New Hearts keeper set for debut

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Glorious Hearts,

19/08/2008 12:00:56

#1 two weeks in and the drama queens start.

The mass freak-out over nothing continues.

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Paranoid John from Midlothian,

19/08/2008 12:01:34

Get behind the team...

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 12:02:39

#1 serg, i never thought i would ever agree with a contemptuous little troll like you but i must this time.

3 keepers in 3 games to start the season is hardly settled team material.

then again it could be total cobblers 'cos csaba only says he MIGHT play vs st.mirren.

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 12:07:25

Not happy about any of this. Banks has been a great servant to the club and (not for the first time) has been relegated on the whim of the owner, not because of his ability. McDonald played pretty well on Saturday and does not deserve to be dropped. In comes Vlad's choice (I think it would be naive not to acknowledge this) as our third keeper in 3 games.

disspiriting stuff after the positive noises of the last few weeks.

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 12:08:16

Timing.
It would have happened earlier had Kaunas not beaten Rangers, Kello would have been signed and might have played against Motherwell.
I dont fancy him much myself on what I seen, but it was only 1 game and some highlights.
This is a bit painful after having 2 brilliant goalies for so long, mind you Tepi Moilanen was sandwiched in between them so Kello might not be so bad. Kurskis will take some beating.

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Glorious Hearts,

19/08/2008 12:09:01

#5 "In comes Vlad's choice (I think it would be naive not to acknowledge this)"

I beg to differ, I think it's paranoid to assume this despite Laszlo's public assertions to the contrary. What reason do you have to doubt CL's word on it?

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Harold Bishop is the original John Darwin.,

19/08/2008 12:10:49

It shouldn't matter who we play in goals on Saturday.
A home match against St Mirren should be a win regardless.

He should stick the boy in the reserves, what does it matter if it is a competetive match or not? A shot is a shot in any game and still needs to be saved all the same. If the boy wants a shot at the starting 11 then he should take every game seriously whether a friendly, reserve match or under 19s.

Am I wrong?

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19/08/2008 12:12:24

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:13:33

Mcdonald looked ok on Saturday and will feel hard done by if he is dropped
Cant understand all the hype we all know Banks was not good enough to be no1 it could be worse we might have Hobo keepers
Cmon lads get behind the team,I have watched both games and if we can get a forward in we will be fine

Cant beleive Nade was not fit enough to track back or even get himself back in an onside position after all he only had to do it for forty minute
He is the unfitest professional i have ever seen

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 12:14:59

#7

Call me paranoid then. I'm sure that of all the available keepers in the world Laszlo had Kello at the top of his list. I doubt very much if he would have brought him to Tynecastle at all, and now he is parachuted straight into the team.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 12:15:09

No surprise that Kello will play on Saturday, more so if he didn't.

I seriously doubt he is Shabba's first choice keeper (as if he had a say at all!).

The guy is here on a year long loan and not as we were led to believe a permanent signing. I reckon we'll still end up with the other keeper too on a six month loan... if i was Jamie i'd be well hacked off... as for Banksey... if I was him i'd walk... he has nothing to prove or stay for at Tynecastle and he is good enough to keep playing.

The one area where Hearts had half decent options was the GK'ing stuation... as for the strikers???!!

Why look to sign another GK after Kello, plus a GK'ing coach... when WE ALL know that Hearts have no naturally gifted strikers in the squad??!!

Nade - Still unfit
Makela - Awful first, second and third touch... not spl level.
Glen - too young, no experience
Mole - plenty running, no shot
Tullberg - God knows?! Only Hearts would sign an injured striker!
Elliot - No confidence, time to move on

I'd trade them all for someone like David Clarkson

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the west end general,

19/08/2008 12:15:52

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'Banks has been a great servant to the club '

I think that you are a bit OTT with this assertion,Gary and Robbo are / were but Banks naw

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 12:17:59

#13

Why over the top? Banks has played whenever he has been called upon, never said a bad word about the club and is an absolute gentleman in everything he does. I don't think he was by any means a long term solution as the goalkeeper but it's typical of the Romanov regime for people to be treated disgracefully on their way out the door.

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:19:51

Let's just face facts here, Romanov has gone back on his word yet again and shown his complete contempt for the supporters. Laszlo obviously talks a good game and i'm sure he is a decent coach but at the end of the day he's just another puppet.

The question really his how much more are we going to take before the supporters as a group put up a meaningful protest. To date Romanov has had a fairly easy ride from the fans. Time for action.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:20:51

14 If you class banks as a great servant you must class Elliot the same?
Cmon he is never good enough for first choice,if he is a good coach keep him if not i am sure there are a few clubs who would benefit from his experience

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Glorious Hearts,

19/08/2008 12:22:11

#11 "Call me paranoid then. I'm sure that of all the available keepers in the world Laszlo had Kello at the top of his list. I doubt very much if he would have brought him to Tynecastle at all, and now he is parachuted straight into the team."

It's not hugely complicated.

Laszlo knows he has the players from Kaunas pretty much freely at his disposal. He likes the look of Kello and says "Yep, we'll take him."

Laszlo himself has said it was his decision and saw him play in the flesh against Rangers.

Laszlo has also made an offer to Balogh so it's obvious to me that Kello is not the only goalie he wants but he's clearly someone who Laszlo feels is worth having on board.

Yes you're being paranoid. In my opinion of course.

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RichB,

edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:22:12

Golden rule - never EVER become a valued, respected servant of the club these days - that immediately puts you on notice of being punted.

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Palermo,

19/08/2008 12:22:24

well, at least if he concedes fewer than 2 goals that could be said to be "progress" of a sort, even this early in the season

ironic that only one Scottish-based player is in an olympic medal position, and that is a Hibs goalie :-)

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:22:53

#16

I think the point is that without doing anything wrong Banks is the latest in a long line of club personnel who have been treated disgracefully by the owner.

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 12:24:42

#16.

There's more to being a great servant than being a great player. Banks has given his all every week, is dependable and has represented the club brilliantly.

Is this going to turn into another 'he was undermining the club' witchhunt the likees of which accompanied Pressley when he left?

We'll survive without Banks, of course we will. but treating good men contemptibly is sadly all too common at Tynecastle these days.

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WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

19/08/2008 12:26:07

Kello looks a good goalie, lets hope he is

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The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

19/08/2008 12:26:32

Banks was a stop gap, a very good one at that. But he is 36 years and hardly someone we can have as first choice. His "demotion" as this cack reporter can't help but slide into his article is what he was going to do anyway, in helpiing the first and 2nd choice keepers improve and train them keeping him involved with the squad.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 12:26:40

#5

Vlad has done to Banksey the exact same thing he did to Elvis. He has tried to cajole him into becoming a coach at a time in his career when Banks still feels he has the ability to play on.

Banks refuses to give up on playing (like Elvis did) and 'hey presto' Vlad decrees him untrustworthy as he won't do what Vlad wants.

Unlike Elvis though he isn't the captain and so can be removed instantly from the squad without as much fuss to a lesser role... Csaba and Banks have to lump it!!!

Vlad pi$$in all over Hearts yet again and bang goes the 'feel good' factor we had last week... WE ALL LOSE OUT HERE!

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:26:46

20 He is not good enough same as Frail sorry to sound harsh but if your not good enough time to move on
Hearts is not a charity for mediocur players we want better so some people will inevitably be moved on

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 12:27:28

#17

You could be right. I would sincerely like to believe that was the case. However going on past experience I don't.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 12:29:24

but then again we only have a few 'iffy' sources to rely on that he HAS been treated badly. can anyone really say with any certainty exactly what has gone on behind the scenes?

on balance of probability i would say that banks is carrying the can for not agreeing to whatever was being imposed on him.

an official statement from the club would help but i don't know if we will see one.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 12:30:17

#23

Would you say that David James or Jens Lehmann were passed it, because they were in their late thirties?

Banks age has nothing to do with it... on balance right now he is still the best GK we have at the club.

