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Bolton one of 5 clubs tracking Hearts striker Velicka



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Published Date:
07 January 2008
BOLTON WANDERERS were one of five English clubs watching Andrius Velicka at Tynecastle on Saturday as the Lithuanian's goal secured Hearts a 1-1 draw with Kilmarnock.
Velicka prodded home his tenth of the season to equalise Paul di Giacomo's opener and his potent form has alerted Gary Megson, the Bolton manager, who dispatched a scout to Edinburgh to assess the player. The Evening News can reveal that one other En
glish Premier League club and three Championship clubs were also in attendance to monitor Velicka.
ATTENTION: Andrius Velicka
ATTENTION: Andrius Velicka

The Trotters face the prospect of their principal strike force being dissolved this month, prompting Megson to seek reinforcements. El-Hadji Diouf left the Reebok Stadium yesterday to join Senegal's preparations for the African Nations' Cup, whilst Nicolas Anelka is expected to complete a £10million transfer to Chelsea before the transfer window closes.

Megson views Velicka as a potential replacement who wouldn't command an exorbitant transfer fee. Though Hearts are keen to retain the services of their top goalscorer, the club's majority shareholder, Vladimir Romanov, is understood to be willing to accept offers in the region of £2m for the Lithuanian internationalist.

Interim manager Stephen Frail was delighted with Velicka's contribution against Kilmarnock, in particular the goal which halted Hearts' depressing run of six straight defeats.

"I know what Velicka gives me every week and I had to drag him off at the end," he said.

Megson watched Bolton exit the FA Cup at home to Sheffield United on Saturday without Anelka. He admits his side are not best prepared for losing influential players, hence the interest in Velicka and other strikers.

He said: "It is a loss, but we knew this was coming. In terms of contingency plans and making sure we are in the right shape knowing they are going, I am not sure we are.

"However that is something we have to cope with."

Velicka's compatriot, Deividas Cesnauskis, was Hearts' most threatening player against Kilmarnock in his first starting appearance at Tynecastle since October 2006.

"I played against Dundee United and I went on and I thought I did not so bad. I wanted to play," he said.

"It is very difficult to be out of the team for every player.

"Every player wants to play on the pitch and when I sit on the bench I cannot watch the game.

"I want to do something good. It is always easy when you watch and difficult when you play.

"I believe in the future and I hope this team will go forward from this position.

"I think we have good players and, with players back from injury and Larry Kingston, we can come back and do something."



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  • Last Updated: 07 January 2008 11:30 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

07/01/2008 10:35:28
A player who was sent home on the eve of the season, only to be brought back within a week.

Just the start of the baffling decisions made this season.

I like him as a player. God work rate and a very good finisher. Not the best player outside the box, but thats not where he earns his crust.

2 million would be too good to turn down though. Although I suspect that the figure mentioned in the article was made up by the reporter ;o)
2

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 10:38:33
Not sure where they got the £2mill as I've never heard anyone saying he was for sale.

£2mill would be excellent business imo. Not bad goalscorer but does very little else.
3

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/01/2008 10:42:52
Poor first touch, lack of control, inability to hold ball up, unable to bring other players into the game and despite his size he wins very few headers. I would happily take £2m for him.
4

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 07/01/2008 10:44:59
Can't be sold, it's as simple as that. Forget the money, Romanov, you don't need it.

Great goalscorer if nothing else. Both goals v Celtic at Darkheid in the CIS were crackers, best I've seen in a Maroon jersey for 40 years.
5

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 10:51:43
It's only good business if the 2million is spent replacing him with better quality and not going straight to Vlad. If he goes for that price that will be something in the region of 15million in transfer fees we have brought in since Vlad took over. If this is not reducing the debt or being spent on replacing players with better quality then where is the money going? Into vlads pocket, something im not happy about, even bringing in a couple of high quality players under bosman's and paying a big wage to use up say 5 million of that money would be something.
6

Graham Rix ate my hamster,

07/01/2008 10:57:53
Sorry to go off track a bit...


Recieved an e-mail this morning from a friend who said that Hearts are supposed to be in negotiations with Aberdeen over Barry Nicholson?

Think he is out of contract at the end of the season.

Anyone heard owt??

7

Jambo-ree,

07/01/2008 11:01:41
Am I not correct in thinking that Velicka is in fact a Kanaus player on loan to us? If so then we would not sniff any of the transfer fee.
8

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 07/01/2008 11:07:26
#8 You beat me to it. Absolutely correct!
9

petegeneva,

geneva, CH 07/01/2008 11:11:07
#8, #9
wikipeia (OK, I know!!!!) sez;
Striker Velicka also joined Hearts on loan from Kaunas in August 2006. He was the Edinburgh side's top scorer during the 2006-07 season. Initially, his loan deal at Hearts ended without being renewed. However, he has since returned for 2007-08.

if true, HoMFC'll see nothing from his transfer fee.
10

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

07/01/2008 11:16:10
11 - What planet are you on.

FBK make no money and have very little invested in them - Vlad uses all of his clubs to move money around but the bottom line is that the only team he spends any real money on is Hearts, so that £2 million will just be used to cover wages of other new players at Hearts.

The bottom line is though:

1 - He wont be sol
2 - He wouldnt get 2 million
3 - FBK are a puppet team and a front for tax dodging
11

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 07/01/2008 11:18:39
Hmmm - I spy strangers!
12

Another voice,

07/01/2008 11:27:27
Velicka has been a reasonable player during his year or so with the club. I still get the feeling that he misses too many opportunities that he should realy convert.

Ok the £2m will go to kanaus, however if there is a loan agreement then hearts will be due compensation from kanaus for the early termination of the loan agreement.

Now all hearts need to do is get rid of Miko, bennyuseless, kurkis etc, as well as the likes of elliot, nade and popisill before we can sign a decent striker.
13

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 11:42:22
This can't be true...Hearts are not a selling club.....
ha-ha-ha......
14

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 11:43:24
The money goes right in the tail........
just like spotty's dosh......
ha-ha-ha........
15

LyonHearts,

le teil 07/01/2008 11:48:45
Great bit of business it would be to sell our top goalscorer and the one player who gives 100% when we are second bottom of the league and we have a CIS semi-final coming up!

Get wise Jambos, if we sell of our best assets and don't replace them then we'll be going to places like Perth, Kircaldy & Stirling next season!
16

GrahamL,

07/01/2008 11:54:44
Ultimately, this is a test of what's really happening at Tynecastle.
IF we are getting a real manager soon, with full control over the playing staff, we cannot be selling any players until he has come in and made his decision as to who he wants at the club.
If on the other hand, that's all bluster to keep the fans quiet for the next 3 weeks, then Velicka will go and the money disappear into which ever part of Vlads empire he wants it to.
17

Silence of the Yams,

07/01/2008 12:16:32
Vlad January sales eh?
18

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 12:25:13
Had it been next season yams are in play-off position..........
ha-ha-ha..........
19

Bigwull,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 12:37:05
22 why dont you get a life, look at your own little teams problems 1st
20

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 07/01/2008 12:42:21
# Mixu 6-2/Hibs FC; Silence of the Yams

Why don't you hop over to the St Mirren-Hibs match report where, strangely, there are only two posts???????????????
21

Old Reekies Big Team,

07/01/2008 12:44:43
Too all you stupid Hearts supporters who still continue to believe in this complete and utter idiot of a club owner. WAKE UP!!!!!!!! our club is being raped from under our noses and we're sitting back like idiots and letting it happen.
Most of the guys that come on here just spout utter nonsense about trivial facts and its driving me insane!!!
Our football club is just a shambles at the moment. Look at the league table we are second bottom for god's sake.

As for the hobo muppets on here.

Mixu 6-2 Jesus mate you seriously need a girlfriend/boyfriend everyday the same boring attempts at goading. You are and always will be a fan of a small unambitious football team. 6-2 mmmm I would rather have 4-0 at hampden any day. FOOL

Anton Šalkauskas dear o dear do you actually get a kick out of your daily attempts at humour? Suprised you haven't started putting "ski" after every word. Get some friends!!
22

Taras Shevchenko,

07/01/2008 12:51:15
Andrius Velicka is the kind of player that can dig out a goal out of nothing....I've appreciated him being at hearts and I hope we hang on to him longer, whether he's a loan player or not.
23

Taras Shevchenko,

07/01/2008 12:58:38
25 Old Reekies Big Team, when I want a break from work - what do I want to clear my head - a game of minesweeper or reading posts by victor, Anton et al?

