #43

Shambles!!
45

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:01:54
#47 maybe you were going for 2 birds with one sonte...if you were indeed into birds that is?
46

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:02:19
sonte ..I mean stone...doh!
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20/02/2008 13:02:38
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GrahamL,

20/02/2008 13:03:10
Come on guys, this is the Evening News. There's no space for inaccurate statistics and spelling mistakes here!
49

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:05:49
victoria,

my sweet little princess, are you implying what i think your implying, ya wee cyber socialieser you.

Rambo you are correct that is why i moved over here, but anytime i want i can click my heels together 3 times and i can be back in edinburgh anytime. However comming on this thread and listening to victor he can somtimes compare to the scarecrow
50

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:06:23
#45 indie rep kid - didn't mean to blow your cover...ssshhh walls have ears.
51

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:09:01
43

what you mean the literary genius that is anton is not really a lithuanian????? shurely there ish shome mishtake! they may use words like: that's barry, he played guff, sound gadge in Lithuania along with CRAPPAGE!
52

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:09:58
Its getting really boring and irritating now hearing the same old bull each day of each week from Frail. It's always a must win game. Then when we get beat he goes on about there were some good encouraging signs, who is he trying to kid, Personally i have seen no encouraging signs, the team albeit pulled off 3 wins but none were convincing, Aberdeen apart from there good result against Bayern have been in utter dissaray and have hit the self destruct button, Gretna played with a team of youngsters and we just maanger to pull off a 2-0, and hibs well theyr not in the richest of forms and certainly werent when we played them.

I have been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years now, i have followed the Hearts through thick and thin, but i can honestly say now this is the first time in those near 20 years where iam actually considering not renewing my season ticket for next season, if a new manager is not brought in (Someone with some pedigree about him (And i dont mean Chum)) and certain players who dont deserve to breath inside tynecastle let alone play for Hearts are not gotten rid off.
53

True Jambo,

20/02/2008 13:14:41
not making top 6 so why not just accept it.
54

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 13:14:51
#56 you're damn right - the only thing is Frail probably worries that if he doesn't feed the bear that is EEN others like Doc Anderton will?
55

Balernojambo,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:19:03
He must be the Master of stating the obvious, what is it tomorrow we have to play the full 90 mins, bears cak in wood or hibs havent won the scottish cup in 107years!!!! tell us tell us something we dont know TELL US SOMETHING TO ENCOURAGE US
56

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:24:05
#58
To be honest the proposed boycots should never have been stopped, i said that in these forums in the build up to the Gretna game where they were originally planned

Nothing has changed except we have got a few more points on the board, if St Mirren win there 2 games in hane were back down to 10th, The whole bull about a new manager and frail having full autonomy as well as a new manager when he comes in story on new years day was relaeased to apease the fans and hopefully avoid any boycots and it worked, yet again everyone fell for it hook line and sinker. The same will happen again when or if boycots are being planned again or when season ticket renewals comes up.
57

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:24:29
59

something to encourage you........

you are a very good footballing team, with a great tactician as a manager and an owner who genuinely cares about the club and whats best for the fans, whatsmore i think next season you will win the treble and complete the building of your new stand, the glory days will return to gorgie .....believe me
58

busbyfh,

20/02/2008 13:26:00
"Sole control of team affairs"

I was now going to rant , but......................

# 56
Finest
Your second paragraph echoes the sentiments of many , many Jambos right now. Especially after Vlad's blusters about manager and signings during January.
59

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:27:01
Aye as articles go this just about hits every cliche on the checklist. What do you expect though from a rag which has a story about a deid dug on its fromt page.