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billyq,

edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:30:37

During the close season Csaba was making all the right noises about doing this ,that with team and signings.Now the season has started the mad one is up to his usual tricks 3 goalies in 3 games well done a really settled team eh vlad.The keeper we signed from Kaunus is no better than what we have he was dodgy against rangers in the european qualifiersand yet Csaba says he was impressed with him YEAH RIGHT CSABA.Just admit that you are a puppet like the rest of the managers we have had since Burley it will make it a lot easier for you

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:31:43

#25

I personally think Banks was good enough and if he leaves i'm sure that will be reflected in the calibre of club he ends up at. Does this mean you are sure this Kaunas keeper is a marked step up then?

Your last statement astounds me. I think the evidence clearly is that Hearts ARE a "charity for mediocur players". If you look at some of the dross that has worn a Hearts shirt in the last two years. If anything the trend has been for good players being replace by guys who are simply not good enough.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 12:32:58

I'm always surprised at how quick some people are to support Vlad in these things. Banks - on the face of it - has been treated disgracefully. And yet so many folk are saying "he was past it", "wouldn't be my first choice", "not a good servant to the club". Well, that's nonsense. He always did his best, and to get this demotion - seemingly on Vlads whim - is appalling.
We don't know enough on this yet to know whether it's protest time, but if Banks is being forced out of the club are people going to accept it?

On past experience, I suspect yes, there's been a distinct feeling that - as long as Vlad shafts the players we don't like - we don't care. Same when Vlad started meddling in the team last season, saying SF couldn't pick Basso - general feeling was "ach, he's no good anyway". It's the principle that should matter here, not how good the player involved is.

Maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe, after the good feeling generated in the last month, another kick in the baws from Vlad will be enough to get the supporters groups to do something. We'll have to see how the Banks thing develops, and what happens after that.

On the story - MacDonald should keep his spot, he did as well as could be expected for a young guy thrown into his debut at Ibrox at the last minute. He should be given a chance to prove himself before Kello is. As has been said elsewhere, there's plenty opportunity in training and reserve matches for Csaba to see if this other guys any good.

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:33:44

#27

Wake up.

Romanov has a long track record of this. An official club statement would not help as it is written by Romanov's puppets.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 12:34:50

#33, it must be nice to be so certain of things based on very little hard evidence.

each to their own i suppose.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 12:35:21

#30 Spot on

'Heart of Mediocrity' is fast becoming who we are!

You only have to look at players such as Nade, Makela, Beslija, Zaliukas, Ksanavicius, Cesnauskas etc etc to see that we are not blessed with the talent we once had,

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:35:41

#32

Excellent post. Some common sense at last.

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:40:38

#34

It's called thinking laterally and reading between the lines. Managers not lasting 5 minutes and Ex players and club officials signing gagging orders in order to get their compensation tell me more than "offical" club statements produced by Romanov's puppets.

If you think our club is being run in a correct and proper manner and you are not alarmed by the constant embarassment that Romanov brings to the club then so be it but i and many others have had enough.

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Newcastle Jambo,

19/08/2008 12:41:08

#32 spot on - exactly what I always (try to) say. I hate the Orwellian attitude of football fans that goes along the lines of "plays for us now - hero, used to play for us - useless / past it / never rated him / traitor".

Why the masses rally behind a despotic maniac and agree with his every (pathetic and unjustifiable) decision is totally beyond me. Soon as Burley was sacked the same idiots were on message boards saying "if Romanov wants to change the manager that's good enough for me", "Burley wasn't the right man for the job", "he has a drink problem" etc etc. All nonsense.

This ignorant blind loyalty seems to be the definition of football fans and if you don't go along with it 100% you are a "hobo".

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:41:25

36 How many good games has Banks had ?
He was nothing speciall a good honest pro granted
We have all been on these threads saying we need a keeper,now we get one everyone is up in arms without giving him a chance
35 Negative posts fast becoming a habit for you and dont know what you have against ZALIUKAS think he is getting better and better

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 12:42:01

#32 I usually agree with most of your posts in fact they almost echo my own thoughts so its nice to disagree for a change.
I suspect Banks hasnt done what he's been asked to. Much like Pressley was at the latter end of his career and to be honest Elvis aint done much playing since he left Hearts.
A coachs role wasnt a bad offer for a journeyman keeper, Banks is ok, but he's not top class, anything but.
At the end of the day he perhaps should have respected his employer, Vlad after all is the boss.
Its easy to have this portrait of him being all evil but we simply dont know what he has offered.
Screpis another case in point, he was plucked from obscurity anyhow, given an oppurtunity to continue at a slightly lesser rate but still had an oppurtunity he never had before, but they all throw it back in his face.
Ok, perhaps I've gone too much the other way, but it is possible Vlad has given people decent oppurtunities however because it doesnt suit them, they cry foul, to be fair, Banks has said nothing yet, but the EEN will have the interview 2 weeks after he's left.

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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 19/08/2008 12:42:05

#24. So you were present during the discussions Banks had with Romanov and Korobotcha? I think not.

There is no evidence whatsover to back up your assertions.

#32. How do you know Banks has been treated disgracefully? Who other than BAnderson says he has?

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Phil o Brian,

19/08/2008 12:42:17

What happened? Go away for 2 weeks and come back and its like nothing has changed. He is/was a good goalie. I am sure that most Hibs fans would have him.

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:44:27

#39

Well said.

#40

You are totally missing the point.

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Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 19/08/2008 12:47:25

#42

I think the last two paragraphs of post 39 sums you up in a nutshell.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 12:48:37

#41 chas, well said. it's not exactly panic stations yet but you would be forgiven for thinking it was sometimes.

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Stotty,

19/08/2008 12:48:45

No one is going to convince me that us appointing a journeyman goalkeeper nearing the end of his career as youth coach means we are all of a sudden in crisis.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 12:49:15

#25 "Hearts is not a charity for mediocre players" in fact thats exactly what Hearts are, maybe not a charity but certainly we only have mediocre players.

Banks was a good enough keeper, we need other positions filled before we needed a keeper.

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 12:49:33

#40

More importantly, how many BAD games has Banks had and how many goals has he cost us? He is probably the 3rd best keeper in the league.

Zaliukas getting better and better? What did you think of his defending for Motherwell's first goal?

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:50:02

#44 Think we will have to agree to disagree
Dont get me wrong i had nothing against Banks but dont think he is good enough to be our no 1 choice

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 12:53:10

#50 But he is better than MacDonald right now and the place to assess Kello is in training and reserve games, not an SPL game.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 12:53:14

#40

Negative posts... no.

Honest thoughts to a story... yes.

I think Banks has been treated (like Pressley and Frail before him) disgracefully. I also think that the reporting of it in the EEN has been poor at best... unamed sources smack of a hidden agenda and give credence to Vlad's accusations that they are all out to get him!

The team we have now is nowhere near as good as we used to have FACT! There are still too many average players in the squad competing for limited positions.

Zaliukas... may be getting better (so he should with training) but he isn't as good as Karipidis at CB and is not a midfielder... so why do we persist with him??! Because of Vlad... simple! Likewise with Ksanavicius, Chesney, Miko and No 28! They have all shown glimpses of excellent play but NO consistency... yet they are in the team week in week out.

This leave us with the illusion of a big squad of internationalists, but in reality you could assemble a better SPL team from our youth and with players bought from Motherwell, Dundee Utd and Falkirk.

Our squad is poor, face it!

Doesn't stop me supporting them but it also won't stop me criticising either!

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 12:54:07

An offer was made for Banks from Rangers, somehow and I don't know the ins and outs of it but that didn't happen so Banks is now being Frozen out, maybe because he said he would have liked to go and because of that he is "disloyal" or maybe he didn't want to go so therefore losing money for the club and because of that he is "disloyal" whatever happened he is being treated badly and I said this before but no apologies for repeating it, I would like to bet that Banks leaves the club and Hearts retain his playing contract to prevent him playing elsewhere.

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 12:54:44

#39 Why the masses rally behind a despotic maniac and agree with his every (pathetic and unjustifiable) decision is totally beyond me.

To be fair Rangers fans have questioned Murray this week.

Perhaps we rally round him because he's got more balls than any other man I've known in Scottish football.

Sure he p's me off regular, this keeper I'm not happy about, but he's got guts and for that I can get by.

More than most on here who yesterday were willing to put up with Rangers walking over them with incredulous refereeing. Craig Levein was also a favourite of mine for his stand following Killie. Both are leaders, we may not agree with him some, a lot or all of the time but he has the guts to stand up and says what he thinks.