I'll take the posts thanks...mind you, if you could just work in minesweeper AND the blogs and hopefully see mixu 6-2 lose his 2 typing fingers...then that sounds like a pretty awesome head clearing experience.
24

Ooh Ah Ginger God,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 12:58:56
£2M for Velicka..what planet is everyone on..he is decent but cant last 90 minutes and at times is a lazy arab!
Typical journalistic rubbish....As Ricky Tomlinson would say £2M ...my a**e!!!!
25

scorchio,

kirkcaldy 07/01/2008 13:03:06
Sell him!
26

game over,

07/01/2008 13:04:33
SELL.SELL.SELL dooms day is looming 14/01/08 RIP 1874-2008
27

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 13:05:19
£2m - bite their hand off!.
Just a pity you haven't got another 19 players worth the same or you too could elliminate your debt.
28

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 13:05:37
Let's all laugh at Hibs instead.
29

Arnie,

Newington 07/01/2008 13:07:01
I am a big Velicka fan and would be gutted if he went. To all the fans who reckon we should sell him I hope you enjoy watching Calum Elliot for the rest of the season. Basically if we played Velicka and Nade or Pospisil as two up front we would not be in this position.

Also thought Hearts performance on Saturday was excellent and its a pity it was ruined by Calum Elliot.
30

Old Reekies Big Team,

07/01/2008 13:07:11
#28 So it's not just me then!! It's just so pathetic mate. Everyday these two muppets come out with the same dross. Good idea with the minesweeper by the way, would prefer too actually meet them in person and have a wee chat about the meaning of life.
31

Old Reekies Big Team,

07/01/2008 13:08:35
Oh yes, we have a new comedian NYC Hibee!! Yipee!! He's cool because he's from NYC.
32

Taras Shevchenko,

07/01/2008 13:10:04
#31 I like a good wind up as much as the next guy and I dish out enough banter, so I accept reading any hobo-talk when it comes BUT that's not even funny joking about a club going into liquidation. Have a word with yersell.
33

Taras Shevchenko,

thanks for all the fish. 07/01/2008 13:15:51
35 Old Reekies Big Team, what do you mean "So it's not just me then!!"...I was meaning I enjoy reading a lot of the posts on this forum...so it is just you...this forum is a nice change to kickback or bounce where everyone is on the same page.

btw, the meaning of life = 42.

34

busbyfh,

07/01/2008 13:17:56
# 26

Totally agree .
Having a picture of the queen in a football team's dressing room is totally and utterly pathetic.

# 29/30

£1m for Velicka - Bight the proverbial hand off. (Yes , I know , we don't get any money)

For the folk that cannot remember why Velicka and the four other Lithuanians were "booted" and then brought back................The five players had new contracts to sign but refused en mass due to the Draconian clauses inserted by Vlad. As usual - compromise NOT being Vlad's middle name he effectively "sacked" them but after the players climbed down by about 90% a compromised deal/contract was tabled that was effectively "suitable" to all.The other players were Kancelskis,Kurskis,Pillebatis & another (I cannot remember which one)
35

game over,

07/01/2008 13:20:34
#37 you seem to be getting worried taras .tick tock the bomb is going to bang 7 days and counting 14/07/08 rip 1874-2008
36

Old Reekies Big Team,

07/01/2008 13:21:57
Well done Anton some commonsense posting for a change!!
37

East at Easter,

Edinurgh 07/01/2008 13:39:11
£2m may pay off a days interest on THAT Baltic overdraft tee hee hee
38

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 13:46:08
Anton. I agree with your post #40, However as you said the loan can be cancelled but If Kaunas were to cancel The remaining 6months of the loan Hearts would be entitled to that 6months compensation.

Just another spin on your theory
39

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 13:49:45
Anyway, why is the Hearts threads always being invaded ny these sewage rats from fester road. I'd have thought their gubbing from the might st mirren at the weekend and the fact their new manager to be is a complete loser that nearly crippled preston north end would be more than enough to worry about rather than trying to console their own worries and inadequcies by posting of hearts stories.
40

GrahamL,

07/01/2008 13:51:44
#45 Depends on the terms of the loan. Ultimately he's Vlads player and Vlad is shrewd enough to make sure any transfer fee will go to which ever part of his empire he wants it to. It's all speculation, fact is if Vlad wants to spend money on Hearts he can, if he doesn't then he won't. Which club the transfer fee goes to doesn't actually matter. Even if it goes to Kaunas, Vlad has enough money of his own that he could use it to buy Hearts a few players.
It's two bald men fighting over a comb, when the reality is it's Vlads comb, and he has 100,000 other combs at home that he's choosing not to give use.
41

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 14:02:13
Velicka is perhaps not the most hard working player but he is clearly our best chance of a goal. Why Shaggy continues to place his trust and confidence in Calum Elliott is simply beyond comprehension as far as I'm concerned. A striker that cant score goals would not appear to be a valuable commodity and an automatic choice as far as I am concerned. Saturday was his 2nd red card of the season. The minute he was booked you just knew the second yellow card was imminent. He could and probably should have been sent off at Falkirk last week for his lunge at Jack Ross and his tackle at Fester Rd on Murphy could have been a red also.

I don't wish to character assassinate Elliott but why does he continue to look so deflated by every decision that goes against him, waving his arms about in frustration. Yellow boots are best left to those with ability rather than drawing any further unwanted focus upon yourself. Elliott will end up in the lower reaches of SFL Div 1.
42

DLD,

gorgie 07/01/2008 14:04:48
i would let him go as he's just a lazy, useless, diving b. He's an arrogant pr*ck and no doubt one of the players who does whatever the hell he wants.
We need a decent striker badly cos the lumps we've got are not good enough.
43

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 14:05:40
11th Just as well its the year gretna are in spl...
or would be back to the first division for the fermers.......ha-ha-ha
44

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 14:07:04
#46

shut up, tw at!!! should we (the sewer rats) erse!! not have any other interest other than our own club. I for one like to keep up to date with all the going on in scottish football, you however probably don't get outside the diggers (even on match days)
45

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 14:19:16
#51
Im old enough to drink in diggers unlike most of the idiot hibs fans of which there are a few that decide it better to continually post on hearts threads spouting there drivel and utter nonscence. You dont like what i hace to say on that matter then toddle off to the hibs forums where im sure you can have a well balanced debate with your fellow sewer rats :-)
46

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 14:21:06
#51 calling a plastic paddy like your bigoted self "sewer rats" is an unjustifiable compliment you or your ilk don`t deserve, now do real fans a favour and chuck your computer in a skip along with yourself.
47

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 14:23:14
typical!!!

I have watched with curiousity what has been happening at tynecastle, and i for one don't want hearts to go to the wall. that is until moronic hearts "fans" like yourself start the insults, i have to say my view is changing rapidly, lets see if your still as mouth after the derby
48

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 14:25:10
#53

in what way bigoted....and plastic paddy??? explain?
49

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 14:25:39
#50 why does this moron have to complete every imbecillic posting he makes end in ha ha, clearly this "person" has the mental outlook of a retarded dungbeetle and should be treated as such.
50

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 14:25:54
''GORGAY'S FINEST'' Ha-ha-ha dat'z you telt.....
51

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 14:27:53
talk of souness, levein, jeffers, keegan........
ha-ha-ha..........
I think you'll end up wif a chip shop owner from kaunas..........
52

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 14:30:41
mixu, one of the sewer rats i was referring to. IN what way would i have been "Telt"

I couldnt give a monkeys what other fans of other clubs want to happen to hearts or not. My only conern is that of my own team something you sewer rats have yet to comprehend since you never seem to talk about your own team and only want to speak about Hearts.

Thus proving the point were Edinburgh's big team as everyone wants to talk about us whether it be good or bad :-)

Mixu better hurry school bell will be going soon and the special bus doesnt wait long to take you home.
53

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 14:31:12
~55 dublin my @rse, lochend more like, if you were really irish and hailed from dublin, you wouldn`t be trying to link it with a SCOTTISH football team, i am irish born and bred(wexford) but i don`t even think about trying to link it with a "scottish" football club, sectarian bigotry like this gets right on my threepenny bits.
54

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 14:32:39
#54

Are we supposed to be terrified at playing the flairmeisters at Tynie in a fortnight???