PS who is Colleeen wotsname? Is she a babe?
60

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

20/02/2008 13:28:12
Im not going to get cheeky but whats the big deal in "reaching the top six"?

is that what its came to ? Concentrate on next season, young blood and all that , yore not going down.
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:32:30
And a picture of a deid dug on the back page too,
63

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 13:34:24
#64
The big deal about top 6 means extra money and also its a bit of a prestige we will lose. Hearts are the only team outside the OF to have always finnished in the top 6 since it was introduced.
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 13:34:45
64#

Spot on the season has gone plan for August.
65

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 13:34:55
65

Aye falkirk have had a pretty poor record in recent years
66

Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 13:39:26
I think some of the comments on Frail are unfair, with regards his comments to the press, what is he meant to say?
A lot of negativity here, not without grounds, but there is also grounds for positivity. 3 clean sheets were recorded prior to Celtic, what I seen against St Mirren in particular was as low as it gets, it has improved, possibly from a Grade E to a C-.
Lots more room for improvement, no point in setting targets now, its effectively out of our hands, but what is in our hands is to churn out as many wins as possible before the split, if its bottom 6 then its time to try out quite a few, if we're in the top 6 but out of reach try the same, if there is the slightest chance of 4th and its an Old Firm cup final then they have to carry on churning out.
Hearts are in a lot of debt, to put down a sound base it may take some time, in between we will just have to be patient, and enjoy our Pizza.
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 20/02/2008 13:40:07
67#

Fair point - but come the split where ever we are that is the time to bring a new manager and let him get on with sorting things out for next season.

PS assuming we are going to appoint a new Manager
68

Salvatori,

20/02/2008 13:41:08
We've already had the "We need to take 15 from our next 5", damn "12 from our next 4", balls, "9 from our next 3" hyperbole.

We've had absolutely no consistency this season and I can't see where it it necessarily going to come from. If we make the top 6, I'll eat my virtual shorts.Embra
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 13:50:41
Good point Anton. Is it foggy doon in Pilton?
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Bhoyed,

20/02/2008 13:54:15
What are you all flapping about? It was bound to happen sooner or later because of the rotation system that is in place in the SPL's 2nd and 3rd tiers.

Traditionally as follows, but not allways:
Tier 2 = Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Motherwell.
Tier 3 = Falkirk, Kilmarnock, ICT, etc.

There is the occasional promotion from tier 3 to tier 2, as Motherwell have done this year, but there is also the occasional demotion, as Hearts are doing this year.

Although you were fed the nonsense of league championships and Champs League football, no one outside planet Gorgie believed you, therefore learn to live with it. Enjoy the highs when challenging for 3rd, but accept it when you have a bad season that you will finish 6,7,8 etc and know your place in Scottish football.

Hail Hail.

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It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 13:57:53
#60

It's a pity that you don't have any fans with testicles down Tiny way at the moment or you could have gone through with your boycott, but not many with spines support the Hearts

Pity

You will just have to put up with whatever the Vladmiester wants.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 13:58:55
#75 Kris, there was some sense in there, some, to echo your post there are top tier posts, 2nd tier posts and bottom tier posts, you've just advanced from the bottom to the 2nd, congratulations.

73

Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:04:33
Bhoyed # 75

I really hate to admit it but there is some sense in what you say there.

The problem is that some (not all) Hearts fans see themselves as up there with the old firm and certainly far bigger than any other teams in the league. They cant quite seem to understand that Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen all have similar supports, histories ect. (before the Jambos jump all over this, I know they have one more cups than Hibs. But Queens Parj have won more than Hearts!)
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:06:09
And with spelling like in my post 78 Im about to be relegated to tier 3 of posts!
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 14:11:33
#76 Spot on... they are all a cross between Jellyfish and Lemmings down Gorgie way...
76

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:15:04
#80 Edinburgh's Most Finest (EMF...unbelievable) i didn't know you are a cross dressing consultant? Respect!!

Are you in charge of those empty seats down at Easter Raod on match days ?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:22:43
#78, 79 Lenny, sometimes we have to take our medicine, though I would like to think the structuring of Hearts at the moment will lift them into a no mans land between the OF and Hibs, Aberdeen etc.
Of course the onus would then be on these clubs to create something of their own similar to Hearts, if and a big if, successful, which in turn would possibly create a bit more pressure on the OF and the narrowing of the gap.
Notice Kris didnt mention the natural order of the top 2.
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 14:28:21
#81 Can you not read? It's Edinburghs Finest not Edinburghs Most Finest.... jeez you really are making a tw*t of yourself today..suppose thats what happens when they allow the special needs class access to the "Computya"....
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Lenny,

20/02/2008 14:30:02
Chas

I hate to say it but the current structuring at Hearts could well leave you in no-mans land. But not one between the Old Firm and the rest.

