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Fractured league system is in need of an overhaul



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Published Date: 10 March 2008
WITH no game this weekend and lots of comments on last week's column – mostly favourable, thankfully – I wondered what else might stimulate debate.
Kickback gave me a topic – the Scottish Football League system, which now needs massive reform, not just tinkering.

Wikipedia rightly comments that the Scottish system is more complicated than many other national league systems and is "amongst t
he most fractured and multi-faceted in Europe".

Confusingly, Junior football has nothing to do with the age of the players but is the equivalent of non-league football in England.

As well as the SPL and SFL, we have three regional leagues – Highland, East of Scotland and South of Scotland.

This season has seen a change in the Scottish Cup with 36 non-SPL/SFL sides entitled to enter, starting in the first round along with a small number of Junior sides – which led for example to this season's clash between Linlithgow and Queen of the South.

Beyond this there are over 1,000 clubs with about 35,000 players in 67 Amateur football leagues.

Any form of change has always proved very difficult. Each Association or league has its "blazers" – the office bearers who are very protective of their position and afraid of losing their privileges.

Yet I know from my time in Ayrshire that some Junior football matches attract bigger crowds than almost all games outside the SPL and First Division.

I have been at a Cumnock/Auchinleck clash at which the crowd was well over 3000 and which was as competitive as any Old Firm game. The Junior Cup Final also attracts big crowds and is usually a thrilling spectacle.

At the top end, an SPL with twelve clubs means that we play each club three times before the unpopular split.

Not only can this mean unfairly balanced fixtures but also that the contestants become too familiar with each other's play. In the lower leagues it is even worse and the lack of pressure on clubs for promotion or relegation makes the competition less exciting than in England.

Interesting suggestions for reform have been posted on Kickback.

The one which kicked off the debate involves two national divisions of 20 clubs each and three regional leagues – North, East and West with three, five and four divisions respectively.

This allows all clubs in the Senior and Junior game the opportunity of promotion and threat of relegation, no club would be playing another more than twice a season, and the split would end.

There are other options but this one helps to start the debate.

I am not optimistic, however, that the football authorities will be keen to pick it up.

In Scotland we have been far more reluctant to accept any change than our colleagues south of the Border.

In England there have been many changes already and, with a new full-time Executive Chairman of the Football Association, we could see more.

We need to try to build up a similar head of steam in Scotland for reform.

A reformed league system, as suggested above, two cup competitions, both of which give entry to European competition, full-time referees and the use of modern technology all need to be considered, if football in Scotland is to prosper.


Grounds for enthusiasm over welcoming places for away fans
THE aftermath of the Celtic game and the prospect of our visit to Love Street set me thinking of various merits and demerits of away venues.

Incidentally, both David McLetchie and I have now asked for a meeting with Strathclyde Police following complaints from Hearts supporters about police and stewards at the Celtic match.

We have also been in touch with both clubs who have been very helpful and are looking at the various complaints and working together on them.

Experiences reported to me and my own knowledge of the Glasgow grounds put them low on my list to visit.

Aside from problems with the Police, to be so heavily outnumbered and put into a corner to be shouted at, is not my idea of fun.

Aberdeen and Caley Thistle are not for the fainthearted feather-bedded types – I have felt like Scott of the Antarctic shivering in a bitingly cold wind off the North Sea at Pittodrie – in May.

So which are the grounds where Jambos are both welcome and can stand a fairly good chance of surviving the 90 minutes?

My own favourite is Rugby Park. This results partly from the totally selfish position – when travelling from Ayr it was like a home game.

Tannadice is also an acceptable venue, and when they were in the SPL so were Dens Park and East End Park.

And as for Easter Road, what can I say without upsetting my Hibby friends whose attention may stray to this column?






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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2008 11:40 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Arfur,

10/03/2008 12:23:24
totally agree with Foulkes on this one. The scottish league is getting boring and predictable. Just about everyone and their granny in Scotland wants more teams in the top division but it will never happen as Chairmen are too gready for the Old Firm cash.
2

Arfur,

10/03/2008 12:24:04
gready???? should be greedy.
3

Iain Bhern,

10/03/2008 12:44:02
The first thing that's needed is to stop this nonsense of teams playing each other 4 times a season. Until they do that it's extremely unlikely anyone outside the Old Firm will ever win the league.
4

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 10/03/2008 12:47:02
Arfur
I agree that a larger league won't happen because it would mean less games therefore less cash.