We have been rank rotten this season but what is your excuse? JC collected C. £9,000k in transfer fees in 14 months. Where has it gone??? Beyond Fletcher and Murphy (who will clearly move on this month) there would appear to be nothing but plodders at Easter Rd. Inability to secure the services of Stevie Hammell who is playing in the 3rd rung of English football as a replacement for the departing Murphy shows where your club is heading.

Uncle Tom trying to engineer an exit by any chance.......
55

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 14:34:35
#57 eye right enough einstein thats me "telt" as you so eloquently put it, now away back to your cave in outer hibernia and fill in your "broo" forms
56

Black Five,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 14:34:45
If Velicka has any sense he`ll go.Romanov will unload him for a quick buck...but hey don`t worry we`ve got Frail`s young hope the flawed Elliot.Always good for a punch up when you need it,favourite colours are yellow and red and can miss the eaiest of chances when it`s simpler to score.That`s Tynie 2008.
57

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

07/01/2008 14:35:05
2 Million, if true well worth taking, include Elliot as part of the deal everyone a winner
58

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 14:39:05
Mixu 6-2 - Have you got learning difficulties???

The amout of keich you are posting is beginning to frighten me. Forget about Hearts and concemtrate on your own team. Your mercenary ex manager John Collins engineered his exit, just as he did as a player. How he had the front to demand loyalty from some of his players (Kevin Thomson & Scott Brown)when he was possibly the biggest mercenary to emanate from Scottish football in the last 25 years is staggering.

We are all aware Hearts have issues. So too do Hibs. Lets be very clear about that.
59

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 14:40:58
#60

what sectarian bigotry??? you are an absolute erse, born and bred edinburgh, still live in edinburgh but work in dublin.....about what i would expect from a cultchie (if indeed you are from wexford which i doubt).....and for the records hibs are linked with Ireland.....erin go bragh (first badge) - irish, hibernia (name) - irish, hibernian football club irish decent but most defineatley scottish, no religious bigotry here, historical and factual, like most hibees i only deal in facts, not hearsay!!!!
60

Hobo Harry,

07/01/2008 14:43:45
I see Aberdeen have called a press conference for tomorrow with speculation that Calderwood may be about to quit. Maybe heading for the Jambos? Now that's a level of ambition Hibs should be aiming for.........

Arf arf arf
61

Hobo Harry,

07/01/2008 14:44:51
Maybe he is coming to us mind you.......

Ochone ochone ochone
62

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 15:11:58
#66 born in bred in wexford(village of newross) to be precise(doubt if you`ve ever heard of it although it`s also the place where the ancestors of john f kennedy came from,i still hold an irish passport and i doubt if you do, staunch irish republican and roman catholic ubringing, moved to scotland when i was 14 and lived in albion road(next to your "place")but wait for it served proudly in the BRITISH navy for 34 years and would do it again,i also support the scottish national football team and wear an irish kilt along with my scottish top , not an irish wannabe like you but the genuine article, if they took all the bulls**t out of you they could bury you in a matchbox, now report me as unsuitable because i`m beginning to think that is about your limit.
63

leith keely,

sunny leith 07/01/2008 15:15:07
#66 before you can compose an other insulting reply i`m off to work, i`v got more important things to do than trade insults with evening news`s resident half wit. byeee!
64

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 15:16:30
#70: If you are an adult, you should act like one , starting with you're nick, pretty childish don't you think,
65

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 15:22:44
where am i an irish wannabe ..... i work in dublin moron......Very proud to be Scottish, am not confused dont have to wear a kilt, and an irish top as i am SCOTTISH, if you worked inn Leith would that make you a hibby....you are really not all there are you, why the need to tell that you are roman catholic and a stauch republican i will never know.....no i have never heard of new ross in wexford as i am not Irish, still i'm sure you are well infformed with everythning geographically in Scotland having been in the British navy for 34 years.....were you lost at sea for 33 of them?
66

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 15:29:20
#66
Dublin Hibs, since you like your facts so much and seemingly only dealin "facts" let me add a little more to your history which i have mentioned in the past which hibs fans like to forget about (Those that actually know this)

it was your history and heritage that so nearly had you thrown out of the scottish league in 1928. If it had not been for heart of Midlothian lobbying the scottish f.a. on your behalf and playing several "Illegal" matches against Hibs you would not be in exsistance today.

Add that to your list of facts
67

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 15:53:45
" Facts " I'd say the only irrelevant facts are hearts are eleventh in scottish premier league and falling fast...............
one point out a possible 21...........
in my opinion not champions league form........
yes vladimir you have turned hearts around.....
from bad to worst.............
68

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 15:54:47
and the fact that it was celtic that petitioned to have us thrown out, you are correct hearts continued to play us and also at that time rangers played a fundraising game against hibs to raise cash for st mary primary school....correct gf. no doubts about that.....just think leith keely is a bit confused about bigotry seeing as he was the only one to mention it
69

ithearts,

07/01/2008 15:54:56
#58 Think you should worry about what manager your getting , instead of laughing at who we might get.
70

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 15:55:53
not a "paddy"! waspy, however racist your comment might be, i am still Scottish
71

victor ian,

07/01/2008 16:00:43
i would like to congratulate the scotsman for inadvertently providing a vital public service.

it's called escapism for desperate & depressed hobos.

instead of having to face up to the meagre looking future of their own team, they can quite happily hide away from all their troubles and woes on the hearts threads, with their half-baked masochistic dreams about the impending demise of hearts.

how many defeats for the hobos do jambos think it will take before these desperados concentrate on their own team?

72

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:02:21
#74

Prior to 1928 when Hibs went out of business for a while the Edinburgh Establishment were happy to see them go to the wall. If it were not for Michael Whelehan and his kind, Hibernians would not be here today. The Edinburgh Establishment at that time included a so called Scottish Institution...Heart of Midlothian.
73

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 16:02:26
i was waiting for you victor.....how i have missed you and your strange ways
74

Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 16:05:18
#81

and were it not for tom farmer the same could be said, what is the point you are making? or is this just the history of hibs for begginers?
75

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 07/01/2008 16:09:34
Just when this was getting interesting up pops PC Mixu to F... things up. Does anyone have his home address?
76

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:12:36
#84

My point is that during the early years of formation the Hibernian Football club had to endure the forces of the Edinburgh establishment including Heart of Midlothian in trying to discourage their formation and entry into the Scottish leagues.

How times have changed when we not allow teams to be owned by multi-national companies and overseas owners.
77

Rambo_the_Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 07/01/2008 16:13:52
# 84 Dublin Hibs

.and if it wasn't for the fact that Duff and Gray (are the names correct?) were caught in time (1990s Mixu) there would be no Hibs at all
78

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:16:44
#86

I was at many rallies during the Hands off Hibs times and also at Easter Road where just over 10,000 Hibs fans were in attendance. The club opened the Dunbar end for the Hearts support and I counted 17 there.

Thanks to the 17 and several hundred in the Hibs end.

It was Hibs fans who saved their club, nobody else. Hibs fans
79

victor ian,

07/01/2008 16:16:49
calum elliot, there's a name to conjure with.

GET THIS USELESS LIABILITY OUT OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB!!!!!

