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Fears for state of Princes Street as replacement for amusements can't be found



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Published Date: 08 October 2008
A CONTROVERSIAL amusement arcade is to remain on Princes Street after a new tenant could not be found.
Nobles Amusements, in the former American Express office, had put its lease on the market earlier this year, but six months later the "to let" signs have been taken down with no buyer in sight.

The introduction of fruit machines on the Capital's main shopping thoroughfare got the go-ahead from the then-Scottish Executive in 2004, despite the objections of the city council.

But property agents said the failure to find a new tenant is a sign of the undesirability of the west end of Princes Street – and another indication of how the tough economic environment is causing companies to stay put.

Tim Appleton, a director of retail at property firm CBRE, said: "That unit is not straightforward. It is not actually suited to a lot of retailers. That end of Princes Street is also not really where retailers want to be. With the St James Centre, St Andrew Square and The Walk, it is around the east end that retailers want to be.

"From the corner of Castle Street on, it's all tartan shops, and a lot of units are listed so it is difficult to make any changes."

Tom Buchanan, convener of the city council's economic development committee, denied the failure to secure a new tenant was a sign of decline on Princes Street.

He said: "It is disappointing they were unable to let the lease. I don't know whether it was that it was an exorbitant price or whether there were other reasons, but we have managed to attract retailers in other parts of the street.

"Princes Street seems to still be doing okay. It is continuing to hold up."

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "The east end of Princes Street has strengthened, while the west end has declined as a focal point for retail. This is partly due to the short-term effect of tram construction.

"As far as finding a new tenant right now, it is no surprise they have not found anyone, but in the longer term whoever does move there will be among the first to benefit from tram construction.

"We are in challenging times and some are being careful about where they invest. It is not surprising if they say, 'I want property on Princes Street but I will wait until the work is done'."

Andrew Bain, director of retail at Eric Young & Co, the agentsmarketing the Nobles property, confirmed it is no longer on the market and said Nobles was now deciding what to do with it.

He said: "There was interest but nothing that was ever concrete."

Nobody at Nobles Amusements was available to comment.


The full article contains 474 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

allknowing,

08/10/2008 11:45:49
" undesirability of the west end of Princes Street"

You mean the whole of Princes St. The place, for the last ten years has been going downhill.

If you want to ban cars and make it as hard as possible, fine. But dont expect drivers to put up with all the hassle when they can easily spend their cash at a place wheres its welcomed. Coupled with the trams works, is it any wonder?
2

mystic,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 11:49:45
#1 totally agree

I'm actually quite sad to see Princes St in such a state. So well done to the council and TIE.

www.seeingedinburgh.co.uk
3

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 11:56:24
I actually agree with #1. Scary as that is.
4

Jambo-ree,

08/10/2008 12:04:11
Sadly Princes Street is just one big mess nowadays. Was already before the tram works. Chewing gum all over the pavements, people sleeping rough, beggars, dirty puddles and cheap and nasty shops.

Never mind, it will be better when the trams are running, eh? ;o)
5

Old Cartha Boy,

08/10/2008 12:05:18
just waiting for TIE to claim this as further vindciation that the trams are good news for users of puggies!
6

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 12:07:09
Compare Princes Street with any of the major shopping streets in Glasgow, and it's scary.

While Glasgow has the Buchanan Galleries, designer outlets, and high-end retailers, Princes Street has puggies, Poundland and purveyors of cheap tartan tat.
7

Some guy,

08/10/2008 12:09:29
Yes really the fact that cars cant drive along princes street is the reason for it's decline. Just one question if stopping cars going along a street causes the decline like this then why is buchanan street so famous for shopping?

I agree it's doing worse than before but the reason i dont like going to princes street is because of the traffic that goes along it. The best days shopping i've ever had on princes street was last year when they closed it for the festival fireworks.
8

Bling Crosby,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 12:10:50
Princes Street has some good shops but on the whole it is a joke. Our smelly cousins over the M8 must be laughing at the state of our main street for shopping.