If anything, one could argue that the current infastructure at Hibs could see us emerge as the 3rd force in the next few years (almost no debt, new training ground, soon to be complete stadium etc)
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Disco Drisco,

20/02/2008 14:31:38
The comment under the picture is fecking spot on:-

WARNING!!!!!!!!!!! - Stephen Frail.

He's one ugly mo fo.
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Edward ian,

20/02/2008 14:31:53
Can anyone really see the Hearts do better than ninth,
certainly not me,
82

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 14:34:26
81

this is your most successful day on this forum........you made a new wee pal to talk sci fi with and go to the eec next time there is a star wars convention in town.......don't get too carried away
83

Edward ian,

20/02/2008 14:35:16
Hibs fans find Hearts threads much more laughable,
Thats why we use them,
84

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:36:38
#87

I'll give them 8th place but only if Kilmarnock keep Jeffries as Manager.
85

Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:37:42
#85
Lenny what you say is all very well in theory however with farmer and petrie at the helm this is about as far forward as hibs will get, in fact they may have reached their peak last year when they still had a lot of the players.

Petrie inparticular, has sold and will continue to sell all your best players, and these players will always want away, reason being is hibs refuse to pay a decent wage. Dont get me wrong its good in theory and i agree footballers are overpaid they should be happy to wear a shirt with pride no matter how much they get paid, unfortunately its not like that anymore, until petrie and the hibs board show a higher level of ambition then hibs will always be in the position they are now without progress
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Bhoyed,

20/02/2008 14:38:04
#82 "Notice Kris didnt mention the natural order of the top 2".

This unfortunately is also rotated.

PS. Who are what does "Kris" mean?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:38:16
#84, 85 Well thats the negative way of looking at it. I'm not going down the Yamanomic and Hobocounant route today, but at some point somebody has to show some ambition other than keeping the club on a level footing to be walked over by them in the West.
If the businesses, such as hotel, casino, corporate entertainment etc become fruitful, it gives Hearts something else other than football behind them.
Bolton I think renamed their stadium as the Reebok for quite a sum and indeed all over US they rename regularly.
It will be quite a debt, but I dont see how any club is going to advance and make Scottish football more interesting without risk.
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20/02/2008 14:40:11
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89

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:40:23
#81 what wee pal....and how do you know that I get my hair cut at Star Trek conventions?
90

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:40:57
83 Edinburghs moist Finest, wasn't "Computya" the one that went solo from the sugababes?
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 14:42:27
#92 Sorry, I thought that was your name. You'll be pleased though I suppose Rangers have more trophies to their name, pity they never too made it through and only Celtic got there.
92

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:43:58
#97 I think Kris Bhoyed should get more of a game at rangers, its criminal.
93

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:44:32
#91

Hibs are making progress as is seen with the new training ground (Fully paid for) and with the New East Stand in place for next season, they have put the infrasctructure in place to succeed.

On the park, we now have some more good lads coming through the ranks so we'll have to just wait and see.

It's a race to see who gets the New stand up first.
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Hoogel,

20/02/2008 14:48:24
#93 I think you missed Lenny's point.
Which as I read it is; when the the new stand is built at Easter Road and the debt finally paid off, there will be significant funds released to the club's finances, as there will be no need for further capital spend on the stadium and the training facility is paid for.
That leaves the opportunity to increase wages and attract a better standard of player to Hibs. Whether that happens or not is open to conjecture, but it certainly raises the possibility.



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Roscoe P Coltrane,

20/02/2008 14:49:44
#50 - Victor, I'd rather be hanging around that end of Princes Street to go to CCs or Ego with "them" than the Leith San Siro with "them"......
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:50:48
#99
New training complexes dont pay players wages, your missing the point. As for youngsters many teams go through spells of producing very talented youngsters Hearts did it frequently in the late 80's 90's and still are bringing through some granted not as many, Motjherwell have gone through phases where a few good quality players have emerged all at once, what happens when the talent dries up for a few years? its not an ever ending conveyor belt of talented players.