But don't fall for the old chestnut about OF cash. This is just a myth perpetuated by followers of the great unwashed. Games against the Old Firm generate minimum extra income for clubs. The few hundred extra seats (at most)filled 2 or 3 times a season are usually partly offset by home fans who stay away to avoid the bile coming from the away sections. The Old Firm DO NOT subsidise other clubs in any significant way.
5

Boris,

Back of the fridge 10/03/2008 13:04:54
I'm terribly sorry Mr Foulkes finds the north of Scotland so cold. What a load of central belt propaganda. As a Caley supporter, the coldest game I ever attended was actually in Livingston.
6

We love fitba,

10/03/2008 13:09:26
"Kickback gave me a topic" - dear me, what a way to start an article! Are you donating the fee to kickback, George?!
7

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 10/03/2008 13:20:05
The only changes needed for me, are ...
Forget the split, let's just play out a season as "normal".
I'd like to see a return to the mini leagues for the "League" Cup as per the good old days.
Finally...Get in referees from England etc, and ditch the weegie loving incumbents.
8

voice of SectionG,

Edinburgh 10/03/2008 13:42:39
On the topic of away grounds, I'm always hearing from supporters of other clubs that their favourite is Tyncastle. As for Tanidice I was very unhappy at the New Year game when I pre-booked a ticket for £25 and was made to sit over the corner flag when there was a cash gate for away fans for £22 and they got to sit over the half way line. -- It's just wrong and demonstrates the contempt with which away fans are held all over Scotland.
9

GrahamL,

10/03/2008 13:57:10
#8 You mean like this?:
http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1244054,00.html

Funny, can't seem to find the EEN report on that story...
10

Bleeding Heart...,

10/03/2008 14:02:31
#4 Good point. I think that is particularly true at Tynecastle this season.

We've read a lot about the need for Hearts to make the "top six".

Maybe from a "pride" point of view, but certainly not from a financial perpective.

With near sell-out crowds, Tynecastle certainly doesn't need to unnecessarily endure a cultural exchange visit from the OF and their "fans"...
11

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 10/03/2008 16:16:37
Not sure about the two larger senior leagues. We had two leagues of 18 for a very long time before 1975, it was changed then because of too many "meaningless" games, I think 20 would just be too many.

If you look at Scotland's senior teams, is there really any more than 16 or so that can support full-time football and decent facilities? I would like to see a 16-12-12 system with a proper pyramid below that.
12

Bigwull,

edinburgh 10/03/2008 16:46:47
Its got to be either a ten team league and play each other four times, or an eighteen team league and play each other twice, anything else is a farce, oh and 2 up 2 down it 10 teams 3up 3 down if 18, that'd keep the interest going
13

Waspy100,

10/03/2008 19:34:22
Personally I cant see the problem with an 18 side league.
With a lot of good clubs in the first division lets reorganise with the top six joining the SPL and reorganise the other divisions.
A bit extra revenue to some of the "smaller" clubs might give them a bit more incentive to stay in the SPL
and raise the standard.
2 up 2 down play offs if need be at least it will stop the boredom an we will be a truly European league.
Give the minnows a chance to show what they can do
14

BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2008 19:38:56
There's no possibility of a return to a 10 team league, because the SPL had to agree to expand to at least 12 before gaining the required votes to break away in the first place.

I'm not a fan of the "split", but I don't think that it's the main flaw. That has to be the fact that the split occurs when we've played each other 3 times, which creates a very inequitable situation. And, contrary to what posts 4 and 10 say, it is precisely this guarantee of 3 games against each half of the OF which stops the system from being sensibly reformed.

A return to a top division of 16 or 18, and a straightforward "once home and once away" format, which would incorporate less games and therefore allow a mid-season break in January has to be the best way forward, but don't hold your breath.
15

Waspy100,

10/03/2008 19:53:11
#14
It would also give teams competing in Europe a better chance No great lover of the OF but it would give teams competing a better chance without a fixture overload
16

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10/03/2008 20:24:35
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Waspy100,

10/03/2008 20:56:08
#16
Couldn't agree more Victor but with the greed or the need of other clubs we probably will not see it.
Shame really.

Slainte
18

Waspy100,

10/03/2008 21:03:30
Other option is to split the gate money between clubs as in the old days.

Only joking of course
19

BEMUSED EXILE,

10/03/2008 21:05:34
victor

Another problem is that you have to factor in cup-ties. If Hibs (heaven forbid from your viewpoint) make the top 6, then they will end up playing Rangers 6 times. Same now applies to Aberdeen against Celtic.