Sadly people are too easily directed by the power of press which should never be underestimated of how they wish to portray a character, and also too many people in all walks of society dont respect the person who puts bread on their table.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 12:55:27

Hearts manager Csaba Laszlo today revealed he has yet to decide on his first-choice goalkeeper for the current season.

Steve Banks was between the posts for the opening match of the Clydesdale Bank Premier League campaign against Motherwell at Tynecastle, while Scotland U21 star Jamie MacDonald took over the gloves for the weekend trip to Ibrox.

The recent arrival of Slovakian shot-stopper Marian Kello preceded the appointment of Steve to the role of full-time coach to the youth keepers at the Academy.

Csaba was pleased with Jamie's performance in the 2-0 defeat to Rangers, although indicated his inclusion in the starting XI. in Glasgow didn't mean he was now No.1 at Tynecastle.

Speaking to Hearts News today, Csaba said: "We don't talk about a No.1 or No. 2 just now.

"We have two young goalkeepers here. Jamie had a good game against Rangers but Marian must also have his chance.

"We will see how he does and then maybe make a decision who is No. 1 but at the moment it is too soon to speak about this."

Meanwhile, the process of recruiting a new first-team goalkeeping coach to replace Steve continues apace, with Csaba anticipating a "quick solution".

The Hearts boss also declared no fresh injury worries for the visit of St Mirren this weekend following the match against Rangers.

"Everyone is okay," he added.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 12:55:44

#41 At least people will know we're not the same person anyway!
I'm not saying this is necessarily bad, maybe Vlad sat down with Banks, they discussed what role he wanted, and they - and possibly Csaba - decided he would be best as youth goalkeeping coach. If that is what happened. That's grand, all happy.
If - on the other hand - Vlad has told him that, instead of being player/first team coach, he's now the youth coach like it or lump it. Then that's out of order. Banks had a playing contract with the club - signed just a few months ago if I remember correctly (about the time of the Rangers interest?) - if Vlad is forcing changes to that contract on him, then that ain't good enough.

As I say, we don't know exactly what did happen, so I'm not getting too het up about it yet - but there's a lot of people round here sounding like, even if Vlad as screwed Banks over, they don't care cos he's in his thirties and not world class. Which I find quite disappointing.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 12:56:56

#49 IRK you have got it in for Zaliukis thought he has done well in both our games this season and hom and Berra are looking good together

If you think Banks should be our No1 goalkeeper thats up to you
Personally i want better for our club you where at the Motherwell game
Was he commanding? Did he look confident?
Not in my opinion

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 12:58:34

#54

"Sadly people are too easily directed by the power of press which should never be underestimated of how they wish to portray a character, and also too many people in all walks of society dont respect the person who puts bread on their table."

Unfortunately, the wildest press stories have also turned out to be true in the long run.

Sorry, but I do not respect Vlad and he does not put bread on my table. I am grateful for keeping us at Tynie etc etc but i'll respect him as much as he respects us fans (i.e. not much)

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 12:58:51

Sorry but this story is looking more and more like there is truth in it. More than 24hrs have past and Csaba has been interviewed ny the EN Supposedly and by HW, perfect oppertunities to set the record straight about events surrounding Banks/Romanov. The FACT nothing has appeared on the Hearts site and no comments from Csaba make the story all the more credible.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 13:01:07

#57 - I want better for my club too but we need better in every position is my opinion.

I still think we had a good enough keeper in Banks and a good enough sub in Macdonald, as I said before we needed players in other positions as a higher priority and still do.

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:01:29

#57 I do not have it in for Zaliukas, I just don;t think he is good enough. His defending is tentative and rash in equal measures.

And I also want better for this club but, until then, I think we should play our best team. For me, that means Banksy should start. Did I think he was commanding? No, but Craig Gordon never commanded either. As long as he does the simple things well and doesn;t throw the ball in the net then he'll do until we can replace him adequately.

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:02:30

#60 I can see Csaba sticking Larry on the bench soon. He is clearly not happy with him.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 13:03:32

Further to my post at 56 - he signed a 2 and a half year contract to be "goalkeeping coach" on 11 January.
Anyone still think he's not been given a raw deal to be moved to "youth team goalkeeping coach"?

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:05:06

#62

Fair comments IRK, but lets not all shoot Kello, after all it's not his fault. And for all we know he could be a really good keeper. I would hate for any fans to turn on Kello because of whats happened, or not give him 100% support. If he turns out to be another Kurskis I can understand fans not liking him or wanting him near the team, I for one wouldnt, but until we know more about him and see what he is like, I think it only right he is given a chance and the 100% backing at Tynecastle on saturday if he plays.

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Bobby Bobby Bobby Prentice on the wing,

19/08/2008 13:06:58

I ask you lot that are not convinced that Csaba has full control of picking the team, this question, who picked Jamie in front of Kello at the weekend? I'm telling you it was Csaba, the same Csaba who told Jamie, he is LIKELY to pick Kello this weekend. I believe and hope the new boss is the real deal and is the man who is strong enough and intellegent enough to deal with Vlad, until I know differantly I'm right behind him, COME ON THE JT's

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The Bee,

19/08/2008 13:07:40

#59

It was also a perfect opportunity for the EN to ask Csaba outright if the dressing room incident did or did not happen, yet it failed to do so.

I wonder why.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 13:08:56

#61 I agree we need players in other positions but Csaba has said he looke at this keeper in Germany and at Ibrox Banks is not good enough and up no now the manager has been making the right noises for me

#62 So you dont think there has been a massive improvement in Zaliukas then ?
Its our forwards that need improving we are not going to win games without scoring goals

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:11:07

#67

There is also the other side to look at. Given the events that took place on Saturday there is always the chance Jamie was deliberately picked to try and avoid any suspicion of Vlad meddling in the team, Had kello played on Saturday that is the first thing all of us and the media as well would have said.

Im not saying this is what happened and I would like to think it isn't but there is always these possibilities, im trying to look at possibility.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 13:11:16

#42

It is fairly obvious to all that this is EXACTLY whats happened.

On the club website there was an article where Csaba wanted Banks to concentrate on playing this season!

http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1361685,00.html

Yet later we are told that he is to take on a coaching only position for the 'FIRST TEAM' and after the game at ibrox we learn he is to coach only the youth players!

Now Bank himself has said he wants to play and fight for the No1 jersey... so do you honestly think he has had a change of heart and decided that coaching the youth and hanging up his gloves is the way to go now... 2 weeks into the season.

The only thing that would stop him so quickly would be a career ending injury... and we ain't heard about that!

Banks' has been forced to step down from the first team and i bet he'll be off asap now!

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 13:12:12

Amazing....
Last season there was complete turmoil,no style of play,no work ethic,zero tactics and 5 changes every game.
This season 2 games played,1 change and still the constant nonsense about who is picking the team and influencing goings on.

I feel one of my heads coming on ....

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:12:44

#65 Don't worry, Kello is an innocent party in all this and he gets my full support - I get the feeling he is a notch or two above Kurskis so hopefully should be okay.

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 13:13:29

#56 Wouldnt bet on it, sure some folk speak to themselves on here, not us though!
Disappointing I agree, particularly as I'm unsure of the new keeper and I agree the moral of dissing players because they are no longer welcome is poor, Elvis in particular was a confusing one.
In hindsight though Elvis got a decent coaching oppurtunity but didnt want it, Vlad did have time for him and probably felt let down, I think the same has happened here.
We dont know how Banks reacted, if it was me I probably would have had a strop, I know I have when before in my own days playing (poorly I might add!).
With Vlad its all about respect and on that front I cant argue with him.
Ultimately at work within reason my boss can tell me what to do, Stevie was getting a decent job offer I think, it was at Csabas behest I think and not Vlads, Vlad has intervened I think when things werent being resolved.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:14:13

#71 CB

The announcement about Banks coaching the youth team was made saturday morning. The reported Vlad dressing room incident took place later in the day, after the match.

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East at Easter,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 13:15:14

2 words:-

Eddie Kurskis...remember that fall guy from the Baltics?

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:15:15

#69 If I was being cynical then I would say Zaliukas could only improve on last season as he was particularly woeful.

