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Margo hails 'fantastic result' for Nationalists



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LABOUR has suffered major by-election shocks at the hands of the SNP before - some of them even bigger than the 22 per cent swing in Glasgow East.
Winnie Ewing recorded a massive 37.9 per cent swing against Labour when she won the Hamilton by-election in 1967 to put the SNP firmly on the Scottish political map.

Margo MacDonald achieved a 26.7 per cent swing when she took Glasgow Govan in 197
3, and when her husband Jim Sillars won the seat again in 1988, the swing was 33.1 per cent.

Today Ms MacDonald, now independent MSP for the Lothians, said Glasgow East was a "fantastic result" for the SNP. She said her 1973 victory was the first time the SNP had won a city seat.

"Govan showed that supposedly left-wing, working-class Labour-imbued Scotland was not impregnable. That was important for the SNP's self-confidence and credibility.

"It was very important in the politics of the time because, just like now, it was in the run-up to a general election so it primed the pump."

Ms MacDonald said Glasgow East confirmed Labour had lost its dominance in Scotland. "The SNP is popular. There has been a gradual realisation on the part of Scots that there is another political card they can play successfully."

Mr Salmond used the SNP's conference at Heriot-Watt university in April to set the party the target of 20 seats at the next Westminster election.

It is a tall order. The most seats the Nationalists have ever had before was their "football team" of 11 back in 1974, and with Scotland's representation at Westminster now reduced to 59, he's talking about the SNP winning more than a third of the constituencies.





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  • Last Updated: 25 July 2008 1:14 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

eddy barns,

25/07/2008 12:20:04
This was a protest against Labour more than an endorsement of Chancer Salmond.

The Nats are creaming themselves for now but there's plenty of time for them to mess up.
2

Brian M,

edinburgh 25/07/2008 12:23:40
Labour are desperate to believe that "This was a protest", deluded fools
3

FC Barcelona,

25/07/2008 12:25:39
left wing supporting the tiny minority over the huge majority which labour seems to think will somehow win them votes is not working !!
4

calum,

25/07/2008 12:30:49
Jumping back on the SNP bandwagon for a wee slice of glory for yourself, Margo? Bit late for that, isn't it?
5

Jed Smith,

Moscow 25/07/2008 12:36:05

Gordon Brown's going to "listen to people" and "get on with the job".

He's going to make a lot of weird faces and breathe like a goldfish too, I'll bet.
6

Andy Pandy,

25/07/2008 12:58:06
Margo?

Who are ya? Who are ya?
7

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25/07/2008 13:35:28
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 25/07/2008 13:57:44
why did liebour use margaret curran as a candidate,a monkey would have had more appeal,and would have been better looking,margret curran scares kids,but kids love monkeys
9

blackley,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 14:00:31
It's more about Labour's leaderless and rudderless presence in Scotland than anything.
10

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 14:16:55
Keep calm, Gnats. The voters in Glasgow East saw this as such a vital, watershed election that only two out of every five voters actually bothered to turn out. And even of that minority who voted, two out of every three voters opted for someone other than Alex's message boy. Winning the hearts and minds of a mere sixth of the voters is hardly a ringing endorsement for the Gnats, far less a declaration for Scottish independence.

Sure, Labour are deeply unpopular at present, and voters are making their displeasure felt. We know that. But when you look at last night's derisory Tory vote, plus the almost disappeared Lib Dem vote, you have a negative anti-Labour protest rather than a positive endorsement of the Gnats.

Last night was a chance to give Gordy a kicking and the voters took it. The next Westminster election will be a choice between Labour and letting the Tories back in, which is a whole different game.

King Smug and his apologists keep telling Scots - Goebbels-like - how popular his minority Government is, no doubt in the hope that spin becomes accepted fact. But in reality the Gnats in their first year, like the Bowie song, haven't done good things and haven't done bad things, they haven't done anything at all (though admittedly they have done it very well). With a single seat majority, they are effectively in office but not in power - just tinkering at the edges, steering a careful course between right and wrong. They won't get away with smoke and mirrors for a whole four years. Scots are not daft.

By-elections have been won and lost by bigger swings. They are nine day wonders. Another mouthy Gnat at Westminster spouting his anti-English mantras is pretty meaningless in the wider scale of things.

In short, small political earthquake. Not many dead.
11

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 14:26:28
Margo knows the score. They used to say, put a monkey up for election in certain seats in Scotland, and as long as it had a Labour rosette on, it would be elected. Not any more. People see very little difference these days between New Labour and Camerons' Tories and see the the SNP Government as a breath of fresh air and a chance for a better future in an Independent Scotland.
12

Hamish Scott,

25/07/2008 14:34:25
#10
You won't win voters back with such a delusional and nasty diatribe. People see Labour as corrupt careerists and the SNP as working for Scotland. The contrast is palpable and can't be glossed over by insulting rants.
13

Hamish Scott,

25/07/2008 14:36:54
"It is a tall order. The most seats the Nationalists have ever had before was their "football team" of 11 back in 1974, and with Scotland's representation at Westminster now reduced to 59, he's talking about the SNP winning more than a third of the constituencies."

When the SNP got 11 MPs in 1974 they got 30.4% of the Scottish vote. It's the 'first past the post' electoral system at Westminster that denied them the number of MPs that would have been a true and fair reflection of their support.
14

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 15:00:43
#12 - What, you mean nasty diatribes like the way you Gnats dismiss and abuse all who dare to disagree with their separatist orthodoxy as traitors to Scotland?

In Glasgow East, two thirds of the voters were so incensed at Labour careerism, and so appreciative of King Smug's first year achievements, that they didn't even bother to get out of bed. Of those who did bother, only 365 more voters opted for the Gnat than for your so-called careerist Labour.