The new stand is not the important issue yes increased match day revenue, the biggest aspect of the Tynie redevolpment and someone touched on it earlier is the hotel/bars/gym/superstore and shops as well as accomodation. These are all extra revenue which will continue to come into HMFC whether we play a match or not. Yes its going to be a huge debt overall, but in time this will be paid off through all the extra revenue generated a lot quicker than it would if we only had an increased stadium.
97

Dublin.Hibs,

20/02/2008 14:51:43
why all this talk of casuals roscoe, i thought that died out in the 90's
98

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 20/02/2008 14:53:46
#102

See post 100

And we'll see if the council approve these plans originally for a Stand only but now with the add-ons included.

Only time will tell.
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:54:59
#100
Where is this information coming from there will be extra funds available when the stand is built???

The money for hibs new stand has already been put aside (According to a hibs shareholder friend of mine) i was told this last year. And what is it with the same expression "Next to no debt" or "Virtually no debt" as ive said before do your sums what has come into your club ion the last 18 months and how little debt you had to pay off 18 months ago, Hibs should be showing a + balance now. Funds if they were to be made available would have already been made available. Face the facts it isnt going to happen under Petrie or Farmer
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Gorgie's Finest,

20/02/2008 14:59:57
#104
We have spoke about this many a times on these forums RE. the tynecastle plans.

The council and HMFC were in negotiations throughout the whole process, why? becasue as was stated by HMFC they wanted to make sure when the plans were submitted they would already meet with council approval. No point spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on one of the best stadium architects around and drawing up plans for them to be knocked back once twice or more for silly little adjustments.

Or in laymans terms

When you take your car for a pre mot You expect them to tell you everything thats wrong so you can get it fixed and all correct for when you MOT it, you do this and stick to what you have been told needs done and it sales through the MOT.
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:01:33
#100 It was my understanding of the Hibs situation that they were loaned a significant amount of dosh to get out of jail and now its time to call up the bank as John Leslie one of Hibs finest! would have said on Wheel of Fortune.
Are Hibs not wary of finding themselves in such a position again?
In any case both teams need each other to feed off, to use a Hibby word FACT.
One without the other wouldn't be very good.
Anyhow the point was about Hearts on a Hearts story and I'm quite patient, I'm willing to wait awhile, and suffer the ridicule of those "In the Know".
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Edinburghs Finest,

20/02/2008 15:02:55
#102 I thought you werent allowed to build accomodation??... it must be some expensive Gym membership to pay off that debt... or perhaps its all just a load of old sheeeite....
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:07:42
#108 I wonder how your opinion might differ if Hibs were to build a hotel, though its more likely to be a doss house, I know.
Dont think anyone believes we will split the Ugly Sisters permanently, but we can surely put more pressure on them and operate stand alone profit making businesses which will strengthen the club as a whole, I dont see whats wrong with that, in time the thing will pay for itself.
Footballs changed, its not all about the team on the park anymore, I'd tend to go with your sentiments about that being most important to me as a fan, but I'm realistic about the future of football as a whole, can you say the same?
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:09:33
face it europes over 3rd 4th placed teams have points in bag just to catch them you would have to win four games in a row and they to lose all these games top six outside chance because your still relying on teams above you to do you a favour if caley win tonight they go six in front of you if well win 3rd is out of sight as a hibby i hope draw at least on sat so we can catch them for 3rd as our game in hand is against well
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:13:00
george what team did you watch in 80s 90s hearts produce very few young players is that the same 80 s that got you relegated twice once you didnt even come back up for 2 years big year 86 when your bottle crashed in last game then humped in cup final what did youse do then oh i sacked the manager similar to now burley gets you top of league so you sack him
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 20/02/2008 15:13:03
george what team did you watch in 80s 90s hearts produce very few young players is that the same 80 s that got you relegated twice once you didnt even come back up for 2 years big year 86 when your bottle crashed in last game then humped in cup final what did youse do then oh i sacked the manager similar to now burley gets you top of league so you sack him
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Chas Niceass,

20/02/2008 15:14:00
#112 Probably 3rd or 4th is out of reach for both of us, but the league doesn't end at the split, theres another 15 points beyond that.
Seems unlikely either Hearts or Hibs have the consistency to peg back Well or United who are there on merit, both are better than either Edinburgh side, this year at least.