But i;m not cynical! It's between him nd Karpidis for the spot alongside Berra....both are similar in that they can look good but I don't think either are the long term solution.

But, as you say, up front is where we REALLY have problems.

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 13:17:06

IRK then dont go. But he has my support, probably not 100%, but he has it.
He's willing to stand up and be counted quite unlike a lot of our so called fans.
No dig at you by the way, but I have no doubts Romanov does what he thinks is right.
Banks will not be the 1st team goalie, he got offered an alternative job and now for his disobedience I guess he is moving down the way.
That happens in many workplaces any day.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 13:17:44

#75

sorry... was through in Glasgow all day... didn't read till got home.

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:18:36

#76

Hold on lads!!!!!!

A hibee is making goalkeeping jokes!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a selection of 2 words for you: Tony Caig, Andy McNeil, Yves Makalamby, Jim Leighton, Zibby Malkowski, John Leslie, John Burridge.

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Indy Rep Kid...,

19/08/2008 13:19:41

#78 Chas, i'm confused, why would I not go?

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 13:21:22

#71 - incidentally in that article Csaba also states that Banks is the No 1 and Macdonald is the number 2. (albeit at that time) Some were criticising me this morning when I said that he had made that statement. Thanks a lot mate.

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CBJambo,

19/08/2008 13:21:41

I'd just like to say also that 'Kello' is an innocent party in all this and i'll give him my total support if he is picked for saturday.

Still hate the way we go about these things though.

All that was required was a statement from Csaba informing us who his preferred choice for keeper is and that is it, we'd be happy!

The fact he hasn't yet, and Vlad has stuck his oar in, coupled with the Kaunus keeper arriving at a time when we had another keeper here on trial... totally undermines Csab Laszlo.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:27:59

#82 JJ

If your ferring to me from this morning i didnt critiscise you. However that article goes further and states this

""After that we maybe think about his future. He has played very well and he is a goalkeeper just now. In the future, I don't know. Steve at the moment is No. 1, Jamie MacDonald is No. 2 and I have given them the responsibility.

"I am not happy and I want to change the goalkeeper situation very quickly. I want to have a goalkeeper or a goalkeeper coach."

Meaning Csaba was not happy with Banks being goalkeepr and coach and it is a "Situation" he wanted to change quickly.

Admittedly he said Banks is No1 that was then before other keepers arrived. because we only really had 2 goalkeepers at that point, Basso was turfed out.

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Chas Niceass,

19/08/2008 13:29:30

#81 If you disrespect Romanov so much. I hope you do go, but if you dont then dont.
I have no doubt he's a strong leader, they make unpopular choices but usually end up coming out strong.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:31:05

#87

Run along serg you sad little troll.

Good thread about you on JKB by the way, ripping you to pieces the other week, seems were not the only ones who see you as a sad little creepy person.

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thejambokid,

19/08/2008 13:31:51

Why is it that if you're a good young player its a case of "if you're good enough, you're old enough" but with older players its not a case of "if you're good enough, you're young enough"? Banks may not have been Craig, nor one for the future, but he was still good enough for the first team.

I don't know if Banderson's take on events is entirely true but it does seem that Shabba wanted him to be a goalkeeper or a coach not both and the decision was made that he should be a coach whilst he, understandably, felt he could still offer something between the sticks. There have been conflicting stories on the fallout and a lot depends on who you want to believe.

No matter what anyone's opinion on Bank's ability, he was a gentleman whom always acted professionally. Amid the ongoing disasters of last season one ray of light was his decision to stay on with us in his dual role despite noises being made from the blue end of Glasgow about signing him. IF he has been treated badly by the club then there is no excuse and it wouldn't make me boycott matches. However, I would continue to worry that while I thought Vlad had safeguarded the traditions of my club by keeping us at Tynie, he was actually slowly eroding them as he continues, amongst other things, to treat loyal players with contempt.

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Bigwull,

edinburgh 19/08/2008 13:33:03

87 lawyers could be reading this

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 13:35:15

#85 GF you were one of a few who questioned me, all I said was that Laszlo had stated recently that Banks was his No 1. Which was true. This articles actually inferred that he wanted him to continue as a player and not a coach.
Not something to fall out over mate.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 13:38:45

#85 GF you were one of a few who questioned me, all I said was that Laszlo had stated recently that Banks was his No 1. Which was true. This articles actually inferred that he wanted him to continue as a player and not a coach.
Not something to fall out over mate.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 13:38:58

#91

Not falling out with you or anyone JJ. I think i didnt state my case well enough thats all, I was trying to say that no decision had been made on who would be first choice for the season. I did say that No1 had been deliberately left out the squad numbers. If it was Csaba's intentions to have Banks as No1 for the season then why wasn't he given squad number 1. I agree at the time he said he is no1 but only for the reasons i stated above, that at that point there was only 2 keepers anyway Banks and McDonald, so it would be right Banks would be no1 choice at the time.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 13:40:14

#84 "Banks had only been three years at the club and it seems clear he tried to get a move to Ibrox for more money. Vlad didn't like it -can't see anything wrong with that."
I'm confused - Banks' contract was due to expire at the end of last season. He supposedly tries to get a move to Rangers, so Vlad offers him a new 2 and a half year contract as goalkeeping coach with the express intention of screwing him over 6 months later?
Do you really believe that??

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 13:52:05

one or two people have commented that the absence of an official denial of events is tantamount to an admission that the story as reported is a true reflection of events.

how is that then?

vlad is kind of damned if he does say anything and damned if he doesn't.

if there's silence then it's viewed as an admission.

if a denial did appear then some people would instantly dismiss it as 'spin' or a lie or a sign of guilt because of too strenuous a denial.

at the end of the day, some people will only ever believe what their preconceptions allow them to believe.

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 13:55:52

#95

I know what you are saying, but if the stories are balls the club should say that. These kind of stories have been allowed to poison the atmosphere around the club for far too long. Even if all they say is - 'the stories published at the weekend are untrue, no further comment', that would be fine by me. whether that's the case or no is another matter but by saying nothing they do appear to give them credence.

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Indigo Nightlight,

19/08/2008 13:58:44

# just a hunch. like the one on your back? please disappear.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:04:01

#98 - you have to admit though #87BigKenny has a point does he not, although I think that Vlad has had it in his plans all along to bring this man to Hearts but wanted to see how Kaunas did in the CL first and he left it until after the Rangers game, which he did not expect them to win, and now the likelyhood is that they, Kaunas, are out of the CL he can now come to Tynie.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 14:05:54

#96, yes that would seem like the best thing to do, if they are confident that the whole thing has been misrepresented. i wish they would.

i still refuse to take it as an admission that no denial has been forthcoming.

perhaps as ever there is some truth in it but that it hasn't been reported accurately.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 14:07:39

I would hope that Csaba is ruthless enough to say Banks is his favourite player one week but if its to the benefit of the club then sack him the next.
I couldnt care less about the feelings of a player at the end of his career.
We need a manager who is tough and is good at making tough decisions not a puppet scared of releasing an average goalkeeper.
This season banks played 1 game and conceded 2 goals and didnt look very assured for the number 1 goalkeeper.
Csaba makes the call and looks to the future with regards the goalkeeping position and the other youngsters in the team as has been stated by himself on numerous occasions.

When a new manager comes into a club its remarkable if he only falls out with one player.
Perhaps they just dont get on ???

Is Csaba says get rid then get rid.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:15:21

#101 I am not sure that is the way to treat people to get the best out of the team, if the rest of the players think "if he can treat this player like that then why should I believe he will treat me any different". I dont disagree that we need a ruthless manager but I think we need one with some morals and ethics to go along with it as well as good man management skills.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:18:14

#102 BKM I think you may be right regards those Kaunas players, although I am not sure about the level of quality the rest of the Lithuanian league has, but from what I have seen of Kaunas players coming to Tynecastle not many have proved to be that great, some have been OK but no starts. (in my opinion, before I get shot down)

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 14:30:21

#95, well said..

"at the end of the day, some people will only ever believe what their preconceptions allow them to believe."

that one works both ways though. Your preconceptions are obviously of Big Team status which perhaps you might want to reassess.

Waken up, you are laughable! Seriously, there is a difference between loyalty and optimism and just sheer stupidity and naivity!!

