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Published Date:
14 January 2008
ARGENTINIAN midfielder Fernando Screpis is threatening to report Hearts to FIFA as he remains ensconced in South America with no idea if he is wanted at Tynecastle.
The 28-year-old claims Hearts are refusing to give a definitive answer on his future despite him being contracted to the club on a three-and-a-half-year deal, which began on January 1.
THREAT: Fernando Screpis
THREAT: Fernando Screpis

Screpis, who holds an Italian passport, has asked Tynecastle officials for clarification on his situation several times since completing a six-month spell at FBK Kaunas last month. He expected to move to Scotland after Christmas but is bemused by an apparent lack of communication from senior management.

Should Hearts fail to fulfil their obligations to him, the player intends to lodge a complaint with world football's governing body, FIFA. He signed the three-and-a-half year deal during Hearts' pre-season tour of Austria on the understanding he would spend six months with Vladimir Romanov-sponsored Kaunas until it took effect on January 1.

He remains set on moving to Edinburgh but is now anxious to know if he is still wanted by Romanov and is urging the club to reach a decision.

He said today: "I am unsure if Hearts want me as a player or not. What I am sure of is that I have a three-and-a-half-year contract with them which started on January 1. I have it in front of me. If I can't get an answer from Hearts I will go to FIFA because I want to fulfil this contract. I want to be a Hearts player.

"The way they do business is very strange. Pedro Lopez (deputy chief executive] called me four or five times when he was in Argentina last year, begging me to join Hearts. At that time there was an Italian team and a team from Greece asking about me but I agreed to go to Scotland.

"Now no-one at Hearts can tell me if they want me or not. I don't want to go to Hearts if I am not wanted there, but my intention is to play for this club. That's why I signed for three-and-a-half years. They need to tell me what will happen."

Screpis impressed as a trialist in Hearts' 2-1 friendly defeat of Austria Vienna last July and then agreed to the short-term move to Kaunas. He helped them to the Lithuanian A-Lyga title, but his future is now shrouded in uncertainty.

He continued: "I spent time in Lithuania – it was a good experience – but now I want to perform at a higher level. I should be in Scotland now but I don't know if I will ever get there."

Romanov is currently entertaining high-ranking delegates from Hearts and his Ukio Bankas Investment Group in Lithuania. Campbell Ogilvie, operations director at Tynecastle, has been accompanied to the Baltic state for a two-day meeting by Romanov's UK representative Charlie Mann as well as financial controllers from UBIG.

On the agenda are several Hearts-related issues, including signing targets, potential candidates for the club's managerial vacancy and progress with the redevelopment of Tynecastle.



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  • Last Updated: 14 January 2008 11:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 11:56:24
What's new.
2

moon glorious 1874,

herts 14/01/2008 12:00:24
screpis has got no chance finding out what is going on. vlad will leave everything to the last minute as usual, then at 5 to 12 on the last day of january we all will get our usual suprise delivery from lithuania. sorry fernando we are in the dark too mate, just don`t hold yer breath.
3

victor ian,

14/01/2008 12:03:32
crivens!!!

let the gnashing of teeth begin.
4

Taras Shevchenko,

14/01/2008 12:14:45
#2 well said!!
5

Addie,

Plymouth 14/01/2008 12:22:19
Signing targets? I thought this was down to the manager? If Romanov is intent of 'leaving everything to the manager' then surely the recruitment of a manager should be the only concern on footballing matters. Then potential players should be the priority with the manager making the decision.
6

Lionheart Fodithman,

14/01/2008 13:09:42
Where,s the Administrator ?????
7

East at Easter,

Musselburgh 14/01/2008 13:11:09
Another player who has found out the harsh lesson of being invloved in the Ukio nonsense.
8

Hibby Mike,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 13:21:07
What a complete and utter farce of a club!! Do Hearts conduct any aspect of their business in a professional and respectable manner?
9

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 13:21:15
If he has a contract with Hearts, why not just turn up at the training ground one morning?
Seems an odd way to be doing things though - but if Lopez is on holiday I wonder who he's been talking to about his future?


I suppose it's good news that they are actually talking about managers but I still reckon it's too late to save this season - they'll be lucky to have the guy in before the weekend, even then 4 big games before the end of the month doesn't give him much time to assess the squad, identify and bring in players. Another missed opportunity Vlad, I put that as number 642 since you took over. Ah well, I guess if we get a real manager in everything will be alright again won't it?
10

Old Reekies Big Team,

14/01/2008 13:24:10
Mixu full of inspiration as usual. Found any friends yet or even a girlfriend?
11

KingKenny,

14/01/2008 13:25:57
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/7187338.stm

Olivier Tebily leave Birmingham City. Hearts consider Tebily. This guy can help hearts defence
12

Skiver,

14/01/2008 13:26:23
He probably can't get any answers since this nugget Lopez is away on holiday.

Absolute farce.
13

Old Reekies Big Team,

14/01/2008 13:26:48
Hibby Mike yes we still treat Hibs with the professional contempt that they deserve
14

roseburn jambo,

14/01/2008 13:28:53
can any one tell me if b.anderson has ever wrote anything positive about hmfc or is he too much of a hibee to see anything good in tynie,there is some good not a lot but some
15

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 13:36:05
Maybe Romanov is waiting to maximise spin about him being one of the major signings as promised???

New manager not going to have much of a say on new signings with deadline closing in couple of weeks.

Why is Charlie Mann not more vocal, it's his job to communicate isn't it?
16

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 13:41:14
#11 Of course he's not. He'll have spent another weekend sitting alone in a furniture shop, polishing his truncheon and thinking up hilarious comments to put on this website. See how keen he was to get his first comment in today - that's dedication to Hearts! And it took him all weekend to think it up, worth the effort I reckon - it's the first time he's ever got his punctuation right...
17

busbyfh,

14/01/2008 13:42:46
From excerpts we have read over the last few months - Screpis seems to be yet another bloke buggered about by the VR administration system. A few of our under 19's were last summer as well.
18

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 14/01/2008 13:46:37
To all the Hibbie planks posting on this thread, you must have noticed that in spite of his frustration, this lad wants to play for Hearts.
I don't see any decent players jumping up and down to joing the Leith mob. Maybe Mixu will re register as a player and add to his "legend" status at Easter Road.
Justs you worry about coming up to Gorgie on Saturday, because we are going to ram you good and proper.
19

Hobo Harry,

14/01/2008 13:54:50
#20 Scorchio. Temper temper, maybe you are right about the up-coming game, if you are wrong I'll be sure to remind you next week of what you said......
20

busbyfh,

14/01/2008 14:01:15
In the same vein :

This time last year Hearts were about to sign two foreign players - both internationals that were playing for their respective countries during that period.
Due to red tape they were refused entry/contracts but were given a reprieve with the decision allowed to be
ratified by an SFA council that could give the go ahead if they so wished. Shock upon shock - They said NO and basically shafted Hearts.
Jump now to the present.......Celtic try signing a Japanese player (who resembles a young Jackie Chan). Celtic are also told NO , but to try again via an SFA tribunal .
WHAT A F****** SHOCK - THE TRIBUNAL THIS TIMES SAYS YES - ON YOU GO CELTIC.
Yet another WEEGIE fiddle ran by the SFA/SPL - Why a fiddle ? - The three man comittee comprised of two ex Celtic employees/players.
21