Near the West End there are 5 shops in a row which include FOUR tacky tartan shops and the Virgin / Zavvi store lying empty. It looks disgusting. How long is it before the empty Virgin Megastore is turned into a cheap offensive tacky tourist shop too? These shops are a disgrace.
9

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 12:11:51
#7

Maybe because Buchanan Street has excellent transport links (car, bus, train, underground) and a great big shopping centre at the top of it, with a massive indoor carpark?
10

allknowing,

08/10/2008 12:14:45
#7 who said anything about Princes St???

If someone from South/North/East/West Edinburgh can jump in car, drive for no more than 15mins, and be at the large shopping complex(Gyle,Ocean Terminal, Fort kinnaird/Straighton), with free parking, warm, dry and pleasant surroundings, with lots of shops and somewhere to eat, OR, drive for 20mins, getting caught up in tie/edinburgh council crazy road works, almost impossible to get parked near shops, and limited to buying just a handfull of things becuase you need to drag it around the pavements back to your car, what would you prefer???

People are voting with their feet (or should that be wallets) and going elsewhere, leaving princes st for junkies, neds, beggers, and people nipping into shops at lunch for a wee item. Hardly sustainable for a buisness is it?
11

Some guy,

08/10/2008 12:16:49
#9 We are supposed to have the best bus system in the country, its next to one of the biggest stations in the country, it's not that hard to get to the St James centre to park and people are complaining because edinburgh are trying a new Tram line which if successful could lead to a new tram network to improve transport links.
12

Linmal,

Livingston 08/10/2008 12:19:19
Princes Street used to be the jewel in the crown of Edinburgh. Not any more. But you can't just blame this Council. The decline of Princes Street has been ongoing since the early sixties when the then City Fathers allowed so-called modern buildings to be erected in place of the beautiful Georgian facades which were there. Add to that the excessive rents and rates and you have a sure fire recipe for disaster. Plus changing times. Princes Street was built before the car was even invented! It is sad to see but there you are.
13

Some guy,

08/10/2008 12:20:45
sorry for double posting but yeah #12 my point exactly. Ever since i moved here and had to start shopping here instead of glasgow i've maintained that the biggest improvement that could be made to edinburgh would be to try somehow to take all traffic off princes street.
14

john3,

08/10/2008 12:23:22
Time everyone read Paul Johnson's series from House of Dust. Equivalent to Orwell's 1984.
15

World class concrete,

08/10/2008 12:25:06
#13: that's the first time I've heard that Edinburgh is "trying a new tram line". Where do you get your information? I'm sure most people don't realise it's an experiment. And if it fails?
16

allknowing,

08/10/2008 12:27:02
#15
Ok, lets say that happened, so now all buses went via george st, and cars limited to queen st.

True, it would be very nice for people. All that room to walk around etc etc.

But in order to get to town in the first place, compared to a nice relaxing 15min jont to a large shopping centre with VERY EASY FREE parking at the door, its a no brainer!

Who wants to drive to the outskirts of Princes St having queued for ages due to roadworks and greenways, get to a car park, pay £5 to park, then hoof it up/along to princes st, while its raining/windy/snowing etc etc. And thats before your bogged down with all your shopping.

It may work in other, sunny, warm european cities, but this is scotland.Yes Glasgow has no cars, but it had LOADS of parking and good transport links.
17

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 12:31:04
#13

So why are the shops so rubbish then? Gotta be a reason, no?

For the capital's major shopping street to be populated by vacant stores (Zavvi), pound shops, amusement arcades, loud purveyors of tartan tat, and remendaired book-sellers is a disgrace that represents a clear failure on the part of Edinburgh City Council and their planning policies.
18

Mallory,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 12:32:02
Why the surprise. No nearby parking, no nearby tram stop planned. Roadworks never seem to stop.
19

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 12:32:08
Princes Street is nothing more than a linear bus depot nowadays. It's even got ticket machines down it's length!