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 14:38:06

#105 You of all people should know that winning a crappy league doesn't necessarily make you any great shakes on the world stage.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:43:54

#108 Graham, I think that Kenny has a valid point, Kaunas are regular winners of their league and we seem to get the poorer players from them not the better ones.
I don't think he is making any other point.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 14:47:23

#105 cant beleive you have the audacity to come on here going on about Kaunas!!
Have you forgotten what that team did to you?
What a difference when you get an un bias referee at Ipox
Does not happen much though i think saturday proved that one

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huggs,

19/08/2008 14:48:52

109 JJ we are getting there no 1 keeper how can he be one of the poorer ones ?

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:52:22

#114 huggs - who ever said he was their No1 keeper, if he was their no 1 keeper he would not be coming to Hearts.
I am not having a pop I just need to see where it states he is their No 1 keeper.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 14:52:23

#109 I think Big Kenny may, possibly, be on the wind up.

#110 Further taps? He ain't that good mate, they got themselves a reserve keeper in Alexander - what do they want another one for??

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:54:26

#114 huggs I note his squad number at Kaunas was 32 that doesn't make him there No 1 Keeper.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 14:56:06

#106, well you would know about stupidity and naivity. do you believe everything you read in the papers then?

tw*t.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 14:56:36

#114 huggs I also note that there are 4 other keepers in the Kaunas squad for the season.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 14:57:42

#117 He played against Rangers? That'd be an indication - unless they deliberately put out a weaker side to fool us into thinking we'd got their best keeper of course.
Can't be bothered digging out old Kaunas teamsheets to prove this once and for all to be honest. I think you're just been silly too now.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 14:57:43

115 I know mate i just checked that out
Still have to give him a chance Csaba says he has watched him a few times and was impressed and up untill now i have been impressed with him
So here's hoping
I would stike with young Mcdonald just now anyway

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huggs,

19/08/2008 14:59:02

JJ you have made your mind up already
I on the other hand am giving him the chance

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Johnny Jambo,

Doncaster 19/08/2008 14:59:02

#114 and one of the 4 is Kurskis who played on loan for us before and was pretty poor so if he is preferred to Kello at Kaunas that makes Kello pretty low in their pecking order.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:00:17

118 at the end of the day, some people will only ever believe what their preconceptions allow them to believe. You know that??

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:01:30

#123 huggs - I have not made my mind up already I am prepared to give him a chance, I am just responding to your comment about him being the Kaunas No 1 thats all. He obviously is not. I jus believe that he is low in the Kaunas pecking order because of all the points I have made, which backs up my previous comments to which you responded by saying he was the No 1 at Kaunas.

I will not criticise him until or if he deserves it.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 15:02:13

#125, assuming there is one, what's your point?

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 15:03:19

#126 JJ, if he wasn't 1st choice at kaunas, why is it that he was picked for both games vs rangers?

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:04:12

#121 sorry Graham I just believe in facts and I do not think any team would loan out their No 1 in any position.
Loan players are usually youngsters, coming back from injury or soemething of that ilk.
I didn't look at any previous teamsheets to find this out.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:04:50

#129 victor see my post 130.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 15:04:51

You are already stating he is low in there pecking order,yet they played him in the CL does not make much sense really
With all that money at stake would you not play your no 1 choice?
Or did Vlad insist they play the 3rd or 4rth choice as he already knew he was coming to Tynie ??
Not buying that one

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 15:07:51

#129, 132 - as 127 says - If he isn't Serg he's clearly some other sort of fool. Either way, not worth the effort methinks.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 15:08:39

133 - fairly simple to resolve. The "real" johnny jambo (the one that's been here for a few years, not days) has my email adress, so I can expect a message in the next few minutes, n'est-ce pas?

Otherwise it's that sad wee lassie fae Pilton again.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 15:11:07

Where's that font of wit and reason that yesterday called himself everton-jambo by the way?

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:11:27

128 the point is Vlad could sell the stadium and flatten the ground around you on a Saturday afternoon and you would still argue that he is the man for the job and Hearts are the big team.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 15:11:40

yep i see that now guys. what a custard cannon.

very sorry to the real JJ for mistaking him for that loony.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 15:12:50

#137, you are clearly on a big comedown from your weekend activities.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:15:47

139 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

couldnt give a monkeys if you're gonna spend another season with your head in the sand

adios loser.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 15:24:42

#140, well i for one will miss your wit and charm. haste ye back.

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johnandyoko,

19/08/2008 15:25:50

Simmer down lads two games in... meltdown'll start soon, scarves on the pitch n that lovely maroon screwed up face shouting at the board is gonna be here for xmas.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:26:40

Sorry to disapoint you guys, I am the "real" JJ as Roscoe says, not that wee lassie fae pilton.

Its just that I dont buy it that a team will loan out its top players, doesnt make sense.

Players who get loaned out are those who cannot get in the side, young players or players recovering from injury.

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Edinburgh University Graduate Grade "A" Plus,

19/08/2008 15:33:12

Bottom six, long may it continue,

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:44:14

#145, Kaunas are equal top of their league with a game in hand, not runaway leaders. They do not give us their best players.
I have no problem with feeder clubs at all and have no problem with Kello, I will give him a chance, I have only seen him play, same as everyone else, against Rangers so cannot make a real judgement on him yet.

All I am saying is that if we are getting the best players from Kaunas, what are the rest like as I have seen no evidence that we have had any decent players so far, they are average at best and look where average has got us we finished 8th in the league last season with these so called "best players".

Sorry guys but I am entitled to my opinion.

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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

19/08/2008 15:44:53

This "story" originated in The Sun. That's all that really needs to be said. Funnily enough, the Herald and BBC aren't touching it with a bargepole.

The people who suggest Rangers involvement as they wanted Banks before and may now try to cash in on McGregor this year (meaning they need goalie cover even more) are closest to the truth. And we all know Vlad's views on players moving to rivals, unless it's on his terms (the right way to do it I'm sure all non-OF fans will agree). In any case is a full-time job as youth coach a "demotion" as he was only a part-time first-team coach.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:48:14

Careful JJ.

The Hearts posters on here have many Romanov traits! Dont you know that having an opinion is the same as being a traitor! You are not allowed an opinion! You must not even think! Dont do it! Even apologising for having an opinion is not enough! You have blown it now!

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 15:48:32

All of you who are slating me for my opinion, I am not concerned too much about that, but what I am concerned about is that there are people here who really believe that Hearts are getting "best players" from Kaunas, who have become our "feeder club" and it is not making us a better team, we are getting worse.

I honestly believe we could put out a team of the Scotsmen we have on our books and get better results than we have been getting.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 15:49:38

#149 "In any case is a full-time job as youth coach a "demotion" as he was only a part-time first-team coach"

That depends. When SF was made caretaker manager instead of U-19 coach what would you have called that?
That was a (temporary) promotion. No?

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:54:07

149 you will have realised that Banderson does not leave his little broom cupboard. Instead he sits trawling through the daily rags finding the best stories to use as his own headlines. He has always done this and we accept that.

I cannot think of many of these so called speculative stories that dont end up coming out as fact a few weeks later though. Same as last season. Watch this space.

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Edinburgh University Graduate Grade "A" Plus,

19/08/2008 15:58:04

Defeat against St Mirren and its back to trauma time.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 15:59:03

Mon the Buddies!!

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 15:59:18

#144- I take it your "grade A plus" (have to admit I didn't realise they'd changed the system, wonder if I can get my 1st changed to an A plus?) wasn't in English? My almost-four-year-old nephew could do better than that.

JJ - completely take your point about loanees, in any "normal" club only the unwanted/inexperienced would be loaned out, but when in recent years have Hearts been a "normal" club! Also, there's validity in the argument that they wouldn't put a second-choice 'keeper on the pitch for a CL game, even if they didn't think they had a hope.

I don't know. It smells a bit funny, have to admit (especially given my prejudices about VR), but at the same time I'm not about to call Shabba a Riley (liar, that is). However if he turns out to be guff at the weekend........

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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

19/08/2008 16:03:42

#152 - key word is "temporary". People criticise Hearts but people like Frail and Banks have been given good chances by the club, even if it was circumstances of the club's doing that meant their chances were there. My point is people are discussing a Sun story as if it's fact.