NOW
NOW
NOW
NOW
NOW

OR SOONER

80

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:21:33
Maybe all's not well within Ukio. Quote:

"Bank of Lithuania issued the authorization to AB Ukio bankas to include the subordinated loan of LTL 93 million (US 27 million), received in London on 7 December this year, into the Banks Tier 2 capital. The loan was granted by redeeming the fixed-floating rate subordinated notes issued by Ukio bankas. The maturity of the subordinated loan is 10 years. The subordinated loan included into the Banks Tier 2 capital will increase Ukio bankas eligible capital. The loan was taken according to the managements decision that will allow the Bank to continue successful development and strengthen the capital base. The additional capital will help to successfully increase the Banks assets and continue Ukio bankas development throughout Lithuania next year too."
81

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 16:25:15
IN Ref to your post #84 Dublin Hibs, a slight correction if it had not been for Wallace Mercer exposing the corrupt hibs board that were fleecing your club and fans and stealing from it, then you would not be here today. it was mercers failed buyout and exposure of the hibs board that led farmer to intervene.
82

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/01/2008 16:25:44
#90. Rubbish, Mercer decided not to proceed. The major shareholders at hibs were ready to sell. The hands off hibs campaign was pretty poor, the death threats that Mercer and his family received were probably more effective!
83

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/01/2008 16:27:09
#92. All banks borrow money every day you idiot.
84

Prof,

07/01/2008 16:27:18
Just for the record, cash deposits at Vlad's bank in 2007 were up by over 20% to £575 million.
85

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 16:32:27
- mercer saving hibs utter bull -
you fans of the crazy squad would like to think that.
I read today hearts now owe £40.000.000.
lets look at stats.
£40 m in red.
no players.
stadiums a bus shelter.
and second bottom of league.
86

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:33:17
Correction for #94

Mercer could not get Rowland to sell and was advised to leave well alone when his house was marked and he received death threats.

He went back into his shell at Tynie to lick his wounds and Sir Tom Farmer was the white knight who came in with a measely £250k and his backing to save Hibs after being moved by the ferocity of the Hibs fans fight to save their club.

What are the Hearts fans doing to save their club?
87

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 16:34:34
#92
Obviosuly you have no knowledge of the finance industry or of banking.

As romanov first stated when he was buying Hearts he wanted his Ukio Bakas to obtain a higher credit rating than it already had in order to do so the bank had to operate in the West and gain exposure in the west, He has done this through Hearts having their name on the strip etc and having their name branded on TV etc. The money being borrowed is an everyday occurance for banks and is actually quite small compared to that of the bigger banks ie. Bank of Scotland, RBS, Bank of England.

#94
The Failed Mercer buyout exposed the board at hibs at the time. They may have been planning on selling but no-one knew the extent of the problems till mercer got involved.
88

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 16:37:37
Forgot 11'500 fans chanting at home games beLIEve.
and theres only one vladimir romanov.
SEE SENSE NOW OR DIE.
89

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:40:35
#99

Just copied and pasted direct from another site and didn't see the top section Maybe all not well within Ukio.

Just thought some real Hearts supporters might want to know what's happening under their UBIG umbrella
90

victor ian,

07/01/2008 16:40:37
jambos - please don't discredit any fanciful ideas the hobos get about the financial positions of hearts and ukio bankas. it will result in tears before bedtime.

it's akin to telling a 5 year old that there's no santa claus.

i would never say mercer directly saved hibs but his abortive takeover bid definitely acted as the catalyst. only in the mythical twilight zone of leith could that be denied.

91

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 16:43:07
And you're so called "White Knight" by his own admission isn't even a hibs fan he has no interest in football. So where does that leave you lot? an owner not interested no manager, no quality players, best players being sold off to the gruesometwosome in the west. and promises of a new stand....sounds very familiar doesnt it? dont be so quick to take a swipe at hearts without looking at your own problems first.
92

Prof,

07/01/2008 16:52:41
#98 mercer withdrew because of death threats. I don't see much to brag about there.
As for Hibs fans being involved in saving the club- get real. Farmer made a small investment for a big return. Thats why all your decent players were sold and why everybody else is for sale
93

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:53:33
#103

I do know that STF has no interest in Football and it doesn't leave me anywhere actually, your point is?

I also know that Hibs have been selling off their best players, your point is?

I have not taken a swipe at Hearts at all and I don't have to look at my own problems because I have none.

You are quick to point out to other posters that they support this or that.

Get with it Gorgie, we don't all have to follow follow or support Eastern european dud's or STF's mob
94

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 16:54:05
#100

What the hell is your point here???

Are you still waiting at the school gates for your uplift...

Now please take this on baord if you can..... Hibs are a club not without their own problems. Looks as though something is bewing there which may come out in the due course. Hearts have issues but please do not attempt to detract from the failings of your own club. STF looking to make an exit...??

Yogi would have been your best option but your pig ignorant CEO has put paid to that.

Now go away and talk to yer pals about the 7-0 game or some other landmark event in the great and glorious heritage of your club...

Interested to see that your fans still fly the flag of foreign countries.

95

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 16:56:04
#104

I am not bragging, just stating facts as they happened at the time. It was not nice and as most Edinburghers would say...just not cricket giles.

As for the rest of your post see #103
96

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 16:56:36
His
Majesty's
Fairy
Crew.
thought it was a cool one.
97

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 17:00:44
#106

Hearts and Hibs supporters fly flags of foreign countries in support of their players. I have seen many at Tynie and Easter Road.

Dont't get blinkered
98

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 17:02:17
#106 your obviously FRANK spencers boy.
99

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 17:02:27
#107
Your swipes at hearts are hidden in your false concerns take a look at some of your posts you pretend to show interest but have the uncanny knack of adding the odd little swipe here and there. Good try although I can see through it and others too can probably see through it.
100

Riley Hamish,

Edina 07/01/2008 17:02:37
#25 OLD REEKIES BIG TEAM
Thank god you wrote in Sir......I was beginning to despair at the tiny number of Jambo fans facing up to the realities of life........posters here seem pre-occupied only with what lithuanian should play in what position and banalities like whether Elliott is worth keeping (he's not!) rather than getting together with some kind of fans structure representing you all as fairly as possible before the plug gets pulled (as it might well) from beneath you guys sooner than you might think. despite your cries of derision. Believe me, I have no wish to see Hearts go under...or indeed continue their present decline (I've said many times noe, that a strong Hearts is good for all the "Third Force" (i.e. everybody outside the Auld Firm)since you're arguably the biggest and SHOULD be leading the challenge from the rest of us to the blue filth and green slime !!. It's quite dispiriting to see just how incestuous Jambo fans have become in the pro and anti-Romanov camps, but regardless of your personal views on the man (personally, I think he's a charlatan) you DO need to have a Plan B for when/if (although I' d bet on WHEN) it all goes pear-shaped. I do continue to say that you badly need to get off your fat4rses and get something under way,.....or do you all believe that in depending on MadVlad that you're NOT leaving your club in the hands of the philistines...even if they are Lithuanian Philistines. C'mon let's see some action to save this club you all claim to love...and if you wanna berate me for trying to stir you from turpour then feel free.....but I'll be happy if even another single fan DOES gerrof his butt and DAE SUMTHIN'.......that'll be reward enough!!!.........(but wi' any luck, we'll STILL bounce you guys oot the cup this week-end !!!)
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Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:02:40
#109

I think you know exactly the point that I am making here.
102

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:07:31
Carlos Tevez - Are you are yer wee pals bored about talking about 7-0 & 6-2 already?

There must bee more to content yourself with. Away and look out your Scottish Cup win DVD.
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Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 17:13:02
Tommy Tommy
In answer to that Hearts only assets are Tynecastle and any players currently contracted to Hearts, also their share or the Training complex.

Never enough to cover the 40million+ debts
So basically youve answered the idiotic posters who keep going on about Romanov asset stripping or dumping us. He would gain nothing, and has been stated many times by many people he is not worth 300million+ because he throws money away.
104

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 17:22:13
#111 I have not had any swipes at Hearts, I have merely gave you my perspective on several situations that have occurred over the years.

I am not in the camp who keep their heads in the sand while the Mad one rapes your club, and I am not in the Petrie camp, I merely want to see some good football on offer in Edinburgh, but hey ho that must be wrong and you must be at the barricades with the other numpties on this site to get anywhere in life.

Gorgie' Finest get real son
105

victor ian,

07/01/2008 17:23:42
there are exceptions but in general hobos will believe virtually any nonsense, if it's repeated often enough.

while hibs are sliding down the league into mediocrity, selling off their best players, failing to invest any decent money back into the squad and failing to create a wage structure in keeping with their status as scotland's 4th best supported team, the decision makers at hibs must think they've been given a get out of jail free card.

why?

'cos instead of calling their own club hierarchy to account, they STILL continue to cling on to the desperate hope that there is truth in the 'hearts are being asset stripped and will ultimately go into administration and be discarded' myth.

hobos - when hearts eventually get their act together and dispel the myth that they are in a terminal and irreversible decline........

......... where will you go to find comfort away from your own troubles?

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Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:23:56
#106

You are correct. Romanov can't really walk away from this without UKIG or Ukio Bankas taking a bath.