Lenny,

14/01/2008 14:01:54
Scorchio

Thats nice to hear, the more Jambos predicting that Hearts are gonna hammer us the better. You wont see me making any brash predictions though. Anything can happen in Derby matches. What I will say however is Hearts are certainly not a team to fear any more. A fact which really seems to be lost on many Jambo's.
22

Prof,

14/01/2008 14:08:25
#23 So in that case Hibs, given their recent riveting form, will simply turn up and take all the points!
I seem to remember a few Hibbies making similar noises last year and the year before.
23

Chas Niceass,

14/01/2008 14:11:47
Possibly an oversight, under new management, or more likely the chance to save on wages, accomodation. Another storm in a tea cup.
Wheres our Webster money, now thats a real scandal
24

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 14:17:59
#24 How do you know he's not getting paid?
25

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 14:24:39
#23 I agree. When it comes to derby matches, recent form doesn't come into it - both sides have got a point to prove. I know that the Hibs players will be well fired up for it, I hope that the Hearts players are but who knows? The thing about Hearts these days, on the pitch at least, if that you never know which side is going to turn up - the flying-out-the-blocks, fast, aggressive team or the can't-really-be-arsed, playing-out-of-position team. If it's the latter then we don't pose a threat to anyone, if it's the former then we've got a game on our hands...
26

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 14:28:16
#28 That's what the story says.
27

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 14:31:14
#28 Besides, his contract with Hearts is only 2 weeks old. He's probably not even due to be paid yet!
28

huggs,

14/01/2008 14:32:32
Mixu you are a sad pr1ck sitting refreshing your computer to be first on a Hearts thread
A Hearts hater not a Hibs supporter get a life sad sacks
29

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 14:38:09
#33

"I am unsure if Hearts want me as a player or not."
"no-one at Hearts can tell me if they want me or not"
"I don't want to go to Hearts if I am not wanted there"
"They need to tell me what will happen"
"I should be in Scotland now but I don't know if I will ever get there"

Based on those quotes, I suspect he doesn't know if Hearts want him - not a single mention of owed wages that I can see.
30

Lenny,

14/01/2008 14:40:00
# 25 Prof

Eh? Did you even read what I said. I said I wont be making any predictions and that anything can happen. I certainly DID NOT say Hibs just had to turn up to win.

Some of you Jambo's are right odd!!
31

Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

packing for the return to Oz 14/01/2008 14:43:03
I think the real question Hearts fans should be asking here is; Is this guy and cop at all?
He's coming from a state league team in Argentina, which means he could be any where from our first division down to Juniors level in terms of the quality he's in amongst there, does that sound like a star a 'big' club with ambition really wants?
He's basically frustrated cos he's feels ripped off, he only went to Kaunas to bide his time before his Hearts contract kicked in, yet now he's waited for 6 months there no-one has told him whats going on. That's just plain bad manners from somebody on the coaching staff down Tynecastle way, dont you think?
he article does make a mountain out of this mole hill though, it's really not a very big deal at all...
32

LyonHearts,

le teil 14/01/2008 14:48:15
Shoddy way to treat a player and I am embarassed to be a Hearts fan when we treat people this way!

Same thing with Brellier and how many other players have been left in the dark?

Way too many on the books and the organisation is - well, non existant by the looks of things!

This guy could do a great job for Hearts, but what happens? He's left not knowing what to think while duff Lithuanians get selected everyweek - and we are second bottom of the league!
33

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 15:25:52
tommytommy your fixated about hearts finances.No where in that article does it say he is not being payed. Read it properly he is unhappy because he has a 3 and a hlaf year contrct and is not at Hearts yet. He wants to know if he is wanted or not.Your such a moron continually bringing finances or money into a debate about hearts, and continually making up your own story, try for once to debate the actual topic and use real facts instead of adding your own into a debate if thats at all possible
34

Newcastle Jambo,

14/01/2008 15:30:03
#38 TommyTommy, good question. The answer is that many of the regulars on here are the heids in the sand intellectually challenged who think along the lines of Herts = good, anyone knocking Hertz = "Hobo".

This article is just another example of the pathetic way that Romanov runs the club. He treats everyone with total disrespect.

The "delegation" appears to me to be Campbell Ogilvy, who must surely be the only voice of reason at Tynecastle, being carpeted in Lithunian by His Madness to be told some home truths. It would not surprise me one bit if all the stuff about now wanting to appoint a manager with control over team matters (i.e. to allow the team to be run the way every other British club is) in direct contrast to the shamolic mess of the past 2.5 years is just spin and that Romanov will continue to decide personally on who will be signing by watched agents' dvds and to personally pick the team despite never attending matches.
35

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2008 15:32:09
38 & 40. Good points but do you know that this is gospel? At no point does it say that Banderson tried to contact HMFC press officer for comment. On past experience this interview could be a month or so old.
36

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 14/01/2008 15:43:41
#40 NJ you should try and be a little more balanced in some of the comments you make.
As someone you would term "a heid in the sand" supporter, can I ask you this...If Romanov treats everyone with disrespect, can you draw up a list of players and managers who asked for a transfer or severance package since he bought the club.
Yours..intellectually challenged "Scorchio"
37

Jambo83,

West Lothian 14/01/2008 15:46:55
#6 Addie from Plymouth:

ARE YOU FOR REAL??

Do you think Walter Smith, Gordon Strachan, or even Alex Ferguson can go out and buy a player without consulting the Chairman/Chief Exec?!

Get a grip you low-life, managers compile a "wanted list" and hand it over to the guys on the board and hope they sanction it. Don't know if Plymouth manager's get a cheque book and authority to spend at will, but it doesn't happen anywhere else.
38

Lenny,

14/01/2008 15:48:54
Scorchio

I would imagine that Money talks. Many of the players at Tynecastle may be unhappy with the politics and going on's down Gorgie. But the majority are very well paid. Could be why they are more than happy to keep their mouth shut and just get on with it.

39

Newcastle Jambo,

14/01/2008 15:53:47
#42 - the list is too long my friend and I don't have time!
40

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 15:55:58
#40 NJ
Would like to say its nice to see you back after the festive season however having been called intellectually challenged and having my head in the so called sand because I disagree with tommyTommy's own "Personal opinion" i won't.
Had you been on these threads the last couple of weeks you will have seen the fixation he has about Hearts finances, he when he has been proven wrong he wont admit to it. when presenteed by explanations and asked to provide his own he has refused. This is not only from me but a lot of Fans posting on here i might add.

Yes its fine to have your opinions and debate them however when these opinions turn into obsessions they become a little annoying to many fans. not that Im saying you have any obsessions NJ ;-)

This guy hides his obvious resentment of Heart of Midlothian Football Club in his false concerns. It becoming clear he is obsessed with seeing Hearts go out of business or go to the wall through administation or means of that kind.