However, don't worry, the trams will solve all those problems...
20

duelay no more,

perth 08/10/2008 12:32:41
Princes Street has been sliding sideways in tandem with the general values of the society which surrounds it. Its replica of almost every high street in the land, shoe shop. dress shop, shoe shop, handbag shop, burger bar, chain store, shoe shop, cashmere woolens, magazines and Chemist, more shoes etc...What used to be a really interesting mixture of shops and major department stores has been dummed down by policies and taxes to only those with a very high profit margin and sometimes tourist appeal, and sell only little things that you consume in place or can take away on a bus.

The locals shop where they can park nearby, put it in their car and drive home. Who hasn't run the gauntlet in George street's rat race for parking? "Organised chaos" is just to generous a description. Until there is a major improvement in a Park and Ride system, or better still more parking WHERE it is WANTED, the capital's main street will continue in this decline.

Our city planners really have done us proud, not.

If the council wants to ban the motor car from the centre, then get used to the idea that the shops will only cater for the footslogger /or tourist.

If I was a cynic I might say it was a long term plan to devalue the buildings which face our glorious castle so that more glass and concrete monstrosities can be tacked together for the sake of somebody's version of egalitarianism.

They'll ban horses and foxes from the city limits next.
21

elayne,

08/10/2008 12:40:45
princes st looks very shabby and pretty boring to be honest,the only decent shop is h and m!
22

donald,

glasgow 08/10/2008 12:42:04
I once took skuleweans frae Brigtoon camping in Glen Etive and the first thing they asked was, "Wherr's the amusements". The second thing they asked for was the chip shoap.
23

Some guy,

08/10/2008 12:44:19
#19,20 I agree with the paying for parking i do like Ocean Terminal being free. I also agree that when i go to the centre of any city to shop it's for easily hoofable things like clothes.

I've always maintained we they should follow Glasgow's model.
Princes Street should be pedestrianised, with Traffic along Queen St and George Street.
Part of the St James Centre redevelopment should have been large cheap (not free) parking and they should be looking to how they can fit something similar at the West End.
They should look to find a route to these car parks that can be set up that will give cars priority.
The buses should be looked so there's less duplicating of routes with preferably only 2 stops along George Street instead of the 10 or more we have on Princes Street.
The Tram Line they're building should be extended to include the Granton and RIE spurs.
In combination with Waverley station being there that would give good public transport links from all areas and have a route for cars to enter the city and park without getting help up in queues of buses.
24

Seb,

08/10/2008 12:47:05
I wonder who created this story? City Development have the block earmakred for a, wait for it, hotel!! And now that they control B Listed decisions they want to demolish substantial parts of it.

You read it here first.
25

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 12:47:08
#27

That's mince. Who sets the business rates? Who implements the planning and transport policies that make people unwilling to visit the city centre to shop?

The owners of the buildings will, in the current climate, take what they can get. Do you really think the owners of the former Virgin/Zavvi store want to leave it empty?
26

Howard Moon,

08/10/2008 12:50:54
Ah, the old 'it will all be worth it when the trams arrive' nonsense. No wonder the economy is in the state it's in if so called experts like Graham Birse believe a single line from newhaven to the airport will turn Princes Street into a 'world class' shopping destination.

People have become accustomed to a bus service which takes them from close to their home into town. A bus-tram combo isn't going to have them flocking to the city centre.
27

Noodle doodle,

08/10/2008 12:52:56
#12 every decent smaller shopping centre up and down the uk is pedestrianised too - my travels take me to lancaster, carlisle, chester, york - all old, space-constrained cities that have managed pedestrianisation well.


and #19, Vienna and Copenhagen are a damn sight colder than Edinburgh and guess what - their shopping districts are pedestrianised.
28

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 08/10/2008 12:53:17

What about the newsagent on Waverly steps - why did that go out of business? It can't have been for lack of custom given that they charged normal prices while WHSmith Waverley charges £70.00 for a bottle of juice.