The model is not working and perhaps the penny has dropped with the announcement that he is looking for a British manager. If the right candidate is given the chance to operate without interference then things may move forward.

despite all the sceptic posts submitted here, i do think there is some comfort in the fact that we have one of the most respected administrators in eurpoean football in Campbell Ogilvie involved in the recruitment process. I am not suggesting that all is and will be rosey in the garden. I do believe that there could be a realisation amongst Romanov's people that a change in the way things are done is needed. Clearly 11th place in a poor SPL was not part of the grand plan.
107

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 17:29:29
#119 you are #106. lmao
108

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:34:03
post #119 was in response to #116 and not #106

Ooops!
109

GrahamL,

07/01/2008 17:34:42
#118 "hobos - when hearts eventually get their act together and dispel the myth that they are in a terminal and irreversible decline ... where will you go to find comfort away from your own troubles?"
I'd have gone for an "if" there myself, but still.
There could be a horrible clunking realisation at Easter Road if we do pull ourselves together. Maybe then someone will start to wonder why they've fallen from being top of the league to 8th in the space of 3 months...
But until then they can console themselves that even if their team is in freefall they're not as bad as Hearts. One question keeps coming to mind though - if it was, say, Kilmarnock in the position Hearts are now would the Hibs fans be getting a bit worried then?
110

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 17:44:28
#118 Hi V.I. and #122 Graham.
Bth of you are correct in things you say, These hobos (Not all i might add have spent 2+years now telling us were delluded, have our head burried in the sand etc and have missed what is actually going on at there bery own club. If and When then are turned around at Tynecastle hibs willstill be in the same posotion they are now probably worse. Will these morons then take their own heads out of the sand and wake up to the idea there club and its owners are useless and have taken them all for mugs
111

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/01/2008 17:46:42
#117. What a moron! How can Romanov be raping Hearts? If you believe that Romanov is taking money from Hearts you should produce your evidence - put up or shut up!
112

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/01/2008 17:50:53
#112. I've told you before, you know nothing about Hearts or our fans, you talk garbage and have no insight whatsover.

Get back to worrying about your bunch of also rans.
113

Riley Hamish,

Edina 07/01/2008 17:51:16
#118 VICTOR IAN
Well done sir....you've just won the vote for THE most boring poster of this or any other year.
I know for sure that you were attacking people using the same puerile language (as far back as 25/7/07 in fact) many months ago.........yerra pain and an embarrassment..............and I so, SO look forward te RUBBISHING you further when yer anger mak's ye write back !!!!...........BUFFOON !!
114

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:54:22
#125

Debt probably has risen due to debt service costs

£28,000k @ say B+2% = £2,100k pa debt servicing costs.

Then add the costs associated with an over paid under squad of players bursting at the seams. Not difficult to see how the debt has spiralled.
115

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 17:56:05
#124

The debt was at 21.4 Million when he handed over to Vlad. The debt last year was reported at 28.4 million, and the Agm railroaded by Vlad pushed up the borrowing to £40million. I don't know how close to that figure you are but if it's £34 million in debt, you still think Vlad is doing well.

Take off the Vlad is great glasses and you might see the wood for the trees.
116

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:59:08
I am not an apologist for VR.

Just remember the debt was < £2,000k when Robinson & deans acquired the club in 1994.
117

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 17:59:11
I am not an apologist for VR.

Just remember the debt was < £2,000k when Robinson & deans acquired the club in 1994.
118

victor ian,

07/01/2008 18:02:44
#127 sir brian hine, ho ho ho!! well done for "rubbishing" me. you called me boring and a buffoon.

how can i compete with genius counter arguments like that?

i am beaten.

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Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 18:08:40
Debt has accrued due to many factors, the biggest being his request to increase borrowing from the bank to allow that sum to reach approx 40million, this will increase to around 50 million when the stadium expansion and redevelopment of mcleod street starts.Any transfer monay brought in has not been put towards the debt.

Having said all that Romanov has only borrowed from himself The det is his the borrowing is from his own bank. No interest is being charged on that debt. Had the 22million still been with hbos it would have crippled us, lets not forget that.
120

GrahamL,

07/01/2008 18:12:24
#133 "No interest is being charged on that debt"
I doubt that very much, while Vlad is the major shareholder in Ukio Bankas it's far from "his bank". He personally has bout a third of the shares, and if you tot up other shareholders such as UBIG & Vlads Mum he probably just has >50% of them.
Ukio Bankas is a proper real business, with other shareholders, so it'll be making a profit out of the Hearts debt.
121

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 07/01/2008 18:16:56
#133

You've opened up a whole bunch of questions with your quote, but I have to go out to work now so I will leave you with some of your friends to answere please.

Why would he want the debt to accrue from £28m to £40m with nothing to show for it?

Why will it increase to around £50m when the stadium expansion starts? He told us that the new stand/hotel/shops/bars would cost £51, and with that on top of the £40m would be around £90m?

Does he own all the shares in UKIO? Thought he only had 33%

I thought the interest was being charged at a reduced rate and not NOTHING AT ALL?

Cheeri
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victor ian,

07/01/2008 18:18:53
interest is being charged on the debt. ukio have no other choice but to charge interest bacause they have a duty to their account holders and shareholders.

who would invest money in a bank which didn't charge interest on some of their loans?

that's not the point though, the point about hearts debt is that a lot of people seem to have gotten it into their heads that vlad is bleeding the club dry and is hiding the cash through false accounting.

while fully detailed accounts are not likely to be published, there is no possibility whatsoever that illegality has occurred in the finances.

if you think there has been false accounting, make a police complaint.

123

victor ian,

07/01/2008 18:26:31
#135, show us a quote from vlad or any of his associates about the full £51M cost of the stand development being added to hearts debt.

i'll tell you right now, a quote like that doesn't exist.

the truth is this ubig will take out a loan to finance the whole thing or part finance it, with the rest coming from outside partners. it doesn't matter if the loan is in ubig's name or hearts name.

who on earth would lend someone £51M if there was a chance they could take all the profits from the development, while leaving a subsidiary company to default on the loan?

124

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 18:28:28
#112 "Dae sumthin"? Didn't Hearts fans just successfully (if we are to believe the club which is debatable) campaign for a manager? I call that daein' sumthin. Didn't Hearts also successfully oust Chris Robinson? Romanov owns all of Hearts - no-one can throw him out. The only way Hearts fans will get rid of Romanov is if he walks of his own accord (doubtful as he'd lose a lot of money right now, especially considering the looming housing crash, making Tynecastle's land value unlikely to increase in the near future) or if a Tom Farmer-esque "saviour" comes along that Hearts fans can back - and you can be sure they would if he looked the real deal.

#133 Hearts have significantly reduced their wage bill, which was the main source of the debt and general unsustainability of the club's finances. Pretty much ALL of the top earners have gone - Gordon, Pressley, Brellier, Fyssas, bednar, Jankauskis, Skacel, Hartley included (at least saving 5m a year in wages) and they have not been replaced with other high earners - Kingston and possible Nade aside.

Other reasons why the 40m total is nonsense include more than 11m in transfers from Gordon, Hartley, Skacel and Webster (maybe more to come from him). Not to mention we haven;t been paying manager wages - Burley and Rix were on huge money apparently. Another season of full houses, plus associated merchandise and catering, also boosted figures, as did a new sponsorship deal, with a new shirt sponsor possibly to come. Increased TV revenue will also be included. Whether the money goes to hearts or Romanov really doesn't affect things as he owns the whole shop. If he's financially healthy, we have less reason to worry.

If we believe The Scotsman, Goncalves, Tall and Velicka could bring in anything from 3m to 6m, my guess nearer 2m. In Kingston, however, we have an asset easily worth up to 4m in today's market. Bedner is playing amazingly well at West Brom and could attract a decent bid. All apart from Velicka, I believe, a
125

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 18:30:16
Got cut off...

All apart from Velicka, I believe, are contracted to Hearts.