On the Head in the sand comment. Because not all Hearts fans share your "Personal" views on Romanov it does not mean we are happy at what has ben and is going on at our club, this does not make fans "Intelectually challenged" as you say all because we do not hold the same views as you do regarding Romanov.
41

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 15:57:07
#40 I still dispise you from the BBC days when i went under the name Crimbotoy and ripped into a few times for your "heid up the erse" mentality.

Hearts fans are more than aware of what is going on at our club and we dont need told from muppets like you who's only purpose in life seems to be showing us the error of our ways.

I am a "supporter" unlike the old firm fans i follow my local team and i will support them no matter who is in charge. You pretend to make a stance against vlad which is my opinion an excuse to cover the fact that you are a part time supporter.

Vlad has many faults we all know that, so as to how you comming on day after day to tell us that is going to help the situation is beyond me.

If we were to win the league or challenge for honours on a regular basis you would be back like the rest of them so dont give me the "i wont return until this man is gone" cr*p.

You make any hibs fans day with your constant drivel. the hibs fans are on in numbers again after a win at the weekend assuming that all is now well, and they call us diluded. Vlad may well ahve learnt his lesson only time will tell.

You have been baging on for a while about getting vlad out so i would like you to tell me exactly how you would get rid of him and where the magical fairys are going to drop off the buy out money.
42

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 15:58:52
#38 TommyTommy

The article says he has a contract with Hearts from 1 Jan, but hasn't heard anything about starting. I'm not defending that lack of communication, I suspect Vlad just wants to do his grand unveiling of a load of players at once which is why Screpis hasn't appeared at Tynecastle yet - but yes, someone should have told him the situation rather than letting him go running to the papers.
But you're reading too much into it. It doesn't say he hasn't been paid, and - as I said before - there's every chance he isn't even due money yet, his contract is only 2 weeks old. I'm not saying that the club have behaved well, and I am fed up with these sorts of stories surfacing - it shouldn't be a big deal, and if the club spoke to it's players these things would never happen.
If you were simply saying "they've not told him what's going on - that's not good enough" then I'd agree with you - but you've leapt to the conclusion that he's owed money and that's the point I'm questioning. You've made a lot of comments about Hearts finances in the last few days, most of which have been pure speculation - in truth none of us know whats going on, but why do you assume that means there's something underhand happening?
43

Vlad Magic,

14/01/2008 16:00:58
Erm hang on a second here.

Screpis does not know if he is wanted at Hearts or not. Do we have a manager in place yet who will have full control of team selection, potential targets etc etc etc. NO we dont. Now this isnt a debate about whether or not this manager will happen, my point is the reason Screpis is in the shadows so to speak about his future at Hearts is that said manager isnt here yet to make THAT decision. Yes Screpis has a contract which started in Jan 1st but the decisions only a manager can make, cant be made because we dont have one YET.

I feel sorry for Screpis as he's done his time in Lithuania and obviously wants to play for Hearts. Just a case of bad timing re the managers situation.

44

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 14/01/2008 16:01:37
N.J...I'm looking for some evidence that Romanov treats "everyone with total disrespect". If you can't back up statements like the one above, just say so, don't scurry away or hide behind an excuse like you give in post #45. It does your credibilty no good at all.
#44 Lenny, I think there is some level of disquite and friction between groups/individuals, but you just can't go and blame it all on Romanov. Collective resposibility and all that!
45

Newcastle Jambo,

14/01/2008 16:01:43
# 46, fair point.

I withdraw my intellectually challenged remark.

I also don't despise anyone posting here, regardless of their views.

Cheers.
46

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 14/01/2008 16:07:18
NJ Good on you chum.
47

Lenny,

14/01/2008 16:08:04
# 50 Scorchio

Yeah, you are probably correct there. I think that Pedro Lopez in particular has a lot to answer to. But my point being that many people (not just football players) may be unhappy in their jobs but bottom line is money talks. For example, I would imagine Frail may have walked a good while ago if he wasnt on a good wage.

Just my opinion obviously, nothing to back that up.
48

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 16:14:54
#54 If you want to go back to that debate, why not respond to my question here:
http://sport.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Aguiar-hands-Jambos-a-timely.3663550.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#2363977
49

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 16:15:15
NJ. respect for at least admitting you were wrong and withdrawing the statement. Not all people that post would.
And like you say i too do not despise anyone who has a view, where i do get very protective of HMFC is when certain cretins continually like to use personal opinions and false statements to try and win an unwinable argument, and when they find it amusing and/or wishfull thinking our club goes to the wall. At the end of the day HMFC is not just a football club it has employees as well and i don't just mean the players Im talking about everyone from the tea lady to the Chairman. Wishing everyday normal people out of a job is despicable, and just goes to show how hatred leads to ignorance.
50

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 16:19:57
#54
you were tols the other day what assets we have in another post you have also been continually told the debt could or could not be 40million (Again this is personal specualtion) at the last agm it was put forward a motion to ALLOW the facility to increase to 40million if required which was passed. The financial figures will be due out in approx 3 weeks lets see what they say.

Now isnt it about time you did what has been asked of you by many and provide your evidence (Not speculation or personal views) but hard factual documented evidence to support the allegations you have continually made. Or will you just hide away again and re-apear on another post spouting your same sh1te
51

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 16:21:23
#51 I will be honest and say i dont care if you have never despised anyone due to an opinion. you ahve made a rod for your own back by constantly banging on the same drum. I honestly think you would be glad we went under just so you could say "told you so".

The phrase dont air your dirty laundry in public should ring a bell. Hibs up until they got hold of mixu looked to be in dire straits ( may still be) yet i was toiling to find one that was as willing as you to shat on their team from a great height.

If you are only doing this out of concern then surely you muat have a viable plan b that will kick in thus resuming your support for the mighty jambos? What do you suggets? Dont just say get rid of vlad ffs. I agree he can be mental but at the end of the day this is who we are stuck with. Dont ever kid yourself that save our hearts ever saved anything.

52

bonspeil,

14/01/2008 16:33:57
If I was Screpis I'd have a word with my agent. Romanov's got enough of a track record now in his dealings with players that it doesn't take much research to find out if going to Hearts would be a good move or not - particularly via Kaunas. But all agents and players see sometimes are pound signs.

Anyhow, it's hardly a good move to threaten reporting your new club to FIFA before you've even turned up for your first day!

The only players I feel genuinely sorry for are Johnson, Hackett and Besja who looked promising but weren't given a chance and were shipped out. Lee Johnson in particular could have been a good player for us. But lots of clubs do that - a new manager or owner arrives and players are put on the transfer list for no obvious reason, or frozen out .
53

GrahamL,

14/01/2008 16:41:22
TommyTommy

Fine, so you admit it's your opinion, despite having no evidence to back it up. Grand, it's a free country - you're entitled to your opinion. I am also entitled to mine, which is that there is no illegal dealings behind this story, just a player who wants to be told whats going on. Agree to disagree?

You think that the main item on the agenda at the meeting is a lack of cash. I will assume this is another groundless opinion, again you're entitled to your view. My view is that I'm not aware of any cashflow issues at Hearts, nor do I see a reason for there to suddenly be any.
54

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 16:43:51
#59 Why do you have such an interest in hearts? why is it that everyday come rain or shine you are on with your financial knowledge.