29

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 13:00:28
The headline actually says it all - the reason Princes Street is in the state it's in is mainly due to place like Noble Amusements and all the other trashy shops which have infiltrated.
30

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 13:02:04
#30 - you can't blame the council for everything.

All the shops on Princes Street are privately owned.
And Princes Street has more buses per hour than enywhere else on the plantet. Probably.

So what so you suggest to improve access ? A motorway?
Silly man.
31

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 13:03:23
#28 talks sense, go read his view.
32

Jane Plane,

08/10/2008 13:06:29
The problem with Princes Street is that there are so many different problems that one solution wouldn't make it any better overnight. Its shabby, dirty, ugly and old fashioned so attracts the same in vendors and people. How do you resolve that when you have a mile of shops to consider ?
33

Some guy,

08/10/2008 13:11:14
#36 Thanks. It's actually the people on these forums that came up with those ideas i just collated the best ones that could work together. The problem is the Council is only really doing a small part of the Trams and none of the other suggestions. It's the old story, we need more major clothes retailers etc but they wont come in until the council massively rethinks their transport plans but the council won't go ahead and do all the required changes until at least some new retailers start to move in.
34

Journalistic licence,

The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg 08/10/2008 13:12:24
When was Princes Street declared a state? Is it a member of the EU and if so does it qualify for an urban development subsidy? Do you need a passport to enter it? Is it a tax haven? Does it have a reciprocal health service agreement with other EU countries? Does it have it's own Royal Family (apart from the princes)?
Questions questions.
35

Howard Moon,

08/10/2008 13:13:10
#36

A new St James Centre car park, post trams, and that's 'sense'? Do you know what they're about to do to Picardy Place?
36

E D Musem,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 13:34:05
#10

The Zeil in Frankfurt is not that good.
You have the Morrocan Drug Dealers at the Subway station.
About 50 shops selling chicken and chips.
You do still have someone playing the bagpipes

I suggest Princes St improvements are

1) Ban Bagpipes
2) Ban Beggars
3) Ban those charity worker people who want to accost you.
37

Some guy,

08/10/2008 13:34:17
#41 i meant that all those changes needed to be done together so building the car parks would be in conjunction with trying to find a route through the city using existing roads that can be prioritised for car use. People from outside the city wont use the Trams the trams only serve people living in the city. Also some people will always use their car no matter how good the public transport.
It's all about building multiple ways of accessing the area. Bus, Tram, Train and Car. Glasgow has an underground system with a stop on buchanan street, it also has a car park at the top of it. Loads of cities have car and public transport access.
38

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 08/10/2008 13:37:03

Princes Street is rubbish. Go to Leith Walk, where there's an eclectic range of retailers, prize fights, a crater, and a branch of Greggs the Bakers.
39

Skip McClendon,

08/10/2008 14:02:10
35 Road Raga,EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 13:02:04
#30 - you can't blame the council for everything.

- No, but I can blame them for the things that are their fault. Like business rates, planning and transport policies. Which, if you bothered to read my post, is what I did.

All the shops on Princes Street are privately owned.

- Where did I suggest that they weren't? Take your time. If you can't find an example, then just make something up like you usually do.

And Princes Street has more buses per hour than enywhere else on the plantet. Probably.

- Which would therefore suggest that the Council's transport policy is inhibiting trade. If Bus is the only option, people will stay away due to concern about carrying their purchases home. This is especially true if they happen to be buying a pram.

So what so you suggest to improve access ? A motorway?

- Erm, no. Where did I suggest that? Again, take time, make stuff up, etc.
40

scotsol,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 14:02:57
People with taste don't go to out of town malls. Look at George Street, it's really vibrant and loads better than Princes Street. What wrecks Princes Street is the awful sixties architecture and the dreary chain stores. Demolish the first and close the second, and it'll revive. And why are there no pavement cafes in summer?
41

Brian Hill,

08/10/2008 14:09:46
Pathetic.

Can't imagine there will be too many AMUSEMENT ARCADES in any of Oslo's main shopping areas.