I'm not saying all this is good, just saying there is a bigger picture. I'd rather se someone else take over, but when multimillionaires like Farmer and Milne won't even invest in their hometown teams, what hope is there of that?
126

GrahamL,

07/01/2008 18:34:38
#136 "there is no possibility whatsoever that illegality has occurred in the finances"
Agreed, as I said before Ukio Bankas and UBIG are both proper actual companies. While the regulations in Lithuania are not as strong as the UK, there are still rules. Accounts have to be audited, Ukio Bankas have also been rated by both Moody's and S&P, so they would uncover anything illegal.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is absurd, while I still don;t know what Vlad is playing at, he isn't doing anything illegal.
127

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 18:35:01
I was wrong interest is being charged at a lower rate, however there was a "Forgiveness of debt charges" which was announced to the stock exchange back in nov 2005. This amount was approx 5million where interest would not be charged.

#135
Vlad owns more than 50% of the bank. As im sick of pointing out if you had watched the docu on him you would know how he ammassed his wealth and became the banks major shareholder.

While Lithuania was still part of the soviet block it was illegal under communist laws to own any more than 1 share in a company. Workers in some coal mine or stell works plant i cant remember which were each given a share as a bonus, vlad had the insight to go around and buy each and every share given to the workers. When Lithuania became independant and with the collapse of Communism happened he then used those shares he had bought to his advantage, it gave him control of the factory but part of that ownership was also a controlling interest in UKIO Bankas.
128

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 18:35:59
#140 Romanov is Hearts, unfortunately. With a more than 80%-stake, he owns everything... Tynecastle... everything.
129

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 18:37:19
#141
Correct and before he was ALLOWED to purchase Hearts he was vetted by the scottish Exec and HM Customs and Revenues, nothin untoward was found.
130

victor ian,

07/01/2008 18:38:17
#140, so when hearts debts increase year by year, presumably you realise that is because their annual expenditure has exceeded their annual turnover?

if you do know that, who do you think makes up the shortfall between expenditure and turnover?

magic fairies at the bottom of vlad's garden?
benevolent aliens from outer space?

or do you think people are accepting IOU's from hearts in exchange for goods and services?

your kind of pseudo-informed drivel is laughable.

131

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 18:40:53
#144 Not only that, but how did Romanov first hear about Hearts? From the SFA's own John McBeth, who told his counterpart at the Lithuanian FA, after hearing Romanov wanted to buy into a club in Scotland, to focus on clubs in trouble - Hearts, Dunfermline and Dundee Utd. Ironic, considering Romanov's later battles with the SFA.
132

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 18:43:31
#140

I going to ask you a serious question, and everyone else who seems to think Vlads finances are dodgy can answer as well, and be honest.

Had Vlad been an American or English multi millionaire who had gained his wealth in the same way, would you still say he was dodgy or had gained his wealth illegally?
133

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 18:46:52
I am staggered by some of this cr@p.

UKIG are the single largest creditor of the HMFC trading business. Can UKIG and ultimately Romanov allow Hearts to go out of business..... No clearly not. Not unless they are prepared to take a bath for c. £40m.

Was there ever allegations of financial wrong doing when Robinson sought borrowing powers to be increased to £20m previously??? The only way the Robinson regime was able to meet it's debt servicing obligations was through the provision of increased borrowing facilities
134

Alek Ahauf,

07/01/2008 18:48:52
#66
WHAT NUMBER BUS DO YOU GET TO WORK???
135

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 18:57:55
#150 I don;t know if this is a debate between two anonymous people or if anyone can join in, but if you don't know what "turnover" is you really shouldn't be commenting on financial topics.

Second, your question is entirely irrelevant and shows you've not been reading the other posts. Romanov owns Hearts and a significant amount of Ukio therefore, in some sense, he is borrowing essentially from himself. As someone else said, he is paying the wages of Hearts players, transfer fees, etc, through debt or whatever, incurred through an institution in which he holds a major interest. In addition he hasn't actually borrowed that money, he's just got permission to extend to that amount, which is very different from your somewhat simplistic analogy.
136

victor ian,

07/01/2008 18:58:37
#150, it's a fancy wee scenario you've created there, but are you going to validate it with some actual hard facts?

why are you asking me to "explain my terminology"? i would have though these terms are pretty obvious to a financial expert like yourself.

annual turnover.... eh, total income for the year.
annual expenditure.... eh, total outgoings for the year.
shortfall between expenditure and turnover.... eh, annual losses.

provide facts about your theories please, or what credibility do you have?

137

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 19:06:00
#152 I know you really, really want to be right on this, but you're wrong - really, really wrong and you're just not listening - you say "he has run up debt in Hearts name" - no he hasn't. Chris Robinson ran up 20m in debt in Hearts name. Romanov has increased that debt (still not matching Robinson's feat yet though) in his name effectively. He owns the entire club - Robinson didn't. He also owns much of the bank to which the debt is now owed. There is also a case for playing devils advocate and saying that Romanov actually achieved more than Robinson - SC and 2nd place - while incurring less debt.
138

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 19:07:59
Tommy Tommy
Can you answer me this then, the big story over the weekend and on talk radio tonight is Rangers proposed expansion/redevelopment of ibrox

The cost of this is expected to be approx 700million. More than David murray/rangers are worth combined. Where will they get the money to do this?

As you have already been told and proved with some of your irrelevant posts leave the finance debating to those that actually understand finance. Your posts are all based solely on speculation and personal opinion none of it factual
139

victor ian,

07/01/2008 19:13:20
tommytommy, i wouldn't normally want to indulge in any 'ganging up' on you but seeing as you were so unreasonable about things, answer me this would you?

is it just me that's wrong here, or is everyone else who is telling you you're talking rubbish wrong as well?

or are we all just expected to believe anything you say?

140

Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 19:18:05
I am not sure what Romanov is trying to achieve here. However taking Hearts to the wall and taking UKIG down at the same time I would suggest is not part of the plan.

All this "BELIEVE" and "Tick Tock" from the other side of the city is merely a front. If things do improve at Hearts, and god knows they cant get much worse, what shining ray of light is imminent on the East side of Edinburgh....?? Sale of more players? Inability to compete with salaries paid by Blue Square Premier League sides? Inability for pig headed CEO to recruit the right man for the job.......
141

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 19:25:36
Tommy Tommy has brought being ganged up on upon himself. Maybe putting it in simplistic terms will help him understand that Romanov is Hearts, worrying as that is:

The fact is, if Romanov wanted to, he could rename Hearts "Pork Scratchings FC" and ask the players wear green curly wigs and giant yellow clown shoes and run around the pitch whistling the theme to Dads Army. (And I for one would pay good money to see that.) All Hearts fans can hope is that there is some sort of coherent plan, ideally not involving clown shoes, simmering away in that heid of his. Either that, or someone with a spare 30m or so comes along.
142

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 19:28:15
Just heard on football phone in that david murphy could be leaving hibs in the next 24-48 hrs, and theres also a possibility their el capitano mr jones could be following him.

Crisis at fester road!!!! what crisis????

And they say our heads are burried in the sand and were delluded. Once we pull things around it will be the hobos and gretna battling relegation. Cause lets face it the hobos wont pull things around.
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victor ian,

07/01/2008 19:28:16
#157 SB, i suppose that's what we are all dying to know. what is the big plan here.

my immediate guess (and that's what it is... a guess. i'm not into representing my theories as hard facts) is that he sees big profits from all the additions to the new stand development. some areas may be retained by ubig if they show sustainable profitability, other areas may be marked for immediate selling off to outside investors. part of the complex may well be part funded by investors in the first place.

on the team side of things, whatever the plan is or was, it's plain for all to see that it's either failed miserably or has not yet reached it's outcome.

vlad now makes noises about changing direction with regard to the team management structure. we all say 'aye right, i'll believe it when i see it'. many outsiders say it wont happen.

that doesn't mean it wont happen. even raging alcoholics and other victims of addictions sometimes have a seminal moment of clarity and turn themselves around.

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Spencer's Boy,

07/01/2008 19:38:28
TommyTommy - I fear that you are just not getting to grips with this
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 19:44:00
#161 And he keeps on coming. Once again, your question should not be "What do Hearts have?" but "What does Romanov have?" Answer - not enough to make a profit by selling right now.

As for Wrexham. I've been concerned by the way Romanov has handled the club and have researched other clubs who have had similar plights. First off, there is no club I can find that has faced the sheer weirdness of Romanov's antics. So right form the off, Hearts fans are working in the dark. Second, while Wrexham's charman decided to sell the ground, Romanov saved the ground (so far). It was Robinson who sold the ground and what did Hearts fans do in response - yep, they protested and got him out. When and if Romanov announces he is selling, there will be similar protests. Right now protests have focused on the playing side, and have actually worked - more Scottish players now in team, some big earners shipped out, a manager (allegedly) on his way.