I am a jambo who has an interest in the club and even i dont care that much about the finance's as i cannot have any effect on that side of things. You may argue that i could not go to games but seeing as i am season ticket holder, vlad already has my money.

Is it the case that you are trying your level best to awaken us sleeping jambos and in turn save us from certain doom? What if we just tell you to ram your "advice"? Why not contact the club and see if you can get a job? You put yourself over as one who knows an awful lot about hearts so you would surely be ideal for the job.
55

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 16:50:06
#36 i normally have a lot of time for you as you seem balanced but on this occasion you have made yourself look like a wee bairn.

I said "Hibs up until they got hold of mixu LOOKED to be in dire straits" you have read this and went on your hibby high horse and made yourself look simple.

I was actually defending hibbys as i was stating that even though you lot were as bad as us i couldnt find a fan that was willing to shat all over the team.

You have taken that and managed to turn it into me supposidly slagging hibs. This is a hearts thred pal and you must be searching it for any mention of hibs so as you can retrot. The final show of your age was the dig at the end "Hearts on the other hand........actually I don't know where to start."

If i had ripped hibs by all means have a go but ffs worry more about your own club.
56

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 16:50:45
Sorry above is for post #63
57

Newcastle Jambo,

14/01/2008 16:51:08
#58 Why exactly can't the viable plan B be get rid of Romanov? I see no reason why people shouldn't vent their frustrations without having a point by point solution each time.

In an ideal world I wouldn't have any Russian oligarchs who became super rich by ripping off their country's natural resources and assets in the chaos of the post-Soviet collapse. That way Hearts might have been bought by a legitimate organisation /owner who cared about football and treated the fans, players and the media with respect and not contempt. We can all dream........
58

JAL to Easter Road,

14/01/2008 16:52:10
#61 too right he should look at whether it's a good move. Then he should calmour for Hibs, after all, why wouldn't he want to go to Hibs instead. I can see no reason.
59

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 16:59:15
tommoytommy
I will not repeat what you were told in another post a few days ago. If your too lazy or stupid to go looking for my reply to the same question you asked today thats not my fault. That question being "What assets do we have"

Nice to see you finally admit your rantings are based purely on personal opinion ill sleep better tonight knowing that, I was worried you may actually be the administrator in charge the amount of times and posts you have made the last week or so with drivel about administration etc.
60

Spencer's Boy,

14/01/2008 17:02:32
Tommy Tommy

You are not getting to grips with this debt question. Financially Hearts are bearing the legacy of the Robinson tenure which is now coming home to roost.

What do you suggest Romanov does? Write a cheque for £40m to UBIG to clear off the debt (largely inherited from previous administration let's not forget) so you can sleep more easilly and are not infatuated by "£40m" of debt.

Yes it's a large debt but it does appear to be acceptable at this time. Romanov can't just walk awayt for reasons that were outlined to you last week. UKIG are the largest creditor of the business. Accordingly Administration would appear highly unlikely as it could take UKIG down with the bath they are likely to take.

Romanov is asset stripping is he??? Perhaps we should go back to the days of ownership with "real Hearts tradition" like Messrs Deans & Robinson. That would be better than this right enough. Constantly selling of your best players for less than market value - Alan McLaren, Neil McCann, Colin Cameron, Anti Niemi, Gary Naysmith etc etc. Faced with the prospect of playing in front of 4,000 fans at Murrayfield.


Get real man. You should be asking how the previous regime increased the debt from <£2m to over £20m in 10 years whilst taking in transfer fees for the aforementioned players.
61

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 17:03:23
#67 Come on m8 ffs you cant be real. That sounds more like an episode of friends. To get rid of vlad he must be bought out. Who is going to buy him out? Where these magical men when the deal was signed to go to murrayfield?

How many chairmen have you heard rip up vlad about the way he does business? Do you think vlad is the only chairman who influences the team? Did mixu ask to sign nish or murray? no he never but hibs were in the process of getting those players before mixu signed.

The bottom line is we are losing just now. This is a results based business and as long as results are bad every other aspect of our situation is magnaified.

You argue that you can vent your frustrations without having a solution......are you fooking joking? Thats not venting frustration thats just moaning. "we want change, we dont know what we want or how we will get it but we want change" that sounds like a plan to me, why vlad hasnt sold up is a mystery.
62

Newcastle Jambo,

14/01/2008 17:05:27
On a more serious note to my previous comments, each time that stories like this one appear (and there have been so many) it makes it less and less likely that the club will be capable of progressing much beyond it's current bottom half of the league position. What manager or player with any self-respect or other options would want anything to do with such a shambolic outfit? They could be sent to Eastern Europe one week, then Edinburgh, or told not to come despite signing a contract.And if they do come, they better not upset the owner or they won't be in the team which isn't picked for football reasons as we all know. It's easy to say that's all changed, it will take a long, long time to undo the damage to the club's reputation caused by Romanov over the past 2.5 years and I seriously doubt that it can be undone while he is still in control and the Board consists of his family members of the son of his Russian-based business partner (Lopez).
63

Spencer's Boy,

14/01/2008 17:11:02
#72 AUIG

Get your point. What Romanov is trying to achieve is a mystery to us all. That said he has not got involved to fail imho.

He is looking to open the first branch of Ukio Bankas in UK and has paid > £20m for the former RBS building at 42SAS. I would suggest his wider business interests in UK are just beginning rather than reaching conclusion.

Is he better doing that with his initial UK investment working or failing.......
64

busbyfh,

14/01/2008 17:11:47
This Screpis problem typifies what is wrong with Vlad's footballing empire. He is spread too thin on the ground . He does not have enough "generals" in place to accept autonomy to actually progress anything of importance whatsoever. VR needs to have people in place that he fully trusts to close the correct type of business deals at the correct times.
A bad infrastructure with no strength in depth is an embarrassment - as is this Argentinian carry on.
Delegation Vlad - Delegation. AND remember that behind every screwed about contract , there is a human being.
65

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 17:15:37
#73 The point is that there was nothing of interest to a hibby in this story yet you have clearly trudged through it in the hope that somebody will have slagged a hibby and big rob will come to the rescue.

I had a dig and was midly offensive as i felt you did act like a bairn (on this occasion) by throwing the toys out of the pram and having an un-called for dig.

If a wee bairn gave me personal abuse i would tell his mum so you better not get abusive or i will tell yours!

As i said i have a lot of time for you normally as this is not the type of nonsense you involve yourself but on this occasion rob sadly you did.
66

Jigsaw,

14/01/2008 17:21:27
The hearts supporters believe what they want to believe,
just as they dismiss what they want,
Facts run the world,
67

Jigsaw,

14/01/2008 17:23:43
As rod stewart once sung 'every picture tells a story'
hearts are eleventh from twelve.
68

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 17:26:15
#67 NJ
This is where you fall down in estimations with regards to posts. If you actually knew how Vlad became so wealthy you would know that what he did is an everyday occurance in a democratic/capitalist state. It was only illegal due to the communist rule. So by you not being happy with what he did is it safe to assume you are therefore a communist? or communist sympathiser?