Perhaps the SNP could provide us with photographs and or video footage of Oslo to show us what an Oil rich country produces for its people.

I say SNP because we would wait until hell freezes over before our Unionist media does this for us.
42

Statsman,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 14:13:42
46 scotsol

You have to be in PR using words like 'vibrant'.
43

Statsman,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 14:17:50
Parking in the City Centre is a joke. If you use the on street parking it is expensive. Then you have to worry about all those wardens trying to slap a ticket on your car if you get held up for a microsecond.

Plus you have TIE making a mess of the city centre causing huge disruption. Too much stress.

Best head out of town.
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08/10/2008 14:20:18
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Phil MaGlass,

Holland 08/10/2008 14:42:06
PRINCES STREET + ROYAL MILE Edinburghs other shame,it has been said for years that Edinburghs main streets are becoming an eyesore and absolutely nothing has been done about it, well done Edinburgh Council.
Huv tae say I love Glasgow for buying clothes and going out(Glasgow IS actually MILES BETTER),thoroughly recommend it
46

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 14:58:14
Princess Street and the Royal Mile are just posh names for gravel tat market stalls.

Time the lot were tufted out. I'd rather see empty shops than all the fake rubbish shops we have at moment even one pertaining to sell genuine scottish golf memorabelia - what a load of tosh.

As #6 summed it up nicely - shop in Glasgow.

Why we allowed it to happen heaven knows.
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 14:58:15
Princess Street and the Royal Mile are just posh names for gravel tat market stalls.

Time the lot were tufted out. I'd rather see empty shops than all the fake rubbish shops we have at moment even one pertaining to sell genuine scottish golf memorabelia - what a load of tosh.

As #6 summed it up nicely - shop in Glasgow.

Why we allowed it to happen heaven knows.
48

Gaudd,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 15:15:06
"Tom Buchanan, convener of the city council's economic development committee, denied the failure to secure a new tenant was a sign of decline on Princes Street."

Has Tom ventured onto Princes Street lately? The terrible disease, Tartan Tat, is sweeping the place. Standing this morning waiting on the 33 outside the hunched mass of Tartan Tat shops at the west end of Princes Street I was deafened by the horrendous racket coming from several of these shops, that Scottish Pride junk shop being the worst offender. How can these pits get away with placing speakers outside their middens and turning the volume up to Spinal Tap 11? When three of these places are all blasting out together (and with different tracks) the result is nothing but aggressive noise pollution.

Welcome to Princes Street.

The High Street was cleared due to excessive rates demands and Gold Brothers Tat Emporium allowed to take over, the same seems to be happening on Princes Street.
49

World class concrete,

08/10/2008 15:22:37
Rumour is that Primark will be opening in the old M&S ladieswear store in a few months. It might not be a high class store, but it's better than tartan tat and it'll certainly attract plenty of shoppers.
50

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 15:30:40
Instead of you lot just moaning, howabout some constructive suggestions ?
The council can't dictate who sells what shop to whom etc that is entirely outwith their remit.
I would rather shop in Princes Street anyday, than Livingston !
51

Concerned of Leith,

08/10/2008 15:46:32
You do realise that when those shiny new trams start running there will only be ONE stop on Princes Street...
52

Alasdair,

08/10/2008 15:57:57
Guys, guys, guys.. pedestrianising Princes Street is a daft idea.
I like a nice pedestrianised area as much as anyone, and yes, I agree that Glasgow's Buchanan Street is a good example of that done well, but it works there because the pedestianisation allows shoppers to meander from one side of the road to the other. That's the whole point.
Why would they wander from side to side on Princes Street? Only one side has shops!

If anything, what we should do is make Princes Street the transport corridor, and pedestrianise George Street. Make George Street the focus for high-end shops.