In short, you are wrong - again. Hearts fans did exactly what Wrexham fans did and protested the sale of their ground. They will do so again - although it is now a different set of circumstances.
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 19:47:47
PS. Of course Romanov has never said he will sell the ground, so we can't protest something that hasn't happened just because Hibs fans believe it to be true. Wrexham's "white knight" seems to have worked out OK for them. Lucky them. Hearts not so much but we'll see. But to accuse Hearts fans over this whole thing is ridiculous.
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victor ian,

07/01/2008 19:51:40
tommytommy, you give an analogy about re-mortgaging a house and taking on debt. that might have some relevance if hearts in some way re-mortgaged tynecastle to remove assets, based on a loan from an outside creditor.

but that's patently not the case with hearts.

hearts major creditor and ownership are basically all one in the same. i know they are not the same company but they are all controlled by the same person. it's not even clear who holds hearts marker anyway, romanov or ukio.

a theory like yours may seem to have a bit of substance at first sight but i'm sorry, you're wrong.

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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:00:48
Tommy Tommy, #164 I'l tell you where you're going wrong - everywhere. Everything from saying Hearts fans don't protest when it was their protests that led to Romanov arriving, from saying Romanov is not accountable for the debt.

In addition you accuse Romanov of asset-stripping. This is the most realistic accusation that can be levelled at him. But if you put him in court and tried him for asset-stripping on today's available evidence you wouldn't have a hope of a conviction. He would point to the following evidence: Respectfully m'lud...

A. He halted the sale of the ground
B. He secured the best players on long-term contracts
C. He preferred a player (Webster) leave for nothing, rather than sell him to a rival
D. He has picked up some new assets - Kingston is more valuable than Hartley. A goalie like Gordon is obviously harder to beat.
E. He put 2m of his own money in on arriving at Hearts

Ok he's a bit of an eejit but credit where credit's due and all that.
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victor ian,

07/01/2008 20:00:52
tommytommy, you were saying earlier that hearts annual figures had nothing to do with the increasing debt. sorry but that's just crazy talk. an increase in debt is simply down to trading losses over the past couple of years.

where did this £40M figure come from anyway?, it's a complete guess by someone as far as i know.

now you're saying that romanov has hearts asets in his bank and is spending it all on himself.

sorry tommytommy, i'm going to require some evidence of that before i even begin to take you seriously!!!!
150

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 20:02:21
Tommy-Tommy you are spot on mate, but take notice you still cannot shut a certain V-I up.
151

bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:04:24
#167 Oh my god! Tears hair out in frustration!

HE WILL LOSE MONEY IF HE SELLS HEARTS TOMORROW!!! The money hasn't gone anywhere - it lies with Romanov and the bank, i.e with Hearts, as they own us.

I'm off, it's like having a discussion with a five-year old. Is that why you named yourself twice, Tommy Tommy, so you can remember it?

(And I've never been to Egypt.)
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victor ian,

07/01/2008 20:05:36
#170 whatever your name is today,

this must all seem like a foreign language to you so it's maybe a debate for you to sit out.
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:20:33
#170 What was the club?
154

Carlos Tevez.,

07/01/2008 20:21:37
Yes of course i love bonhof at easter rd,
ambition is now being shown at leith,
oh sh@t im on a hearts thread!
155

victor ian,

07/01/2008 20:24:15
#173, ha ha haaaaaa!! if you actually think that plonker has the faintest idea what is being discussed here then you don't know much about this site either. if you're having to reply on that for an ally then things are desperate.

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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:28:30
#170 And one more time - the bank and the owner are almost the same thing in this case. But the bank isn't going to up the debt one day then turn round and ask for it to be paid the next. If they do demand it, Romanov is reposnsible. Therefore he will have to find someone willing to pay - your figure - 40m, which he won't be able to. Thus he will have to sell the assets for what he can get - which are not worth that much. Thus he will lose money. Thus it ain't going to happen anytime soon. If there's a global recession, who knows what could happen, but then every business will be affected not just Hearts.

Plus, Romanov had his empire before buying the club. For the second time - He IS the white knight - until such a time as we need another one. Seriously, what is the club you mentioned - Hibs? Because if any accusation of asset-stripping can be laid at the door of a club right now it's Hibs. 11m in and 4 m out on a training ground.
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:34:14
#178 And how does that differ from Hearts fans acting to save their club by getting rid of Robinson? It's not our fault the white knight turned out to be a little eccentric.

Seriously, what's the club. It is entirely relevant because you're asking Hearts fans to learn from their actions. It's called a case study.
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 20:50:41
#180 I suspect you're actually Tommy Tommy - the writing patterns are remarkably similar and timing kind of coincidental. If not, I should point out to you as a fellow Jambo that Romanov can sell all of Hearts assets, including Tynecastle, and he won't make a profit. In fact, he'd lose money. So whatever he's doing right now, it's not asset-stripping.
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Dublin Hibs,

07/01/2008 20:52:34
#125

Debt probably has risen due to debt service costs

£28,000k @ say B+2% = £2,100k pa debt servicing costs.

Then add the costs associated with an over paid under squad of players bursting at the seams. Not difficult to see how the debt has spiralled.


this post from a jambo....says it all...at least someone knows that your club is approaching financial oblivion......that coupled with the fact that your are second bottom of a pish poor league spels trouble for me
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bonspeil,

07/01/2008 21:00:43
#184 Read from about #130 down for a more serious discussion. The costs have been significantly cut since the last results. Financial oblivion for Hearts means financial oblivion, or at least a heavy loss, for Romanov, an Ukio. Hibees like to quote a figure of 40m which is rubbish, but taking your own figure, Romanov could sell everything to do with Hearts tomorrow - and he would make a loss. Which is why, as a man interested in making money, he won't. If he does, then his reign at Hearts will go down as one of the most baffling club ownership stories ever.
161

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 21:10:17
#184
The sewer rat returns.

As has been said when will the rats at fester road wake up to their own oblivion. We know our problems and discuss them openly we dont hide behind them by continually posting on other teams boards with drivel and utter nonscence.

Murphy off in 24-48 hrs
Jones next
A possible new manager who you couldnt even class as 3rd rate.
No money being spent on players to replace the ones that have gone or leaving.
Big profits disapearing into your CEO and owners pockets.
Still no announcement on your own stand.

Looks like STF will be walking sooner rather than later and he is plundering what he can from your club.
I would be very conerned if i was you, and certainly wouldnt be wasting my time shouting my vile mouth off on other teams boards i would be discussing my own teams problems on my own teams forums like Iam doing here.

just a thought for you to ponder as your team sinks ever closer to its own oblivion
162

Hibernianinc,

07/01/2008 21:46:17
#187 -

Lets have a look shall we...

Murphy off in 24-48 hrs - perhaps. c£2m for a boy who cost us nothing and money the club will see (but yes, will not spend on players)
Jones next - perhaps again. Same as above
A possible new manager who you couldnt even class as 3rd rate. - bit rich considering your recent track record on "managers". Let's assume it's Simpson (call him Homer, you know you want to). Is he really a 3rd class coach, or someone who sees Hibs as the route back to a big Championship team, like Mowbray?
No money being spent on players to replace the ones that have gone or leaving. - Agreed, but it the chat about our U19's is half right we've another crop of Brown's, O'Conner's, Riordan's, etc coming.
Big profits disapearing into your CEO and owners pockets. - That'll be into the pockets of HBOS (£17m debt reduced to £2.8m in 5 years) and the owners and construction company at East Mains (£5 bought outright).
Still no announcement on your own stand. - By that you mean date upon which work would start? Like our nice West Stand, I imagine the new (3rd class) manager will need to input on this as it will mean playing in front of 3 sides either end of this season/start of next.

Looks like STF will be walking sooner rather than later - Really, and STF's told you this?

and he is plundering what he can from your club. - As above. And considering he's vouched for all the debt and lent c£6m to the club in my book he can happily make a profit when he does go.