The steel/coal production company that he owns now gave all its employees 1Share each as a bonus, this one share was totally worthless, Vlad went round each and every employee and bought the one share from each, he had the foresight to see these would be valuable eventually when put altogether.At the time under communism laws it was illegal to own more than 1share in any given company. After the fall of communism and capitalism took over he then used those shares to his advantage this made him the owner of that said company, part of owning that campany was a stake in Ukio Bankas, this is how he became part owner of the bank. He used the profits he made selling elvis records etc from the boot of his car to finance the buying of each share.

As you can see nothing wrong as far as a capitialist westernised country is concerned. And you can't begrudge someone trying to make a living for himself and his family.
69

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 17:32:39
#77 I was talking about your results much in the same way hearts are supposed to be in turmoil again due to our league run.

Tango man was never in the running but as you say at least he definatly cant come. I have to believe he will otherwise i will go on a killing spree.
70

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 17:44:01
82, Levein wouldnt take the job. I have spoken with him in various bookies around fife and he doesnt like the setup at Hearts and is extremely happy at DUFC. I think it will be JJ. In my opinion, we need to install the manager tomorrow to have any chance of winning the derby. Our defence is a joke at the moment and teams are steamrolling us at the back.
71

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 17:46:48
On Screpis, I think its absolutely shocking how this guy has been treated. He's obviously been told he has a contract in place. Hopefully this article will make Hearts contact Screpis and get him over here.
72

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 17:47:47
#82 I will be honest and say that i dont want either of them. Been, seen and done as far as i am concerned. Jim brought us the scottish cup but after that he brought little else. Still a legend but i dont want him back.

Levein left a bad taste in my mouth with the way he left (middle of a euro tour) and the slagged us in the press when he was at leicester, yet seemed open to being suggested for a return when he was sacked.

We need a leader who has no connection to hearts of old as we are no longer that team or club for that matter. Whoever it is must have a clause written into their contract that should vlad interfere he must pay them 10m from his own fortune. That should make him think, also if he is serious about handing over control he would.
73

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 18:00:03
86, dont get me started about Nade.
74

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 18:00:25
#85
Ill agree with you about Levein leaving a bad taste etc. I didnt like the way he left us in the proverbial either.His personal problems got in the way with business and Hearts suffered as a consequence.He might have been a failure down south but I cant take away what he has done at dufc though.
75

victor ian,

14/01/2008 18:10:43
regarding screpis, i haven't read every post so i don't know if it's been mentioned yet but there is one thing to keep in mind about him. when he was signed, he was diverted to kaunas at the last minute to help them in their champions league qualifiers. at the time they said he was going there until this transfer window and would come to hearts if he looked good enough (that is a different and ironic issue).

his time has now been served at kaunas and it's only a couple of weeks since the window opened. it's not as if he was signed months ago and has been left twiddling his thumbs since.

one thing is for sure, threatening to go to fifa about his plight is not likely to fall on sympathetic ears. i doubt romanov will take too kindly to this.

i am not surprised to see perennial wrist-slasher newcastle jambo taken in hook, line & sinker by perennial nut case tommytommy. i reckon NJ and his wingman johnnyjambo take great delight in seeing negative comments and psuedo-plausible theories about romanov and hearts.

sorry to disappoint you NJ but tommytommy is either a 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' job or at the wind up. he offers no credible ideas, facts, evidence or insight. only barmy claims and guesses.

76

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 18:17:03
just re-read the article. Did Screpis speak directly with the Scotsman because there are no quotes as to who he spoke with? Could the Scotsman be making this up?
77

Hibees forever,

Portobello 14/01/2008 18:18:09
TRANSFER LATEST- from a reliable source!

JULIEN BRELLIER who left norwich last week, (who is very good friends with boozy) is going to enter talks with Hibs about a move in the transfer window, not saying it will happen this week but it could well do by the end of the window.

Wouldnt that be funny, haha, the jambos get mikey 'thinks he's better than he is' stewart and the hibees get brellier. watch this space.
78

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 18:32:04
#91
Either petrie is breaking the bank to sign him or brellier is taking a 75% wage cut. If at all it were true

Sorry but smells like another sewer rat wind up and a total non starter. Cya
79

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 18:35:32
Forget Brellier. This is more hibs level of ambition
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/inverness_ct/7171461.stm
80

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 18:44:41
Couple of Interesting rumours ive picked up.

Forsell is a Hearts target
And Glenn Hoddle has seemingly already spoken to Hearts with regard to managers job, and is on this supposed "Short List"
81

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 18:52:21
#86 Iam a great believer in the old what goes around comes around so who knows. Hopefully not as i think he would have a hard time convincing people he had made the right move taking over a "pub team".

Then again, he was very complimentarly towards hearts on saturday.
82

victor ian,

14/01/2008 18:52:37
don't know if hoddle is even remotely a possibility, i suspect not. if it was possible, he and a couple of other englishmen who have been mentioned would make good sense on a couple of fronts.

1. hoddle and the likes of keegan are top drawer managers who evidently know their stuff.

2. it would serve to raise the profile of the club 'daaan saaaf, innit?'.

unlikely.

83

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 18:53:29
#91 As soon as he was released i though he would be heading to hibs so i wouldnt say this was to far fetched.
84

victor ian,

14/01/2008 18:55:08
please don't let it be collins, please don't let it be collins, please don't let it be collins.
85

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 18:56:43
#88 Great man for hearts and as you say he is doing a great job at utd but for the way in which he left and his comments after he left peeved me.
86

mrhibs07,

14/01/2008 19:02:30
#94 I take it Glen Hoddle can
work a fax machine?

EXCLUSIVE
Big Sam Allardyce spotted hitch
hiking on the A1, near Dunbar.
His destination board had Gorgay
on it.
87

Plantagenet,

14/01/2008 19:03:18
91. That would be nice for you if you sign Brellier for Hibs, then perhaps you could go for Pressley, then maybe swap Murphy to get Paul Hartley. Why stop there, go up to Inverness and sign Wyness, now stick in a bid for Bednar, next port of call Leicester and nab Maybury and Kisnorbo and to complete your business I'm sure you could get Mark DeVries. Now change your colours to Maroon with white sleeves, you guys are never off the Hearts threads so now instead of being second class citizens you can go up the pecking order and become second class Jambos.
88

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:03:30
#98 Now repeat that another 3 times in the mirror at midnight and it will work. Hopefully!
89

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:05:27
#100 He cant be coming to tynie then as tynie is just off of Gorgie, not Gorgay!

I tell you the gags just get better and better.
90

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 19:07:04
Ha-ha-ha.................
you yams never stop to amaze me...........
ha-ha-ha..............
talk of keegan and hoddle in yir dreams........
you lot have to settle on 3rd rate lithuanians........
who you brought in ???????????????????????.......
ha-ha-ha................
91

Hibees forever,

Portobello 14/01/2008 19:08:06
Quite a few folk seem to be taking the mick out of that rumour and it may only turn out as a rumour but i do have that on good authority from someone in the media who is close to things at hibs.