#153 - "I cannot think of many of these so called speculative stories that dont end up coming out as fact a few weeks later"

You're joking right? Ronaldo for Rangers anyone! And we still haven;t seen a copy of this mysterious fax that Romanov apparently sends every week with the team on it - despite the Sun apparently having a mole in the camp and countless apparently "disgruntled" past employees.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 16:03:47

Lots of knickers in a right twist over nothing. Well done Banderson, I bet you have a right smirk on your face. Noticed you couldn't wait to get "demotion" in your cr4p article asap.

So when Obua and Tullberg line up in the first 11 and 2 players make way for them, are they being demoted? Is it a Vlad conspiracy that they are playing and 2 players are being dropped?

The current Banks situation is exactly what will happen when Obua and Tullberg start their first games only Banks, rather than going on the bench, has been asked to coach the reserves. Problem with that?

Comon guys use your heads for a change.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 16:04:52

Perhaps I am being overly sceptical. More than likely Vlad's secretary has made a simple mistake on the fax machine speed dial and Kello will be back in Lithuania before the weekend.

nb secretary has now been demoted to cleaner for her treachery!!

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mrhibs07,

Trucking About 19/08/2008 16:07:46

Blimey, vlad has picked the team early this week, hasn't he. Still beLIEving together are we?

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:08:15

156 - Roscoe, hi mate, to be honest I have no idea why Kello played as first choice in the CL against Rangers except that once he has played he is cup tied, but as I said before there were 5 goalkeepers listed at Kaunas and Kello was squaded at No 32 and he has been at Kaunas since 2007 sometime, well before the start of their current season started.

The point I have been trying to make is that with all these loans from Kaunas we are not improving so why do we continue using them, the last keeper we loaned from Kaunas played 3 times and is now back there in their squad and judging by posters on here he was very poor, that was Kurskis so the record for loan players is not good.

I am of course willing to give Kello a chance and will not criticise him until he deserves it, if he proves to be good then fine.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 16:12:35

JJ - to be fair I'm not exactly full of hope for his quality levels! I'm just trying to be a little more optimistic than I've been in recent years. If this sort of stuff continues I reserve the right to exercise my return ticket to curmudgeonville.

On a positive note, the one big difference between this season's FBK loanees is that we didn't get a busload of about 20 at once. Still skeptical that certain players are still getting games when, in my opinion, they're not worth the game, but it's not just loanees who fit that bill.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 16:12:50

I could probably right next Mondays Banderson article now.

Headline "Mole and Chesney DEMOTIVATED"

Demoted Hearts pair exasperated over new boys Obua and Tullberg moving straight into the first team. ETC ETC ETC.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 16:13:28

Sorry, this season's FBK loanees and those of the past couple of seasons........

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:16:21

#163 Roscoe - I think the loanees are having a negative effect on the moral of the team which in turn is causing the below par performances. Some of them seem to get preferencial treatment and play when they are not performing and it has a knock on effect on the rest of the squad.
We know there are players in there who will not pass to certain players etc, this cannot be good for the team.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:19:38

164 smithy - we are entitled to our opinions as I said and I respect yours, you think one thing and I think another thats OK.

I think if these are the best players it's time we stopped bringing them over is it not? Although I know we, the fans, will have no say in that of course.

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huggs,

19/08/2008 16:20:01

167 JJ Was Velicka not a loan player and i think he done really well for us
As for squad numbers ? Big deal Beckham wears 23 dont get your point

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 16:22:13

167 - I can completely see why you might think that, and at times over the last couple of seasons I'd have been inclined to agree. I think we know the main "untouchable" culprit!

However I'm going to take Shabba as a man of his word, for now, and give him a good few games at the very least to see whether he's telling the truth about team selection. I have to live in hope, don't think I could face another season of that clueless dwarf trying to pick the team (on a separate but related note, if his aim IS to 'showcase' players to punt them on at a higher price, why does he insist on playing them when they're playing badly - surely that DECREASES the value of your investment???? And who on earth would buy them anyway if they're that bad??. Gah. My brain hurts)

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:31:35

#170 - Roscoe yes I will give Lazslo some time, I hope Vlad does the same, to get things right and I will give Kello time also and I hope we do something this season, last season was a real confidence drag for me.

#171 Hi david, I dont get to post as often as I used to but it seems I am still getting the same response to some of my posts, some of them, which think are quite fair comments seem to cause some hot air.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 16:31:55

#170
Dont get sucked into Mr Negatives's world mate.Whatever anybody says he will sin to the negative iam afraid.
2 games into a season with a new guy at the helm who wants things done his way and quite right aswell.
Judge him after 20 games or more or we will become like every other greetin faced glory hunting club.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 16:32:08

#171 Ah, now that you're here - can you tell us how many times Kello played for Kaunas and how long he was there for?

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 16:36:34

So Smithy, it is just a massive coincidence that Kello comes from Kaunas. Phew Csaba must have been through an exhaustive search for his new keeper...

Instructions from Vlad.

"Ok Csaba nice to have you on board I would like you to select and sign a new keeper for the club....you have 5 to choose from now off you go and watch the Kaunas game"

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:38:32

#173 LF - I don't seee where the negativity comes into it, I was making a point in relation to a question I was asked. As you can see by my post to Roscoe I am happy to give the new manager and the keeper a chance to improve the performance from last season.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 16:42:37

173 LF - negative or realistic? Vlad's track record is not great in the integrity stakes.

It's only sheer willpower and denial of previous results that's allowing me to remain optimistic at the moment - how many times has Vlad said one thing and done another since he took over?

I'm still erring on the 'glass half full' side of things for the moment, but I can totally see where others are coming from, even if personally I'd wait a few more months. Perhaps the dog-end days of the transfer window will show us whether anything has really changed?

One thing's for sure, Vlad seriously underestimates the value of speaking to your 'customers'. Even a 'no comment' would have done on the Banks issue, and any half-decent businessman would have realised that and said something to either confirm or deny. Even just another of his 'monkey' quotes, let's face it monkeys could write a better paper than the staff at the "Scottish" *un.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 16:47:10

#178 JJ
I dont have to go that far back to find another of your made up negatives mate.

"I think the loanees are having a negative effect on the moral" is your offering at #167.

If you could explain to me why a Jambo would want to concoct a statement like that and not think he is doing some harm to the club i am all ears.
If you are indeed a Jambo of which i have my doubts then you are a dangerous individual to our great club.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 16:49:29

LF are you real?

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 16:49:45

John Hartson is in line to become a coach at Scotland's No1 team, the Hamilton Accies. Shares in bun shops as far away as Motherwell have risen by 35%.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:52:54

#181 OK LF you win - Hearts are a fantastic team, we are serious challengers for the SPL this season and I hope the team are filled with the cracking quality opf players that keep turning up from that fantastic football nation Lithuania and particularly their League champions of many years standing, FBK Kaunas.

We have a Manager who is of the highest calibre and an owber who without a doubt is the benchmark in showing the world in how a football club should be run, with his transparency, honesty and investment in the footballing market.

See I can be positive.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 16:56:27

the only explanation can be that LF is in fact related to Vladimir.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 16:57:20

#180 RPC
I agree with regards Vlad,but why should he have to come hither every time a hack decides to make up a load of rubbish with the sole intention of upsetting a club and its supporters because it has turned the corner and may become a threat again to the conglomerate.
We should be rising above this nonsense not jumping on the bandwagon aswell ffs.
After last season we should be happy to have a manager and a few new players and have an open mind about the season ahead.
Not lambasting the club at every given opportunity.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 16:58:09

LF You only quoted part of what I said about the moral of players. There are players who are getting a game who are not performing and they are only there because of one man and the rest of the players see that as well.

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NotAgain...surely!!!!,

19/08/2008 17:00:27

"turned the corner and may become a threat again to the conglomerate."

Took all day to arrive but quote of the day is here!

LF you are priceless, honestly made it all worthwhile. Bet youve already pre-ordered your season ticket for next year.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 17:00:31

#186 LF you are a plonker sometimes, I thought you were a reasonable poster but you seem to take offense when an opinion differs to yours.