Anyway, this is all academic - we're not going to push/challenge as a shopping destination in the same way Glasgow does. Their city centre is vastly bigger, and they had a few big gap-sites available which they filled with those shopping centres. They also have a population of over one and a half million in the city and its surrounding towns to support those shops.
We're very constrained by what is already built in Edinburgh centre (much of which is very beautiful, I think it's worth remembering), and there isn't a load of other towns that treat us as the local centre.

We need an original approach that suits just us.
53

Decent,

08/10/2008 16:00:36
Joe - only £70 for a can of juice? You should try Ocean Terminal - it's £75.00 for a coffee but you can get a coffee and a scone for £100.
54

PaulB,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 16:19:09
If you remember, the council refused the amusement arcade planning permission. They appealed to the Scottish Government who upheld their complaint and the arcade opened. The council were against it but it was approved by the Government instead - don't blam ethe council for that one. Having said that, Princes Street really needs improved - the quality of the pavements, and the shops is terrible - Much as I hate to say it, Glasgow's shopping is miles better - just compare Buchanan Street with princes Street - they don't have our view, but they have a decent streetscape and great shops. No cracked paving stones or puddles every 20 feet!
55

PaulB,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 16:23:33
As for constructive suggestions - ban all buses from Princes Street once trams are running. Rebuild the pavements in a high quality stone - install new street lighting - allow cafes and restaurants to have tables and chairs - less shops but a more civilised atmosphere. And ban the loud music from all the tartan tat shops.
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Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 16:37:51
Just back from Palma, Mallorca, where city-centre parking is a pleasure in the superb underground car parks. Why are Edinburgh's car parks above ground.
And why don't we have underpasses cutting out the need for traffic lights at busy junctions. Wouldn't it be great if Hanover Street and Frederick Street traffic passed under George Street, for example?
It's not as though we have a metro system to contend with, and we are quite prepared to move undergound services to accommodate the tram line.
57

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 16:45:26
#58 you are so so right.

They seem to get away with murder and they are so rude to people.
58

blackley,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 16:56:40
How about opening a branch of National Savings and Investments there? A high profile site for a fast-growing business.
59

Logie Almond,

08/10/2008 17:10:28
far be it for me to defend the council but they don't own a single shop on Princes Street so they have no control over rents.Nor nowadays does the counil set business rates, which areuniform across Scotland if not the UK. And while I agree about the mistakes of the sixties, there were not many Georgian facades left even before then as the Victorians and Edwardians were quite good at tearing Princes Street down (and erecting some monstrosities of their own.
60

Bob 2,

08/10/2008 17:18:11
Tom Buchanan, convener of the city council's economic development committee, denied the failure to secure a new tenant was a sign of decline on Princes Street

Beam me up Scotty, where has he been for the last 10 plus years.

Princes Street is already there, tatty shops, burgers and Mobile Phones, there was a pound shop at one point? is it still there.
61

11+failed,

the pans 08/10/2008 17:33:26
You struggle to buy a decent house and a car then life's failures with nothing to do and plenty of time to moan want you back sharing the smelly bus with them. As for Princes Street I haven't seen it for 4 years and have no intention of changing from out of town shopping or the internet. It is nice to go to a big city at Christmas and Glasgow fits the bill admirably.
62

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 08/10/2008 18:16:38

Ah, the smelly bus. You high rollers from "The Pans" only travel by BMW, eh.

Either that or you've got your nose too close to your gravy stained string vest.
63

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/10/2008 19:52:05
For those avid followers of A Familiy At War, as previewed to much critical acclaim in last nights EN, Irvine Welch (that well known Hibee supporter) has brought out an updated version. Follow the trials & tribulations of Arntie Ann & her niece, Carla as they fight over who had & who gave who STD & who knows. Volumes 1-3 of the synopsis out now in all good drugstores.
64

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/10/2008 19:59:24
we are not amused
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The Geniune Mario Antionette,

