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Parents battle council after twins refused school places



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Published Date: 27 August 2008
THE parents of four-year-old twins are caught up in a legal battle with council bosses after their children were refused places at a nearby primary school.
Keith and Sarah Devine took their local authority to court after the twins were refused a place in Primary 1 at Stoneyhill Primary School in Musselburgh, despite the school being just a short walk from the family home.

Officials at East Lothian Co
uncil told the family that the youngsters would instead have to travel to Musselburgh Burgh Primary School, which is a 40-minute walk away.

Earlier this month, a sheriff found in favour of the parents, dismissing the council's argument that awarding the children places at their favoured school would require an additional teacher to be hired. But council chiefs refused to accept the decision and at the weekend moved to block the legal ruling.

A spokeswoman for East Lothian Council said the authority had taken out an interdict demanding a review of the sheriff's ruling.

"The ruling has been suspended on an interim basis until a hearing on September 9. The children can attend Musselburgh Burgh Primary School until a decision is reached."

Eric Scott, the couple's solicitor, branded the council's move "appalling" and said the couple planned to continue with their fight. He said: "The children already have an association with Stoneyhill through the nursery. Having won their case in court, the council should have the grace to place them in that school. There's no legal reason why they can't have more than 25 children in a class."

Mrs and Mrs Devine live in the town's Ferguson Drive, just a short walk from Stoneyhill Primary School. But their home is in the catchment area for Burgh Primary School.

In his written judgement, Sheriff Alan Miller said travelling to Burgh Primary School would involve a 40-minute walk for the family along busy roads.

Eleven children were on a waiting list for primary one at the school, with the twins ninth and tenth on the list.

The council had allocated 22 places in the class, allowing them to keep three reserved places. Two further children had been placed in the class as a result of appeal committee decisions, but a number of other parents had made unsuccessful placing requests.

Tina Woolnough, of campaign group Parents in Partnership, said the sheriff's decision had "serious implications" for Scottish schools.

"I'm very surprised at the sheriff's decision because this could cause pandemonium in terms of the precedent it will set.

"Usually parents do not win appeals. I would think local authorities will be very worried about the precedent."





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  • Last Updated: 27 August 2008 10:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Schools in Edinburgh
 
1

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 27/08/2008 12:38:35
Quite a biased or ill-researched bit of journalism?Stoneyhill Primary is for me (an adult), a good 20 minute walk from Ferguson Drive. So 'short walk' vs '40 minute journey' is just the journalist trying to back the parents, rather than report the facts.

Both schools are also on the number 30 bus route if the parents are concerned about the road safety angle.
2

Dorian,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 12:46:20
"There's no legal reason why they can't have more than 25 children in a class."

So parents only want smaller class sizes when it suits them and it is OK to increase the class size if it is convenient for them then?
3

jenny,

musselburgh 27/08/2008 12:51:15
It would be possible to access the Burgh School by cycling or walking down Ferguson Drive to the River Esk, crossing by the Jooglie Bridge, and following the River Esk Walkway down to Musselburgh and thence to the Burgh School - probably not more than 20 - 25 minutes and since the Walkway has been tarmacked, you wouldn't even get your feet muddy! To my mind, this would be really pleasant and happy start to the day and probably much safer than any road!
4

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 13:11:23
No. 1 - I would imagine it would be a 40 minute walk with 2 small children, like you said you are an adult.

No. 3 - would you cycle with 2 small kids who have just started school - probably not. I wouldn't think the parents would see it as a "really pleasant and happy start to the day".
5

aurorablue,

27/08/2008 13:18:13
Maybe it's time the catchment boundaries were reviewed
6

G fae Mussbra,

Mussbra 27/08/2008 13:37:09
I've gone through a similar experience with my twins in the same town. I'm 5-10 mins walk from our local school, but a lot further from the Burgh. They too were at the school nursery, but told that they would have to go else where for p1. On the council form, it asks for details such as locality, safest routes, closest routes etc, and we filled all this in, to no avail. (We only cross 2 roads at present, whereas to go to the Burgh is a lot longer and more crossings etc - PLEASE don't offer me guidance on how to walk around my own town thanks...) We appealed (NOT requiring a lawyer), and had the decision before they started p1, so we were lucky.
I agree that the boundaries have to be looked at.
Maybe if the council looked at physical aspects of buildings such as size and scope for extension, cash for books etc instead of pushing foward eco friendly and enterprise initiatives at the cost of timetables being continually changed so the basics are being rushed and not properly taught. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for enterprise and eco stuff, but not at the cost of being able to read and write and work out the cost of two packets of Gogo's and a lollipop. (£2.03)

Maybe Tesco could get involved, instead of using vouchers to raise funds for pcs, how about vouchers to put towards the cost of a solicitor?

ps I've seen how the education system works from the inside, I'm not just a concerned parent, I've been involved in the system. Its frustrating for the teachers and assistants too.
7

Bill MacD,

27/08/2008 13:52:38
Parent 'choice' is a disaster. Kids should go to their local school. Full stop.

Has anyone calculated the massive costs in terms of traffic congestion and pollution due to all the child-abusing terror-filled mummies who won't let their precious little darlings exercise their scrawny legs and so force them to become podgy little fatsos who will exist miserably and die early instead? Just a thought.
8

Kate,

Zurich 27/08/2008 15:17:07
This is pathetic! The parents should be allowed to send their children to the closer school. When we moved from Ferryden to Dun, we were actually invited to remain on the Ferryden roster - that was however a while ago...:)
9

Couch Correspondent,

walking home from the school run 27/08/2008 15:56:29
At last - parents who are prepared to challenge the council. I have been waiting for this - our school intake has been capped in recent years even though we wouldn't need an extra teacher for everyone who aplied - it's just the council trying to save money.