And is it so far fetched when one of his best mates boozy is at hibs and he was linked with hibs before he went to norwich?? All he wants is first team football, which the jambos were too stupid to give him and il be honest i dont know what happened at norwich. we will see.
92

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 19:08:36
tynecastle park = fools paradise....................
ha-ha-ha.......................
93

mrhibs07,

14/01/2008 19:08:55
#103 you should use my way of spelling your name.
94

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 19:10:10
dont know if you hearts fans noticed........
HIBERNIAN 3 VERSUS INVERNESS CALEY THISTLE 0........
95

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 19:10:18
#96
Evening V.I.
Heres the exact quote from the Hoddle Rumour

"Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov is thinking big in his search for a new Head Coach. A source close to Vladimir has confirmed that the appointment, if successful, will be big news in Scotland and will make the Old Firm sit up and take notice that Hearts are serious in their quest for success. Glen Hoddle is the man Romanov wants and initial contact has taken place in London – money will not be an object."

Sounds to good to be true that We could even be thinking about managers of this calibre.
96

victor ian,

14/01/2008 19:13:33
#109 GF, certainly hope he's of a mind to bring in someone of that level, whether it's him or someone else. it would definitely be one in the yak for the flumps.

think of it, we get hoddle, they've got the stay puft marshmallow man out of ghostbusters.

97

Gestapo Staatspølizei 1875,

14/01/2008 19:14:25
Sounds "t?o" good to be true that We could even be thinking about managers of this calibre.

exact quote!!
98

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:16:00
#105 So norwich werent stupid for not playing him just hearts? I think it may well be true but you better be prepared for the fact that he cant pass and gets book every game.
99

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 19:16:49
#100
What is it with you lot your obsessed with homosexuality!!!!

You even have a gay hibs supporters club, Im starting to worry maybe your all this way inclined.
100

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 19:19:30
sixtu......lol
101

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:19:37
#107 Right then simpleton i will use your way, but what if big sam does? he will never find the place. As funny as your play on words was, and jesus it was, there is no place called Gorgay thus making it impossible to find which wouldnt be the best seeing as he was hitchhiking.

102

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 19:20:22
i though brellier has signed for a Swiss club FC Sion?

http://www.fc-sion.ch/index.php?id=117&backPID=116&L=0&tt_news=472
103

Mixu 6-2,

14/01/2008 19:20:37
Ta-ta never noticed vicci the ghostbuster lover online........
104

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:21:35
#115 I see raymo has had a hard days drinking in the artizan. Think about reading your posts in the morning, its the reason your are single and hated.
105

victor ian,

14/01/2008 19:22:48
brellier IS with sion.

another hobo myth busted.

if there's sumfin strange, in yer neibourhood, who ya gonna call?

HOBOBUSTERS.
106

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:23:03
#120 Please tommy oh please citizen tommy tell us what will happen!
107

Way Out West,

14/01/2008 19:26:59
I think this rumour is a load of "Glen Hoddle" - i.e., twaddle.

"Big name manager", "top players", "new stand", "challenging for the league", "Champions' League football at Tynecastle within three years"... all these storis have been spun by the Hearts PR machine during the last three years and all have turned out to be false.

This Glenn Hoddle rumour is just another ploy to get the fans to fall for it - hook, line and sinker.

Wakey wakey boys.

Hearts are 11th in the league, have had no wins since November, have also a spiralling debt, and have a very real prospect of being put out of the Cup by Motherwell in the replay.

It's time you realised just what Vladimir is doing to the club, before it's too late.
108

Way Out West,

14/01/2008 19:28:42
Make that "stories" and not "storis"!
109

mrhibs07,

14/01/2008 19:29:02
#122 Very good vic.
110

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 19:30:46
#124 Yawn! Okay i will play along for a bit. If we as you say "wake up" what are we supposed to do? answers on a post card.
111

king franco,

DUNFERMLINE 14/01/2008 19:32:38
124, it wasnt Hearts who have release the Glenn Hoddle rumour so stop yer pish!

out the cup by motherwell in replay, you boys will be out the cup after defeat to rangers, assuming ur a hibs fans. also ur form hasn't been that great either!!
112

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 19:38:14
Tommy tommy
Im going to point out how pathetic your posts are becoming. Your even starting to contradict yourself in the same posts.

Quote:"My point was and remains that Hearts are being bled dry by Romanov and that it is his strategy to run up debt against Hearts assets."
"There is nothing to put aginst the debt bar asset stripping through several routes."


If according to yourself in previous posts we "Have no Assets" How is it possible to run up a debt against any?

Do you know why the debt was increased? or should i say why it was motioned and accepted to be increased?
NO

Firstly it has increased to due running costs, of which im sure you will find out in 3 weeks have actually dropped since last year. secondly Money was required to buy land adjacent to Tynecastle in oreder for the redevelopment. Or did you think the ever so generous City of Edinburgh Council just handed the deeds to that land to us for nothing?

Now do us and yourself a favour and start talking football if thats entirely possible for yourself instead of drivelling on like an obsessed moron.

113

Spencer's Boy,

14/01/2008 19:38:59
Mixu 6-2,

You are a pathetic small brained pr@ck.

Is there an adult in the house aware that you are using a PC....???

You are getting worse by the day
114

Spencer's Boy,

14/01/2008 19:41:09
#129 - Concur fully.

TommyTommy - You need to get a grip or have a lie down in a dark room and reflect on the content of your posts. There is a blockage somewhere i sense..
115

Hibees forever,

Portobello 14/01/2008 19:41:41
Yip he has signed for fc sion, hold my hands up there but that is info i was given. doesnt say much for the rest of the stuff i was told but this is usually reliable sorce, honest!
116

victor ian,

14/01/2008 19:48:04
tommytommy is a simpleton who thinks he's formulated a plausible set of circumstances using fabricated / exaggerated 'facts' and figures, wild guess work and a hitherto unknown personal agenda.

not even worth reading.

117

Vlad Magic,

14/01/2008 19:59:50
Erm?? Think peeps missed the point I was making RE #49??

Yes no?
118

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 20:06:03
#134
Charlie Mann also acknowledged if you actually listened to him on the radio that the debt is not an issue. As has been explained many times investments are being made eg. new stadium, hotel, shops, offices, pubs etc in order so when these are built Hearts can THEN "trade their way out of debt"

Ever heard of the saying speculate to accumulate?

Now since your obviously of such a high standing in the finance industry could you please tell us mere mortals why on earth a businessman/banker would allow himself and his business to be made bankrupt/go into administration or anything of the like and risk losing the credit rating he has built up and required in the first place to allow his bank to trade further in the west. Can you also explain what differance it makes where money is going. As you have repeatedly been told romanov owns the whole lot he can swap monies between as many of his companies as he pleases, its called "Tax Avoidance" and is perfectly legal.

Again your rantings are based purely on your own personal assumptions and nothing factual whatsoever.
119

victor ian,

14/01/2008 20:14:11
don't know why i'm bothering but here goes,

tommytommy, as hearts debt increases, where do you think the actual money comes from to pay players, employees, bills, policing costs, other goods & services and the like?

do you think people are taking IOUs on hearts headed notepaper instead of actual money?

do you think they've got a counterfeiting press squirrelled away in the bowels of tynecastle, churning out moody notes?

like i said, don't know why i'm bothering.
120

Jambo-ree,

14/01/2008 20:22:26
#90 - What I presume has happened is that Screpis, or more likely his agen,t emailed/wrote a press release which was presented to the Scotsman. I know this is how Press Releases are used in the commercial world - makes it easy for the journalist who instead of just quoting the press release embellish it with phrases like "he said" or "he continued" just kid the gullible into believing the journo had actually hunted down the person and talked to them personally, rather than just copying and pasting someone else's work.