08/10/2008 20:01:18
#72 - he's been nursing his dead mother
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 08/10/2008 21:03:35
The West End is the university end, and hence the "hip and hot" end for young people and students. If no Scot has the imagination to open a going concern there other than an amusement arcade, then God help us (and I am an atheist). I can think of several possibilities straight away. The east end, with the St James Centre and all those posh shops between there & St Andrews Square, is the upmarket retail end - perhaps too upmarket judging by the trickle of shoppers entering the Centre. So it's pointless trying to open a shop like that in the west end. But there's still lots of money to be made in the west end - it's just a question of adapting to the market. Look at all the people going down there past the newspaper museum towards the university, and you'll get the right idea.
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Jimmy B'Umlove,

East End (Boys) 08/10/2008 21:41:05
Let's face it Princey Street is a hole! Ooooh!
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Jayycobb,

Melbourne, Australia 09/10/2008 00:34:08
I'm an Edinburgh boy now living in Oz. I was last in Edinburgh in August and felt sick to my stomach at the state of Princes Street and the roads due to the trams. It's a beautiful city and even thought I choose to live here I still love and miss my hometown.
It needs sorted
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Western Gael,

09/10/2008 02:50:42
Who goes to Princes Street? Why would anyone from Edinburgh and the local villages bother? The problem is an identity crisis. Who do the merchants on Princes Street see as their clientele? Tartan tat tourists? Year around residents? Folk looking for a basic High Street? People lost on the way to the Royal Mile? Until there is some basic, collaborative market research done on who actually patronizes the shops there, the way to disarray and decline of Princes Street is clear to anyone who walks there on the way to better shopping.
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Marga,

Fife 09/10/2008 08:46:09
78 - Caora Dubh
West End - the Usher Hall, theatres, galleries, the film house - culture, another slant on key areas that could be a core for decent development. I personally think that the idea of a "youth playground" might be too divisive of the street.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 09:10:31
The council have said for years they are committed to upgrading Princes St. However, who will take space there when the tram debacle has hit parking and traffic there so much?
73

Alasdair,

09/10/2008 09:10:51
#78, Caora Dubh - none of the universities are anywhere near the West End. What are you talking about?
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steve52,

Kinfauns 09/10/2008 09:27:02
Princess street is a midden. In fact Edinburgh is a midden, litter everywhere, pot holed streets and crappy shops.

I walked along P. Street a month ago for the first time in 20 years it will be 20 years before I am back.
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World class concrete,

09/10/2008 09:34:28
#78 Caora Dubh: how do you come to the conclusion that the west end is the university end? It's nowhere near any universities. Then you talk about a "trickle" of people going into what you say is an overly upmarket St James Centre, and yet anyone who knows that Centre would be aware that it's distinctly mid-market and very well used and considerably more than a "trickle" of people go into it. And then you go on to say about the west end, "Look at all the people going down there past the newspaper museum towards the university ...". What newspaper museum? And no one goes "down there" towards any university because there isn't one there! Are you even talking about Edinburgh or some other city?
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mystic,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 09:47:02
#86

20 years living in Edinburgh and not visited Princes street? Thats some record! Well done

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
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Swordsman,

Dublin 09/10/2008 10:57:27
Rather than hitting Princes St,can I suggest a wee trip to Dublin's fair city? A Ryanair flight will cost you less than a taxi into Embra and the shops,bars and restaurants are top notch...
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bluehead,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 10:57:54
fears for prices street is putting it mildly,the fears should be for the whole of Edinburgh which is fast turning into a concrete shanty town,what a mess the place is in,to think Edinburgh was once a lovely place ,now it is just a dump!!!!!!!!!!!
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munchkinbanana,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:44:56
I rarely take my car into Princes Street, taking the train instead, but i never shop there! Why would i? I live 5 mins from Fort Kinnaird, 15 from Ocean Terminal and Straiton and about 20/25 from the Gyle! They have a great range of shops that i want to buy from, unlike Princes Street. I dont want cheap tartan tat and i doubt if all the tourist do either and so it beggars the question how they all manage to survive! I dont want cheap leather jackets, i have a mobile phone thank you and enough books, bargain or otherwise. Other than Jenners, why would i shop in Princes Street!?

 

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