Good luck on 9th September!
10

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 27/08/2008 16:26:13
#7
And how would that system evolve?

That would just cause parents would outbid each other in house prices to get inside the catchment area of their nearest school, until the catchment zones become so small that every house had a family in it. You would then have a non-catchment area zone between these that would be left to the least popular school.

You see this in England - where the catchment area is less than 300 yards in radius, and the councils resort to lottery tickets for places.

11

jenny,

somewhere near Musselburgh 27/08/2008 16:31:03
Agree with Bill MacD No.7 parental choice is a big mistake and makes planning a total nightmare for councils. And, it certainly adds to traffic congestion, pollution etc. as parents bus their children round the county in their second best 4 x 4s. All children should go to their local neighbourhood school which should be within reasonable safe walking/cycling distance. And in case you wonder if I know what I am talking about, our 4 children walked to the Burgh and then walked to the Grammar!
12

alex paterson,

edinburgh 27/08/2008 16:31:44
To reduce class sizes is fair enough but this is crazy.
13

Pond Hall,

27/08/2008 17:22:09
is there two ferguson drives in Musselburgh

If there isn't, this article is MISLEADING and is a being a bit flexibly with the truth.

According to Google maps

the Distant from Ferguson drive to both these schools is approx 1.5 miles.

Not a Short walk, but definitely not 40mins

Who is telling the truth?

Can anyone advise is the article is misleading us?
14

Kitti Kat,

27/08/2008 17:24:01
I will never understand the logic of having to get a "placement" at a school. Where I live, kids go to the neighborhood school or if parents have bucks, to a private school. Seems silly to me that a 40 minute If it's 20 minutes for an adult, it has to be a t least 40 for a child. Even 20 minutes for a 4 year old is far too long. Where are school busses for kids who are forced to attend schools that are not in their neighborhood? For the amount of taxes you pay, kids should be going to their neighborhood schools.
15

Kitti Kat,

27/08/2008 17:27:22
really goofed on typing! I should have said that if it takes 40 minutes for an adult to walk a distance it will probably take a child at least 40 minutes to walk the same distance. Still too much for a small child to walk. Send ALL kids to NEIGHBORHOOD schools.
16

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

27/08/2008 19:19:52
The Sheriff's judgement is sound
17

Paulie9,

Musselburgh 27/08/2008 19:29:01
Why dies this report not state what everyone in Musselburgh knows - that Stoneyhill is a better school than Burgh and this is why the parents want them in Stoneyhill - in other words nothing to do with the so-called 40 minute walk. What about the 8 other children placed higher on the waiting list? What about the poor teacher who'd be asked to teach an over-subscribed class - going against their union's guidelines and the Scottish Government's guidelines. Come on Chris, either do your research properly or present a balanced report. This is all about who shout's loudest gets a spot in the News to vent their case.
18

Exploding Vicar,

Musselburgh 27/08/2008 19:30:46
As 16 suggests, the Sheriff's judgement is sound.
The reasoning in the case revolved around the 25 pupil limit. Pupils placed in the school as the result of appeal do not count towards the 25 pupil limit. By the time the limit becomes more rigid in P2, it rises to 30.
It seems not to suit the council to accept a perfectly reasonable decision.
19

simply exploding,

Musselburgh 27/08/2008 20:34:46
What does Paulie9 (17) truly know about the Burgh? Probably not wise to start battles between the schools. The sheriff's judgement should be final. Good luck to them.
20

Bravetart,

27/08/2008 23:19:44
I think councils enjoy doing this to parents of twins.

When my two were about to start nursery they were given places not at the school 10 minutes from our house, but two *different* schools and one was given a morning slot, the other an afternoon slot.

They ended up, after a bit of gentle persuasion from me to pupil placement, at a really good nursery and then to the really good primary attached.

All parents want is to send their child to a decent school where they won't end up being sucked dry of any ambition.
21

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/08/2008 00:17:33
Giraffe,

I think you're getting slightly confused. He didn't dispute it would be a 40 minute walk. He said it would be a 20 minute walk to the closer school. So, from what you said it bolster his case even further because, as you said, it would take longer with children. So the 20 minutes would be maybe 25 or 30 with children.
22

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/08/2008 00:38:13
According to Google map it takes 28 mins to walk to Musselburgh primary school and 29 minutes to walk to stoneyhill primary school.

So, unless someone can produce a different route then this sounds like parents inventing reasons to try and get their kids into a better school.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-emea-uk-goog-gm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term=google%20map
23

TheSmith,

28/08/2008 10:49:04
Surely when they moved to their house, they would have researched the local school catchment areas?
24

K :-),

Musselburgh - Stoneyhill Catchment 29/08/2008 12:22:14
I am glad to see this family challenging the council. When I moved into the Stoneyhill catchment area in 2000 my youngest daughter (age 6) got a place at Stoneyhill while my older daughter (age 9) did not! She had to attend another school. This made taking and picking up the girls from school time and logistically impossible for 1 parent!!! Thank god for good family and friends!
Oh, incidentally, my oldest is now at High School where pupils in their 'higher' year are having to drop vital subjects such as English (and others)due to oversubscribed classes!

 

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