This familiarity breeds boredom.
20

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

10/03/2008 21:08:35
Unfortunately I fear we are stuck with the current set up because it is all about money and not the game.

I like to take in lower division games now and again. You feel your tenner is making a difference and watching as a neutral is refreshing.

No bigotry, no segregation, good craic with the auld guys and decent cheap pies. Standing behing the dug oot and even having a fly fag on the open terraces. Braw.

I tell you brothers it is the way forward. Adopt an honest, established old club from Fife, Stirlingshire or Angus. Go see them a few times a season and reconnect with what the game is really about.

SAME RULES APPLY !!!
21

Brian-still-Hearts-mad-after-all-those-years,

sydney 11/03/2008 00:04:32
#16. Going to an 18 team league sounds the most sensible option from an interest point of view, maybe with 2 up and 2 down plus a play off between 3rd bottom of the SPL and 3rd top of div one. And perhaps a return to the old league cup format (with the group stage) would help make up for the fewer number of home games.
It seems it could be time to seriously consider change.
22

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:06:29
#10 BLEEDIN' HEART

You'll be happy then BH........since your team seem to be doing everything possible to ensure that you'll never, ever have to face the OF ever again.........Feckin' LIGHT years behind..........just like you wanted it.
Itsa scoop...."A Happy Jambo !!!"..and now we know why!
23

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:09:09
#16 VICTORIAN

Just consulted the history books and can advise that the SPL was formed PRECISELY because the 18-team arrangement WASN'T WORKING..........( a bit like maist Jambos really Eh??)
24

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:12:18
#13 WASPY

I sense you think you might get the occasional victory in such a set-up Waspy??
I suppose anything's worth a try if yer a Jambo on starvation rations !!
25

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:13:35
#1 ARFUR

.and how pray, do YOU think Hearts would vote sir??........(always assuming that they were still IN the top division of course)
26

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:21:19
#8 VOICE OF SECTION G
You're confused Sir.
Other fans like Tynie thesae days because of the near guaranteed three points....that coupled with all the singin' and dancing for no extra charge, a wee run on the bus tae the capital, and a nice fish supper oan the wie hame.......who wid think o' missin' it??
Maybe that's why yer gates hinna totally collapsed...it's the excitement and party atmosphere at the away end that does it, Eh??
27

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:23:26
#17 WASPY 100
that'll be "other teams" INCLUDING Hearts then Sir??..........or are you just exhibiting another example of selective Jambo logic then?????
28

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 09:24:30
#19 BEMUSED EXILE

Yup...dead right..EVERYBODY is bored cuffing Hertz !!!
29

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11/03/2008 09:26:49
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Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 10:33:29
#29 VICTOR/CORGY

At odds with "Your" world certainly Sir !!

(Can we take it that you'll be "VICTOR" on odd days of the month maybe, and "CORGY" on even days then?)
Just for interest...when the nurse comes round with the medication....do you EACH get a tablet...or does the one do for the both of you??
31

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11/03/2008 11:06:43
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32

Bleeding Heart...,

11/03/2008 14:27:35
#31 Quite! Riley's clearly off his rocker.

I don't think I've encountered anyone with so much bile. Is there a shrink in the house..?

#20 Well said. I think you've hit the nail on the head, there!
33

Laughing at The Jambos,

11/03/2008 20:25:38
#31 VICTORIAN

Well done sir. That's the first step towards a cure...admitting you have a real problem.....and don't worry, that's what we pay taxes for...just to help the Gorgie Damned!!
#32 BLEEDING HEART
Bile?? I'll give you REAL bile when it's warranted. I'm only warming up for you poor deflated cretins.You ain't seen NUTHIN' yet........,cos I'm gonna give as good as I get for as long as you guys've got the b4lls to try and defend the indefensible at GORGON Rd. these days.
34

Bleeding Heart...,

11/03/2008 21:08:12
#33 Your problem - and I'm beginning to think you really do have one now - is that you spew out your bile whether it's merited or not.

You're in a permanent state of aggression - what's wrong with your life, eh?

The situation at HMFC, and guys who post on these pages, have become your target and some sort of means of venting all this anger.

I mean, what's so unusual about some Hearts fans defending their team? That's understandable, isn't it? Why should that vex you to the point of fury, day after day after day..?

I think your behaviour and attitude are irrational and unreasonable in the circumstances. Perhaps you should sort your personal problems out first...


 

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