It is sad that Screpis feels he has had to "write to the papers about it" but with FIFA being so busy trying to work out what to do about the Webster shambles they've backed themselves into, what does he really expect them to do for him anyway?
121

Lionheart Fodithman,

14/01/2008 20:24:23
Victor
I dont no why your bothering !
122

Vlad Magic,

14/01/2008 20:25:24
Tommy.

When you spend money that you do not have you go into debt. In other words you have to borrow it.Let me put it this way.

When you buy a house, unless you have the amount required to buy said house then you borrow it (a mortgage). A mortgage is simply a loan. Argue about the terminology all you want if you cant afford you borrow, you have a loan whether it be to buy a house, a car or footbal players, staff, shops etc etc etc

As long as you have enough money coming in to afford the loan repayments then you can borrow as much as the repayments. The loan repayments are decided by the bank. In Hearts case the bank is Ukios wich is owned by Romanov(partly whatever, he has control) As in a previous thread Man U went instantly into debt of 300 mill when the Glaziers took over. No problem for them as the profit/turnover for the club was enough to more than make the repayments on the club. In the same way as a house owner repaying the mortgage on their house. ( Banks wouldn't lend you if you had a crap job)See where I am coming from now????

Now we do not know the level of debt, you say 40 mill we started at 20 odd when Romanov took over. We sold Gordon we have increased whatever whatever whatever. Fact is WE DO NOT KNOW THE ACTUAL DEBT untill the figures are published but Romanov will and im damn sure Ukio will.

Simple fact is we would NOT be given the red light to increase our debt to whatever the figure is IF we could not keep up the repayments. Banks whoever owns them DO NOT just give money to people if the repayments cant be made.

The reason the new stand WILL go ahead is we need that extra revenue to repay either,at the required rate,or quicker than UKIO have requested. All debts must be paid or you lose your house.

Do you honestly think that all of the above has not been considered by UKIO, Romanov and the rest of the Hearts board before these decisions were made???

If you have a missus and a house did you sit down before you mortgage
123

Vlad Magic,

14/01/2008 20:29:39
Cont

or did you just go "ahh fluffit lets try and borrow 300k" bank would tell you to bolt unless you had enough to repay!!!
124

victor ian,

14/01/2008 20:33:33
tommytommy, please answer the questions at #137, provide actual irrefutable facts and figures to back up your claims or, for the want of a better expression, pit a sock in it.
125

Away Up In Gorgie ,

14/01/2008 20:38:18
#141 No citizen tommy we dont beileve that because if that was the case we would be 55m in debt which is what wqe are told it will all cost in the end.

I have to ask you as you never answer. Where do you get your info from? Nobody apart from vlad and his bank know these figures so stop guessing.

If you are right, who cares! My club will be on the way out and i will be waiting and parying someone saves us but that will no change because you have told me it will happen.

I could see the point is you were telling me to cut my hair as it makes me look stupid, that is something i can fix unlike the impending doom you speak of. I dont have 40m so iam not in a position to do anything, the same as every other jambo.

I suggest you contact charlie mann upon his return to edinburgh and offer him your services o great one.

126

Vic Burns,

Temple Bar 14/01/2008 20:41:52
Latest rumour over here is that Glenn Hoddle is ahead of the running for the ireland manager job, lucky he can call on "Irish psychic Live" for his back room team.
127

victor ian,

14/01/2008 20:42:25
what is worse than an ill-informed, trouble making blaw-hard?

an ill-informed, trouble making blaw-hard who steadfastly refuses to provide answers to rational questions which challenge his 'back of a fag packet' theories.

128

Vlad Magic,

14/01/2008 21:30:35
#144

Yes he has efectively remortgaged Hearts at a level deemed by the Banks to be acceptable. Its done every day throughout the world.

"What has happened to the money" What money?? The debt? The repayments??

If you can not understand this simple way of borrowing money then please say so.

129

Ole' Brown Eye's,

14/01/2008 22:05:38
When will you teeth floss hearts fans come to terms how terrible the whole scenario at gorgie is,
second bottom, players are 1st division material,
gretna are your life savers, you should be shaking hands with them,
yet you go on believing a manager of high stature will be drafted in,
the rest of the world are laughing at you,
laughing loud in fact.
130

Aitchie,

Craig Gordon Stand 14/01/2008 22:13:53
Why is TommyTommy such a boring, repetitive moron?
131

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 22:17:38
#148
he will never understand this simple business transaction because he doesnt want to. He is blinkered in his obsession on a subject he knows nothing about. As i stated in the last post i explained where a lot of this money has went, however we also do not know how much of that allowed 40million has been used. I'd have thought if there was no intention of building the new stand and hotel etc there would have been no point in buying the land next to tynecastle, he blatently ignored this and other "FACTS" not speculation. I give up on the sad individual.
132

Gorgie's Finest,

14/01/2008 22:23:06
Cont.
He is also obsessed with this 40million figure, what he fails to take in which has been told to him many times by many people the debt when vlad took over was already over 20million. For all we know the actual debt could be 35million. 5million or approx that amount of that was spent on buying the land and other expenses towards the redevelopment. And lets not forget the 1.5million he hs paid the nursery next to tynecastle and the promise of building a new one for them.
133

what a chancer,

abdn 14/01/2008 22:37:01
hearts are just a part of the assets that rom owns and other clubs to added together,as long as the morgage gets paid ,on we go,if things turn bad then he will sell until then tally ho.
134

derrière,

Watching points from the top of scott's monument.. 14/01/2008 23:25:40
Two year ago, hearts fans had grins the length of princess st,
Changed days.
135

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 14/01/2008 23:52:05
#154. Very appropriate name - erse!
136

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 14/01/2008 23:57:11
#152. I imagine your figures are probably very close. Our net loss for the period ending 31.7.06. was £5.2m, with the cost of buying land and possibly a similar loss to the year ending 31.7.07. it is easy to see where the £40m would come from.

It is therefore worth noting that the sale of Craig Gordon did not go through until August and the money will therefore not be included in the figures for the year ending 31.7.07. Our wage bill has also been considerably reduced since 31.7.07., so with turnover increasing to well over £10m I imagine that the picture is nowhere near as bad as some people would have us beleive.
137

derrière,

15/01/2008 00:08:19
#156 BELIEVE.
138

derrière,

15/01/2008 00:10:34
You only believe what you want too,
who are you kidding?
the debt is £45million believe me when i tell you,
i should know.
139

Marius Dublin,

15/01/2008 06:00:12
http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?f=4&id=19132&s=1
http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?f=4&id=19131&s=1

O fellas arrive in Vilnius, for drink?
140

Addie,

Plymouth 15/01/2008 07:02:00
#43

No, but these clubs actually HAVE a manager making these decisions in the first place!