There is no "palpable difference" as yet, only a media honeymoon and a false gloss. And that will wear off - smoke, mirrors and quietly abandoned Manifesto commitments won't survive a whole four years.

But do keep telling the non-SNP majority of Scottish voters how we see you lot as "a breath of fresh air". Maybe if you repeat the lie often enough it will become truth.

The Gnats have been in office for a year. Achievements to date can be listed as "keeping their noses clean and their heads down". They have capitalised on Labour's total disarray and denial rather than done anything positive on their own account.

About the only area in which Salmond has excelled has been spin, and certainly his talent and appetitite for self-promotion has been prodigious. Not to mention his appetite for Scotch pies.

Oh, and beware extrapolating by-election results to General elections. The Gnats have achieved bigger mid-term swings in the past. Far from being a springboard to greater success, the seats were all easily won back at the next General Election.
15

antifa,

25/07/2008 15:21:10
"There is no "palpable difference" as yet, only a media honeymoon and a false gloss. And that will wear off."

I wonder. Nationalism is a powerful tool for any politician. It has much more purchase among the masses than liberalism or socialism. We've known that since the First World War (and Stalin new it in the Second).

History is full of politicians who offer their electorates very little but manage to retain widespread popularity. Serbia's Milosevic and Croatia's Tudjman spring to mind but there are dozens of other examples.

Salmond, of course, is a sophisticated politician - and a genuine social democrat I think. His nationalism is largely benign. But policy-wise, he is offering very little different to Scottish Labour. On the future of education, health, infrastructure investment, outsiders would find it difficult to find much difference between the three largest parties.

All advocate a state-funded, state-delivered health service; an education system that is comprehensive and egalitarian; and private financing of public infrastructure as a means of avoiding Barnett constraints.

But Salmond is offering these same policies in the name of Scotland (and in the teeth of those nasty Brits) and that seems to count for something.


16

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 25/07/2008 15:58:39
Salmonds nationalism may be benign , but behind him lie the wild men , the vicious anti-English who are just waiting their moment . They will not drive me out of Scoatlin .
17

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 16:18:34
16# Voice of panic - Scoatlin ? Never heard of it.
18

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 16:57:49
10:

The fool returns i see with what is as usual a post with phrases gleaned from others and little insight.

What you fail to understand is that we are no longer in the politics of the 70s or 80s or even the 90s. The SNP are a creditable alternative in fact the ONLY alternative to a disgraceful Labour Party.

At the next election they will loose. Their leader will be replaced with an English MP who is not steeped in Scottish labour politics.

Labour will be sitting on the opposition benches for the next 8 and possibly 12 years and you think Labour in Scotland will sit benignly by while all this happens?

Just thing of the consequences on the electorate in Scotland and also on the Scottish Labour Party(if that is possible for you).

One last point. If you are so concerned with preserving the union i think you had better look at the comments boards on the Englsih broadsheets. You have some convincing of the English to do and your time would be better whining and whingeing there!

19

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 16:59:29
10:

As for smoke and mirrors the Labour Party have been doing that for years and having been caught for the corrupt and rotton institution that it is has nothing left to offer.
20

Jwil,

25/07/2008 17:18:29
It was a fantastic result, but it could have been an even bigger majority if 'papers such as this one had given a fair and honest critique and reportage of the SNP and not spun against them continuously in favour of the Labour Party. In spite of the bias of the Scottish media, (the suppression of information etc)the SNP won the seat. People have wised up to the lies that they are told in order to support a dishonest Labour party.
21

artemisclyde,

25/07/2008 17:22:12
16 - Absolute errant and paranoid rubbish.




22

lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/07/2008 17:25:43
Ahh! - another day comes and goes uneventfully . . . in Gordon Broons heid
23

artemisclyde,

25/07/2008 17:29:50
22 - he's listening though! He's telling us he's listening.

In fact, he said he's listening after two other by election results already and clearly he's not listening hard enough because he just lost his third.

The man is useless as a PM. Almost so bad, you start to feel sorry for him.

24

democracy,

Scottish Borders 26/07/2008 00:28:51
#10 Ghengis McCann,you are a total mindless Labour follower who knows zilch about politics.
SNP followers want success for their country and they understand that self serving,blood sucking little leeches like NEW Labour are NOT ever going to achieve it for us.
SNP followers simply want independence back again for their country, like any other NORMAL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.All
25

democracy,

Scottish Borders 26/07/2008 01:00:15
#10 Ghengis McCann,you are a total mindless Labour follower who knows zilch about politics.
SNP followers want success for their country and they understand that self serving,blood sucking little leeches like NEW Labour are NOT ever going to achieve it for us.
SNP followers simply want independence back again for their country, like any other NORMAL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. All the SNP are anti-to is Westmonster, NOT the English and all who are intelligent sensible people already know that!

But unfortunately someone like yourself who has absolute zero political acumen could never hope to grasp such fundimentals, you know, someone who blindly follows the Labour party, (who incidentally, I voted for in 1997 but by 1998 had already realised what a mistake I had made.)only because their daddy and grand daddy before him voted for them.
But apparently unaware that the NEW Labour party bears NO resemblance to the party your dad or grandpa voted for,when he told you that only the labour party could fight for the common worker, but that is when the root of the party was socialism but now is a totally basterdised form of its origins, the self serving neo-con version!! Wake up man!
26

donald,

glasgow 26/07/2008 09:25:50
Yeah. A protest AGAINST Unionist tory Labour.

Time for Margo to rejoin.

England expects every Labour traitor ot do their duty and collect their rewards.

 

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