I would be very conerned if i was you, and certainly wouldnt be wasting my time shouting my vile mouth off on other teams boards i would be discussing my own teams problems on my own teams forums like Iam doing here. - Not too concered, we just have a rubbish team right now. Which given our financial position can be easily fixed.

just a thought for you to ponder as your team sinks ever closer to its own oblivion - And finally this is where you're confusing the possible future
163

Hibernianinc,

07/01/2008 21:46:51
cont....

of Hibs, with that of herts. C'mon, we've lost some games. Whereabouts does that lead to "oblivion".

Hibs are rubbish, herts are downright funny. Nuff said.
164

Gorgie's Finest,

07/01/2008 22:01:46
#188 &189
Good come backs and nice to see not all hibs fans are like certain morons we have continually pestering these boards.

However i would like to point out that according to hibs your debt had been reduced to just over 2million some 18 months ago. Since then you have made 8.8 million in transfer fees taking the debt off that you would be in the black and should still have somewhere in the region of 6million, thats not even taking season ticket sales, pay at gate sales, merchandise revenue, tv/sponsorship monies, match day sales, corporate events, and of course league cup prize money into consideration.

And dont hit me with the New training complex argument as as ive already pointed out you should have had approx 6million without counting the rest, and also we were all informed at the time petrie announced the training complex that the money was in place for that. So where has all this surplus money gone?

As stated before into farmers pocket readying himself for a nice earner when he exits
165

Vlad Magic,

07/01/2008 22:07:52
Were Man U not instantly 300 mill in debt when the Glaziers took over as that was the ammount they had to borrow to take the club over?

Anyway business and accountancy is not my strongest point the same as the majority of people on this site.

One thing I do know. I'd rather the 9 mill from Gordon go to paying off the debt rather than invest in the team. The sooner that whatever it is mill is reduced the better.
166

Mixu 6-2,

07/01/2008 22:23:24
#191 comparing ones self to manchester united now......
the spotty money is in vlads tail......
hope its true 14th january........
ha-ha-ha........
just popped into boys in maroon talk of benji going to gunt-land dont fink so.........
the managers are queing bigtime for guntland........
well done by the way a point on sat..........
ha-ha-ha thats one from 21........
167

Vlad Magic,

07/01/2008 22:33:37
#192

Compare?? No. I used them as an example.

I could compare you with a monkey or I could say Mixu eats bannanas. DO you see!!!

Im wasting my time on you.
168

Badboy,

07/01/2008 22:42:12
Do you mean " banana's " say what one means.....
169

Taras Shevchenko,

07/01/2008 22:48:39
#194 battyboy we all know whatyou do with bananas....and you cry out oooh toooo when you do it too.
170

Vlad Magic,

07/01/2008 22:48:55
#194 OK

You are really pathetic for picking up on typos.

171

Badboy,

07/01/2008 22:49:43
my wee mucker cfs1874 no been online maybe out celebrating the point won at the weekend,
or away standing outside tynecastle with a banner of disapproval,
172

Badboy,

07/01/2008 22:51:32
post 195, you will certainly know about that eh?
173

DalryJambo,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 23:14:39
If vlad was purely asset stripping why would he bother with the following projects in terms of both time and monetary investment? (taken from hearts website),

Community Trust
Breakfast club (Providing breakfast to hundreds of youngsters throughout Edinburgh)
Magnificent Seven (Building the fan base of the future)
National Satellite junior coaching
Opening new shops
Creating new clothing brand
Hearts Travel
Hearts Rewards
Investing in Ticket Office Operation
Investing in youth players from around the world and committing £3/4m in funds to the youth set up.
Biggest every strip sponsorship
Stadium and hotel development

Over the last 3 years all these projects have been instigated and developed. Many of the projects have no short term gain. They are all investments for the future and would come with large initial expenditure. Say what you like about the plans for the stadium. They have used one of the leading stadium design architects in the UK and the amount of detailed work carried out wouldn’t have been cheap.

At the same time there has been a massive reduction in wages. Anyone who thinks the wage bill is anywhere near the squad Burley had is dreaming. One of the problems with burley was, as stated by others, the cost of his squad. Gordon, Pressley, Brellier, Fyssas, Bednar, Jankauskis, Skacel, Hartley plus others were with out doubt great players, but at a cost. Burley went, his players slowly followed and now the monthly wage bill will be at least half. I’ve heard the Lithuanian players are on the same basic contract as they where back home (excluding improved bonus’s ie appearance/win/draw/goals) until they prove their worth and are offered permanent deals. It means some of them are on £600 per month, but have the potential of a great deal more. Long and short of it is we have a squad big in numbers but low in wages (excluding a few).

The wages won’t rise until a new stand is built and income streams increase. Until then the
174

DalryJambo,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 23:15:44
chosen manager will need to work with a squad of players in a lower wage bracket with a sprinkling of Kingston type players. Hopefully the next few seasons will see the young crop of players coming through to supplement the squad. We may even get a few in this transfer window, assuming we sell one of the recently touted players.

The £40m debt figure may not have been reached. I say ‘may not’, as I just don’t know. Probably no one out side of VR’s circle of advisors knows what it is. But the income the last few seasons is up, transfers, season tickets, tv money, merchandising etc and with the reduction in wages and interest payments (UB are charging less than HBOS) the debit should have stabilised. As mentioned there have been several one off payments for the creation of the ‘special’ infrastructure projects reducing the chance of the club turning a profit.

UBIG (the investment group) will fund the £51m development, but will also own it. VR will use the income generated by the hotel etc to balance the debt created by running a football club (balancing UBIG’s books) with the knowledge in the long term there will be increased assets ie hotel, restaurants, pubs, shops etc that could be sold or rented. If this additional income is such (along with more player sales) the debt currently accrued by the football club will be cleared and then he will have a football club plus all the new assets to sell. This is not a three year plan, closer to twenty.

Long story short, the long term plan as stated above could create a massive profit and isn’t affected by the short term success of the team. There will be a point when a stadium/hotel/restaurant/pub will need to be filled and this will be when all focus is put on the team. But at the moment its one block at a time.

One thing for sure is that as long as UKIO BANKAS is on the strip and VR and UBIG ( UKIO BANKAS Investment Group – just to clear it up UBIG is the investment arm of UKIO BANKAS) have ambitions
175

DalryJambo,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 23:16:30
of being an international bank they won’t be wrapping up Hearts or putting us into receivership. His connection with hearts has helped his plans of expanding his bank in one of the leading banking capitals in Europe and has raised his banks profile.

Sorry that was so long.
176

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

07/01/2008 23:21:06
199-200-2001
Spot on and couldn't agree more, facts not fiction and extremely well put.
You'll have the angry hatkicking mob after you now with there insults and put downs. Some folk just can't see the woods for the trees bud.
177

Blowfeld,

Watching out for vladimir Romanov!!! 08/01/2008 00:12:31
Is it me or is john colquhoun been on the sauce before scotsport, Or does he have a speech impediment,
178

Taras Shevchenko,

08/01/2008 07:42:11
#203 wee jc only looked like that because he had just been crying'n'kicking like a toddler, as he was dragged screaming to have to sit on the couch opposite the two pantomime dames.
179

Taras Shevchenko,

08/01/2008 07:55:47
199 DalryJambo - good post - to be fair, you left out the

FREE MALOFEEV PROJECT

&

The Vladfluenza Research Project: involving investigating molecular virology, pathogenesis, hosting immune responses, genomics, and epidemiology regarding vladfluenza. The main goal of research is to develop vladfluenza countermeasures such as vaccines, therapies, diagnostic tools and only hiring dobbers that do the do, dinnae get lippy and gee the club a guid deal.
180

Dublin Hibs,

08/01/2008 11:39:20
#187

love your quirky little comments sewer rat!!! were you picked on at school, lose all your dinner money??

that post was from a hearts fan just thought i'd bring it to you attention.....now don't be ashamed about being bullied, you can still grow a set of baws and sort out whats happening at gorgie, genuinely don't want to see you go bust
181

Jamtastik,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 12:14:07
Why do hibs fans bother posting on hearts articles...i for one dont care what happens to them & writing on their board is a waste of time.

#192 mixu...yeh & it was a point more than your 'boys' got.

You should be studying for your exams so you can get a proper job when you grow up...i mean you dont want to spend the rest of your life entertaining sailors...then again you probably do lol...

 

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