That is my point which you have missed and if that makes me a 'low life' well I'll take a really 'top bloke' like yourself from my Xmas card list.

141

GrahamL,

15/01/2008 08:58:31
Here's a thought Tommy.
What if you took the money from the loan and bought the property beside your house, thus giving you more land than you had before.
What if you held onto that property with a view to redeveloping it?

What then?
You have used some of the debt to increase your assets - you have more assets than you had before. Even if you spend the rest of the loan on drugs and hookers provided your assets are worth more than the debt there is no problem. And as you're still working there's still money coming in to pay the loan, and potentially help reduce the debt.


Here's another thought - answer my question from Friday. How has Vlad managed to siphon off both the loan money, and all the income from merchandising, ticket sales etc?
142

victor ian,

15/01/2008 09:05:48
#162 GrahamL, he doesn't answer questions which challenge his badly devised theories. he won't answer mine either. all he wants to do is perpetrate his lies & myths, and will not listen to opinions which don't match his own.

idiot of the highest possible order.

143

GrahamL,

15/01/2008 09:12:04
I know victor, but sometimes I think that - if we manage to ask the question in the right way - we might just get through to him and he can come up with a valid point, or realise that he's mistaken.

Possibly aiming a bit too high but - as the man says - you gotta have dream...
144

busbyfh,

15/01/2008 10:27:33
Just a point :

Billy Davies has withdrawn his name from the Scotland shortlist having had his rep. turn down an interview.
I will hang my head in shame for even stating this .............But dare we hope?
Hell - Do I ever learn - I am supposed to be a cynic as well.
He is the right man and we all know it - As long as Vlad Keeps out .
145

Lionheart Fodithman,

15/01/2008 10:40:17
Good shout busbyfh..
Just read the article on skysports website.
Billy Davies would be fantastic for the club.
Nice to dream isnt it.

Still rather have nobody than Mixu Pickabuneon though...
146

Honest Truth,

Edinburgh 15/01/2008 10:44:09
Barry you surprise me a negative story about Hearts surely not from you?
147

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 10:47:57
#166
Very interesting Didnt he state some weeks ago he would be very interested in the Scotland job? if so sounds like he is about to join another club and thats his preferred option.
148

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 10:53:22
The Fester road biscuit tin is rattling. Inverness have rejected a SECOND offer from the hobos, and there only looking for 65,000 for Rankin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/inverness_ct/7171461.stm

Hibs a club with real ambition my erse
149

GrahamL,

15/01/2008 10:56:54
#164

1) "If" indeed... the stories were that Hearts had bought it, but who knows. Maybe it's registered to Santa.
2) The money has serviced the debt. Any excess, who knows? The boogeyman?
3) a) yes, wages have been paid to players
b) that's another of your groundless accusations isn't it?
c) every club pays chairmen etc. no idea how much though. Or how what Hearts pay compares. Do you?

4) ? "services rendered"? Such as...?

5) Why yes, that would be serious fraud. A brave accusation. Groundless accusation again?


The final point I made was a question to you. If you can't answer it I suggest either:
- you stop making the accusation
- you ask it at the AGM
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Lionheart Fodithman,

office 15/01/2008 10:57:46
#168
That is exactly how i read it.
But....If the SFA go for any of the candidates in a job ie. Burley,then there will be a job open there for him.
I would love someone of that calibre to even be interested in the job at Tynecastle but as we are all aware,we arnt the most conventional of clubs.
I think we should keep the faith and keep dreaming though eh..
151

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 11:06:48
#171
Can see where you coming from with the Burley angle and he's hoping for southampton job, however again this is maybe wishfull thinking but he would be throwing all his eggs in the one basket and taking a big gamble on Burley getting the post or taking the job if offered. Why not at east attend the interview stage first. Sounds more like he is about to take up another position, whether it be at HMFC or not i wouldnt be suprised if we hear something in the next day or two saying Davies is new manager of whoever.
152

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 11:11:51
I cant believe this clown is still going on about HMFC's finances. Graham dont encourage him. His ranting are no different from me saying things like.

Tom farmer is bankrupt.
Petrie is skimming from the top and transferring his illegally gotten gains into off shore accounts.
David Murray is about to walk out on Rangers and leave them 70million+ in debt

Anyone can make an accusation, its the ones that beleive their own accusation when there is no physical evidence to suggest it is true that are fools
153

Lionheart Fodithman,

15/01/2008 11:20:24
You can only imagine that he has definetly had the nod about a job somewhere,whether its now or later,we will have to wait and see.
I know for a fact that all the Scots managers,north and south,keep well in touch with each other and i am pretty sure as you say something must be lined up for him.
Would be nice to think that Vlad really has bitten the bullit and was willing to prove it though wouldnt it.....
Please Uncle Vlad geez Billy Davies...We all still love ya really.
Well apart from the odd few(no names)..
154

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 11:26:09
Been trawling through some other sites to see if anything on the grape vine, and also just txt a mate, to see if he's got wind of anything, he's pretty much in the know about a lot of clubs due to him working closely with certain agents, for obvious reasons he cant always tell me things but can give out minor details on occasions or hints if you know what i mean.
155

Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 15/01/2008 11:36:10
#166 Lionfart Wantaman

"Still rather have nobody than Mixu Pickabuneon though..."

You do have nobody and if you believe that'll change anytime soon your sadly mistaken.
156

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 11:42:17
#176
How many weeks did it take the hobos to replace six-pack?

And to think you were linked with Bonhof who if im not mistaking was actually willing to speak to hibs. I know who i would have rather had given the choice, and its not the freddie star lookalike.
157

Lionheart Fodithman,

15/01/2008 11:43:06
I was thinking about asking TommyTommy to enter into the conversation but i have a plane to catch but i reckon i would be deed by the time it ever reached a conclusion.

Just done the same thing Gorgie and cant find much out.All in the fullness of time,as they say,all in the fullness of time.
I dont think we will ever know who or for that matter if,the next manager will be untill he or she is actually unveiled at Tynecastle.

Got a wee sneaky we might be stuck with Shaggy for the forseable.To be honest iam not dead against that senario either.

158

Lionheart Fodithman,

15/01/2008 11:46:13
#176
Lionfart Wantaman ?
That sounds very messy !
159

Gorgie's Finest,

15/01/2008 12:08:28
#178
I dont know about shaggy tbh, as we've seen his tactics leave a lot to be desired. Haven't Hearts already said in their statement that Frail will not get the job? they want someone with more experience but want shaggy to stay as a coach. Having said that your'e right probably will never know until a manager is actually unveiled. Tynecastle is like the KGB in fact it was probably easier getting information from the KGB in the cold war era.
160

GrahamL,

15/01/2008 12:09:53
#173. You know what? I think I've given up trying. Looking back, that may have come across to some extent in my last post...
161

Jamtastik,

edinburgh 15/01/2008 13:46:32
For a non-jambo tommy tommy you cetainly spend a lot of time, thinking about the gorgie situation. Closet Jambo amongst other things lol
162

Jamtastik,

Edinburgh 15/01/2008 15:02:06
#184 Excellent son !!

 

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