My opinion does not take away the fact that I am a Jambo and have been for a long time and I did not like to see the performances of the last two seasons and I hope that things can improve this season.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 17:01:44

186 - believe me I'm trying! I completely agree he shouldn't HAVE to respond to every pile of cr*p written about Hearts (he'd need somebody on the staff full time to do that), but with something like this, which potentially undermines all the positive news recently if it is true, you'd think he'd take five minutes to put something on the club website, much like they did with BAnderson's previous cut & paste job.

I'm still positive about the team, but Vlad is going to have to do much, much better over a long period before I ever trust the wee sh*te again. I think he's got all the integrity of a New Labour politician.

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 17:01:51

Incidentally top six is an improvement but not good enough for a team of Hearts stature.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 17:01:55

#187 JJ
Csaba has played the same side apart from the keeper 2 games on the spin.The worst player in both games IMO has been Larry and he is supposed to be our best.So what players are you talking about ????

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 17:04:09

Come on guys, we all support the same team here, and we all want the same results - the results on the pitch.

Let's be adult and agree to differ.

Still think Midget Boy is a snake though! (that's a Vlad dig, not having a go at the more "vertically challenged" amongst us)

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 17:04:10

LF Just in case it passed you by we won one of the two and lost the other to the poorest Rangers team in years and lost 4 goals in the process, pick your players??

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Johnny Jambo,

19/08/2008 17:05:47

Incidentally in the games Rangers have played in the CL they lost to Kaunas the team who are supposed to be supplying us with their best players, if they played Rangers with their worst players why did we lose on Saturday????

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 17:06:51

#186. Agree whole heartedly.

Stripping this story back to the bare bones and looking at what is actually fact, we have signed a keeper from Kaunaus on loan who is from Hungary (Csabas birth place) and Banks has been given the role of youth team goal keeping coach.

Thats it end of.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 17:07:40

#195. Refs bent:0) Thats a whole different discussion.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 17:08:09

#189 JJ
Plonker is a bit meak & mild to the likes of me. ;-).
I just dont understand why a week ago everybody was posting what a good win we had against Motherwell and then a week later,down to some serious mischief making by a weegie hack we have become a team full of Lithuanian duds run by a crazed banker who couldnt give a flying **** for the supporters again.
You will be preaching for booing in the stands again soon.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 17:09:29

OOPS he's Slovakian!! SOZ :0)

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

19/08/2008 17:14:44

200 - the ref was Slovakian? That explains his "misinterpretation" of the scottish rules then......

My final word (be good to yourselves, and each other) on the Kello/Banks thing. Vlad might have stuck his beak back in, he might not. I'm keeping a healthy level of skepticism (as I do with most things) but I'll assume things are good until I see confirmation one way or the other.

Although LF - one thing is for sure, he absolutely, categorically does not give a flying **** for the supporters as individuals, as long as they pay. If he cared one iota he'd give us some feedback now and again.

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c mains hibby,

edinburgh 19/08/2008 17:18:35

HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN =A CLUB IN TURMOIL

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 17:23:06

#201 RPC
I will agree with you on that but i judge the club on the whole and they have done some very good things for me personally in the past(while Vlad has been there)and i expect good things from them in the future.
But i am sorry if i have upset the doomongers again today by not getting with the program and supporting my team.

Perhaps there is a few around these parts that should look up the word "support" in their dictionary.

Let me help you.
sup·port (s-pôrt, -prt)
tr.v. sup·port·ed, sup·port·ing, sup·ports
1. To bear the weight of, especially from below.
2. To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
3. To be capable of bearing; withstand: "His flaw'd heart . . . too weak the conflict to support" Shakespeare.
4. To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
5. To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
6. To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
7.
a. To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.
b. To argue in favor of; advocate: supported lower taxes.
8. To endure; tolerate: "At supper there was such a conflux of company that I could scarcely support the tumult" Samuel Johnson.
9. To act in a secondary or subordinate role to (a leading performer).
n.
1.
a. The act of supporting.
b. The state of being supported.
2. One that supports.
3. Maintenance, as of a family, with the necessities of life.

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Just Me " Again ",

19/08/2008 17:27:58

Was going to jump on board, nah wont bother its the Flute hour.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 17:35:19

Awright Smithy

Toot du toot toot

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 17:43:32

Alright LF me old mucker. You missed one.

"Support". Something a bra provides. Been a few t1ts on here recently. Give em some support:0)

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 17:48:12

#208 VM
LOL...
True enough mate.Thanks for picking me up on that blatant error.

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Daillyman,

19/08/2008 17:55:05

Questio to the HMFC supporters, what did you think of the young keepers performance at Ibrox?

I thought the lad handled himself very well.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 18:08:17

#210

Considering the young lad didnt really have anything to do except pick the ball out the net twice, each time neither his fault i thought he did ok. Can you remember him having to make many saves from this awe inspiring Rangers team? For a rangers team that some say dominated the game id have thought our keeper would have had a lot of shots to save.

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Daillyman,

19/08/2008 18:15:16

211 GF

One decent save I remember was him coming well off his line to save from Boyd who was through on his own.

Like I sais I thought he handled himself well in a big match.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 18:25:12

#212

Your correct that was a very good save, had he not been quick off his line Boyd im sure could have scored there.

Apart from that though there wasnt really much he has to do. Which im surprised about as I'd have though WS seeing he was in goal would have told his players to really test him get some shots and high cross balls in early.

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GrahamL,

19/08/2008 18:25:20

http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1370565,00.html

"Heart of Midlothian Football Club today (19 August 2008) announces that Alex Koslovski has left his role at Tynecastle.

A club spokesperson said "Alex leaves Hearts with our best wishes for the future""

Alex Koslovski?? Anyone? Doesn't ring any bells here...

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 18:39:03

#214

No idea m8, probably one of Vlads hench men that worked behind the scenes, no-one of any real importance anyway.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 18:51:52

He is the kiddie that said we where all racist's if memory serves,but i think he apologised.
Oh well,ta ta Alex.
Wonder if he got the gooner in a meeting with the team ;-)..???

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 19:29:56

#214 GL, well i'm chuffed that koslovski has left. he was one of the useless hangers-on. employed as some kind of physio/consultant/scout/negotiator/interpretor, jack of all trades - master of none type gadge.

unfortunately it will simply result in some other arrogant, unaccountable, over-paid, under-worked ers* coming in.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 19:47:34

Have you applied for the vacant position yet serg ??

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 19:49:43

#218 serg, £200K pa yer ers*. you don't even know how many sides a triangle has.

multiply that by 20 months serg ya custard cannon ye.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 19:51:56

evening LF. watch out, serg is about. watch out, serg is about, you better watch out 'cos serg is abooooooot!!!

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 19:56:45

Evening VI.
Serg's custard cannon is running on empty at the moment.He has just pulled out his copy of the JT accounts again looking for the name of Koslovski and he couldnt help himself emptying his matter all over the unstuck pages.
There canny be to many unstuck ones left.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:02:58

#222 LF, i just hope i don't end up having to sit on the seat in the gorgie suite which he was on when he famously attended the hearts egm (as a hobo). he's undoubtedly saturated it with some of his best swimmers.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:09:23

#224 serg, yeah it's only money. £12M sterling in exchange for 13% equity in hearts.

doesn't sound to me like the best deal for ubig, eh serg?

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 20:12:04

#223
LOL.
No nice Vic...
Poor Serg,not his fault he is caught between being a hobo and a Jambo.
Does that make him a Jamho or a Bobo or just a kn@b.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:13:06

#224

saddo serg is there some reason you are using the name from an email address from the TOTT forums? why do you use peoples names? do you get of on it or something?

FWIW if you think thats me or im bothered about it you are very much mistaken, however the person whos name you have decided to frauduently use has reported it.

So bash on saddo, as i said you are only continuing to do what you have always done on these forums, make a complete and utter clown of yourself....by the way, have you had a chance to check out the thread on JKB about you yet?.....you should, its an absolute peach, and quite interesting reading as well, looks like your well known personally as well, since you like using peoples personal details im sure you will find it ironic your personal details are being posted

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:14:22

#226 LF, makes him a bonobo. very apt.

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:15:57

#227 GF, nice. which thread?

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 20:16:53

#225 VI
You shouldnt be quoting figures to the nerd VI,someone has to clean up after the wee sowel when he has his Barclays all over the screen...

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what a chancer,

lipped out 19/08/2008 20:17:27

is larry just looking after himself ,the shift he puts on now and again has my doubts,i wonder if he will over strain himself playing for ghana.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:17:33

#229

Vic ill tell you on TOTT m8, ill let the little saddo trawl for it himself, since thats his favourite hobby.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 20:19:10

#227 GF
Couldnt pass some of that information this direction my man.
That will be another pint i owe ya ;-)

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:20:00

#230 LF, ha ha ha!!!

#232 GF, cheers mate.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:25:59

Aww Serg. I actually feel abit sorry for you. Net is closing in son. Only time well tell what happens next!

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:30:06

To quote a famous G&R song. GOING DOWNNNNN IN A BLAZE OF erm well mixed up bs pretending to be a Lith for 19 months and pretty much making a tw4t of himself GLORY!

Aww Serg. Do you want your mummy??

LOL!

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:31:32

OH!!! I nearly forgot....

Serg.

How many sides does a triangle have?

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:36:18

GREEEEEETINGS GENTLEMEN!!!!

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what a chancer,

over and out 19/08/2008 20:37:09

a bit obtuse this ,and sometimes acute but right of the tangent,is there no end to this cicle.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:37:57

#235

I can assure you serg there was and is a thread contianing details about you, will take you a little while to find maybe as it was made some weeks ago, however it is there and i have passed the link onto Vic now.

As VM says the net is closing in fast around you. tick tock tick tock

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what a chancer,

oh 19/08/2008 20:38:43

no im not a mason .

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:42:13

Serg??? How you feeling serg??? 19 months??????

Pressure serg????? What next?? Regretting your actions?

OOOOFT!

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:43:23

evening VM!!!!

oh what a beautiful evening, oh what a beautiful day, i've got a lovely feeling, sergy is coming my way!!!

yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!

it's the final countdown.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:45:30

Vic check your inbox again m8, you as well LF

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what a chancer,

jings 19/08/2008 20:45:31

can i not get an arguement here about my comment on larry.

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:47:27

At the end of the day. Only YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. No one else. Bed lie in it.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:48:10

VM sent a pm to you as well on TOTT m8

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:51:51

Serg is trawling as we speak. He's logged onto JKB now ;-) good luck serg happy trawling. Hahaha saddo

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Vlad Magic,

19/08/2008 20:51:53

#246. Serg. You can.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 20:56:37

Thankyou for that GF.
Most interesting and informative.

2 pints it is my good man ;-)

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 20:57:00

Oh and another thread about sergy has been found. Lets have some quotes from it.

"Sergy from flumps.net will be crying tonight as well!"

"Just to save his constant trawling, Ukio Bankas profits are up by 19.6%!

Now, we don't really care but I'm confused because I'm sure our sponsors were about to go bust according to his esteemed financial expertise."

Hahahaha

"Does Sergy work for Northern Rock by any chance?"

hahaha

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droggs,

19/08/2008 20:58:34

New manager at jambo castle but still the same weird team selections.
If my fellow jambos still say Romanov is no longer involved in team selection
then they are as blinkered as a ref at a cr ap firm game.

It only took him two games to start his interference with the team.

Who is next to get the Romanov rant of disloyalty. Must be the fans turn soon???!!!

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 20:59:24

tick tock tick tock...

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:01:47

#254

Precisely m8
Tick tock tick tock.....sergy come in your time is up.....me thinks its time for a new disguise a completely new one as well, because your numbers up....tick tock tick tock

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Just Me " Again ",

19/08/2008 21:04:10

The boyz in maroon are the talk o the toon,

hee hee you'd better beLIEve it,

All for the wrong reasons,

HGBFF

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:05:56

#255

Totally amazing sergy, on that i will agree with you :-)

I can guarantee though 100% you know not a jot about me, you may think you do, you may think you even know my name, all that time you have spent thinking you had me and you have nothing, if only you knew :-)

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:07:17

"You underrate Sergey at your peril! As we speak he will be trawling the internet to find proof of the fact that Vlad is in fact a front man for the Illuminati, and Kaunas' victory tonight is the first step towards the world being taken over by a master race who are half Lithuanian and half lizard"

Hahaha

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 21:07:54

#255, yes predicable response. the time and date will be less predictable serg, for you anyway.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 21:11:00

#259
Poor old Serg,what a Ukia Banker.

tick tock tick tock

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:12:11

You know whats the saddest thing in all this, Is someone could be as sad as to have a known reputation for trawling the internet forums looking for anything on a football team and an owner of that team that the person has absolutely nothing to do with. The persons rival football team, yet he spends more time concentrating on Them than his own team......a complete an utter loser, it almost makes me feel sorry for him.

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 21:12:20

oops Ukio,barclays,Hsbc

all the same banker to serg.

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Just Me " Again ",

19/08/2008 21:18:22

" Fools Paradise " = Tynecastle Park

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LionheartFodithman,

19/08/2008 21:20:38

Just Me " Again " = Fool

Predictable but true all the same.

They are there serg...keep looking !!

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victorian of gorgie ,

19/08/2008 21:21:48

#264, oh noo noo noo serg. that's not how it's going to be played out. silly little sergy.

think again serg. remember your green cross code. always look and listen, then look and listen again.

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13th June 1984,

19/08/2008 21:23:04

I would just like to agree with No:52 - CBJambo

Good post. My feelings.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:45:58

#264

The details are there old sergy boy, get your trawling hat on, cmon your supposed to be the No1 trawler, dig deep thats all im saying, theres a big clue for you.

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Gorgie's Finest,

19/08/2008 21:47:43

I particlularly liked this quote about Serg on the other thread.

"The most obvious fudge dragon hunter on equalrightsforhomelessrentboys.net, with his "male model" avatar. Stupid also. I doubt he could give you a number if you asked him what 50% of 100 was."

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13th June 1984,

19/08/2008 22:07:07

No:271

Post of the day.

We are now simply a shop window for players to showcase their talent. Lithuanian talent if the truth be told.

What money from Kello will we see if he is sold?

We're being conned.

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Edinburgh University Graduate Grade "A" Plus,

19/08/2008 22:26:56

#272 spot on there,

My point has to be stewart getting into scotland squad,
come on now he is just a large cup.

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handsome love guru. And very rich. HEE HEE HE HE,

19/08/2008 22:47:14

#271 You've got it wrong, I once paid £84 for a fry up in a top hotel

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13th June 1984,

19/08/2008 22:52:53

Is there a pecking-order on these forums?

How can one become accepted?

Who's ring-piece do I need to lick?

It seems a little clique.

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RANGERS LOYALIST,

HAMPDEN 19/08/2008 22:55:42

If I paid blah blah million roubles for a new toy, then I'm damn sure I'd decide what went on.
I'd pick the manager and if he was rubbish I'd pick another one.
Then I'd have a goat picking the team myself.
Then I don't know what I'd do after that.
But the more people told me not to do it that way, the more I'd do it the other way.
Etc,Etc.
Always assuming I was 7 years old of course.....

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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 19/08/2008 22:56:34

Yes I'd have a goat picking the team.....

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Man with no name,

19/08/2008 23:00:06

Was on TOTT hee hee hee,
talk about head in the sand,

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Edinburghs only big team,

19/08/2008 23:08:53

277# I don't think criticising anyone from lithuania would make sense for you.

Vlads other team pumped you lot - big time.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

20/08/2008 09:28:43

#204 - I'm sure you don't care, but I find that post deeply offensive and not a little condescending.

Supporting the team does not and should not mean I have to agree with everything Our Dear Leader does or says. He's a pr ick, pure and simple, with absolutely no integrity, who holds every single one of us in contempt. I'd like to think he's going to keep his beak out from now on, but the evidence of his tenure thus far suggests he won't.

Don't dare suggest that by thinking like that I don't support the team. I've never, for example, ever booed a player on the pitch (well, a Hearts player anyway). My heart is full of hope for this season ahead, unfortunately my mind knows there's a chance that Vlad will stick his beak in again and ruin everything. I hope to he11 he doesn't, but I won't be totally surprised if he does.

Vlad is not Hearts. Hearts were around long before he was and will still be long after he's taken the hint and naffed off.

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